@user49915 -- thanks for the congratulations. but it's not really so special when you consider that for a very long time i was dek's official tex bug collector. and also that what i consider the "best" bug i ever caught wasn't officially rewarded, because it was caught on a prepublication version of the texbook.

@DavidCarlisle -- nah, blame murray sargent for not believing me that both are needed at times in the same document. (i expect \mathcal to be accepted before i retire, but only as a variant form -- they don't want to waste their precious unique codes.)

Hellooo, someone wanna play Pinturillo now?

@manooooh Sorry, no time, I have to go to work early today!

@CarLaTeX no problem! Another day. Yesterday and today in my university there was final exams, so I am not going until today. If not I couldn't ask to play Pinturillo! Enjoy the job

@manooooh Let's play tomorrow! Ciao!

@DavidCarlisle new luaotfload nearly finished. I plan an update today.

@manooooh I wanna play a game: I wish my appartment to have new wiring, new doors and new paint now! :D

@PauloCereda I think you're following the wrong samcarter on GitHub. Did you mean github.com/samcarter8 ?

@UlrikeFischer Cool

@barbarabeeton boo that's the worst kind of compromise. The math alphabets could all have been done as a math variant following the normal ascii codes, or (as they did it) by adding new distinct alphabet ranges. But now adding new alphabets as variant selectors following math alphabet codepoints is just going to make @WillRobertson's life harder.

@JosephWright do I imaging it or did @DavidCarlisle mention that you exclude some tests in the latex suite on travis only?

@UlrikeFischer you imagined it. in latex2e/base we have two test configurations, the original one (in testfiles) and a second in testfiles-TU that allows wider access to eg fontspec and OTF fonts that are not in the core distribution

@DavidCarlisle Good that explains why I can't find anything. I think I will add some test to detect travis and add a switch in build.lua.

@UlrikeFischer why do you need travis specific tests?

@DavidCarlisle I don't need travis specific tests but some specific local tests (luatexja e.g. doesn't work on travis for some reason), so I want to exclude the problematic tests on travis.

@DavidCarlisle That would be annoying indeed as your testing showed the variant selector didn't really work in XeTeX right? Could work around it by doing things like making everything math-active with definitions like \mathbin{\text{<SLOT><VARIANT SELECTOR}} ... but yes, like you say — "harder" :)

@DavidCarlisle I'm annoyed that the discussion around sans greek didn't go anywhere, that seemed so close to being implemented. IMO it would be a big improvement as we could then "fake" sans maths for presentations and so on without needing entirely new fonts.

@WillRobertson should this work now? because it doesn't for me. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/364310/…

Hello @DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle Quick question: Why do you have \expandafter\ifx\csname @let@token\endcsname#1 instead of \ifx\@let@token#1 in the definition of \@xspace@check@token?

@DavidCarlisle I would guess that it's in case \@let@token is undefined, but I can't see why it would be undefined there...

@PhelypeOleinik morten's code but avoiding \outer I would guess.

@PhelypeOleinik and my guess is right and documented!

% \changes{v1.11}{2006/02/12}{Modified so the \cs{@let@token} can be
%   \cs{outer}}

@DavidCarlisle Ooh, \changes. Shame on me, I didn't look there :/

@DavidCarlisle What would \outer do there?

@PhelypeOleinik no not \outer but any token defined to be \outer (of which there are virtually none left now but for example a form feed character ^^L would have been outer at the time)

@PhelypeOleinik try without that and have \outer\def\zzzz{} then put \zzzz after the xspace...

@DavidCarlisle There were quite a few commits to the ho-tex repo and these got rolled into a CTAN release yesterday. That came just in time for my submission

@Krishna wow you really like living dangerously don't you:-) I am sure recommended practice is never to a tlmgr update within a year of submission:-)

Hehe

@DavidCarlisle last night was an all-nighter. Uploaded this morning at 8 AM before going to bed. Done and dusted :)

I had to use xetex to get the Sanskrit to print correctly

and guess what, it doesn't work with polygglossia

@DavidCarlisle Ooh, I got it, an outer macro isn't supposed to be absorbed as argument, if it does the \ifx breaks

@DavidCarlisle Thanks! :D

My daily cron job is to tlmgr update --all --self before I fire up vim

@Krishna I worked on it a bit: github.com/u-fischer/luaotfload/issues/9

@Krishna surprising you ever got anything written at all given that choice of "editor"

@Krishna so you went for an image rather than typesetting with xetex or luatex for that bit? (I have seen that image before I think)

@UlrikeFischer plan b :-)

No no

@DavidCarlisle not an image...sorry for the poor resolution. That was a screenshot on my phone to send it to my friends for show-off

@DavidCarlisle plan e): perhaps @MarcelKrüger can look at it ... ;-)

@DavidCarlisle I typeset the page with the "thaliyola" and "narayam" with xetex using my appropriately pruned thesis Preamble.

I set pagestyle to empty to not have page numbering

it didn't anyway matter

Then I did pdfcrop on the Wikimedia commons image

Sorry ....I confused you.,..lack of sleep

@DavidCarlisle new luaotfload on ctan ...

@UlrikeFischer thanks

So...1. Used gimp to add a transparency/alpha channel to the (originallly non-transparent) jpg image. Saved as png retaining transparency

2. Typeset full page with xetex using overpic. With Babel since polyglossia did not work and threw up errors

@Krishna I meant the one from wikipedia with the pen and some text

3. Then pdfcrop on the typeset page to obtain a small pdf

@DavidCarlisle the announcement message says (beside others) "In the documentation a few typos, faulty links and bookmarks and the tail of the marmot have been corrected." ;-)

4. and then include in my luatex thesis after the \shapepar

using includegraphics

@Krishna ah I see now sorry the words you added

@UlrikeFischer thank you

Came a day too late....but no worries.....I shall use it for my final upload though

@UlrikeFischer keeping the most important part of the announcement til last

@DavidCarlisle and @UlrikeFischer all of you rock!

@DavidCarlisle Curiously, the interpreter threw errors unless the shapepar and the includegraphics were enclosed within a minipage. Do you know why?

I spent 2.5 hours (my brain was tired. It was 3:30 AM you know) trying to debug this on the day of my submission

@Krishna सभी त्रुटियों के लिए Ulrike दोष

:)

@Krishna was it even close?

Actually pretty good

But this is Hindi rather than sanskrit

@Krishna I know but it was the nearest they had on offer

Hindi is language of the mortals

Sanskrit isn't...well there are about 10k people who speak it as a secondary language

@Krishna presumably immortals don't need google translate

hehe

@DavidCarlisle Sanskrit is the language of the Gods

and the Vedas, the shastras, the puranas, the itihasas are all written in it

Shreevatsa R probably knows more about it than me

@Krishna Should I in the issue write "sanskrit" or "hindi" or "devanagari"? (I'm completly lost in this scripts... the only thing I can do it compare the shapes).

@UlrikeFischer Sanskrit and Hindi are name of the languages

Devanagari is the name of the script

Just like we have Latin alphabets for a whole bunch of languages

@Krishna then it is probably better to write "devanagari". The xelatex and the context example differ in the arc above the "epsilon" in the first line and at the end of the second line. Which output is correct?

The context output is completely wrong

It is horrible infact

The xelatex output is just perfect. No scholar should do better

and lualatex output is a joke

@Krishna what do you mean by horrible? Apart from the two arcs which are bit longer it is identical to the xelatex output.

@UlrikeFischer I don't even know any more! Sorry :( I'll try to check up next time I have time to dive into the code. It could be that it never worked, or it worked briefly and then I changed something and it broke again...

@WillRobertson as long as @DavidCarlisle can not blame me ...;-)

@PhelypeOleinik Thanks for your edit!

@santimirandarp Perhaps: tex.stackexchange.com/q/452514/134574

@marmot You're welcome :)

@santimirandarp and quite unneeded. Why don't you use simply three \includegraphics commands?

@santimirandarp I am surprised to hear that tabular "does not work". What precisely does not work?

@santimirandarp Actually It's not, you just copy the definition and use it. But there are certainly simpler ways. Use three \includegraphics[width=0.333\textwidth]{figure-name-here}%. No tabular needed.

@santimirandarp ?? Why should this matter? three graphics are three graphics.

@santimirandarp images are positioned by exactly the same logic as letters, they go side by side by default

@santimirandarp \includegraphics{a}\includegraphics{b}\includegraphics{c} puts three images side by side, it's not very complicated

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\begin{document}
\noindent
\includegraphics[page=1,width=0.32\textwidth]{example-image-duck}\hfill
\includegraphics[page=2,width=0.32\textwidth]{example-image-duck}\hfill
\includegraphics[page=3,width=0.32\textwidth]{example-image-duck}
\end{document}

@santimirandarp surely you get an error message from that, you can not use figure in a tabular!

@santimirandarp ^^^^

@marmot it may work but it's not latex

@santimirandarp well put three minipages side by side (via the same thing) and put an image and caption in each

@santimirandarp one caption for all three or three captions

@DavidCarlisle Yes but it does the alignment.

@santimirandarp There exists subcaption for that purpose.

@marmot it's still not latex:-)

@santimirandarp you didn't ask about caption but how to put graphics side by side.

@DavidCarlisle As long as it works....

@marmot no:-)

@DavidCarlisle When you are saying it is not latex, are you implying it is word? ;-)

@santimirandarp marmot's code answered your original question it wouldn't allow three captions without adding minipages or similar

@DavidCarlisle A second row with \captionof{figure}{...} would do.

@marmot Word users can be forgiven, they know no better. Beings that poke tex primitives into unsupported places in a latex document deserve no sympathy when it all goes wrong.

@marmot no you can't have a caption in a c column you need to get into vmode

@santimirandarp as David said: use e.g. minipage:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\begin{document}
\begin{figure}
\begin{minipage}{0.32\textwidth}
\includegraphics[page=1,width=\linewidth]{example-image-duck}
\caption{image 1}
\end{minipage}\hfill
\begin{minipage}{0.32\textwidth}
\includegraphics[page=2,width=\linewidth]{example-image-duck}
\caption{image 2}
\end{minipage}\hfill
\begin{minipage}{0.32\textwidth}
\includegraphics[page=3,width=\linewidth]{example-image-duck}
\caption{image3}
\end{minipage}
\end{figure}
\end{document}

@Skillmon Did you see this?

While we are on the topic of multiple captions per float, is there a package that would allow one float to contain a figure and a table? I.e., two captions, one generating “Figure …” and the other generating “Table …”? I have long seen the lack of such capability as a serious shortcoming of LaTeX, though I have to admit I haven't actually needed it myself – yet.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen you can simply use e.g. \captionof{table}{this table ...} inside a figure.

@UlrikeFischer Does it need some package? ↓↓

⬥ latexdef '\captionof'

\captionof:
undefined

@HaraldHanche-Olsen yes e.g. caption. without any package you would have to redefine locally \@captype.

@UlrikeFischer Looking in the latex source, it seems easy to write your own, however.

@UlrikeFischer Oh, I see. texdoc caption reveals the existence of a small package capt-of. Just what I was hoping to find.

@UlrikeFischer s/small/tiny/ …

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ;-). I normally either use caption or the koma-classes which both have captionof, so I seldom need capt-of.

@boycott.se-yo' hahaha let's do it!! It will take a few hours but it's more realistic :p

@marmot no, not up to now. The statement that I'm the owner of the code is wrong though. I only wrote the expl3 macro, the TikZ code wasn't supplied by me.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen seems big to me, as author of indentfirst

@HaraldHanche-Olsen beware that the table in a figure will be kept in sequence with figures and so may float out of sequence with other tables

@Skillmon Ye, but before I interfered, there was no source of the code specified. BTW, did you try to simply switch off the page break with forest methods? (I did not try to look at the problem because I did not like how the OP acted and also I cannot load the code in my favorite editor because there are special characters in and with the other editors I am super slow.)

@marmot I never used forest before and didn't look at its documentation. OP provided the TikZ code with a reference to the source on TeX.SX over at TeXwelt. And writing the expl3 code wasn't that hard as it only consisted of parts I already wrote elsewhere (e.g. the \helmutW_process_verb_newline:nnn is from ducksay).

And to be fair again, I had help from @DavidCarlisle and @JosephWright while writing it (my first implementation was coded using some \lowercase magic and stuff :)

@Skillmon and both Joseph and I explictly don't require attribution if you use our code from this site tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1255/…

@DavidCarlisle also it was in chat further complicating things :) But I know that Meta post.

@manooooh few dozens of hours, I'm on the way there :-/

@boycott.se-yo' \renewappartment[door,wire,paint]

@UlrikeFischer Done, I've sent a PR. Next week I should be done with my Bachelor's thesis then I could take a look into the remaining difference to the XeLaTeX output, but it might be easier to raise this on the ConTeXt mailing list first.

Could sb hint at how to use sympytex? Doc says 'simply run Sympy', yet with the anaconda suite, I get no sympy.exe, like one does with the pythontex package. It certainly doesn't run from cmd, so it's not in the anaconda, nor the miktex directory. Or it's not named sympy.

@DavidCarlisle Meaning you don't want to get blamed if it doesn't work? ;-)

@marmot my code always works, just not always the way users expect

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I also think they should adjust their expectation to the result. ;-)

@marmot yes of course.

@DavidCarlisle How can I draw <s>a realistic plane</s>random collection of lines using the LaTeX picture mode. ;-)

@marmot you just need some \line commands

@manooooh You got two nice answers to tex.stackexchange.com/q/453586/121799 , what prevents you from accepting one? (I am asking to understand what's missing, not to go on your nerves. ;-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, precisely. And realistic planes need a lot of fuel, not something to go for given the climate change.

@MarcelKrüger oh perfect. I will merge and test as soon as possible. Just trying to clean-up the branches - I was so carefull to import the files in master to get a clean history and then I branched of dev from the old dev-2.9. and still have all the dirty stuff ;-).

@MarcelKrüger regarding the diff with xelatex output: everything that can also be reproduced with context should at first raised there. But perhaps not directly after I pushed so much about the PUA issue ;-).

\bibliography{} and \addbibresource{}, which one is supposed to be used with biblatex?

overleaf.com/learn/latex/Biblatex_citation_styles and overleaf.com/learn/latex/…

seems that they use different ones on those links, but they're both about biblatex, and not bibtex

ok ignore that, the second one is bibtex

@baxx \addbibresource

@DavidCarlisle thanks, that's what I've used... For some reason I thought both of those pages were biblatex, but the second is bibtex. All good

@baxx I see that the science ones are basically 'Some styles Joseph wrote' :)

@marmot yes yes I'm sorry!! I am making a video and that takes me several hours. When I vacate, I'll choose the best answer. Sorry!

@marmot and why did not you write an answer? :P I was waiting for yours

@manooooh There are already two and I do not see anything wrong with those (nor do I want to step on other's feet ;-) ... and no need to apologize ...

@marmot oh, ok, I saw that both answers draw the diagram with a non horizontal plane (I asked for an horizontal plane), but later I'm going to try to reproduce what I want

@manooooh I guess it will be very easy to undo the rotation (but I have not looked at the posts in detail).

@marmot ok, I hope so

@DavidCarlisle- it works, I see the error in my ways! I was comparing the correctly defined and expanded date to something which gets defined via \read in another instance of the cmd, so just a global fixed ev-ri-thing.

@Krishna lualatex looks better now: github.com/u-fischer/luaotfload/issues/9#issuecomment-426812487

You do not care about this, true, but you've become like a TeX senpai to me, so thanks

@marmot Thanks for your suggestion about blur shadow! Unfortunately this is what I get with it:

@samcarter I see. Sorry! This is not what I expected. Weird. Will remove my comment immediately.

@samcarter I was trying to answer another question of the user (no, this is not a request to upvote it!) but my problem is that I cannot copy her/his code, and nobody seems to be able to compile it anyway. And like you I do not understand this question of her/his but at least the code can be compiled.

@marmot The problem with the blur shadow seems to be caused by \begin{pgfonlayer}{background} \end{pgfonlayer} which is used in some other parts of the image. Do you happen to know if there is some documentation of the shadow.blur library? I searched in the tikz manual but could only find the normal shadow library.

@samcarter texdoc pgf-blur

@marmot Thanks!

@samcarter There are precisely two magic texdoc words I store in the ram of my marmot brain : texdoc pgf-blur and texdoc aobs (because it is not at all obvious how their manuals are named, at least not to me...)

@marmot Using the cmplete sines for the decoration line is a nice idea!

@samcarter Well, otherwise one has to tune the arms away....

@marmot That is much more than I can remember. I'm only able to remember which letters are in aobs, but never in which order :)

@samcarter But you know so many other words. I am limited to "hibernate", "eat", "aobs" and "pgf-blur" ;-)

@marmot For more words, you can always look into your crystal ball :)

@samcarter It got stolen.... :-(

@marmot Oh no! I'll keep an eye open on the main site in case a suspicious answer comes up!

@samcarter Thanks! (I guess the main problem is that, if the thief uses the crystal ball, (s)he will know you're doing that....)

@marmot Oh, that is tricky! I'll have to be very careful not to raise any suspicion so that the thief does not see any reason to use the crystal ball for anything but latex questions. (I'll off for today, wish you a lot of fun at preparing your marmot burrow for hibernation season!)