TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

02:02

@Skillmon "resizing maths with \resizebox is just plain evil" made me laugh out loud :). Thanks for the feedback - then I will not follow this GitHub repository.

Rmano

05:33

@DavidCarlisle nothing beats \, in symmetry...

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mickep

06:00

@DavidCarlisle What would this user do if eqnarray was removed? tex.stackexchange.com/q/647684/52406

David Carlisle

07:02

@mickep switch to conetext?

mickep

@DavidCarlisle Oh no, poor user.

I am curious on why someone "sadly has to use the outdated eqnarray instead of align for many reasons". But I will not interfer and ask.

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David Carlisle

@mickep reasons can be wrong but still numerous

every time I open the main site firefox closes and sends a crash report to mozilla:(

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle shocked by the evil palindrom?

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer possibly, but very consistent even after rebooting

mickep

07:20

@DavidCarlisle I thought you used emacs.

TeXnician

Interesting new project for pandoc users who want MD→HTML conversion with LaTeX fragments and custom fonts etc.: github.com/ma-chengyuan/just-latex

David Carlisle

@mickep They stopped including w3-mode by default, shame it was a nice browser and quicker than mosaic on many pages

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle, @UlrikeFischer Still seems like the case changing code update is OK :)

@UlrikeFischer I see you are going to talk about spot colours ...

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright it broke one of my hyperref tests. $a=b$ is not longer converted to $A=B$ ;-). Btw do you have an idea why I get such diffs:

***** .\BUILD\TEST-CONFIG-3\refstarred-hyperref.luatex.tlg
    5:  ->\IfBooleanTF {#1}{\@refstar }{\T@ref }.
    6:  > \Ref=document command:
***** .\BUILD\TEST-CONFIG-3\REFSTARRED-HYPERREF.LUATEX.LOG
    5:  ->\IfBooleanTF {#1}{\@refstar }{\T@ref }.
    6:  <recently read> }
    7:  l. ...\ShowCommand\ref
    8:  > \Ref=document command:
*****

David Carlisle

@JosephWright we'll see how many issues come in to textcase, for which I need that label

Joseph Wright

07:33

@DavidCarlisle :)

@UlrikeFischer No ... something altered in \ShowCommand?

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I thought I could make some use of the hours I spent to work around various colorspace/xcolor/pgf incompabilities and bugging @MarcelKrüger to add support in luaotfload.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer We should finalise l3color as the way forward: spot colours should then 'just work'

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright spot colors work in l3color. That is not really the problem. The problem is to use l3color with pgf. If pgf would simply use "official" (x)color interfaces it would be (rather) trivial. But it has in various places low-level code to extract/convert fill and stroke components.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Ah, right, yes, but probably because color (unlike l3color) doesn't have interfaces for fill and stroke separately

@UlrikeFischer All sortable if we make the commitment, I suspect

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright and the other problems are objects like shadings and pattern: there are rgb and with some struggles cmyk. But that means you can only use grayscale.

Joseph Wright

07:40

@UlrikeFischer Ah, yes: I'm meaning to look at those for l3draw

mickep

@DavidCarlisle oh no.

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright yes but we would imho also need the commitment of the pgf people. It is imho rather hard to do it all from the outside.

David Carlisle

07:54

I gave up with academia.com years ago but they still email from time to time, I like this one that just came in...

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Sigh

yo'

@DavidCarlisle very cool! In particular getting synced to 9s from 6s in a bit over a day :)

David Carlisle

I'm sure everything I wrote in 97 is still true

@yo' lucky coincidence?

yo'

@DavidCarlisle don't take me wrong, but I don't believe in these :D

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Probably

@DavidCarlisle latex-project.org/publications/… right?

David Carlisle

08:02

@JosephWright they don't appear to tell where they found it, I was going to google for it, so no idea:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle ??

@DavidCarlisle Ah right

@DavidCarlisle I meant 'most of it is still right', mainly

David Carlisle

@JosephWright that may have been an accurate description of the paper at the time:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright seems to be in texlive I get

> \blub=document command:
#1:s
#2:m
->zzzz.
<recently read> }

l.55 \ShowCommand\blub

and in miktex which is still older

> \blub=document command:
  #1:s
  #2:m
->zzzz.

So I can probably blame @PhelypeOleinik ?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Looks good to me ;)

Joseph Wright

08:27

@DavidCarlisle It's interesting how much carried through: it's all spot-on up to the refactor just after I joined the team

@UlrikeFischer I do wonder when we'll get the first bug report that $a$ is no longer case changed ...

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer I think it works if you load luaotfload-l3color without the l3opacity part (or maybe try to load all of it and don't use transparency). That should happen automatically once this gets into a better space.

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger what do you mean by loading it without l3opacity? I don't load anything explicitly here. I mean if we want to update luaotfload then standard documents not using new code shouldn't break. (It doesn't work without the patched fontspec either but it works with the current luaotfload).

Marcel Krüger

If it doesn't work without the patched fontspec then that should be fixed, is supposed to be fully backwards compatible (except for some error handling)

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger ok let me check again ;-)

@MarcelKrüger I still don't get colors and I get warnings. And I think I use all the correct files. Can't you reproduce it?

@MarcelKrüger oh now it disappear after I disabled Franks tree. I need to check what it there.

Paulo Cereda

08:48

@UlrikeFischer ooh die Eiche

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer I can reproduce (interestingly only for color, transparency seems to work) with current TeX Live even without my luaotfload changes...

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger well in my case it was due to a local version of the patched fontspec-luatex.sty. So what can we do here? without l3color/pdfmanagement one needs the unpatched fontspec and with one needs a patched fontspec.

Marcel Krüger

I take my issue back, I had forgotten that color names only work with xcolor.

@UlrikeFischer Am I right to assume that currently the unpatched fontspec always works when the old version worked and the patched fontspec is only needed when new behavior is wanted?

Then it should be easy to release the new luaotfload, then update l3color to automatically load something like luaotfload-l3color and then finally update fontspec.

Joseph Wright

@MarcelKrüger Sounds good

Ulrike Fischer

09:08

@MarcelKrüger but l3color is in the kernel, so if loads l3color.lua it will probably break something if the pdfmanagement is not loaded too. So probably we should put the code first into pdfresources: if the pdfmanagement is loaded it can load the lua code and trigger the patch in fontspec.

Gaussler

I’m hereby founding the International Society Against Mismatched Text And Math Fonts (ISAMTAMF). Who is with me?

David Carlisle

@Gaussler 𝙼𝘢𝘁𝕔𝒉𝕖𝕕 𝕗𝙤𝘯𝓉𝖘 𝙖𝗋𝘦 𝗶𝑚𝚙𝖔𝓇𝖙𝒂𝘯𝘵

Gaussler

@DavidCarlisle Indeed ;-). What I’m really, really tired of is people loading times for no reason and then don’t do anything about the math font, and the awkwardness of the whole setup never really seems to occur to them

Paulo Cereda

09:24

@DavidCarlisle oh

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda 𝘣𝘳𝖾𝓪𝑘𝚏𝒂𝔰𝗍

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle 𝙤𝒉 𝘯𝙤

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger this here breaks (without the patched fontspec):

\directlua{require"luaotfload-l3color.lua"}
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\usepackage{xcolor}
\setsansfont{texgyretermes}[Color=red,Opacity=0.1]
\begin{document}
TTT \sffamily MMM
\end{document}

! Undefined control sequence.
<recently read> IMPOSSIBLE.

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Paulo Cereda

09:42

@UlrikeFischer ooh

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger I think you should update luaotfload. And I put the loading of the l3color.lua and the fontspec patch into the pdfresources firstaid for now.

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer Great, but please move the entire luaotfload-l3color.lua there and don't just load it. I want to release without that file.

@UlrikeFischer That error should only be about the l3opacity parts (since they aren't fully activated without \DocumentMetadata. If you remove the l3opacity parts of the luaotfload-l3color.lua file then it should be safe to load it even without \DocumentMetadata and work with the new fontspec.

Ulrike Fischer

09:58

@MarcelKrüger copied. I will rename it so that it is clear that is at a temporary location.

@MarcelKrüger yes I guessed that. We should perhaps split it later.

Joseph Wright

10:17

@DavidCarlisle anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/CTAN/macros/luatex/latex/… - see the quote

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Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright @MarcelKrüger did anyone check these packages? I took a look at the spacekern package from this author and directly managed to get an error in a tikz picture with \duck; in the code so I'm a bit vary.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer I've not looked

Henri Menke

10:33

\documentclass{ltxdoc}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\begin{document}
\end{document}

! LaTeX Error: Option clash for package hyperref.

See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
 ...

l.54 ]{hyperref}[2002/05/09]
                            %
?

What is this?

Happens on the latest IoT Docker image (81a2564ec8cb).

Skillmon

10:48

@JosephWright what's with the monospaced es in this PDF?

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon ???

Skillmon

@JosephWright ^^^

Strange fat e.

Marcel Krüger

@Skillmon Looks fine on my system.

mickep

@Skillmon ^ This is how it looks here.

Ulrike Fischer

@HenriMenke ltxdoc now loads hyperref (but with other options)

Skillmon

11:02

@mickep zooming in fixes it, PDF.js was messing up

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer We get the same issue in luaotfload... Shouldn't \usepackage{hyperref} (without any options) be ignored if hyperref is already loaded?

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger I would have to adapt hyperref to the new key system. I can take a look later.

Henri Menke

@MarcelKrüger @UlrikeFischer Could it do \PassOptionsToPackage or \hypersetup instead? The new behavior broke all the manuals for the different PGF packages.

Phelype Oleinik

11:28

@UlrikeFischer I haven't changed \ShowCommand in a while. The last change was adding ltcmd support. I can take a look though, what test is that?

David Carlisle

12:06

@JosephWright :-)

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik I suspect more a change in NewDocumentCommand and friends. Something simple as that is enough:

\documentclass{report}

\NewDocumentCommand\blub{}{xx}
\ShowCommand\blub
\begin{document}

\end{document}

with the new latex it show additional lines in the log:

> \blub=expandable document command:
->xx.
<recently read> } %<--------- new
                           %<---------- new
l.53 \ShowCommand\blub %<----------new

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer Oh, three lines are printed by the engine, with very little control at the macro level. Those lines should always appear...

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik well they didn't before, that's why my tests broke.

Phelype Oleinik

12:24

@UlrikeFischer The tests were wrong before :)

Joseph Wright

@PhelypeOleinik :)

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik in miktex which has still 2021-11-15 I get this:

> \blub=expandable document command:
->xx.

(C:\Users\Nililand2020\AppData

@MarcelKrüger I looked at it. hyperref is actually not loaded yet. doc loads hypdoc only at begin document so if hyperref would use the new key processing (which is lots of work) one would loose all the hypdoc option. Imho the only way to avoid the error would be to change doc to pass the hypdoc options to all subsequent calls.

@HenriMenke there was already an issue about this, github.com/latex3/latex2e/issues/822. If you want some change here you should perhaps comment there.

@JosephWright is the documentation of l3keys2e actually up-to-date?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Er, I think so

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright but it doesn't mention the new optional argument?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer That's not l3keys2e, that's the kernel code

Ulrike Fischer

12:38

@JosephWright oh, one s less ;-)

a bit confusing.

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer ah, got it

@UlrikeFischer github.com/latex3/latex2e/issues/739

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik oh my. You want to blame me.

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer obviously ;-)

@UlrikeFischer On 2021-11-15 It used \iow_term:n, so the error context lines don't appear. Now it uses \tl_show:n, which stops as an error

Gaussler

13:23

@egreg This sounds like a job for you. In particular, how can you measure the height of \delimsize| without accidentally opening a new math environment?

egreg

@Gaussler How in earth one would want a dashed line instead of a colon or a bar?

mickep

@egreg Haven't you always wished for a green - white - red one?

Gaussler

@egreg I could think of cases where such a notation could be desirable, in order to distinguish it from the standard set construction notation. Perhaps you are doing higher category theory and want the \infty-subcategory where some relation holds only up to homotopy or something?

egreg

@Gaussler I disagree. Anyway, look at the proposal.

samcarter

@mickep green - white - red? This sounds like a good starting point for an xmas math package :)

mickep

13:36

@samcarter I was thinking of the Italian flag, but if the Christmas entry is more motivating, why not? :)

samcarter

@mickep depending on the season, it could be used for both :)

mickep

@samcarter Even more motivation.

Paulo Cereda

ooh

Gaussler

14:29

@egreg I tried updating your answer to allow automatic scaling, but the solution cannot detect `\displaystyle`. Can this be fixed somehow?
```
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{mathtools}

\ExplSyntaxOn
\DeclarePairedDelimiterX\set [2] \lbrace \rbrace
{
\mspace{1.5mu}
#1
\tl_if_blank:nF { #2 } { \mathrel{\dashedsep{#1}{#2}{\delimsize}} #2 }
\mspace{1.5mu}
}
\ExplSyntaxOff

\makeatletter
\newcommand{\dashedsep}[3]{%
\sbox0{$\m@th\left.#1#3\vert#2\right.$}%
\vcenter to \dimexpr \ht0+\dp0 {\offinterlineskip

Not sure what went wrong with my code markers

egreg

@Gaussler Oh, well, it doesn't work with \left and \right. For that you need to measure the whole formula in advance.

Gaussler

@egreg That’s what I’m doing in the above example, more or less. The problem is that it cannot detect \displaystyle

Is there some \getstyle command?

egreg

@Gaussler Long detour with \mathchoice…

Gaussler

@egreg Omg

Henri Menke

14:56

@UlrikeFischer So Frank (or someone else) pushed the breaking release but not the release notes. So everybody's documentation is now broken and nobody knows why.

David Carlisle

@Gaussler you used ``` which is not supported here. chat markdown is as much like q&a markdown as javascipt is like java....

Gaussler

@DavidCarlisle Javascript always did remind me so very much of an Indonesian island

David Carlisle

@MarcelKrüger (@HenriMenke) we should probably make that happen, currently it isloading \AtBeginDocument so after the no-option load in the preamble

@Gaussler Java was supposed to

Gaussler

@DavidCarlisle A bit the same way as I pronounced your name “Carlizzle” for the first five years or so, before someone broke the truth to me ;-)

David Carlisle

@Gaussler we did same between my siblings, just to be annoying

Ulrike Fischer

15:08

@DavidCarlisle I can adapt hypdoc to test and give a warning if hyperref has already been loaded. Then it is up to the user to setup the right options. Would that be ok?

David Carlisle

@HenriMenke Better description would be a change which had no reported issues in some weeks of latex-dev testing shows some after full release. workaround being just remove hyperref, but we can (probably) make the unchanged file not error, especially if you report an issue.

@UlrikeFischer but that is just the option clash error with different words. I think better might be to simply not load hyperref if already loaded

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle yes I meant that, but along with a warning that some options from hypdoc are missing because of this.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer oh ok

Henri Menke

@DavidCarlisle Some of my packages (in this case pgf-pie) move very slowly, so it is entirely possible that even if I used latex-dev to build the documentation I would miss the interval in which the breaking change is only in latex-dev. The other problem is that the error message is just a generic option clash with no further traceback and there are no new release notes on latex-project.org/news/latex2e-news.

Gaussler

@DavidCarlisle Well, you can always try to mimic Hyacinth Bucket and insist that this is the proper pronunciation of your name, just to keep up appearances and you know

David Carlisle

15:17

@HenriMenke yes I know, but it is hard to test every combination so we do what we can with dev testing. If bad interactions forseen we would probably have avoided them not documented them, only way to never have unexpected consequences is never change anything. we tried that 2000-2015, but that not a total win either.

Ulrike Fischer

@HenriMenke @DavidCarlisle I added the change and will build and push after I had some tea ...

mickep

@UlrikeFischer It is important with tea.

samcarter

@Gaussler There is a whole series of educational videos on how to pronounce Carlisle youtube.com/watch?v=jSDTxbTrHqE&t=59s (the entertaining effect of the tv series was clearly only a side effect of this :) )

Gaussler

@samcarter ;-). Well, they are hopefully doing a better job than Game of Thrones is when trying to teach us how to pronounce “Tyrell”.

Paulo Cereda

@mickep it definitely gives a lot of tranquili-tea

Gaussler

15:27

I believe they have about four or five in-universe pronuncations

samcarter

@Gaussler :)

Gaussler

@samcarter Otherwise, you can imagine how confused the Icelandic must be when they go to school and learn that the name they are used to calling their country means “island” in English (in Icelandic, there is an accent on the I, but not in other languages like Danish)

samcarter

15:47

@Gaussler the German word for "Iceland" is "Island" :)

mickep

@PauloCereda Oh, you are on fire today!

Paulo Cereda

15:58

@mickep ooh

Paulo Cereda

16:13

@UlrikeFischer ooh twitter.com/hyxpk/status/1536740258565353474

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle v v v

\documentclass{ltxdoc}
\usepackage{csquotes}

\begin{document}
aa
\end{document}

! LaTeX Error: Command \enquote already defined.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Ooops

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer "only way to never have unexpected consequences is never change anything."

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Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle ;-) I would suggest to surround the \providecommand by \AtBeginDocument ...

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer if only csquotes had used \def like a proper package

Ulrike Fischer

16:26

@DavidCarlisle blame @JosephWright

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer sounds about right

@UlrikeFischer that doesn't seem fair

Paulo Cereda

Nov 27, 2020 at 21:16, by Paulo Cereda

Apr 10 '18 at 13:16, by Paulo Cereda

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Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle github.com/josephwright/csquotes

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer still seems a poor excuse for not blaming the usual culprit

Ulrike Fischer

hypdoc on the way to ctan.

Paulo Cereda

17:12

2

yo'

17:23

I wonder, is there an explanation of the output of \tracingparagraphs somewhere?

Marcel Krüger

@yo' It's explained in the TeXbook between exercises 14.11 and 14.12.

David Carlisle

17:39

@PauloCereda shame, you can't eat cats

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle will you make the fix? You already know how it works with a hotfix ;-)

Faheem Mitha

I ran into an issue which is probably a dupe of tex.stackexchange.com/q/122808/3406

Example code is gist.github.com/c883f322b7d04de946d46561f35cd9c2

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer move all of these inside the hook?

\providecommand\url{\texttt}
\def\task#1#2{}
\providecommand\LuaTeX{Lua\TeX}
\providecommand\cls{\textsf}
\providecommand\pkg{\textsf}
\providecommand\enquote[1]{``#1''}
\DeclareRobustCommand\cs[1]{\texttt{\bslash\detokenize{#1}}}%
\AtBeginDocument{%
  \renewcommand\PrintMacroName[1]{\MacroFont\detokenize{#1}}%
  }

Faheem Mitha

Can anyone confirm this a dupe? Is it worth posting a new question? If it isn't clear, the issue is that pgfkeys strips a pair of braces for no reason, that I can see. And did anyone ever report this?

Ulrike Fischer

17:47

@DavidCarlisle Frank seems to be on the work too so better ask him ...

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh fishing

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer or do nothing

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle and wait for the issue to solve itself?

David Carlisle

is the enquote test reported anywhere?

Paulo Cereda

I like this plan

David Carlisle

17:49

@PauloCereda usually works

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle no I didn't create an issue.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I just caught up with email and saw discussion there

barbara beeton

19:05

@DavidCarlisle or someone intimately familiar with how \trivlist works: For this question, I suspect that \trivlist is started with a \vspace instead of \addvspace. but my laptop keeps hanging while trying to research the definitions in latex.ltx. If that's so, please post an answer; after an hour of rebootiing the laptop, I'm a bit stymied.

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton which question about lists?

tush

I just discovered a new page specification in TeX called "textblock". Can anyone refer me to how it is defined? By what command?

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- the complaint that there's such a large gap between a display and a following itemize, more than between an equation and a following paragraph: tex.stackexchange.com/q/615437

@DavidCarlisle -- sorry about that (leaving off the link); this misbehaving laptop has got me rattled.

CroCo

Hi everyone, how to elongate figures beautifully something like this

tush

@tush Is it related to tempdima?

David Carlisle

19:14

@barbarabeeton starting a paragraph with a math display never works well, the list is just a special case of that probably

@tush it is not a standard latex term

mickep

@CroCo Is it something in particular with those plots that you want to do that you cannot?

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- But the display in the example is at the end of the previous paragraph, before the list.

David Carlisle

@tush ?? \@tempdima is just a scratch length for local use, and has no general meaning in latex

tush

I couldn't find it in the index of the TeX book. And not in source2e.dtx
Could you give me more info about it?

CroCo

@mickep I'm trying to upload mine but it failed to upload it here.

David Carlisle

19:17

@barbarabeeton I'll look in a bit

tush

Hmm.. I guess that `temp` stands for temporary..
Either way, could you give me a bit of info about what a textblock is?

I couldn't find it in the index of the TeX book. And not in source2e.dtx
Could you give me more info about it?

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- Thanks. I'd really like to know the answer too.

mickep

@CroCo Do you want to upload an image to a question?

@tush Isn't the textblock just where the text goes (not headers/footers/margins)?

David Carlisle

@tush no I have no idea what you mean, a "text block" is a general english term for a block of text but no special meaning in latex

CroCo

tush

19:20

@mickep I discovered about it exactly in this context.

CroCo

this is mine.

but I feel if I squeeze it, it will affect the quality.

I think one way is to change the initial values of the experiment and increase the running time. :>

mickep

@CroCo So, the aspect ratio could be better. You are wasting a lot of vertical space with the legend. If you remove that and change the aspect ratio it will look better.

CroCo

@mickep I think the problem with green initial value.

tush

@mickep I am writing my own cls file and until now I set up only the paper size with pdfpageheight and pdfpagewidth. But apparently this is not enough to fully specify the document boxes?

David Carlisle

@CroCo hopefully they were not stretched by latex, but generated that size

CroCo

19:25

@DavidCarlisle this is my guess because I've checked their initial values and they are close to each other.

mickep

@CroCo Sorry, I simply do not understand what you are asking for. I hope someone else does.

Ulrike Fischer

@tush read the documentation of geometry.

CroCo

@mickep the first picture I've posted taking the entire 4A paper but they look beautiful.

mickep

@tush Oh, I never looked closer at any cls files. I suggest you do as @UlrikeFischer tells you, and perhaps also look how they existing classes do to set this up.

tush

@mickep I hovered over the article.cls file and size10.clo file but I don't understand what else is missing.

CroCo

19:27

Is it possible they are stretched?

This is from the pdf

mickep

@CroCo So it is the aspect ratio you want to change? You want your plot wider and not so tall?

CroCo

My question is more art than latex. :)

Do we have artists here?

sorry for this tall order.

I gave up Matlab because their figures are horrible.

tush

@UlrikeFischer Aha! pdfvorigin and pdfhorigin!

mickep

@CroCo One can read about these kind of questions in Tufte's books.

David Carlisle

@CroCo my artistic skills are well known

Ulrike Fischer

19:38

@tush I doubt that you need to set them.

tush

@UlrikeFischer Actually when I set them to 0 I get this: i.sstatic.net/txz2o.png . I want the Lorem ipsum to begin at the left-most side of the page, as it begins with the up-most part of it.

CroCo

@DavidCarlisle dudddde. I laughed so hard. what the hell was that

David Carlisle

@CroCo unlikely the text is not distorted, but surely any plotting software (you have not said what you are using) lets you control the scale of x and y axes so you can make a long thin plot

CroCo

David Carlisle

@CroCo use that instead of those boring plots. Your readers will be happier.

CroCo

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@DavidCarlisle "Never Let Them Know Your Next Move" I may surprise them with that

tush

@UlrikeFischer The documentation says that paperwidth = left + text width + right. What are left and right in this context of a bare cls file is I work on?

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