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1:00 PM
There. Partly compiled by LastIronStar, who also compiled some proofs we did in this system here:
8 hours ago, by LastIronStar
e.g.0:
A or not A is a theorem
Proof:
if not ( A or not A ):
	not( A or not A ).  [If-sub]
	if A:
		not( A or not A ). [if-repeat]
		A. [If-sub]
		A or not A. [or-create]
	not A. [contradiction]
	A or not A. [or-create]
not not( A or not A). [contradiction]
A or not A. [not-destroy]

e.g.1:
Q := A or ( A => B ) [short-hand]
Q is a theorem
Proof:
If not Q:
	If A:
		If not B:
			Q.
			not Q.
		not not B.
		B.
	A => B.
	Q.
not not Q.
Q.
 
I am familiar with these deductions.
I studied them in discrete mathematics.
 
Okay good. So do you know why this deductive system is semantically complete? Namely it proves every tautology?
That's what we just covered yesterday or so.
 
No.
How do you proceed to prove such a thing?
 

Sketch of semantic-completeness theorem for propositional logic

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@bat_of_doom Roughly, the idea is to show that you can construct a proof based on the fact that the tautology is true for every truth assignment of its atoms.
And to construct the proof one way (as I chose in the linked conversation) is to first use LEM (separately proven) for each atom to repeatedly split cases for all the atoms involved, and then inside each case construct a subproof.
And constructing the subproof is recursive, or as I presented it via structural induction on the propositions.
@bat_of_doom: The key structural induction is here:
23 hours ago, by user21820
Let P be the property on propositions where we say that a proposition X satisfies P iff both the following hold:
23 hours ago, by user21820
(1) If it is true in that case then it is provable in that case.
23 hours ago, by user21820
(2) If it is false in that case then its negation is provable in that case.
So if you don't have time to read the transcript, you can attempt to prove by yourself using structural induction that every proposition satisfies P.
 
I will read the entire chat and get back to you. It does seem quite informative. Thanks a lot!
 
1:13 PM
You're welcome!
Have fun reading!
 
What is LEM?
 
Law of excluded middle. It is not an explicit rule for this system, but is redundant because each instance can be proven (as quoted above).
The proof LastIronStar wrote above is for "A or not A".
This is often called LEM for A.
 
 
6 hours later…
7:30 PM
@bat_of_doom Hello!
 
Hello!
 
Will you be joining us from now in this Expedition of Logics?
Secret and I are the two people that 820 was talking about.
 
Sure, when do you meet next?
I have to yet read the whole transcript that has been already discussed.
 
That's cool!
Pop in around 5:00-5:30 AM UTC and also about 7 hours after that
Check the above for activity graph that should give more idea
I can try explaining material covered so far if you've got any questions :)
@bat_of_doom ^
@bat_of_doom not seven maybe 3-4 hours after the usual time of 5:00 to 5:30 AM UTC, these are the two usual times as of now
 
7:47 PM
Sure, I'll be around.
 
8:07 PM
@bat_of_doom Is there any specific reason you are interested in Logic?
just curious
 
I studied a bit of logic in my discrete mathematics course. It just covered the basics. I was always interested to study further, but there is no course in my department (mathematics) that covers logic. The closest thing that exists is a course in logic for computer science from the C.S. department. However I never did that as I suspected it would be mostly application based and won't cover much theory.
 
@bat_of_doom is there any thing you want to talk about?
 
8:24 PM
@LastIronStar Not quite. I am pursuing a BTech degree in mathematics and computing. Though it does cover some of the theoretical part of C.S., most of the electronics courses are replaced with mathematics courses like analysis, func. analysis, algebra, etc.
 
@bat_of_doom Oh that's interesting, it seems like an adaptation of the Engineering Physics degree into Math.
or is it other way around?
 
Yeah, it is quite a new department, so we don't have an elective on logic as of now.
It is the other way round, I feel.
There is more of math than C.S.
 
I see, I thought Math & Computing was only available in IITK until you came along.
@bat_of_doom You will have electives from this year na?
 
In the course recommendation list, yes. Though I have already done 3 electives.
 
Oh! That's nice. Which ones?
 
8:37 PM
Number Theory, Combinatorics and a mini project related to extractive text summarisation.
You seem to know quite a bit about the course structure, are you from India?
 

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