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user131753
13:58
Recently I was going through this question and honestly I didn't get what this answer is trying to say.
user131753
Assuming we are talking about First Order Logic, I don't even understand why $P=Q$ is a formula at all. It is because so far as I can say $=$ is a binary predicate (assuming of course that we are using $=$ in the 'standard' way) $P=Q$ will be a well-formed formula iff $P$ and $Q$ are terms and not propositions (which I assume to be a synonym for "sentences" in FOL).
user131753
So, I think that the expression is not an well formed formula (it may be "ill-conceived" but since I am not sure what OP means by it, I am not going to say anything about it). What do you think @user21820?
14:30
@user170039: I don't agree with that answer.
From my point of view, it is flatly wrong.
Just because modern logicians have chosen to use a certain convention does not make it a necessity.
What you say is correct of course, but not relevant to the question, which is about the reason behind the design decisions of formal systems.
> Why is it that a conditional (or biconditional) sign is used instead to show a relation between propositions.
> any insight into the philosophy guiding the semantics of logical languages would be appreciated.
In other words, it is a question in NL (natural language). So the answer you linked to is wrong, while Rob's is both technically correct and also correct in practice. Most modern mainstream programming languages use the same equality for both booleans as well as other objects!
14:44
@user170039: There is however a good reason to treat propositions as strings separately from their truth values, namely when the logic is not classical. But similarly one has to think carefully what one means by "t=u" where "t" and "u" are terms. If the logic is not classical, this too is in general no different from a judgement about two terms (which are strings). If we favour using "=" here, it is because of pragmatic reasons and not because it has got to do with the strings being equal.
15:38
@user170039: Lol I didn't see what you wrote.
Did you want to say anything?
user131753
What I said was in response to the question asked in the title. I don't understand why you said that it is "not relevant to the question". Can you clarify?
user131753
Are you there @user21820?
@user170039: Yup I just got your message.
I was trying to say that the question (even the one in the title) was about why we choose certain syntax.
Not about how it is in some particular textbook's definition of first-order logic.
In most textbooks, your answer is certainly correct, because simply by fiat the system is defined so that "t = u" is only meaningful when "t" and "u" are terms.
But precisely, it is by fiat, and that question is clearly (to me at least) asking about the reason for the fiat.
user131753
Oh. I see now. Thanks.
Yea.. it's not really important whether you understood the question or the answer, nor whether you agree with me. Haha!
Unless you're interested in the philosophy of mathematics or something like that.
user131753
15:54
Actually I interpreted the term "In logic" as in "In the syntax of (possibly first order) logic". I see now where I was wrong.
Ah.
No wonder.
user131753
By the way, can we discuss philosophy of mathematics in this room also?
Sure
I actually am very interested in discussing and finding out what other people think.
But few people on Math SE want to talk philosophy of mathematics. =(
Do you have any particular questions in mind?
user131753
Yes. I too find that disturbing. So, I registered in Philosophy Stack Exchange also to ask what I consider to be more philosophical questions.
Haha! I recommend you don't bother with Philosophy SE, because almost all of them (except perhaps Cort Ammon and Mauro Allegranza) do not know enough logic to be able to give a correct answer for deeper questions!
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(at least as far as I can recall among those who answer frequently)
user131753
16:01
It's not only logic that I am interested in (although it is my principle interest). I am also interested in different schools of philosophy of mathematics, e.g., formalism, platonism, nominalism, intuitionism etc.
Ah I see.
Well I'm a realist, so I'm always looking to see how various formal systems capture or do not capture real world phenomena.
user131753
Anyway, I need to go now. See you soon.
Sure.
Talk to you again!

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