Casual Chat Chess

PhiNotPi

19:15

0. Initial Configuration
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w | w.| w | w.| w | w.|

Any suggestions for what opening we should aim for?

Geobits

Nah. I was just curious about the room. Didn't know it was brand new. I may look in from time to time, but I'm not a good enough player (or dedicated enough) to know the names of most openings anyway.

PhiNotPi

I'm not really an expert either, I just made this because I think it'll be cool.

El'endia Starman

1. e4
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w | w.|   | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman The blandness is overwhelming.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's my preferred opening move. :P

PhiNotPi

19:31

1... c5
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b | b.| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w | w.|   | w.| w | w.|

I don't actually know how to play the Sicilian.

Geobits

You don't want to when death is on the line anyway.

El'endia Starman

19:47

@PhiNotPi I actually learned how several weeks ago. Basically, you move the king knight's pawn up one space, move the bishop onto the long diagonal, move the knight towards the center, and castle.

2. d4
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b | b.| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   | w.| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

room topic changed to Casual Chat Chess: A free-for-all chess game. Rules: (1) Post an updated board when you submit a move. (2) You can switch sides, but you can't play both halves of a single turn. (3) Feel free to discuss past/future moves. (4) No takesies-backsies. (5) You can use external resources, like opening books, but don't use chess engines/AIs. (no tags)

I think it's a good idea to keep this room bot-free until the need arises.

@El'endiaStarman I think you moved a piece incorrectly. (post a corrected version)

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi Whoops! Fixed.

PhiNotPi

2... e6
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b |  .| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   | b.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   | w.| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

El'endia Starman

20:03

3. Pxc5
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |bB.|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b |  .| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   | w.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

PhiNotPi

3... Bxc5
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b |  .| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   |bB.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

El'endia Starman

4. Be3
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.| b |  .| b |  .| b | b.| b |
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6 |   |  .|   |  .| b |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   |bB.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |wB.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

I wonder how many humans working together it would take to beat the top computer chess players.

Geobits

Would a bunch of humans together be better or worse than the single best human?

El'endia Starman

Well, they'd have to have some knowledge and competence at chess, of course.

Geobits

lol I assumed that

Conor O'Brien

20:16

maybe voting one move, right?

Geobits

It might be hard for a group humans to objectively score different moves, unlike a computer with a scoring function. I don't know whether that would be a hindrance or a good thing.

El'endia Starman

Well, humans do tend to be more efficient at evaluating better moves first (or, at least, they were), so I figured that multiple humans might be able to out-strategize a single computer.

I suppose one would also have to put a time/memory limitation on the computer and no such limit, or a much higher limit, on the humans.

Geobits

I think one problem is finding the appropriate group size. Humans do all right with distributed computing, but only to a point ;)

El'endia Starman

Haha, yeah. At some point, a government would have to be instituted, and at that point, you've definitely lost. :P

Conor O'Brien

Chess news: Government versus top chess player!

El'endia Starman

20:32

Anyway...would anyone other than Phi like to make the next move? :P

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

21:01

Has there been any issues with move trolls?

PhiNotPi

@RohanJhunjhunwala this game literally just started

Conor O'Brien

@El'endiaStarman whose turn is it? and I don't know chess notation

El'endia Starman

@ConorO'Brien It's black's fourth turn.

Most moves can be written like /[KQRNP]x?[a-h][1-8]/. When it's a pawn, you don't have to include the P, and when there are two possible pieces to move, then you stick its starting board coordinate in between the piece type and ending coordinate.

Conor O'Brien

when does x occur?

El'endia Starman

Oh, you put an x when you capture a piece.

Conor O'Brien

21:12

oh, cool

So I write 4...?

El'endia Starman

Oh, also, O-O is king's side castling and O-O-O is queen's side castling.

Yeah. 4... <whatever>.

Conor O'Brien

so moving a front-row pawn to location X, I just write X?

El'endia Starman

Yeah. Doesn't have to be a front-row pawn either. If you only write an ending coordinate, it's assumed that you moved a pawn.

Conor O'Brien

oh, cool

4... b6
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.|   |  .| b |  .| b | b.| b |
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6 |   | b.|   |  .| b |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   |bB.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|   |wB.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

El'endia Starman

Oooh, nice. Not a defense I would've expected, but it works.

Conor O'Brien

21:17

I'm not too good at chess, but I'm better than anyone I know irl who cares to play with me, so there's that :P

El'endia Starman

That's fine, I'm in much the same situation. :P

5. Bd3
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8 |bR |bN.|bB |bQ.|bK |  .|bN |bR.|
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7 | b.|   |  .| b |  .| b | b.| b |
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6 |   | b.|   |  .| b |  .|   |  .|
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5 |  .|   |bB.|   |  .|   |  .|   |
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4 |   |  .|   |  .| w |  .|   |  .|
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3 |  .|   |  .|wB |wB.|   |  .|   |
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2 | w | w.| w |  .|   | w.| w | w.|

Hmm, I probably should've done Bc4 instead. If black then did ...b5 to threaten, white could have taken it with no risk since none of black's pieces attack that square. White would also have had a better range and set of options with that bishop.

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