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12:54 AM
@egreg what are we going to do about @percusse's scurrilous comments here
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A: What to do with opinion based questions which are accepted by the community?

percusse We vote anything and everything. We are full of contradictions. If we somehow get what the point is we leave it alone unless it's really boring and unlikely to be done in finite amount of manhour x time x etc. That is another contradiction right there. We have monthly(biweekly?) Answer the unan...

 
1:29 AM
@egreg Sure I am, and eating rice and fish and miso and tofu for breakfast ...
 
 
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7:28 AM
so for some reason with I tried to use the latin modern fonts, there look terrible. Almost photo copied
for comparison the F(y) = 1/5, is in math times which renders fine. Any idea why this is?
 
 
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8:48 AM
@Eric do you have \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} ?
 
9:10 AM
@Eric I'm pretty sure you don't have \usepackage{lmodern}, but, as @tohecz suggests, only \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}. For Latin Modern the first call is mandatory, the second one is optional (but recommended).
 
9:28 AM
@egreg well, I've seen people with the most recent MikTeX having rasterized fonts when lmodern used without T1
 
@tohecz I don't think so: Latin Modern fonts simply don't have a bitmapped version.
 
@egreg well, I've seen what I've seen :)
 
@tohecz Did you see both the printed version and the LaTeX source?
 
@egreg I wrote the code and I didn't believe the result. But I think that the install was bad, I didn't check the log tbh
 
@tohecz Probably they didn't have the Latin Modern fonts, so LaTeX switched to CM and, T1 being called for, the bitmap version.
 
9:34 AM
@egreg yeah, I think that this was probably the case, I didn't really care, I only knew they complained about having rasterized fonts. I told them to switch to TL ;)
 
10:32 AM
In other words, egreg and David are in the absolute zenith of TeX knowledge. :)Paulo Cereda 9 secs ago
 
@PauloCereda Good early morning!
 
@egreg Good morning! :)
@David: I'm not sure you know the recent Internet trend about foxes and what they say, but I wonder if we could apply \trancingall and find out the answer to this question. :)
 
@PauloCereda You woke up too late: I was already rep capped.
 
@egreg Indeed, I need to wake up earlier. :)
 
@PauloCereda or vote for me instead
 
11:06 AM
@PauloCereda Don't listen to @DavidCarlisle
 
@DavidCarlisle It's part two of my plan. :)
 
@egreg Ive not been rep capped for ages :(
 
@DavidCarlisle You need to write more answers, I can only upvote once. :)
Unless I create multiple accounts and trigger some sort of sockpuppet action.
 
@DavidCarlisle, what inline spellchecking would you recommend for LaTeX editing in emacs?
 
11:21 AM
@ForkrulAssail i nevr nead to spelchek
@PauloCereda busy at work at present:(
 
@DavidCarlisle :(
 
@ForkrulAssail I just use whatever ispell setup comes by default
 
@DavidCarlisle, so not a fan of the inline red squiggles?
 
@ForkrulAssail my emacs usage hasn't really changed since I started using it with monochrome screen and monospace fonts:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle, ok. I've been swearing at my browser and other apps for not using C-s for search, and C-xC-s for save
 
11:44 AM
Hej everybody
Does anybody know how to sort splncsnat bibliographystyle by citation order ?
 
@ForkrulAssail use w3-mode as your browser
 
@DavidCarlisle, thanks, will look into it.
 
@ForkrulAssail It was fine in 1998 but it doesn't do images or javascript, so might be a bit limiting on today's web
 
@DavidCarlisle Who needs JS nowadays?
 
@PauloCereda, hahaha.
Surf like RMS.
 
 
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1:16 PM
@DavidCarlisle And I'm 990 points ahead for the month. :)
 
 
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2:20 PM
Very quiet today. :)
My Pokémon Y game has been sent to me, yay! Can't wait to ruin my work. :)
 
2:42 PM
@egreg but I got a badge the other day and I just answered a tabu question (that previously just you had answered;-)
 
3:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle Added comment
 
@egreg is it a good or bad idea to just use \ifmeasuring@ rather than thinking up a new switch
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't know if there can be side effects if an amsmath environment is used in a tabularx cell.
 
@egreg yes I was going to worry about that but I thought getting you to worry about it instead might be better (or easier)
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, it seems that amsmath always does \measuring@true and \measuring@false only locally.
 
New Ubuntu. Meh. :)
 
3:26 PM
@egreg If you were on a measuring pass of amsmath but a final TX run would you want it to be true or false? (or tX could just skip the trials if it was in an amsmath and measuring@true,....
 
@DavidCarlisle I have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. :)
 
@PauloCereda there's always windows 8.x to look forward to
 
@DavidCarlisle Bah. :)
 
@PauloCereda see @percusse's answer on meta:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Did you see my comment to that answer? :)
 
3:28 PM
@PauloCereda :-)
 
In other words, egreg and David are in the absolute zenith of TeX knowledge. :)Paulo Cereda 5 hours ago
 
3:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle That's the problem. I'd go with \ifTX@measuring?
A completely wrong comment!
Which part of the publishing industry? Academics... for sure! Children's bed-time stories... probably not. — Werner 9 mins ago
 
@egreg @egreg: Oh dear...
I'm sure I can find a way out of this...
 
@egreg I know, but I said "probably"...
...that leaves some likelihood for the odd duck to still be typeset with quality.
So, not completely wrong.
 
4:07 PM
@egreg yes probably
 
@DavidCarlisle It's not the time when one had to be careful with TeX memory any more. ;-) See the same macro used for typesetting the footnote mark in the text and in the footnote, headache follows. ;-)
 
@egreg It wasn't so much that it would spare a csname, as for the user, if you want to say "only do this once" it might be easier for them (if not for me) if I can arrange that ifmeasuring is false all the time while amsmath is measuring and all but the last tabularx evaluation on the second amsmath setting.
 
4:24 PM
@tohecz Another one!
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Q: Original easy proofs of Fermat for Fermat last thorem.

user101721I have researched and found that Fermat original short easy proof for Fermat last theorem , Where should I submit this great proof?

 
4:58 PM
@egreg Oh, that's a nice thing to see when I log in :-)
Ta-da! My online book store is finally open. UK TUG members can get a 25% discount on my LaTeX books. (@JosephWright I've just emailed you the discount code.) There's also a bulk order discount for UK academic institutions.
 
@NicolaTalbot Not for TUG members? ;-)
 
@egreg Given the cost of shipping, I didn't think anyone outside the UK would be that interested in my shop, but I could do one for TUG as well. Not sure who I'd contact about it, though.
 
According to what I see in the beamer outer them sidebar (used by the Berkeley theme), I would be able to specify \documentclass[height=20pt]{beamer} or \usetheme[height=20pt]{Berkeley} to set the head height...
...but that doesn't happen.
I have to manually set it via \makeatletter \beamer@headheight=20pt \makeatother after loading \usetheme{Berkeley}.
This pertains to
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Q: How to make the \frametitle row smaller in berkeley theme in beamer

ytyyutianyun This theme is good,but I want the row a little small, how can I edit it. Thanks \documentclass[14pt]{beamer} \usepackage[space,noindent]{ctex} \usetheme{Berkeley} \setbeamercolor{normal text}{bg=black!10} \begin{document} \kaishu \title[aaa]{aaa} \subtitle{aaa} \author{aaa} \institute[aaa]{aaa...

Anybody know why specifying height=20pt doesn't work?
See, for example, beamerouterthemesidebar.sty where it defines:
\newdimen\beamer@sidebarwidth
\newdimen\beamer@headheight
\usebeamerfont{frametitle}
\beamer@sidebarwidth=2.5\baselineskip
\beamer@headheight=2.5\baselineskip
\reset@font

\def\beamer@lefttext{left}

\DeclareOptionBeamer{hideothersubsections}[]{\beamer@nav@subsectionstyle{show/show/hide}}
\DeclareOptionBeamer{hideallsubsections}[]{\beamer@nav@subsectionstyle{hide}}

\DeclareOptionBeamer{width}{\beamer@sidebarwidth=#1}
\DeclareOptionBeamer{height}{\beamer@headheight=#1}
\DeclareOptionBeamer{left}{\def\beamer@sidebarside{left}}
 
5:18 PM
@Werner I think that's a question for @JosephWright
 
@NicolaTalbot I know, and I don't see him around...
I'll post an answer in the interim.
 
@Werner Hopefully he'll see it later.
 
@NicolaTalbot Thanks.
 
@egreg I've sorted out a discount code for TUG members and emailed it to the TUG office.
 
5:50 PM
@NicolaTalbot Good! Thank you!
 
6:06 PM
There was a jar of Nutella in the kitchen.
There was. :)
 
@PauloCereda For some reason I had an image of a nature documentary with a lone Nutella being pounced on by a hungry predator. And here we see a Nutella in its natural environment, the kitchen...
 
@NicolaTalbot LOL
@NicolaTalbot youtube.com/watch?v=lV8i-pSVMaQ then think of the scene again. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh no! The poor Nutella. Quick get out the water!
 
@NicolaTalbot Too late! bwawawawawa <- my evil laughter. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh poor Nutella. We'll miss you. Sob! :-)
 
6:14 PM
@NicolaTalbot Except @egreg, he's not a fan. :)
 
@PauloCereda Perhaps he should found the Nutella preservation society.
 
@NicolaTalbot :)
 
6:34 PM
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Q: Is TeX the only document creator with syntax highlighting?

marczellmIs there any other document creator software other than TeX (word processor, DTP, webapp etc.) that can syntax highlight source code in a number of programming languages? For me it seems like a very unique feature to TeX, that without using an external tool (formatter website+copypaste, IDE+copy...

Borderline ontopic?
 
7:16 PM
@NicolaTalbot I'm Nutella-free. ;-)
 
@PauloCereda I had to complete Level 1-1... thanks for this distraction!
 
@Werner :)
 
7:41 PM
@PauloCereda I'm so not clicking on that link
 
@percusse You know me very well. :)
 
7:53 PM
@PauloCereda, now you can hipsterize your code: instacod.es
 
@ForkrulAssail ooh! :)
 
After every jam session night I come home with full confidence then I go hmm what should I practice? and go to youtube.... then this happens
I quit drums every week
 
@percusse How does he do that?!
 
@PauloCereda he is a terrible troll... trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrollllllll
 
8:11 PM
@percusse :)
Netbook news: I'm trying Linux Mint on my netbook, since my dev notebook just got Slackware again. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Will circulate discount ASAP
 
@JosephWright Get the duck book. :)
 
@JosephWright Do you have an answer to this discussion?
 
@Werner 'Fraid not: Till's code is tricky, to say the least
@Werner Have been busy moving today: lots to catch up on
 
@JosephWright No worries! :)
 
9:05 PM
OK my journey ends here
 
@percusse WOW
 
Feel free to download Visual brainfuck and join the few fine esoteric developers around the world. Hopefully we'll make it to... 27?
hahahahaha
 
9:29 PM
A quick question please: In a book style, should I be adding an explicit \newpage between sections? I never used book style before. In article class, I always add \newpage before \section to make each section show up on new page. I know I can try this to find out, but I am away from the PC now. Thought someone will know easily?
 
9:50 PM
@Nasser It's never a good idea to add content explicitly to something that should be done "automatically".
If you always want to add \newpage before \section, then make it part of the command via a redefinition (or a patch).
This method is in line with:
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Q: Consistent typography

WernerWhen working with large documents, or even across multiple (smaller) documents, I often find that I forget which typographical consistencies I should stick to. With TeX being inherently consistent in the way it does things, most things are kept organized without the user even knowing about it. A...

...of course, promoting consistency.
 
@Werner good idea ! I keep struggling with where a new page should show up or not. I need to automate things for sure.
 
Now, there might not be much in terms of consistency that you'll miss if you add it manually, but it cleans up your code and allows for easy updates in the future.
In this instance, it may be as simple as \let\oldsection\section \renewcommand{\section}{\newpage\oldsection}...
...or using \clearpage for flushing floats.
 
10:03 PM
@egreg Hi! I got probably lost. Another what? :)
 
@tohecz Another one who claims to have easily proved Fermat's Last Theorem. :(
 
@egreg oh, well, I've seen an UFO ... :D
 
@tohecz Amateur! I've been on one. :P
 
@egreg LOL!!!
well, 'nuf said ;)
 
@Nasser It's easy to do it, but why should every section start on a new page?
 
10:07 PM
@egreg Oh, This is for my HW's. Each problem, I'd like it to start on a new page. Easier for the grader also. Having a new problem start in middle of a page does not look as good also.
Each problem is a section (or subsection depending on the style). That is why I need to insert \newpage manually all the time. depending on what is it I am doing.
 
@Nasser I don't think so, but the document is yours. :) In any case, it's better to add code to \section rather than typing \clearpage\section each time. It's as easy as \usepackage{etoolbox}\preto\section{\clearpage} (assuming the class doesn't redefine \section in strange ways.
 
@egreg thanks for the hint. So I should use \clearpage vs. \newpage?
 
@Nasser In general it's better \clearpage, because it also flushes floats.
 
@egreg thanks!
 
11:00 PM
@egreg You're teaching Algebra, right?
 
@tohecz Yes
 
@egreg am I correct here with my arguments, please?
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A: Prove that $I= \{a+bi \in ℤ[i] : a≡b \pmod{2}\}$ is an maximal ideal of $ℤ[i]$.

tohecz$I$ is an ideal because clearly $\mathbb Z[i]\cdot I=I$ (that's very easy to verify by definition). Then it's sufficient to say that $I$ has index $2$ as a subgroup and $2$ is a prime number therefore the only supergroup of $I$ inside $\mathbb Z[i]$ is the whole $\mathbb Z[i]$.

 
@tohecz Yes, but showing it has index 2 is just the same as proving that 1\in I
 
@egreg 1 is not in I, is it?
well, it has index 2 because there're 2 congruence classes modulo 2 ;)
 
@tohecz Sorry, that if a number is not in I, then 1 belongs to I
@tohecz Yes, this is right
 
11:05 PM
well, ok. Time to go to bed. The Scottish dancing is quit exhaustive.
 
I have no idea of what you guys are talking about, so I'll make duck noises. :)
quack
 
@tohecz This proves that when one has an idea about something, it's difficult to see different ways about it.
 
@egreg what?
 
@PauloCereda Just basic algebra.
 
@tohecz Good night, Tom! Quack :)
 
11:06 PM
@tohecz I couldn't see the obvious. ;-)
 
@PauloCereda /grabbing a rifle
 
@egreg Not that basic for me. :)
@tohecz Oh no! :)
 
@egreg you mean the obvious value of the index?
 
@tohecz Yes
 
@egreg oh yes, that's my fav. But again, algebraic number theory is quite crucial for me :)
 
11:08 PM
@egreg: I still have some algebra books to dissect, but first I have a pile of theory of computation ones. :)
 
@tohecz However RI=R is not a sufficient condition; in this case it's quite clear that it's a subgroup, though.
 
@egreg com'on, it's a congruence with zero RHS ;)
 
@tohecz Closure under addition is almost obvious, in this case. But it's easy to show examples where RI is a subset of I, while I is not an ideal.
 
@egreg yep, but I bet they'd never be the congruence classes containing the zero ;)
anyways, I really go.
 
11:59 PM
This command by @egreg works very nice
\usepackage{etoolbox}\preto\section{\clearpage}
but is there a way to disable it in few places? For example, suppose I have one section that I do _not_ want to clearpage before it. Is there a command I can \disable_clear_page\section{...}  and continue?  so that the default will be to \clearpage, unless otherwise told to?
 

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