@DavidCarlisle More than happy to receive this sort of reprimand. A bit of a slip-up not to mention it in the readme though.

@Werner Same problem I had when this was asked about on meta: it's 'all of TeX'

@JosephWright So you've got it to work or should I have a look?

@topskip It's working, thanks

@topskip I see @DavidCarlisle has solved the kpse issue, at least in part, so I next need to set up a metatable to implement your kpse.filelist syntax as a wrapper around the main kpse libarary

@DavidCarlisle Still rather odd: I think I will ask on the list

@DavidCarlisle Ah, I see there is a note in the docs, though it's not easy to pick up

@DavidCarlisle Ah, kpse.lookup does a generic lookup, no need to search

@topskip Meta-table working successfully :-)

\directlua{
  kpse.filelist = { }
  local mt = { }
  function mt.__index (t, key)
    return kpse.lookup(key)
  end
  setmetatable(kpse.filelist, mt)

  local os_getenv = os.getenv
  function os.getenv(var)
    if var == "SP_FONT_PATH" then return "" end
    return os_getenv(var)
  end

  local fontloader = require("fontloader.lua")

  function define_font (cs, file, size, props)
    props = props or { }
    size  = size  or 10
    size = 65536 * size
    local success, f = fontloader.define_font(file, size, props)

@DavidCarlisle, @topskip ^^^

Even shorter:

\directlua{
  kpse.filelist = { }
  local mt = { }
  function mt.__index (t, key)
    return kpse.lookup(key)
  end
  setmetatable(kpse.filelist, mt)

  local os_getenv = os.getenv
  function os.getenv(var)
    if var == "SP_FONT_PATH" then return "" end
    return os_getenv(var)
  end

  local fontloader = require("fontloader.lua")

  callback.register("define_font",
    function (name, size, id)
      return select(2, fontloader.define_font(name, size))
    end)
}
\font\FOO=lmroman10-regular.otf at 10pt

@DavidCarlisle ^^^ Now using the callback ;-)

@JosephWright Good idea using the callback

@topskip Well yes, we are working at the TeX side

@JosephWright I forgot about the callbacks and my naive approach would be "redefining" the \font macro (or something similar)

@topskip Your code is doing all the work: all I've done is add just enough support stuff to allow it to load

@topskip That did occur to me too :-)

@topskip I support I should work out how to deal with system fonts and calls by name not filename, but that's for the future

@topskip I assume fontloader.lua isn't in TL, so I'll rename to something like publisher_fontloader.lua if that's OK (we're not adding to the system tree but it's best to avoid file name issues)

@JosephWright sure, everything is OK. I don't claim any name/copyright/whatever of the code, do whatever you like with it.

@JosephWright I have this command in my software list-fonts that goes though every file it detects, rejects any non-font extensions and uses fontloader.info(filename).fontname for the PostScript name. This works reasonable well for me. So I can do sp list-fonts and it gives me a font list. The source for it is in github.com/speedata/publisher/blob/develop/src/lua/…

@JosephWright you can download and try it our yourself: download.speedata.de/publisher/unstable - just unzip it and run (in the bin/ directory) sp list-fonts or sp list-fonts --systemfonts to also list the system fonts (the --systemfonts might not possible in pure Lua(TeX)).

@topskip Cool

@topskip More of a medium-term aim (the current plan is just to be able to load Latin Modern in OTF format without needing all of luaotfload!)

I see. I am not sure if I have tried it with LM yet, but I don't see a reason why it shouldn't

@topskip It works (my test)

@topskip The context here is we've got some hacked-up format mode code for L3. Without a font loader, even basic testing with LuaTeX is tricky as the font encoding for TeX fonts (T1) means hyphenation will be wrong. So I want to at least have one Unicode font available.

@JosephWright Is that off topic or do we have a dupe? tex.stackexchange.com/q/290524/37907

@Johannes_B Looks on-topic: what's the issue?

@JosephWright forgot a command/option. For me, that is like mistyping a command.

@Johannes_B Ah

@JosephWright looking promising

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I'm integrating it into the L3 format files now. I might raise some related things on the team list.

@DavidCarlisle Currently I have an odd Lua error, but hope to have this working by the end of the day

Oh, I know: ExplSyntax issue

@JosephWright I might suggest instead of loading a unicode latin modern we make all the unicode characters active and select an appropriate 8bit font so we can use the classic tfm loader without needing any lua....

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle You might guess what I'm wondering about

@JosephWright ~= ?

@JosephWright Pinky and the Brain? :)

@PauloCereda: How's your progress with Lucida? (And your thesis in general? :-P)

@ChristianHupfer Lucida is working great now, thanks to @egreg's patience. :) And the thesis... well, I am writing it. :)

@PauloCereda I am considering to obtain the font(s) as well from TUG, so I wanted to have some report from somebody already using them

@ChristianHupfer I am very impressed by the quality, and the result looks quite pleasant to the eye. :)

@JosephWright Sorry, i was talking about another question. That user was unsure that his solution is the right one and researching a different approach (at the wrong location) screwed up everything.

@PauloCereda You ordered both variants (OpenType and Type1)?

@ChristianHupfer Yes, both.

@PauloCereda Ordered too ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Yay, congrats! :) <3

@PauloCereda Er, well, buying is easy :-P

@ChristianHupfer :D

Yo dudes and gals

@Alenanno No ducks?

@Alenanno Ah, the moderator (from another SE site ;-)) that likes to threaten muting me :-P

@ChristianHupfer :D ahah hey

@PauloCereda Ehhm, ...and ducks!

@ChristianHupfer Actually in chat, I'm a moderator everywhere. :P

@Alenanno You forgot Penguins (@Johannes_B) and BlackForesters (@Me)

But I won't let power corrupt me!

@Alenanno: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed! @PauloCereda @JosephWright ;-)

@ChristianHupfer lol (pss, remove the linebreak!)

@ChristianHupfer we'll invoke Psmith, a mere moderator will be powerless against such a bot.

@DavidCarlisle You mean the Holy Brazilean Inquisition? @PauloCereda :-P

@DavidCarlisle I doubt that lol :P

[paulo@cambridge document] $ ack "abnt" thesis.tex
\usepackage[alf]{abntex2cite}
\bibliographystyle{abntex2-alf}

@egreg: ^^

@PauloCereda Wonderful!

@egreg But then I have you to save the day: \usepackage{xpatch} :)

@PauloCereda That immediately improves the document's quality.

@PauloCereda With regexpatch you could do \regexpatchcmd{\everythinginabn}{.*}{}{}{}

@egreg I love it! :)

@egreg <3

@PauloCereda Would telling them you're an Italian citizen, so not bound to ABN, help?

Hi guys! Does any of you have any experience with setting up a latex distribution on a server (or similar) for external compilation? I'm stuck behind a sithload of work restrictions, and need to be able to typeset some documents programmatically from different computers.

@egreg Nope, sadly. :)

@Holene would sharelatex or overleaf be an alternative?

@Johannes_B Absolutely! If I could be able to call and download the PDF by using a script of some sort. Right now, the number input and processing is done in VBA (yeah, Excel for industry president, right?).

@Johannes_B the goal is to automate report production, and I'm not the one who'll be using this tool. The users can be assumed to have zero experience with programming or LaTeX... –_–

@Holene Out of interest, what would the input look like?

To the VBA program? It's rows of measurement data from another Excel report.

@Holene The data you want to feed to latex.

@Holene: You could write a web service that takes a string as input and returns a proper PDF document. :)

@Johannes_B That's .csv files. I have ready made a .tex document that accept .csv files that are being generated when the VBA script is run. At the end of the VBA script I do something like Call Shell("pdflatex main.tex"), which I would like to replace with a call to some location where main.tex with all the .csv files and support .tex files are being compiled

@PauloCereda Could you elaborate a bit on "web service", please ? :-)

@Holene Oh sure. :) Web service is like a remote method/function in which you could use in your application to get some sort of computation based on the input parameters. :)

@PauloCereda Something like this? tutorialspoint.com/webservices

@Holene Yep, along those lines. :)

@JosephWright hmm load-unicode-data.tex not in tlmgr update yet?

@PauloCereda Could it be possible to have the .tex architecture laying around in the web service, such that I just have to pass the .csv files and get the PDF in return? I'm sorry if I ask stupid questions :p

@DavidCarlisle Seems not

@Holene If your data is confidential, setting up an internal company server might be a better idea instead of sending out the data over the net.

@Johannes_B yeah, that'll probably be the best solution. I'll have to check with IT about that. But could I make such a web service solution on any server?

To answer that myself, yes I can (according to tutorialspoint.com/webservices)

@Holene Yep, everything is possible. :)

<viro> "scanf is tough" -- programmer Barbie...

	- Al Viro on #kernelnewbies

LOL

@Alenanno Ya callin mea? :D

@egreg: Can I use xpatch to patch something defined via \def?

@PauloCereda Yes, should work

@JosephWright Ah it worked, thanks!

@DavidCarlisle Expect to have Lua font loading in l3format this evening :-)

@JosephWright I hope it does polytonic Greek:-)

@PauloCereda Yes, of course! Any macro is ultimately defined via \def (or \edef).

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright: Did you saw tex.stackexchange.com/questions/291067/…? I can reproduce the problem: the spaces after the punctuations in the english text disappears. From the log I can see that\xeCJK_new_class:n { HalfLeft } allocates class 1 which is already the CJK class and not like in my older miktex class 4 so I think that xeCJK doesn't allocate correctly the "default" classes.

@egreg Thank you, it worked! <3

@UlrikeFischer oh hm @JosephWright did I think give them advance notice, but seems like the updates are out of sync. I''ll reply in a bit if Joseph does not get there first..

@DavidCarlisle Akira just commented that it had been fixed.

@UlrikeFischer I assume it's fixed then:-)

@UlrikeFischer there was some concern that the settings for the first three classes were not really right (or politically correct:-) and it turned out that all the packages we could find (eg xecjk/ctex)were setting up more complete schemes anyway) so everyone contacted was happy for the default to start from 1 again . see ltnews24 either side of the page break:-)

@PauloCereda You man of little faith

@egreg :)

@DavidCarlisle: ^^

@PauloCereda Yes. -- Yo!

@yo' <3

@PauloCereda s/Finished/Started/

@DavidCarlisle :)

It's hard to build up reputation if the question askers don't upvote your suggestions...

@egreg — what do you think of double-struck mu?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :)

@percusse: ^^

@PauloCereda "not give a damn about my reputation"...

@Octopus Sorry. :)

That's one way to see it.

@WillRobertson The worst you can think of.

@egreg It's a pretty fun game, to find "unusual" mathematical notation. Surely it's the way they've done it you dislike, not the symbol itself? :)

@WillRobertson For one minute, I thought was not wearing my glasses. :)

@Octopus On a more serious note, do you have a link to the question?

@PauloCereda Yes: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/278894/…

@PauloCereda Lol, Thanks! That really wasn't necessary :)

@Octopus Well, the OP was last seen online yesterday, a couple of hours before you posted the answer, so it's quite early to ask him/her for an upvote. :) But your answer deserves an upvote nonetheless, so I did it. :)

@WillRobertson Both

That was yesterday? Wow, so it might have been the wrong answer

@egreg :)

@WillRobertson Wolfram is devastating math typesetting by making people think that double struck symbols are good.

@PauloCereda Well, thank you. In my mind it was weeks ago :O

@egreg Just wait until we get double-struck sans serif into Unicode

@WillRobertson You deserve the Spanish Inquisition!

@egreg I will not be double-struck by them!

@Octopus The question is old, but your answer is more recent than the last time the OP visited. :)

@egreg NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

@egreg: let us change the reference for a while then:

@PauloCereda I'll personally inflict the comfy chair to @WillRobertson

@egreg oooh :)

@Octopus Yes, we have same bad non-caring question - askers here ;-) (Actually, too much of them!)

@ChristianHupfer I've just seen that some other, more experienced, people have critisised that. Some people are funny - They're expecting any people to sacrifice their free time to help them and can't even spare an upvote :| (Thanks for the upvotes, generous stranger)

@Octopus: Take it as a warm welcome ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Thanks Christian! :)

@Octopus You need other help by, say, the Unknown Upvoting Brazilean Duck, but I don't give any names (hint: @PauloCereda :D)

@ChristianHupfer "The Unknown Upvoting Brazilean Duck" :D

@ChristianHupfer Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

By the way: too much upvotes will result in reversal ;-) or how could I get 95 rep in a bunch of seconds? :D

@Octopus: By the way: Which other, more experienced, user did you refer to? :D

Not the nicest number, but a \Bigg number ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Really in reverseal? they think of everything here! I just left the room though, there was only my chilenian gineau pig here. She's known to jump on my laptop :O. I reffered to Paulo which posted a image of that frog drinkin tea

i.imgflip.com/yfp0h.jpg this one

@Octopus Ah, Kermit -- By the way, Waldorf and Statler are here too, in disguise:D

@ChristianHupfer Well i think i almost doubled my reputation now! Which is great! And i don't want to be begging for it anyways

@Octopus Nobody does here ;-)

A badge a day keeps the doctor away ;-)

Or for some users here: 100 badges a day keeps 100 doctors away ;-)

@ChristianHupfer There's a lovely quote from Nietschze about beggars. He's saying (obviously in german) that beggars should be abandoned. Because one is annyoing to help them but aswell annoyed not to help them. (Bad translation)

one is annoyed to help them

@Octopus: I am German, but I am not sure that I understand Nietzsche even in German :D

@ChristianHupfer Well that's another question. I for myself have never really understood it either.

@ChristianHupfer Das sehr komplicated Nietzschequotation!

@Johannes_B Mine isn't. :)

Actually, there are two from USP, but not the department. :)

@PauloCereda You can add it :-)

@Johannes_B nein. :)

@Johannes_B Oh no, the disease is spreading :-P

@PauloCereda We definitely need more templates based on ABNT.

@PauloCereda Good examples must be kept in secret <3

@Johannes_B Please please please please. :)

@ChristianHupfer ooh. <3

Every thesis template should make the output look like an ISO norm.

@Johannes_B Also lots of pie charts. :)

@egreg double struck sans serif italic Greek. How could you do mathematics without it?

@PauloCereda And fancy colors. Und buunt.

@Johannes_B @PauloCereda @Johannes_B: Default font: Comic Sans :-P

@DavidCarlisle github.com/CTeX-org/ctex-kit/commit/…

@UlrikeFischer I knew we had a non-zero risk element here, but there's a long-term pay off in terms of logic, and as noted by @DavidCarlisle everyone we could was warned in advance

@JosephWright change comment translates as No pre-set CJK character class. seems about right:-)

@DavidCarlisle I just checked the code itself

@JosephWright But you are not the fluent linguist like what I is 不再预设置 CJK 字符类。

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle: I agree that it was a good idea. Hardcoded numbers are always problematic and should be avoided if possible. Also I saw the discussion some time ago and so suspected directly that this was the cause of the problem of xecjk. I only didn't know how to address the problem.

@UlrikeFischer :-)

@UlrikeFischer There's been quite a bit of discussion on the team list!

@DavidCarlisle I guess next is 'math code setup': I'm favouring dropping the BMP/SMP split, making all 'letters' the same and doing 'further set up' in load-unicode-math-classes (so loadable separately)

@JosephWright wouldn't that still be wrong for the classic symbol layouts? oh perhaps not... separate loader for math-classes would be good (Will could use it)

So... I'm trying to switch from Babel to Polyglossia, but damn the errors. I managed to make it at least work (it still has problems with Biblatex, apparently. I have to load it before that) but now I'm getting two warnings: "Upgrade package 'polyglossia' to >v1.42.0 recommended.", but I have 1.42 installed, and "Using preliminary 'polyglossia' interface."... what's that? T_T

@DavidCarlisle Exactly: a generic loader but not one necessarily used in the format

@Alenanno Are you sure that version 1.42 which is installed is the first polyglossia.sty LaTeX finds? Check the logfile where polyglossia is coming from.

@Johannes_B The first? I only see one in the package list...

@WillRobertson -- not going to happen. the "traditional" style of double-struck is closer to sans serif than to what was provided by the amsfonts. i've got proof in the symbol collections from monogype. and that's the style that's provided in the stix fonts. to force the issue would require documentation by examples that use both styles with contrasting meanings. i defy you ...

Apparently French is getting rid of the circumflex accent. Gotta be honest, I don't like this change.

@JosephWright But I'm not getting them :-(. I probably saw some sideremark here in the chat.

@Alenanno Brazil got rid of umlaut. I hate this.

@UlrikeFischer Ah, the old 'what should be on the team list, what should be on latex-l' question

@Alenanno Huh?

@JosephWright bfmtv.com/societe/…

Coût -> Cout

For example.

@Alenanno Well since 1990 in theory but not for some exceptions of course. The only difference is that every company that make textbook to learn reading/writing apply it

@RomainPicot But it still was part of the spelling, no? I mean, that's like the French announcing they will stop producing baguettes, come on. :D

@Alenanno but for "sûr" you still have it to not missunderstood "sur" and "sur"

@Alenanno perhaps you missed it but both writing are still exact ;-)

@RomainPicot So you can still say Coût even after the reform?

@Alenanno If you are searching for a file and find one, would you keep looking if there are others? LaTeX takes the first it finds. But that might be in your home directory or somewhere.

I mean, yes you can. But is it considered correct?

@Johannes_B Let me see.

@Alenanno yes (the reform applied since 1990 ;-) )

@RomainPicot Mh, good. I love accents. Don't you guys dare get rid of it for good! :D

@Alenanno not everyone does

@Johannes_B I only have one ".sty", and it says: polyglossia.sty 2015/08/06 v1.42.0 Alternative to Babel for XeLaTeX and LuaL

@RomainPicot You mean, love accents? But only my opinion matters! :P lol

@Alenanno they are also modification as "nénuphar" that could be "nénufar" or "oignon" -> "ognon"

(to be honest I haven't look in detail)

@Alenanno I can't reproduce that. Can you show a short example?

@Johannes_B I'll see what I can do, but it's in my main document, and I have the feeling that even if I produce a MWE, it will still be broken in the main. I'll let you know if I come up with something to show. Thanks!

@Alenanno Allright :-)

Will this work?

@Alenanno A little more history lost.

@DavidCarlisle, @topskip github.com/latex3/latex3/commit/…

How long until Latex 3 is out :P?

@Octopus Oh, don't

@Octopus I've been using it since around 1991

@Alenanno @Johannes_B biblatex contains a test for a new command in polyglossia and as long polyglossia doesn't make a release you can't get rid of the message. (I'm not sure why it outputs the current version number, probably simply a typo )

@DavidCarlisle xor

@UlrikeFischer So I can't get rid of the warning?

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle I wish i could help but i'm probably not a good enough programmer...

@Alenanno You could get the development version from github. The commit with the new command is here: github.com/reutenauer/polyglossia/commit/….

...original source...

That's an 11-ton floating duck. And they have the audacity to call it a duckie. ;)

I think I have the uncanny ability to attract all the most obnoxious users on the entire Stack Exchange network internet.

@Alenanno Obnoxious users? Why is that?

@Werner While I don't mind comments correcting mistakes in my answers (actually, that's better because I don't want there to be mistakes), this kind of user sounds very irritated like I insulted someone. I don't know, they come across as very confrontational.

On TeX it hasn't happened yet, I think.

TeX is like the nicest site ever.

@Alenanno Oh, I see, on some other site.

@Werner Yes yes, here everybody is so nice. That's one of the reasons why I always annoy you guys in chat.

Because you're cool. :P

I guess grumps will be grumps. I've grown a thicker skin from people being grumps...

@JosephWright s/speeddata/speedata/g ;-)

@JosephWright Thanks for the pointer! Glad I can be of (temporary) help.

@Werner Certainly, there are exceptions here too, like @PauloCereda :P *goes to hide in the corner*

@JosephWright Its very simple, you have seen. It can't do ligatures, for example. (TeX folks will tar and feather me for that, so please don't tell anyone)

@topskip That's not a very efficient way to keep a secret lol

@JosephWright this is a private chat, right?

@topskip :P

@Alenanno The easiest way to keep something secret is to star it. :)

@PauloCereda I knew it, you're evil! :P

@cfr: ^^ I wub you. <3

@PauloCereda I have Need for Speed Most Wanted for free. :P

@Alenanno Er... Did I miss something? :)

@PauloCereda Origin has a page called "on the house", they periodically give games out for free, one at a time. I just saw NFS Most Wanted, and grabbed it. Now it's mine at € 0,00. :D

@Alenanno oooh

@PauloCereda Last year I missed Battlefield 3 by like a couple of days (or one) and I still hate myself for it. :P

@Alenanno :D

@PauloCereda Since then, I've had the page bookmarked on my browser. I hope they put it on again someday.

@Alenanno Soon. :)

@PauloCereda Are you secretly the CEO of Origin?

@PauloCereda Oh, speaking of FPS online... the other day I was playing one and a guy was named "East Clintwood" LOL

@Alenanno I am a secret duck. :)

@Alenanno LOL

@PauloCereda 00quack

@egreg License to eat breadcrumbs. :)

@egreg: so I found out this lucimatx package. Should I deploy it too? :)

@PauloCereda Yes, of course! It came with the Type1 fonts, when I got them from Lance Carnes.

@egreg Thanks! Will it replace my original Lucida setup? I don't suspect so.

@PauloCereda What package are you loading?

@egreg lucidabr, per TUG instructions. :)

The bundle does not come with lucimatx. I got it from elsewhere.

@PauloCereda From the lucimatx manual: This document describes the macro package lucimatx, which serves for using the Lucida® Bright and Lucida® New Math fonts1 with LaTeX. It constitutes a successor to the packages lucidabr and lucbmath.

@egreg ooh!

@PauloCereda However, lucimatx is copyrighted to PCTeX

@egreg: let me try it in nineveh, hold on. :)

@egreg Ah indeed, but according to their website, I can get the package for free.

@egreg: It worked again. :)

@Mico: when you have some spare time, could you join the chat?

Please, anybody got an idea for #8 in TUG membership?

@yo' Thomas F. Sturm, perhaps?

The tcolorbox bloke. :)

@PauloCereda yeah, but he seems not to have responded to @Joseph 's call

@yo' Oh I see.

@barbarabeeton you were 13 seconds faster but it took me longer than that to look up the accents on Hàn Thế Thành's name:-)

@DavidCarlisle -- faster on what? (not sure why thanh might have been involved ...???)

@topskip Understood

@barbarabeeton accumulate errors (he posted a nice example of that the other day)

@topskip Fix coming up

@DavidCarlisle -- ah. i see. yes, nice example. but you posted an answer; mine was only a comment. (the system ams used before tex didn't save the current position when setting a superscript; instead it moved up by some amount, set the script, then moved down by presumably the same amount, but it wasn't always exact, so sometimes baselines got disrupted. bad design. dek got it right.)

@DavidCarlisle -- where was the example posted? would like to look it up.

@barbarabeeton I put link in my answer, on texlive list last month

Tell me please, how do you open a 139137 x 69719 PNG file, 168 MB?

@yo' use rm ?

@DavidCarlisle oh no!

@yo' Takes just a part of my cell phone display, I have to zoom.

@StefanKottwitz POIDH

@yo' I would send a pic, but you can't open it.

@StefanKottwitz ok, you win.

@yo' More! I need training. Have to face loud-mouthed Americans soon.

@StefanKottwitz oh damn.

@StefanKottwitz you could scale the picture down

@StefanKottwitz -- i sure do wish we could export all the loud-mouths to some unpleasant location inhabited by no one else.

@yo' I scaled down! I'm still working on a cruise ship in Venice, next week I start with a yacht.

@barbarabeeton you don't see two emphasizing words in a row quite often :-)

@barbarabeeton I'm going to a place which is nearly inhabited by no one else :-o

but it's not unpleasant.

It's a quiet residence at sea. "The World" so far to yachts :-)

@StefanKottwitz now you win. But only if you're willing to pay the $1000000 fees.

(^^ was it enough American?)

@yo' I'll cover by my travel expenses.

@StefanKottwitz but we're not reimbursing your travel expenses.

@yo' I'll find somebody :-)

@StefanKottwitz :)

more early closing :(

@DavidCarlisle VTRO, good spot on.

@DavidCarlisle -- yeah, i think we need to take this into consideration with the stix fonts. (but how many people really do still use 300 dpi printers? screens, well that's something else entirely.)

@moose it forces end of sentence interpretation so normally . after a capital is assumed to be an abbreviation but if it also ends the sentence, that would be on topic but must be a dup...

@moose someone called @barbarabeeton wrote this vvvv

@DavidCarlisle Thank you very much :-)

@moose Note that @DavidCarlisle was mistakenly referring to Barbara's answer rather than to mine.

@egreg I always try to cite reliable sources. I'm sure @moose understands.

@PauloCereda @yo' Thomas opted out. I wrote a mail to him and responded, that he got a free TUG membership anyway, since another winner from last year's competition stepped back. But he wanted to give others the opportunity this year! (I really encouraged him, to apply :-()

@PauloCereda \usetikzlibrary{cathod} ;).

$ ls -l texput.pdf
-rw-r--r-- 1 davidc Domain Users 3822 Feb  4 22:22 texput.pdf

@JosephWright ^^^^^

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle I never said it was very useful at the moment (at least in part due to the standard response to any question about user interface being 'for later')

@JosephWright that's OK I mostly I hadn't spotted \stop :-)