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02:12
Hello! I was checking this question math.stackexchange.com/questions/333625/… and in the proof of the second argument (2) I think the accepted answer uses (1) to prove x+b=b. Am I missing smt ?
I mean its x + b = (a.(b.c)) + b = (a.(b.c)) + (a.b+a'.b) and then I think the answer uses (a.(b.c))+(a.b+a'.b) = (a.(b.c)+a.b) + a.b to go to (a.(b.c+b))+a.b, no ?
 
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13:01
@user21820 if we have defined irrationality as the negation of rationality or connectedness as a negation of disconnectedness is the only way to prove such things (that the number is irrational or that the set is connected) via a proof by negation: A, contradiction => not A?
13:42
@giannisl9 Yes it uses (1), but I don't see a problem with that, so I don't really see why you say "you should not use (1)".
But certainly, as you said, you can invoke duality or just mechanically translate the proof for (1) to a proof for (2) via duality.
@famesyasd It depends on what really you mean by "by contradiction" and "only way". If your foundational system is intuitionistic, "irrational" is just "¬rational", and proving something is irrational simply involves ¬intro. No ¬¬elim is needed in that last step. If your foundational system is 3-valued, and you don't even have LEM for ∃ ranging over N, then it's possible that you cannot conclude that every real is either rational or irrational, and even ¬intro won't be allowed.
Specifically, if you prove "if r is rational: contradiction." in 3-valued logic, but "r is rational" is not known to be boolean (either true or false), then you cannot even conclude "r is not rational". But once you accept/believe that rationality is boolean for every real, then you basically have classical logic for rationality.
14:40
@user21820 I mean (1) is the associativity law for the + and (2) for the . so, they are the same thing but for another operator. That is why I think that if you want to use (1) to prove (2), just state the duality, if not don't use it at all, prove them separately.
@giannisl9 No. There is nothing wrong with using (1) to prove (2) in the way the other answer did. Whether it is long or inelegant is irrelevant.
 
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18:03
@famesyasd Sorry I realize I misread your "by negation" as "by contradiction". Lol.
So yes, by negation is essentially the only way.
even in classical logic, not only in intuitionistic?
In some sense yes. I'll go into more detail tomorrow. Now I need to go.

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