TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2013-03-31 (page 1 of 2)

ℝaphink

12:12 AM

@DavidCarlisle: for the record, the "final" result github.com/raphink/biblequote/blob/master/romans.pdf?raw=true

(using extramarks eventually)

David Carlisle

@ℝaphink glad you got it working:-)

ℝaphink

thanks

it's been quite a struggle

there is an edge effect though

but it's ok

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I'm back too! :) I had to sing three of the four psalms. I'm tired. :P

@DavidCarlisle I did that once. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda You do it quite early.

Paulo Cereda

12:28 AM

@egreg Indeed. The suggestion from the diocese is to use only the first 4 readings and psalms from the liturgy (I suspect it's 6 or 7). :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Exsultet, seven readings from the Old Testament, Gloria in excels is Deo, the reading from St. Paul to the Romans and then the gospel. In the past they used to sing this Mass on Saturday morning; after Vatican II it was decided to do it at night, as in ancient times.

Now I'm going to bed. Shift to DST tonight.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Ah interesting! :)

@egreg Buonanotte! :)

Gonzalo Medina

1:10 AM

@PauloCereda Are you still here?

Paulo Cereda

@GonzaloMedina Yes. :)

Gonzalo Medina

Hi, Paulo!

Can you help me with a inkscape2tikz problem?

Paulo Cereda

@GonzaloMedina Hi Gonzalo! :) Of course I can! :)

Gonzalo Medina

The page in code.google says to copy some files in home/.inkscape/extensions However, this directory is not in my system. Should I create it?

Paulo Cereda

@GonzaloMedina Ubuntu?

Gonzalo Medina

1:16 AM

Yes.

Paulo Cereda

I suspect the directory is wrong, at least I have my files in other folder. :)

Try .config/inkscape/extensions/ instead.

paulo@alexandria ~$ ls .config/inkscape/extensions/
tikz_export_effect.inx  tikz_export_output.inx  tikz_export.py

From home.

/home/paulo/.config/inkscape/extensions/

Gonzalo Medina

Ah, yes; that's the one! Thanks.

Paulo Cereda

My pleasure! Hope it works. :)

Gonzalo Medina

I am about to do my first test!

Paulo Cereda

:)

Gonzalo Medina

1:25 AM

And where is the exported document saved?

Paulo Cereda

It's the "Save as..." action. Where did you save the file?

Gonzalo Medina

Hmmm. I didn't save it. I just drew something and used Extensions->Export->Export to TikZ path

Paulo Cereda

Hm? Do we have that? Let me see.

Karl's students

\fbox{\strut g}\fbox{\strut \"A} does not looks like my expectation.

Gonzalo Medina

@Karl'sstudents perhaps this does \fbox{\strut g}\fbox{\strut\smash{\"A}} ?

Karl's students

1:36 AM

@GonzaloMedina I need the opposite: The g's box height must be equal to the \"A's.

Paulo Cereda

@GonzaloMedina: Prefer "Save as...", and in the type, choose TikZ code (*.tex).

Gonzalo Medina

@PauloCereda Ah, will do it that way.

Perfect! Thank you very much!

Qrrbrbirlbel

@Karl'sstudents \fbox{\vphantom{\"A}\strut g}\fbox{\strut\"A}?

Karl's students

@Qrrbrbirlbel Is it possible without \vphantom?

I am actually commenting: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/36460/…

Qrrbrbirlbel

@Karl'sstudents What do you mean by “without”? The phantom family just measures the text and uses a rule to get the actual width/height.

Karl's students

1:48 AM

@Qrrbrbirlbel Just using \strut because I am commenting the above answer.

Qrrbrbirlbel

@Karl'sstudents Redefine \strut …

Karl's students

@Qrrbrbirlbel In my mental model, \strut can detect the highest and deepest characters. :-)

Qrrbrbirlbel

\setbox\strutbox\hbox{%
  \vrule\@height.7\baselineskip
        \@depth.3\baselineskip
        \@width\z@}%

It covers 70% of the baselineskip above the baseline, and 30% below.

Karl's students

@Qrrbrbirlbel I see. Peter Grill's statement "This is a box of zero width and height that extends just above and below the baseline which ensures that each line has the same vertical dimension." misleads me to the assumption that \struct can detect the highest and deepest characters among the active character set.

Qrrbrbirlbel

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\makeatletter
        \setbox\strutbox\hbox{%
          \vrule\@height.7\baselineskip
                \@depth.3\baselineskip
                \@width.4pt}%
\makeatother
\begin{tabular}{c c c}
 & strut & vphantom\\
    \fbox{g}\fbox{f\"A} &
    \fbox{g\strut}\fbox{f\"A\strut} &
    \fbox{g\vphantom{f\"A}}\fbox{f\"A\vphantom{g}}
\end{tabular}

\noindent
running text \strut\ running text\\
running text \strut\"A\ running text\\
running text \strut\ running text

@Karl'sstudents Yeah, it depends on the \baselineskip and not the actual font settings.

It looks like the Ä actually adds vertical space in the normal setting.

Gonzalo Medina

1:55 AM

@PauloCereda Is there a way to easily deform a circle in inkscape?

Karl's students

@Qrrbrbirlbel Confirmed. Thanks.

Paulo Cereda

@GonzaloMedina You need to convert it to a path, first. :)

Qrrbrbirlbel

@Karl'sstudents You could use .8 and .2 instead, better locally, of course. If you use Ä, do not use CM. lmodern and T1 font encoding is the better choice.

Karl's students

@Qrrbrbirlbel Affirmative...

Qrrbrbirlbel

2:16 AM

@PauloCereda Does arara somehow support PDF viewers?

Kurt

2:43 AM

@Speravir Do you have a portabel MikTex? Can you please check what happens if you type initexfm --edit-config-file updmap. Is a local updmap.cfg opened (should) or the file from the directory ...\miktex\config?

Speravir

@Kurt Starting this from Windows own Command Prompt will terribly fail or, as in my case, open an updmap.cg from not portable MiKTeX. But starting from the Command Prompt, one gets from the taskbar entry for MiKTeX portable, will open the existing updmap.cfg in <MiKTeX-portable>\miktex\config. That’s the original file, that will be overwritten on an update!

@Kurt This has BTW Unix line endings and looks therefore ugly and hardly editable in Notepad, where it will be opened by default.

Kurt

@Speravir So you have the same effect (taskbar entry for MiKtEX portable). Seems to be a bug ... It should be a local updmap.cfg, not the system file ...

Speravir

3:03 AM

@Kurt No, it’s not a bug, it’s a (unwanted/unexpexted) behaviour and consequence of setting all MiKTeX variables to one directory. Write initexmf --report in command prompt.

Kurt

But then you are not able to use an external font, with all files in your local texmf ...

Speravir

@Kurt Sorry, cannot help now. Will look on again later.

Kurt

No Problem! Thanks!

Karl's students

6:17 AM

3 centuries later...

Which is better? picin or wrapfig?

Karl's students

9:28 AM

When I read tkz-fct.sty, I find the author used fp package. My question is "Do TikZ packages rely on fp heavily?"

Joseph Wright

@Karl'sstudents Usually no

@Karl'sstudents pgf has it's own FPU, which is fast (uses dimens)

Karl's students

@JosephWright What makes dimens faster?

Paulo Cereda

@Qrrbrbirlbel If you can invoke a PDF viewer in the command line, I think it does. :) I think we wrote a rule for ` skim` some time ago and it worked quite well. :)

Joseph Wright

@Karl'sstudents If you use dimens, TeX does the calculation natively, whereas any other FPU has to use lots of manipulation at the macro level. The cost is that dimen calculations have limited decimal places. The fp package offers a lot of decimal places

Paulo Cereda

Happy Easter! :)

David Carlisle

9:35 AM

@Karl'sstudents depends what you want to do, picin is more general in that it can do cutouts in the middle of the line. But wrapfig's by Donald A, which is a good reason to use it, you can trust his TeX coding.

Karl's students

@JosephWright OK. Thanks for answering.

@DavidCarlisle Thank you. I trust him. There is no malicious code. :-)

egreg

@PauloCereda Happy Easter!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Buona Pasqua! Two hours until the Sunday mass. :)

Friends, I want to create a new environment for typesetting song lyrics. How bad do you think this output is?

\documentclass[12pt]{article}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{environ}

\newcounter{songcounter}
\newenvironment{song}{\setcounter{songcounter}{0}\parskip=0.5em}{}
\NewEnviron{verses}{\noindent\stepcounter{songcounter}\thesongcounter.\ \BODY}
\NewEnviron{chorus}{\noindent\textbf{\BODY}}

\begin{document}

\begin{song}

\begin{verses}
Vinde, Santo Espírito, e do céu mandai de tua luz um raio, de tua luz um raio. / Vinde, Pai dos pobres, doador dos dons, luz dos corações, luz dos corações.

Marco Daniel

9:58 AM

@PauloCereda Instead of using body you can use a simple theorem environment ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel For a song? :)

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda The contents of a theorem isn't limited to theorems ;-)

E.g. the package mdframed can be used too ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Oh! :)

Karl's students

... confortais.~/~Na fadiga... to avoid linebreaking at / :-)

Paulo Cereda

@Karl'sstudents ooh true! I forgot about it.

:)

egreg

10:04 AM

@PauloCereda There's no reason for using \NewEnviron in these cases.

\newcounter{songcounter}
\newenvironment{song}
  {\setcounter{songcounter}{0}%
   \parskip=0.5em
   \parindent=0pt }
  {}
\newenvironment{verses}
  {\stepcounter{songcounter}\thesongcounter.\ \ignorespaces}
  {}
\newenvironment{chorus}
  {\par\addvspace{\topsep}\bfseries}
  {}

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda Here without environ

\documentclass[12pt]{article}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

\newcounter{songcounter}
\newenvironment{song}{\setcounter{songcounter}{0}\parskip=0.5em}{}

\newenvironment{verses}{\noindent\refstepcounter{songcounter}\thesongcounter.\ \ignorespaces}{}
\newenvironment{chorus}{\noindent\bfseries\ignorespaces}{}
\begin{document}
\begin{song}
\begin{verses}
Vinde, Santo Espírito, e do céu mandai de tua luz um raio, de tua luz um raio. / Vinde, Pai dos pobres, doador dos dons, luz dos corações, luz dos corações.

@egreg Too late :-(

egreg

@MarcoDaniel And with unnecessary \noindent. ;-)

Marco Daniel

@egreg Really?

@egreg You set parindent=0pt;-)

egreg

@MarcoDaniel Inside the song environment

Marco Daniel

@egreg It's cleverer ;-)

Now I am waiting of "I know" ;-)

David Carlisle

10:07 AM

@MarcoDaniel \noindent in environment definitions usually lead to pain if paragraph isn't also started within the begin code.

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Thanks! :)

@egreg: Thanks, it looks great (so does Marco's). :) Just a tiny question, there seems to be a bigger space before the chorus, I can't figure out why.

Marco Daniel

@DavidCarlisle Thanks

Paulo Cereda

Pain? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I have some macros for typesetting songs....

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh! :)

I'll bite. xii style? :)

David Carlisle

10:10 AM

@PauloCereda unfortunately only Christmas ones, not easter

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle lol

Marco Daniel

@DavidCarlisle It's cold enough for Christmas

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel too true.

egreg

@PauloCereda Didn't you see \addvspace? :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh my! Sorry, I'm slow today. :)

Karl's students

10:18 AM

My proposal:

\documentclass[12pt]{article}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{environ}

\newcounter{songcounter}
\newenvironment{song}{\setcounter{songcounter}{0}\parskip=0.5em}{}
\NewEnviron{verses}{\noindent\stepcounter{songcounter}\thesongcounter.\ \textit{\BODY}}
\NewEnviron{chorus}{\noindent\textbf{\BODY}}
\def\Jesus{{%
    \rm J%
    \kern-.17em\lower.7ex\hbox{E}%
    \kern-.137em\lower.05ex\hbox{S}%
    \kern-.30em\lower-.6ex\hbox{U}%
    \kern-.21em\lower.05ex\hbox{S}%

Paulo Cereda

@Karl'sstudents ooh it'll be a success. :)

We could come up with a T-shirt.

Karl's students

@PauloCereda For advertising LaTeX.

David Carlisle

! Undefined control sequence.
<*> \rm

Karl's students

@DavidCarlisle XeLaTeX can compile it without problem.

David Carlisle

$ xelatex '\rm'
This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-0.9998 (TeX Live 2012)
restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
LaTeX2e <2011/06/27>
Babel <v3.8m> and hyphenation patterns for english, dumylang, nohyphenation, ge
rman-x-2012-05-30, ngerman-x-2012-05-30, afrikaans, ancientgreek, ibycus, arabi
c, armenian, basque, bulgarian, catalan, pinyin, coptic, croatian, czech, danis
h, dutch, ukenglish, usenglishmax, esperanto, estonian, ethiopic, farsi, finnis
h, french, friulan, galician, german, ngerman, swissgerman, monogreek, greek, h

!!/boatrace

Paulo Cereda

10:31 AM

@DavidCarlisle LOL

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda Psmith not there? (Perhaps he's travelling to London to watch the boat race...)

Karl's students

This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-0.9998 (TeX Live 2012/W32TeX)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./song.tex
LaTeX2e <2011/06/27>
Babel <v3.8m> and hyphenation patterns for english, dumylang, nohyphenation, ge
rman-x-2012-05-30, ngerman-x-2012-05-30, afrikaans, ancientgreek, ibycus, arabi
c, armenian, basque, bulgarian, catalan, pinyin, coptic, croatian, czech, danis
h, dutch, ukenglish, usenglishmax, esperanto, estonian, ethiopic, farsi, finnis
h, french, friulan, galician, german, ngerman, swissgerman, monogreek, greek, h

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I need to open the terminal. :P

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda Why? Use arara and open the log-file ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Das arara. :)

percusse

10:37 AM

@PauloCereda I think it's a der

Paulo Cereda

@percusse <science dog meme here> I have no idea what I'm doing right now. :)

percusse

or sounds like one which proves nothing in german :)

Marco Daniel

@percusse If you mean the bird you are completely right ;-)

percusse

@MarcoDaniel :-)

Here is something that I can never be sure of what to do

0

A: How to make apostrophes appear normally when copy-pasting from a MS Word document?

you can use emphasis to print apostrophe user\emph{'}s

leave it, flag it, comment it under it, low rep user he can't comment but then he is a new user goes on.....

David Carlisle

@percusse bang head on desk?

percusse

10:49 AM

@DavidCarlisle I'm being unsure maybe because of that

Karl's students

11:00 AM

In what package is the abbreviation \ea for \expandafter defined?

Joseph Wright

@Karl'sstudents Several people use abbreviations for this

Karl's students

@JosephWright en.wikibooks.org/wiki/TeX/expandafter at the bottom.

Paulo Cereda

\ea\sports to \the\game

Karl's students

@PauloCereda Nice command and conquer intro... :D But you forgot \to.

Paulo Cereda

@Karl'sstudents I'm playing too much videogames. :)

David Carlisle

11:04 AM

@PauloCereda t isn't expandable

Joseph Wright

@Karl'sstudents I mean that it's hard to say where they got it from, as \let\eq\expandafter is easy to do

Karl's students

@JosephWright OK. Thanks.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse: youtube.com/watch?v=V0MjH05iliI

Karl's students

in Mathematics, 30 secs ago, by Ilya

I mean, what;s the point?

How to explain it to him?

Joseph Wright

@Karl'sstudents Won't work in MathJax, so might be tricky

Karl's students

11:13 AM

@JosephWright :-)

Marco Daniel

12:45 PM

@cmhughes: I submitted a pull request ;-)

Karl's students

1:09 PM

Is "Another Look At TeX" a free book? I ask it because I cannot find it sold on the online bookstores.

Joseph Wright

@Karl'sstudents Out of print?

Karl's students

@JosephWright I cannot find it at amazon. No information found whether it is out of print.

egreg

@Karl'sstudents Probably never really published; I found it in a library in Canada: resolve.library.ubc.ca/cgi-bin/catsearch?bid=2606576

Joseph Wright

@egreg Probably: can't find a copy in the Library of Congress or British Library

egreg

@JosephWright Maybe it evolved into "TeX in Practice"

Joseph Wright

1:17 PM

@egreg Ah, at TRIUMF, so probably Donald A. got them to buy it :-)

egreg

@JosephWright Or he donated his copy.

Paulo Cereda

1:39 PM

Back from the mass! :)

\par\nolinebreak or the opposite?

Alenanno

Hey guys

egreg

@PauloCereda \par does a line break, doesn't it?

@Alenanno Hi! Buona Pasqua!

Alenanno

@egreg Anche a te! :D

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh my! I meant the one that glues two lines, so they don't be apart.

@Alenanno Hello! :)

Happy Easter!

Alenanno

Same to you!

David Carlisle

1:47 PM

@egreg sorry didn't see your \lastnodetype comment (or it wasn't there when I started writing, or something:-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: I think I made a terrible confusion. :) I thought of adding a header for the song, but I'd like to avoid the header being apart from the beginning of the song. I don't know why, but \nolinebreak came to my mind. I think the best option is a minipage?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda You mean \nopagebreak presumably or (better) use the section head mechanism which goes to some lengths to keep headings with the first bit of a section.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Oh my, that's the one!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda They are actually the same thing (and the same as \nobreak) except that they give an error if used in the wrong place:-)

egreg

@PauloCereda If you use a list environment for the song, then adding \nopagebreak before it is probably useless.

N3buchadnezzar

1:54 PM

Heya =)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I was writing a more complete answer. ;-)

N3buchadnezzar

@egreg, I tried parsing a custom list/variable to your table, but was not able to do so any ideas?

David Carlisle

@egreg yes well I voted for it (although I assume you are at cap:-)

@N3buchadnezzar serves you right for choosing the inferior solution:-)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Hit just before your vote.

N3buchadnezzar

:p

David Carlisle

1:57 PM

@egreg only just? So slow these days.

@egreg how would you like to ask a macro question now (I'm one short of a badge:-)

N3buchadnezzar

pastebin.com/PJiWPEny

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Writing \def\David{\David} seems to stop TeX doing its work; why is that?

David Carlisle

@egreg I'm not sure: I shall try it with \tracingall and report back.

egreg

@N3buchadnezzar Change Del1 .tl_set:N = \l__nebu_deli_tl, into Del1 .tl_set_x:N = \l__nebu_deli_tl,

Or into Del1 .code:n = \tl_set:No \l__nebu_deli_tl { #1 } },

N3buchadnezzar

Wow =) Will that fix the points too ?

egreg

2:04 PM

@N3buchadnezzar Similarly for the other ones.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I was wondering about a list. Using \item for verses and \item[] for chorus?

egreg

But why using such complicated methods? In that case I guess that a different main macro is better. Do you accumulate your grades going through the document and print the table at the end?

N3buchadnezzar

Yeah, and then use the answers package to print it at the start

Paulo Cereda

4

Q: Draw a chain of beads

I would like to reproduce this kind of figure: I'm wondering what's the best way to achieve that with TikZ. My guess is to draw an element composed of a circle + a link and to link this element by specifying only an angle (since the distance is always the same). Any suggestions?

tikz-pgf

Rosary anyone? :D

David Carlisle

!!/eightball Oxford or Cambridge or still-asleep?

Paulo Cereda

2:09 PM

@DavidCarlisle Hold on. :)

@DavidCarlisle Done. :)

Now it's on Alexandria. :)

David Carlisle

!!/choose Oxford, Cambridge

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: Cambridge

David Carlisle

ooh. Should I put real money on that:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Boat race? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/t/471/…

Joseph Wright

2:12 PM

@DavidCarlisle You missed out 'both sink'

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda It's a minor sporting event between two universities that's just about to take up 2 hours prime time TV on the main BBC channel...

The Boat Race

The Boat Race is an annual rowing race between the Oxford University Boat Club and the Cambridge University Boat Club, rowed between competing eights on the River Thames in London, England. It is also known as the University Boat Race and the Oxford and Cambridge Boat Race, from 2010–2012 for sponsorship reasons as the Xchanging Boat Race, and from 2013 as the BNY Mellon Boat Race. It usually takes place on the last Saturday of March or the first Saturday of April. The first race was in 1829 and the event has been held annually since 1856, except during World War I and World War II. ...

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh! Which team should I pick?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda obey the Great Oracle

N3buchadnezzar

@egreg Bah, did not work. Back to the drawing table ^^

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle okay, go Cambridge! :)

N3buchadnezzar

2:15 PM

@DavidCarlisle We have that in norway too, only that the students uses bathtubs instead of boats.

David Carlisle

@N3buchadnezzar does the whole country stop to watch?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle: Will the Queen be there?

And please, don't tell me Kate \middle\ton will be there too.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda Last time they made the Royal Family watch an event on the Thames the Duke of Edinburgh was in hospital for a week..

N3buchadnezzar

Wll its a big thing, since it is a competition for the biggest university in norway youtube.com/watch?v=TSkOzuQNDrI

egreg

@N3buchadnezzar I'm writing a new implementation by which you can gather the points during the document and then print the table where you prefer (but requirese two runs to stabilize, of course).

Paulo Cereda

2:19 PM

@DavidCarlisle ooh!

N3buchadnezzar

@egreg woooo

Awesome :D

egreg

3:04 PM

@N3buchadnezzar It's online. :)

user19161

@PauloCereda Happy Easter! I am now the black square!

N3buchadnezzar

@egreg =)

@JasperLoy welcome in da club, yo

Paulo Cereda

@JasperLoy Hi Jasper! Happy Easter! :)

user19161

@PauloCereda Are you going to church today?

Paulo Cereda

@JasperLoy I already did, in the morning. :)

Paulo Cereda

3:46 PM

@DavidCarlisle: Go Cambridge! It's over?

David Carlisle

3:59 PM

@PauloCereda I lost my life's savings on the word of your Oracle

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Oh no! Oxford won?

!!/choose Oxford, Cambridge

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: Cambridge

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda consistent, but wrong.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Oxford cheated, certainly. :)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle You should've asked a macros question, instead.

David Carlisle

@egreg I don't know how to ask questions

egreg

4:06 PM

You can click on the "Ask Question" link.

!!/eightball Is asking questions on TeX.SX easy?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: without a doubt.

David Carlisle

@egreg don't believe Psmith, it can be an expensive mistake.

Qrrbrbirlbel

4:39 PM

@JosephWright It seems Op (a generic user####) and basfot are the same user: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/105829/…

Qrrbrbirlbel

4:53 PM

Great, once you click on improve on a suggested tag wiki, you can’t even see the tag’s name anywhere.

percusse

5:16 PM

@texenthusiast Please put more words if you want to provide tag wikis. A standalone link is not helpful when the questioners are trying to choose the proper tags.

And link to CTAN or TeXDoc page not the actual PDF please.

texenthusiast

@percusse Hi there, Sure, any meta Q &A accepted on a particular format.

Dominic Michaelis

Excuse me I have a question, is it "up - " and "downstairs" or "up" - and "downstairs" (look at the spacing and the position of the quotes )

percusse

@texenthusiast I can't remember any but you can check the highly used tags. In the tags page you can see the excerpts that will be shown. You can use those as templates

@DominicMichaelis I think none. You don't put dashes to upstairs or downstairs. You might go with a slash up/downstairs.

but not a native here so grain of salt

Dominic Michaelis

well that was the first example where you could use the abbrevation with a - which came to my mind

I am not native to an the origional problem is "Plus - " and "Minustyp"

percusse

@DominicMichaelis I think it should be something like 2-, 3-, and 4-wheel drive such that the regular use should also include dashes.

@Qrrbrbirlbel :-)

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Q: Tag wiki excerpt improvements

Whenever someone suggests a tag wiki excerpt, trusted users have a choice: Clicking on "Improve" provides you with the opportunity to modify the suggested change with a motivation on what it is your changing (like with all edits). However, it does not show which tag you're editing or trying to...

feature-request tagwiki

Qrrbrbirlbel

5:30 PM

@percusse Exactly, I was trying to improve what you have criticized @texenthusiast, and the second I clicked on "Improve" I forgot what tag I am actually editing.

percusse

@Qrrbrbirlbel Another day at the office

Now what's this?

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Q: Have you seen this popup and what to do about it?

I've noticed the following behavior after highlighting text---I get this annoying popup: Since the highlight ^C action is by now hardwired, I find this particularly infuriating. I can remove it if I dump cookies en mass, but I've yet to find the offending site/whatever. It is broken in that ma...

discussion

texenthusiast

@percusse when you say something needs improvement , it would be wise enough to show the community accepted guidelines to make a good/correct wiki tag. I have observed every one changes the tag wiki as per their taste and language. It is also tag dependent as we cannot write an essay on a small unknown tag. I am not wise enough to make the correct one accepted by all. is this meta Q guidelines ok ? Please help me

Qrrbrbirlbel

@percusse Check with @UlrikeFischer, maybe it is a white hole. ;)

@texenthusiast Have you read other tag wikis? There is a similar tone. {tag} is about ...

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel yes i noticed it. Hence i leave it for the judgement of peers. I am just a small soldier

Qrrbrbirlbel

@texenthusiast I think I did a more or less good job on siunitx where I have also provided a very short summary of the package’s macros.

Marco Daniel

5:43 PM

@DavidCarlisle: A macro question. I am trying to answer the following question: Set biblatex smartand to small caps. The issue is that the following definition must be executed after begin{document}. If I put the definition after begin{document} it works. But if I use \AtBeginDocument it fails. It's important the the redefinition is executed after begin{document}:

 \bgroup%
   \catcode`\&=3\relax%
   \catcode`\@11\relax%
   \gdef\lbx@es@smartand@e#1&{\endgroup \textsc{e}\nobreakspace}%
   \gdef\lbx@es@smartand@y#1&{\endgroup \textsc{yas}\nobreakspace}%
 \egroup

Qrrbrbirlbel

I think we could use the wikis for a good but short summary of the packages. Of course it should not replace a manual, but something along the lines

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel qhich bit were you trying to put in atbegindocument? you can't out the catcode changes in there (well you can but they won't do anything).

Marco Daniel

@Qrrbrbirlbel Who needs documentation -- we have @DavidCarlisle and @egreg :-)

@DavidCarlisle They do nothing ;-)

@DavidCarlisle This works:

 \bgroup%
   \catcode`\&=3\relax%
   \catcode`\@11\relax%
\AtBeginDocument{%
   \gdef\lbx@es@smartand@e#1&{\endgroup \textsc{e}\nobreakspace}%
   \gdef\lbx@es@smartand@y#1&{\endgroup \textsc{yas}\nobreakspace}%
}
 \egroup

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel well of course:-) catcode changes only affect the conversion of characters in the file to character tokens, they have no effect on tokens, and what you put in the hook is a list of tokens

texenthusiast

@Qrrbrbirlbel pgfplots and even yours all are excellent. I can write as per any tag , but what is the standard practice with given some tolerance to my writing. I don't mind improving myself.

Marco Daniel

5:47 PM

@DavidCarlisle Indeed. A simple explanation and I understand it ;-)

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel shame you didn't ask it on site:-)

Marco Daniel

@Qrrbrbirlbel I know. yas was only a test if the changes has any effect ;-)

egreg

@texenthusiast I think that just providing a link to the package documentation is not sufficient to make a tag wiki.

Qrrbrbirlbel

@MarcoDaniel Sorry, didn't see that you already found the solution ...

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: the command line parser is now almost ready. :)

!!/eightball will Cambridge win?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: yes, definitely.

@DavidCarlisle: ^^

David Carlisle

5:51 PM

@PauloCereda there's always next year

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I blame the Duke of Edinburgh. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda except of course I have no money now and will be destitute and homeless by then

Marco Daniel

@Qrrbrbirlbel No problem. Thanks

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Don't make me feel guilty. :)

egreg

@MarcoDaniel You don't need \gdef there.

Paulo Cereda

5:52 PM

You earn millions a year, you are a XML expert. :)

Meanwhile, in the Java alley...

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I've seen people say xml experts cost a lot, I've heard the same about TeX consultants too, I think I missed out somewhere.

Marco Daniel

@egreg I used the default definition of the lbx-file.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle XML and TeX! You must earn billions then. :)

I can't even afford my Pringles. :)

Oh my, we a have a QR code here!

Hello!

Marco Daniel

@egreg I added this information.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle: should we have short flags as well? Currently we have --id, but I can add support for -i as well. :)

Henri Menke

5:56 PM

@PauloCereda Is this referred to my avatar? Hello everybody.

tohecz

@HenriMenke quite obviously ;)

Paulo Cereda

@HenriMenke Hi! :) Yes, I love QR codes! Can I ask its message? :)

Henri Menke

@PauloCereda Of course, it yields the text: Physics is awesome.

Paulo Cereda

@HenriMenke ooh! :) Neat!

@tohecz Bonjour monsieur Hejda. :)

Marco Daniel

@DavidCarlisle: I added the tag macros ;-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/106242/…

tohecz

5:59 PM

@PauloCereda Ahoj :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz <3

@DavidCarlisle: Is there any Easter-related xii song?

tohecz

@PauloCereda \usepackage{l3regex}

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz :P

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Stick with descriptive for the moment: the idea will be mainly to run this from a script any way

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Roger that, sir.

Or like in the Brazilian movie Elite squad: skull, captain.

We should definitely create a TeX clan in CoD and pwn some Word users.

@percusse: ^^ sir

percusse

6:03 PM

@texenthusiast Don't get me wrong tag wikis are hard to write up so in case you are willing to attack I'd be more than happy. But no need to double the efforts. That's what I meant sorry if it was kind of a authoritative tone.

Paulo Cereda

Happy Easter, @ℝaphink! :)

!!/translate from en to fr Happy Easter!

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Joyeuses Pâques !

Marco Daniel

Should we close this question as TL?

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Q: TOC in double languages with input files

How you can see here, I have already done the TOCs in double languages (English and Italian): the problem is that it works only if I write all the text in the same file, but, when I try to input another external file, the latex compiler give me this error: "! Undefined control sequence. <arg...

table-of-contents languages input

See last comment:

Henri Menke

I hope it is okay if I ask a short question here. How can I set the maximum length of the mantissa in siunitx, e.g. that 500 stays 500 but 500000 becomes 5x10^6?

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Agreed.

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda voted

texenthusiast

6:09 PM

@egreg i am your humble follower and admire you :). I accept whatever you say is. sure i will improve. i was noticing how the tag wiki changes are after i made my submit and learning. some change to pdf link and others for easiness to hover the 'compact' text on tagwiki. @percusse you are the best. my tone was like a student learning from mistakes and not to repeat the same one but a different one :). Bye.

Paulo Cereda

@HenriMenke Oh good question! Let me see if the manual gives us some hint on that. (or we could bug @JosephWright) :)

ℝaphink

Happy Easter @PauloCereda! He is risen!

egreg

@ℝaphink Really!

ℝaphink

Yes, really :-)

percusse

@HenriMenke you can turn off the scientific notation via \num[scientific-notation=false]{1200000000}

Paulo Cereda

6:14 PM

@egreg tunc ergo introivit et ille discipulus qui venerat primus ad monumentum et vidit et credidit :)

Henri Menke

@percusse This is possible indeed, but I wanted to have a more "automated" solution. Thank you anyway!

percusse

@HenriMenke If you want this to happen to every number parsed then you can put \sisetup{scientific-notation=false} in your preamble

Henri Menke

@percusse I would like siunitx to invoke the scientific-notation as soon as the input number reaches a certain order of magnitude.

Joseph Wright

@HenriMenke Currently not implemented, but I know about this

Henri Menke

@JosephWright Thank you. Where can I place a feature request for this? By the way, I think I might have found a bug in siunitx, where do I report it?

tohecz

6:26 PM

@HenriMenke I don't think you have to request it, you're likely not the first one to want it ;)

Joseph Wright

@HenriMenke Ideally on BitBucket, as this is the best place to track things for me

bitbucket.org/josephwright/siunitx/issues

Henri Menke

6:39 PM

Thank you all for your kind help. Happy easter and a good evening! Goodbye.

N3buchadnezzar

Hmmm

Is there any reason siunitx makes my tables really wide?

\begin{table}
\begin{tabular}{l *{10}S[table-format=2.2]}
\bf Pose & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 & 7 & 8 & 9 & 10 \\
\bf Vekt [\si{\gram}]& 508 & 503 & 510 & 512 & 519 & 511 & 496 & 503 & 503 & 506 \\
\end{tabular}
\end{table}

Joseph Wright

@N3buchadnezzar Your table-format is wrong

Should be table-format = 3

N3buchadnezzar

Even changing it to 3.0 makes little differnce

Still much wider than a normal table

Joseph Wright

@N3buchadnezzar You also need to make sure the formatting is actually applied: *{10}{S[table-format=3]}, note the extra braces

With *{10}S[... only the S is duplicated

N3buchadnezzar

Ah!

Me so tired, thanks a bunch ^^

Paulo Cereda

6:52 PM

@DavidCarlisle, @JosephWright: github.com/cereda/dandelion/blob/master/dandelion.lua#L954 and github.com/cereda/dandelion/blob/master/dandelion.lua#L965 :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda You'll need at least one more action: test and list are fine, but we need save or something similar to actually create the reference version of the log

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Hm what would that be? :)

N3buchadnezzar

!!/eightball which table looks the best? imgur.com/mc7q4SN.

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: too busy looking for bugs in longtable.

N3buchadnezzar

Long table is loong

tohecz

7:11 PM

@N3buchadnezzar the 1st one is the best. Do not overuse alignment of numbers

and if I were doing the table, I would likely center the first column with the unit