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do we have any chance to do the same for selected typography examples?
 
@egreg I have posted the transcript here pastebin.com/Y7jCndWV
 
@percusse: The same header?
 
@mythealias It's quite probable that the pdftex.map file is wrong about rsfso (which was the error I mentioned, IIRC). Check if you have a rsfso.map file in your system
 
wouldn't have the same effect though.
@ℝaphink yep something along those lines
 
@Gnintendo: So I'd say just try several and make a choice :-)
@percusse: I like our header, it's nice and stylish.
 
9:01 PM
@mythealias Yes: the relevant entry is missing in pdftex.map
 
@ℝaphink sure no problem with that.
 
oh
and what do I do about horrendously offending overfull hboxes in a bibliography?
 
@Gnintendo: Did you \usepackage{microtype} yet?
 
no?
what will that do?
 
Then do, and enjoy microtypography :-)
it will drastically improve overfull boxes, paragraph margins and more.
 
9:03 PM
You can also try cheating on the map file, by adding the following lines to your document:
\pdfmapline{=rrsfso10 rsfs10 " -.4 SlantFont " <rsfs10.pfb}
\pdfmapline{=rrsfso7 rsfs7 " -.4 SlantFont " <rsfs7.pfb}
\pdfmapline{=rrsfso5 rsfs5 " -.4 SlantFont " <rsfs5.pfb}
 
ok now what
now it's only 41pt off the right margin
but...still pretty damn bad :s
 
what do you mean @Gnintendo? Do you have a screenshot?
 
mm, yeah, one sec
 
@egreg Thank you. pdfmapline worked. How can I fix the pdftex.map?
 
@ℝaphink grab.by/gvTM
see how the URL bleeds off the margin?
 
9:08 PM
Btw, you can upload pics here with the 'upload…' button
 
mmk
but see what I mean?
 
Ah, it's a URL that's too long. Hyphenating URLs is not easy.
 
@mythealias You have to find rsfso.map and persuade MiKTeX to update the main pdftex.map. How this is done is Greek to me, as I never use Windoze. :) Probably you should file a bug report to the developer.
 
but what should I do about it?
it's a significant deviation from the rest
 
Are you using the url package @Gnintendo?
 
9:09 PM
If I switch to lmodern that URL is the only offending one and everything else is fine
I am not, should I be?
 
@egreg Okay.
 
Well, the URL package would allow for easy hyphenation of URLs
 
@mythealias First of all ensure you have the last version of the MiKTeX package providing rsfso.
 
@Gnintendo or you could shorten them eg upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/… could be goo.gl/xhEFv
 
@ℝaphink I added it and it looks the same compiled, do I need to move the url package up in my preamble?
 
9:12 PM
@Gnintendo: you then have to use \url{http://yoururl} to typeset URLs
 
@Gnintendo No I think you are seeing url package working but that just allows breaks after / and . not mid-word
 
and yes, the package needs to be in the preamble (like all \usepackage)
 
no I mean, does it have to be earlier in the preamble
hmph
 
@egreg I don't think so. It has been some time since I updated the install. I will update it and try again.
 
@ℝaphink or presumably? you could get microtype to squeeze the letters so they fit on the line
 
9:14 PM
also, I was using \url before doing \usepackage{url} just now, was I already using a package that provided a similar functionality or something?
 
@DavidCarlisle: also
 
@Gnintendo hyperref
 
Do I need url if I already have hyperref?
 
@Gnintendo: Like @DavidCarlisle said, the hyphenation in URLs will not occur in the middle of words. Maybe you could add a manual hyphenation point, like cwidaho\-humanities. I don't know if that would work.
 
@Gnintendo I think it includes it (but it's been a while it is easy enough to check the log)
 
9:16 PM
I would like to avoid using shortened URLs, ideally...
@ℝaphink So I could do that in my .bib file?
 
maybe, I'm not used to bibliographies
 
@Gnintendo you can use url and allow it to break after any letter it just has a list of break characters and you can add stuff to it
% Changing linebreaks:
% The list of characters that allow line-breaks is given by "\UrlBreaks"
% and "\UrlBigBreaks", which have the format "\do\c" for character "c".
% The differences are that `BigBreaks' usually have a lower penalty and have
% different breakpoints when in sequence (as in "http://"): `BigBreaks'
% are treated as mathrels while `Breaks' are mathbins (see The TeXbook,
% p.170). In particular, a series of `BigBreak' characters will break at
% the end and only at the end; a series of `Break' characters will break
 
@DavidCarlisle So I'm not sure how this would apply to URLs generated by biblatex
:s
also, in coming up with a solution, we should note that if I'm using libertineotf I get signifcantly more bad hboxes (and this is with microtype):
 
@Gnintendo There's a section about splitting URLs in the manual of biblatex. Look for biburlnumpenalty
For instance \setcounter{biburlnumpenalty}{2000} will allow breaks after digits.
 
so I will do that in the preamble?
 
9:25 PM
@Gnintendo Yes, after having loaded biblatex
@Gnintendo You may need to set also biburllcpenalty
 
do I need to set both, or does biburllcpenalty encompass biburlnumpenalty
@DavidCarlisle Back to that \small{} thing you were commenting on, does it matter that I have an extra blank line before the \pagebreak?
 
@Gnintendo In the code I was looking at there was no blank line or pagebreak in the scope of small
 
@DavidCarlisle I mean, does it matter that I did
\null
\vfill
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[width=0.25\columnwidth]{by-nc-sa.eps}\par
\small{}\MyTitle{} by \MyAuthor{} is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. To view a copy of this license, visit \url{creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0}.
\end{center}

\pagebreak
isntead of
\null
\vfill
\begin{center}
\includegraphics[width=0.25\columnwidth]{by-nc-sa.eps}\par
\small{}\MyTitle{} by \MyAuthor{} is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. To view a copy of this license, visit \url{creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0}.
\end{center}
\pagebreak
 
@Gnintendo That pagebreak command is outside the center env (and outside the {} group) so irrelevant to this paragraph, but even if in scope page breaking in TeX never affects paragraph setting. paragraphs are broken into lines and placed on a scroll which only later is cut into pages by the output routine.
 
@DavidCarlisle OK, and another question that's been gnawing at me for ages:
Does it matter that I do
 
9:39 PM
as posted above it is fine, as you originally linked to it there was a spurious {} group around the small text
 
\section{Egyptian}\label{egyptian}

Overview of \nameref{egyptian} art will go here.
instead of
\section{Egyptian}\label{egyptian}
Overview of \nameref{egyptian} art will go here.
 
No it's same thing (but I'd put the label inside the section) \section{Egyptian\label{egyptian}} (although that's usually more important for captions)
 
what's the difference that putting the label inside it makes?
oh, I couldn't access it in a caption if I didn't do that?
 
\label makes a non-immediate write so it can write the page number to the aux file. that means it puts a whatsit mode node into the current list. It's much safer to put whatsit nodes into horizontal lists than vertical lists (just because it is) so if you stick the label in with the text the node ends up in the horizontal list of the title text, but if you put it after \section it goes into the vertical list.
whether than affects the visible spacing depends on stuff that you don't want to think about. (and the system is telling me off that the comments are too long already:-)
 
ok, thanks :)
man, luatex takes FOREVER to compile
and I have a brand new i7 ivy bridge processor
@ℝaphink libertineotf doesn't have bold italicized?
also, what should I do about this last, albeit relatively small, overfull hbox?:
 
10:08 PM
Hello folks!
@StefanKottwitz I sincerely apologise for taking this long to reply. How is the baby? Hope he is healthy and all... I am doing fine ...
Bah... I reply and Stefan's gravatar flies off. :(
And, Python assignment done. (Taking this course from Coursera...)
 
@Gnintendo \hyphenation{Sept-em-ber} ?
 
@DavidCarlisle but I didn't even type out September, not even in the bibliography: the word is generated from the numerical date I gave
(in the bibliography)
 
@Gnintendo doesn't matter how it was generated, the command just tells tex how to hyphenate it (put it in the preamble)
 
@PeterGrill Thanks for your suggestions, I'll look into them now.
I had to run to class ...
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, thanks
 
10:17 PM
What tikz library do I need for: /tikz/angle. Is there a way to just load ALL tikz libraries?
 
10:39 PM
let's say I installed and used EB Garamond like this:
\usepackage{fontspec}
\fontspec{EB Garamond}
If somebody who doesn't have that font loads the document, what will they see?
 
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
! fontspec error: "font-not-found"
!
! The font "EB Garamond" cannot be found.
!
! See the fontspec documentation for further information.
!
! For immediate help type H <return>.
!...............................................

l.4 \fontspec{EB Garamond}

?
 
@DavidCarlisle No, I mean loads the pdf
 
@Gnintendo people who carry on and make a pdf after an error deserve what they get
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@DavidCarlisle No...I mean people who look at the pdf that I made when I had the font
 
@Gnintendo The font is (partially) embedded in the PDF, people will see the right thing.
 
10:44 PM
ok, thanks
(I always wondered that... :s )
 
@Gnintendo ah. as @egreg says .
 
@Peter I am done editing that answer. This time I had used \; and things like that for some spacing here and there... (when would {} work to space things well?)
 
If the font I'm using is free to distribute, is there a way I can include it directly in my project if I have all the .otf files and use it as such when compiling?
preferably in a font subdirectory?
 
Later folks. :) Got to do some work here...
 
@KannappanSampath You really don't need to use \; to tweak spacing like that. You can use &{}\leqslant 5 for the last terms where the {} makes the \legslant think there is something on both sides so that you get the correct math spacing.
 
11:07 PM
ahh
the font I downloaded doesn't seem to be the font "EBGaramond" is grabbing by fontspec
umm
headscratch
 
11:29 PM
What should I do since this font isn't doing the double and triple hyphens correctly?: gabmedia.org/ArtStudyGuide.pdf
see:
Additionally, how should I handle the font for the section titles etc. since EB Garamond isn't doing them?
 
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