TeX, LaTeX and Friends

cfr

00:46

@AlanMunn was about to say 2 hours too late.

is it expected that latex now breaks log lines after 58 characters?

barbara beeton

01:23

@AlanMunn -- An article that I think will interest you: nytimes.com/2024/11/04/world/asia/indonesia-korea-hangul.html Helping a non-literate community to become literate, and preserve their folk tales and other oral history is, to my mind, a good thing. And if Hangul orthography fits, better to use it instead of inventing something entirely new. (When was the Inuktitut orthography developed, do you know?)1

D G

03:46

In siunitx, there is bar but no psi and atm.
ChatGPT told me to define as follows.

\DeclareSIUnit{\psi}{\text{psi}}
\DeclareSIUnit{\atm}{\text{atm}}

But \psi as a greek letter become overridden.

I changed to \DeclareSIUnit{\ppsi}{\text{psi}}% pound per square inch.

muzimuzhi Z

04:01

The doc for `tlmgr info --json` [1] says the format of its JSON output is documented in `tlpkg/doc/json-formats.txt`, but I even don't have the `doc` directory under `$(kpsewhich --var-value TEXMFROOT)/tlpkg`, in a/an (incomplete) basicTeX installation on macOS.

Would anyone with complete installation help me check whether `tlpkg/doc/json-formats.txt` exist? Is there any copy of it available from the internet? I searched in the texlive-source repo [2] but found nothing.

[1]: https://www.tug.org/texlive/doc/tlmgr.html#info

encountered tlmgr info --json when posting github.com/teatimeguest/setup-texlive-action/issues/…

mbert

04:52

@muzimuzhiZ tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/tlpkg/doc/json-formats.txt

@muzimuzhiZ I can't find it in my local installation though

muzimuzhi Z

Great!
BTW, does the tug.org/svn support any sort of searching by filename?

mbert

@muzimuzhiZ I have no idea. At a glance it seems like no

muzimuzhi Z

05:16

@mbert huge thanks ^_^

cfr

06:40

@anybody nearby do you get a ctan server which isn't using https? my browser refuses to go there. usually reloading a couple of times gets a different mirror and it is fine, but sometimes I keep hitting the insecure one ....

Joseph Wright

07:18

@DG \PSI would be my choice

@DG Don't add \text here unless you really mean it

@DG \psi would only affect Greek text if you are allowing free-standing units

@muzimuzhiZ No, yoiu'd need a local checkout

daleif

07:44

@JosephWright doesn't siunitx usually use \text for this?

Joseph Wright

@daleif No, as most of the time you want math mode (in my opinion)

daleif

08:26

@JosephWright Ok, I just thought that was the recommended method then users should define their own units. (might be a while since I last read the manual)

Joseph Wright

08:54

@daleif You are thinking of the case where you want \mathnormal or similar: \text{\ensuremath{...}}

samcarter

@cfr Personally, I opted out of the automatic mirror selection and just choose a reliable mirror near me. This avoids such problems for me.

daleif

@JosephWright right

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ooh I have FAU

samcarter

@PauloCereda ohh

daleif

11:26

Just noticed that the primary font for our letter class (bera) does not work correctly with lualatex. (1) bera.sty loads fontenc, (2) if fontenc is removed, the font does not work correctly, presumably not available in TU. Is there any way to solve this? It does seem to work ok with fontenc(T1) under lualatex, though »Foo« comes out wrong. As far as I know beta (in TL) is only available in Type1.

mickep

11:44

@daleif Isn't that more or less the same as the dejavu fonts? Maybe those can be used instead?

daleif

@mickep the default setup in bera is a serif font. Isn't dejavu sans-serif?

Ahh, no found the serif version

Plus one has to manually set dejavu up for lualatex, there does not seems to be a package for it.

mickep

@daleif Just \setmainfont or what it is called? They are at least opentype/ttf, so should work out well, I guess.

Pablo González L

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mickep

12:00

@daleif Isn't dejavu-otf for those fonts?

daleif

@mickep might be. Though I need something that preferably works woth both pdflatex and lualatex. No matter the recommendation, pdflatex is the most used engine.

daleif

12:35

For example dejavu-otf seems to have a math setup as well, whereas the normal version does not.

D G

15:16

@JosephWright OK. Thank you.

cfr

15:38

@daleif can't you just test the engine in the class? but I don't know if bera uses the same metrics as dejavu.

@samcarter hmm. I don't know how to do that off-hand, but I expect my distro's wiki will tell me ;).

samcarter

@cfr To choose @PauloCereda's favourite mirror: tlmgr option repository https://ftp.fau.de/ctan/systems/texlive/tlnet/

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ooh

samcarter

@PauloCereda :P

Alan Munn

16:07

@barbarabeeton Very interesting! Thanks for pointing it out. The Inuktitut writing system was based off of the Cree system which was developed in the mid 19th century, so it's been around for quite a while. The current version was adopted in 1976.

cfr

16:18

@samcarter oh, sorry. I should have been clearer. I'm talking about access through a web browser. I already set it manually for tlmgr periodically as they all seem flaky at sometime or other ;).

@samcarter @PauloCereda but thanks for that. maybe I should see if that one is less flaky more often.

samcarter

@cfr ah, that changes things :P

Alan Munn

@cfr Can you think of a way of automatically avoiding parts of a tree when drawing curved arrows between nodes? Something akin to the fit system, would be ideal, i.e. setting the fit nodes as the area to avoid.

samcarter

@cfr which browser do you use?

cfr

@samcarter chromium or firefox usually, but I think there's a way of setting it more generally.

@AlanMunn do you have an example? off-hand, the answer is no. but I've never actually thought about it.

@AlanMunn I wonder if you could pick points outside the fit nodes and then use something like hobby?

samcarter

@cfr There are redirecting add-ons for firefox - but you would probably have to set up a rule for each insecure mirror (I don't know how many there are)

Alan Munn

16:27

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[linguistics]{forest}
\usetikzlibrary{calc}
\newcommand\TR[1]{$\langle$#1$\rangle$}
\newcommand\1{$'$}
\begin{document}
\begin{forest}
[DP [D\\y][NumP [Num [N\\disgrifiad,name=Num][Num\\SG]] [NP [AP\\manwl] [NP [DP [D\\y][NumP [Num [N\\gyrrwr,name=driver][Num\\SG]] [NP\\\TR{gyrrwr}]]][N\1 [N\\\TR{disgrifiad},name=N] [PP [P\\o][DP [D\\'r][NumP [Num [N\\ddamwain][Num\\SG]][NP\\\TR{ddamwain}]]]]]]]]]
\draw[->] (N.south) .. controls ($(N.south)+(0in,-1in)$) and ($(driver.south)+(-1.5in,-2in)$) .. (Num.south);

@cfr I've never used hobby so I don't know what it could do.

cfr

@AlanMunn is it urgent? I need to think about bats for a bit, so can't think about trees right now.

Alan Munn

@cfr No, not urgent at all.

@cfr Sorry if you have a bat problem. Bats are cool, but not in your attic.

cfr

@AlanMunn not a bat problem. teaching.

@AlanMunn cool.

samcarter

\documentclass{standalone}
\usepackage{tikzlings-bats}

\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}
  \bat
\end{tikzpicture}

\end{document}

Alan Munn

@cfr Ah, ok. And I've just looked into hobby and it seems that it can do what I want fairly easily. Testing now. Thanks for the suggestion.

cfr

16:46

@samcarter damn. now I have to recompile my slides ;).

samcarter

@cfr sorry :P

Alan Munn

17:15

@cfr The hobby library is almost perfect. I just need to think of what a useful syntax of my arrow command will need to be to use it. But it's much easier than specifiying controls manually.

cfr

18:17

@AlanMunn yes, it's pretty neat ;).

@samcarter your bat does well with auto-memoization :-).

samcarter

19:26

@cfr oh, that's nice to hear!

Paulo Cereda

20:02

@samcarter ooh more suns

Skillmon

@PauloCereda as in computers?

Werner

20:54

@cfr: I don't think there's anything wrong with your edits to the question you flagged. You may have noticed that I "declined" your flag. That's one of the only options we have to say "do nothing" when it comes to comment flags.

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh Sparc :)

Alan Munn

21:54

Is it possible to mix expl3 with regular macro names? Can I do something like \tl_set:Nn \MY@macro {foo}?

Ulrike Fischer

@AlanMunn yes.

Alan Munn

@UlrikeFischer Ok thanks. It will save me from rewriting some things for the time being.

cfr

23:10

@Werner the comment I flagged? thanks very much for taking the time to explain.

@Werner and, no, I hadn't noticed because I hadn't looked yet.

@AlanMunn do you still want me to look or is it sorted?

@AlanMunn (I didn't actually do anything with the example you gave me - at least, not yet.)

LaTeXereXeTaL

23:37

Section 10.3 of interface3.pdf includes everything except a way to access \fmtversion through the L3 programming layer. Is something like \c_sys_engine_format_version_str planned for a future release?

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL well \fmtversion is a macro that's defined by the 2e format, expl3 can't really define it or know that it exists (other than happen to have been written by the same people) l3sys module is about the underlying tex system, not about the higher level format

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle Okay just wondering. Thank you.

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