@Speravir well, you can I think revert @JosephWright's edit. You won't have many opportunities to revert a Moderator :)

@tohecz I know, but I thought, it would be better if he did it himself.

@Speravir yeah, it would :) It's just me rebelling :p

@tohecz Aha. :-)

@Speravir I mean, you can do it of course, but you're right, it's better to avoid reverts on others' edits if they're not necessary

@tohecz At least, when we can each other communicate via chat.

@cgnieder Especially where this remark would be equally useful for the Google and Peers sections, or even more useful …

@tohecz The pitfall is, though, that below 10k you do not find again your deleted answers, if you do not have saved the links otherwise. And who saves all his answers externally? The deleted answers are not listed in answers tab of the user profile (above 10k I do not know, this must you tell me.)

Time to go to São Paulo. You guys behave! :)

Could anyone help me find what is wrong in a document?

@Speravir Sorted

disregard, it's late - simple error

@SeanAllred I'll tackle the xtemplate question when I have a minute, assuming @DavidCarlisle doesn't beat me too it

@Speravir Well, I don't think you can "track" them in your user profile. But 10k+ or 10k-, you can see them. So if you wrongly self-answer, you still see them under your question, with all the comments that had been given

@Speravir yes. Best would be to just leave off the remark...

Please, which is correct, I'm never sure:

Footnotes should be kept at minimum\footnote{Still, when you really need them, you can use them.}.
Footnotes should be kept at minimum.\footnote{Still, when you really need them, you can use them.}

@tohecz It depends which side of the Atlantic you are on (at least partly:-)

@DavidCarlisle ah, which means that I don't need to care :p

well, it's typeset on the eastern side, but we seem to prefer the rules of the western one

@DavidCarlisle well, have you read the text of the message? It's taken from our class manual ;)

@tohecz assuming superscript numerals, I'd use the second form. even though logically of course the first is more sense.

@tohecz my rule of thumb: before the full stop if the footnote refers to the last word and after the full stop if it refers to the whole sentence

@DavidCarlisle assuming correctly, dispite we considered changing for a pre-defined sequence of symbols (I think there exist such recommended sequences, right?

@cgnieder that's what I do, it's the rule of "logical quotes."

Sorry, I mean, rule of "logical quotes". ;)

@tohecz \fnsymbol

@cgnieder and then add kerning to pull the superscript in, so both ways look the same:-)

@DavidCarlisle lol

@tohecz IIRC footmisc provides a few different sequences to be used with \fnsymbol...

@cgnieder I'll have a look. After all, I can't use * for instance, it's reserved for the corresponding e-mail

@tohecz the definition of the sequence (without any package) is pretty trivial so can be changed as needed:

\def\@fnsymbol#1{\ensuremath{\ifcase#1\or *\or \dagger\or \ddagger\or
   \mathsection\or \mathparagraph\or \|\or **\or \dagger\dagger
   \or \ddagger\ddagger \else\@ctrerr\fi}}

or in fixltx2e without the math:

\def\@fnsymbol#1{%
   \ifcase#1\or \TextOrMath\textasteriskcentered *\or
   \TextOrMath \textdagger \dagger\or
   \TextOrMath \textdaggerdbl \ddagger \or
   \TextOrMath \textsection  \mathsection\or
   \TextOrMath \textparagraph \mathparagraph\or
   \TextOrMath \textbardbl \|\or
   \TextOrMath {\textasteriskcentered\textasteriskcentered}{**}\or
   \TextOrMath {\textdagger\textdagger}{\dagger\dagger}\or
   \TextOrMath {\textdaggerdbl\textdaggerdbl}{\ddagger\ddagger}\else
   \@ctrerr \fi
}

@DavidCarlisle yep, I know. However, I'm somehow coquetting with using the perpage option as well ... or better not, without it, authors are more limited in the number of footnotes :)

@DavidCarlisle so one should load this package?

@tohecz fixltx2e does fix one or two features more serious than using math mode for footnotes, so in general yes. In particular it fixes the handling of 2-column floats.

@DavidCarlisle they seem to be to be handled well, I mean, I've had no problems so far...

@tohecz the default code doesn't attempt to keep 2 column and 1 column floats in order, a 1-column float can float past a 2-column one even if both table so you'll get table 2 on one page and table 1 on the next.

@DavidCarlisle oh yeah, that's true. But in all honesty, I've had a layout like this in a 2col article:

---------------------
|       Tab 2       |
---------------------
---------    text
| Tab 1 |    text
---------    text
text         text
...           ...

@David I know it's bad, but there seemed to be no way around it, and if I got it correctly, fixltx2e prevents this

@tohecz yes, although that's sort of almost acceptable, what is worse if tab 1 goes to a later page altogether.

@DavidCarlisle oh yeah, I would never allow that. In that case, I would silently rename one "table" to "figure" :D

@tohecz well latex does:-)

Hi @Paulo!

@tohecz or just pull one of the figures earlier in the source

@tohecz hi Tom! Ack from São Paulo in my clumsy tablet. :)

@DavidCarlisle that's what I do, annoyed, all the time: move the code of floats back and forth to get them right. I want to have the fixed manual positioning of xor :D

@PauloCereda kool :) I've never had a tablet, nor I think I will ever do

@tohecz :)

@tohecz had that working once: the system wrote a text file saying which area each float landed in eg page5:top and if you edit the text file and re-latex, the floats (mostly) went where you said. (trouble is it was easy to get it stuck and give it unsatisfiable requirements)

@DavidCarlisle yep, I think that the handling of bullshit user input is one of the difficulties of the user driven float placement

is there any more helpful comment could be made to this new user (just joined):

Any chemician here, please? I have a small typesetting question

@tohecz Huh?

@JosephWright Pb(Zr$_x$Ti$_{1-x}$)O$_3$ or Pb(Zr$_{\mathrm{x}}$Ti$_{\mathrm{1-x}}$)O$_3$ ?

it's {x} and {1-x} as a part of a chemical substance formula

@tohecz If they are variables use standard math mode (italic). I'd use chemformula rather than 'plain' math mode here but I guess that depends on being able to select whatever packages I like.

@JosephWright I dunno, I have to typeset the article, I got it in W@$# and this is the only mention of any formula in the article

@tohecz OK, just use Pb(Zr$_x$Ti$_{1-x}$)O$_3$ then

@JosephWright ok, thanks alot

@tohecz Zintl phase?

@JosephWright I dunno, some piezoelectricity I think, someone's trying to recupperate energy from mouseclicks, I don't read the crap you see...

@tohecz :-)

@JosephWright I mean, you get some energy from mouseclicks, you realize that you get more from gaming, but you ignore the fact that when gaming, the computer eats 400W of energy :)

Hi everyone.

no one is here:-)

@DavidCarlisle tru dat

@DavidCarlisle Too busy in doing regex replacements. ;-)

@DavidCarlisle So you're a ghost?

Why I should know better than to go to ELU.

@AlanMunn It seems to be simpler in Czech :)

@AlanMunn It's hard to maintain that Lake Geneva took his name before the town was founded.

@egreg good example, I was looking for such

@egreg hope you don't mind me using that example there :)

@tohecz But then I still must remember the question. And when I answered to a question of another user, then I must additionally remember which user this was.

@Speravir well, the best is not to have deleted answers ;)

@tohecz :-D

@Speravir Well, I haven't seen much 500+ feature requests on MSO, so this heads' decision is pretty controversial:

@tohecz Ooh, tl,dr.

@Speravir the official reasnoning is: users will only whine about the questions being deleted non-reasonably

@tohecz Ah, this I saw on fast reading. But it's not always true. PErhaps later has an idea, how to correct and improve …

@egreg I just find it a bit ridiculous that the answer (which is essentially an admitted non-answer) is getting any support at all. It's like "Here's something for which I have no evidence, and I'll even admit it, but I'll pretend it's some sort of an answer anyway."

@AlanMunn hey don' t knock that as a strategy, it works fine for me here on tex.sx....

@AlanMunn Could you, please, as English native speaker and question plus answers starter control my edits in How do I use a particular font for a small section of text in my document? regarding \DeclareTextFontCommand. I hope, it’s all well.

@JosephWright you going to answer the graphical L3 question?

@DavidCarlisle Did you see my comment?

@JosephWright no..

@JosephWright ... yes:-)

@SeanAllred did you ever see Scientific Word?

@DavidCarlisle Even if everything works, programmatic placement is fundamentally at odds with graphical layout

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@JosephWright No, I haven't had the chance—SW comes with a heft price-tag and, what's more , my computer I have can't handle much of anything graphical.

Chrome and Emacs put my computer to the limit on what it can do.

Also, I'm not sure what to close that question as… should it be off-topic, or opinion-based, or…?

@JosephWright I was trying to help someone with a google sites editing and I just couldn't understand the visual editor thing, basically if you clicked any button it inserted garbage into the page and you had to click the <html> view button and edit the html back to something reasonable:-)

@SeanAllred With no evidence at present and all ...

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@JosephWright Yep yep.

@DavidCarlisle Will you make TUG2014?

I might actually try to get to this one

@SeanAllred back in the days of latex2.09 they had quite an impressive visual class design (well mostly page layout) tool. essentially they had a basic article.sty style (class) but every conceivable length was extracted out into a variable set at the top, then they had a graphical thing where you could drag margins around or drag sliders to control indents and font sizes, and it wrote you an instance of the class. Quite impressive (of course I never used it as it wasn't emacs but still...)

@JosephWright probably not (where is it?)

@DavidCarlisle I was seriously born in the wrong decade. Probably would not have jumped on the emacs train before package.el ;-) Do you happen to remember what it was called? I'm sure there's an article/screenshots out there somewhere

@DavidCarlisle It's in Portland, Oregon (west coast of U.S.)

@SeanAllred I think it was just part of scientific word.

and I am so excited. As it happens, I'm actually going to be around (within 1000 miles…) for this one. Visiting family in Arizona.

@SeanAllred "Around"? 1000 miles is about the length of Italy from North to South!

Goodness, I suddenly have a lot of blog posts to write

@egreg I mean that's a total estimate. Oregon is in the northwest corner and I'm in the middle of the east coast normally, but Arizona is just northwest of Texas. The U.S. is about 3000 miles across if memory serves.

google.com/search?q=distance+from+arizona+to+oregon 1212.8 miles :-)

For me, google.com/search?q=distance+from+norwich+to+oregon gives 4930 miles :-)

@DavidCarlisle From the very few screenshots I've been able to find, SW looks a lot like LyX. (like LyX… try saying that five times fast…)

@JosephWright Would you be flying in, I presume?

VT isn't in the UK ;-)

@SeanAllred Yes, assuming time and funds allow

@SeanAllred probably (I've never seen lyx)

… unless there is a different Norwich? My Google gives me Norwich, Vermont..

@JosephWright Yay!

@SeanAllred Well that's just silly

@DavidCarlisle I can only directly speak for LyX, which actually got me started with LaTeX—it's a free-flowing page—not paginated.

Thus, I don't see how changing margins make much sense, but perhaps that's a different, more publish-y part of SW that I'm not seeing

Norfolk… that makes more sense :-)

@SeanAllred Yup

@SeanAllred I'd have said from Northampton ('home'), but you'd have probably thought of the one in MA

@SeanAllred yes it was a separate style designer application (or mode or something) not part of the main document editing interface. Possibly this mackichan.com/index.html?techtalk/how/titlepage.html~mainFrame or possibly a memory of a demo version I saw 20 years ago is faulty and I made it all up:-)

I'd hoped Norwich was safer :-)

@Speravir Thanks for the update of the answer. I made a few stylistic tweaks.

@JosephWright Hey, the U.S. is a big place, but it's not every place ever. :-) But you're right, My first thought wasn't for England. It was for Virginia :-) (We don't seem to be very original in our names of things…)

@DavidCarlisle Hmmmm… that looks about right. I wonder how ~convoluted~good it is.

…where ~nnn~ was, I thought, strikethrough… SE's use of markdown makes such little sense to me.

@AlanMunn Thanks, as well. And I copied your fixes to the answer for XeLaTeX/LuaLaTeX. :-)

@Speravir Ah, ok. I forgot about that part. Thanks.

@AlanMunn That’s a pitfall of the approach to put everything in an own answer - or someone must write a fourth answer with all things valid for more than one engine, and this will be linked in the other answers … ;-)

So I totally and utterly failed at sending an email to LaTeX-L… I should probably read the manual :-|

@SeanAllred It's arrived

@Canageek I assume it also has \let\centre\center \let\endcentre\endcenter? :)

@cgnieder Oddly no, but he might not have used those commands.

Also oddly we use both spellings of centre. Also liter/litre I've seen both ways

@Canageek Yes, in American incursions...

Somebody willing to give one vote (should be enough) for this two scrpage2 questions, so that they disappear from the unanswered list? How to manipulate headsep only on text pages and Using 2 different fontsizes in scrpage2 header.

Hey, I said one vote. ;-)

I find this user profile picture a little bit too much, just my opinion: tex.stackexchange.com/users/41469/vochmelka

@Speravir I could downvote if you like :p

@cgnieder LOL. THIS MUST BE A JOKE.

@cgnieder On a serious note: The questions are poor, and the answers could surely be more verbous.

@Speravir I wouldn't bother too much: the one question seems one year old and the other half a year. I'd think the OPs probably have their solutions by now

@JosephWright Yay! Thanks for the tip

@SeanAllred Certainly I see your point in the question: while as I've said in the template question that other approaches are probably needed, I guess one can imagine that something akin to DreamWeaver is a possible if you are using a 'style sheet' approach.

Like I said, I guess I need to look more carefully at the LDB/style sheet stuff

I'm hoping @DavidCarlisle will contribute strongly, at least on the conceptual level

Luckily, Will seems to have found some LaTeX time (lots of e-mails this morning)

Meanwhile, I have to write two blog entries about beamer and one about expl3 (see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/84605/programming-with-latex3/…)

@JosephWright 1 hour for learning expl3? @azetina won't have much time left after reading interface3 ;)

@JosephWright :-) I'll have to drop down to the art department to actually see how DreamWeaver is set up and see how I can learn from its ideological architecture and be more informed :) I'll have to do some research on the history behind LDB later tonight after class.

@cgnieder Not really meant to be read as such

Then again, I know basically the entire thing

And I do wonder why I haven't been receiving emails lately from the list… ever since I changed the email on-file… strange. I'll have to read what's up on Heidelberg's LISTSERV web interface.

@SeanAllred I'm thinking 'big picture': (broadly) semantic markup with a style sheet but also the drop out to code when needed

@JosephWright a style-sheet akin to CSS's own syntax?

@SeanAllred Perhaps, perhaps not: there are issues in CSS (ask @DavidCarlisle), plus it's not aimed at a typesetting senario

It actually does make sense as a expl3-like syntax (meant to send that much earlier)

@JosephWright sure... but having it read once helps knowing (and remembering) what functions and concepts are available. I often missed the addition of new functions because I don't read through it that often any more

@JosephWright It isn't, but the general syntax pattern might make sense. (This is only what I glean from the concepts discussed in xtemplate

@cgnieder Watch the GitHub mirror or subscribe to the 'burning edge' emails :-)

@SeanAllred It might. What we are supposed to be sorting is syntax-independent use cases to see what we actually require

If you like, I can send you the LDB stuff

@JosephWright I would very much appreciate that. Thanks :)

@SeanAllred See e-mail plus github.com/latex3/svn-mirror/tree/master/l3trial/l3ldb

In many ways the GitHub stuff is possibly easier to follow

Warning: outside of l3kernel/l3packages/l3experimental, hic sunt leones

@JosephWright Warning heeded… I might just dress up as one……… I can blend in………

Are these dtx files registered with texdoc?

@SeanAllred Nope: not in TeX Live

@JosephWright Makes sense.

@SeanAllred In MiKTeX they are only available in compressed form and also not found by texdoc or the MiKTeX analogue.

@Speravir True, you'd need to make PDFs: I'm not actually sure those files compile!

Like I said, outside of the distributed files, anything goes

@JosephWright What to do with the tags: scrpage2 has an own tag, and over the years 43 questions tagged. Now, it is recommended to use the successor package scrlayer-scrpage instead. Should it get an own tag, or could we set the scrpage2 tag as alias?

@Speravir One for meta

@JosephWright OK.

@Speravir Needs @lockstep's input :-)

@JosephWright :-D

@JosephWright So were you able to compile the blog posts? I like @cgnieder comment. :-) lol

@azetina Huh?

@SeanAllred probably not (but perhaps:-) I'm not a big fan of css syntax once you get away from the basic element selector. Also it's not really optimised for the right thing necessarily. The css box model is strongly based on containment, you can refer to sibling relationships but it's a bit clunky, in tex you are building h or v lists and previous and next is (at some level) typically more natural than containment (even if we were to make (say) sections an environment

@DavidCarlisle Also, I suspect as we can't have the same syntax, being too close would actually be more of a hindrance than a help

Evening!

@tohecz Watcha

@JosephWright sorry: this "watcha"? urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=watcha :)

@tohecz No, an informal form of greeting

@tohecz Cf. 'Hello'

@JosephWright ah ok, so even simpler than that, thanks :)

Anyways, How do you do?

I have a question: can I get the current working directory without shell-escape?

@tohecz Don't think so

@JosephWright ok, thanks

then I know what to do, therefore it doesn't make sense to post a question

and is there a test for write18 enabled?

@tohecz Yes, see in for example ifplatform

@JosephWright ok, thanks

@tohecz The integer \pdfshellescape is 0 if shell-escape is disabled, 1 if it's fully enabled and 2 if restricted

For xetex and luatex, load pdftexcmds and use \pdf@shellescape

One blog post done :-)

texdev.net/2014/01/27/beamer-development

The 'LaTeX' training at work is going well: I might have four 'TeX students' soon :-)

@egreg ah \pdfshellescape, that's it! I found it in the manual only with the @-sign

btw, 6 catcodes I decided to change before I debugged that beast

@JosephWright: mind if I post a reply to Sean's question on the mailing list?

!!/ctan

@percusse you need to kick Paulo first

@percusse Oh CTAN.

@DavidCarlisle <3

@cgnieder: