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7:30 AM
@barbarabeeton Thanks, that seems like a reasonable explanation.
 
 
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8:31 AM
@AlanMunn ooh
@samcarter ooh
@Plergux ooh
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
 
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@DavidCarlisle ooh
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
 
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2:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle Next milestone will be 22222, a very special one for obvious reasons. ;-)
@PauloCereda ^^
 
 
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4:02 PM
@gusbrs ooh
 
4:36 PM
I'm trying to use a verbatim environment in the body of a macro, and it's giving me errors. I remember encountering this before, but can't remember what the issue is, exactly.
 
@FaheemMitha The issue is verbatim material in the body of a macro.
 
Is the case that any environment cannot be included in the body of a macro, or is it verbatim only?
@TeXnician Ah, OK. I did a search, but did not find that exactly.
I mean, for a question that asked that.
 
It's a FAQ, obviously.
 
@TeXnician Ah. OK, thank you.
I guess I get rid of that verbatim environment. I don't really need it, anyway.
 
5:31 PM
Hi, everyone. I'm new to TexMaker and MikTex, but I'm trying to test a .cls file that was sent to me. I've been searching online to try to find an answer but I'm still at a loss. Can anyone provide me with some insight?
 
5:46 PM
@ErAvE What exactly do you need to know? You can put the class file in the folder of your source document and then use \documentclass{xxx} where xxx is the name of the class.
 
@AlanMunn Thanks, I'll give that a try!
 
@ErAvE If you anticipate using the class repeatedly, then it's best to put it in your local texmf folder, but if it's a one-off use, then just keeping it in the same folder as your source will suffice.
@ErAvE For the second more permanent method see tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1137/…
 
6:14 PM
@AlanMunn I appreciate the help, thank you!
 
6:47 PM
Page 155 in my copy of the TeX book is printed slightly "bolder" than the rest of the book. Is it so for anyone else?
(154 to the left, 155 to the right)
 
7:14 PM
@mickep Who published your copy of the TeXbook? As far as I know, it has no international printings. But of course I could be wrong.
 
7:45 PM
@mickep -- I don't have a printed copy of the TeXbook handy, but I've noticed this sort of effect in TUGboat issues when I get the editor's copy to check. I"ve seen similar effects in even "high-quality" publications, such as in a copy of National Geographic, one signature printed in 4 colors (CMYK) was missing the Y component. (Made for very dark photographs.) It's a lapse of quality control in printing. For TUGboat, I don't usually complain unless the difference is very great.
 
8:13 PM
@FaheemMitha Addison Weley (Millenium edition)
 
@mickep OK.
 
@barbarabeeton I wonder why it is there. If there was some color figure on that page, I could understand. It is almost as if the MetaFont parameters were changed for that page only.
 
8:25 PM
@mickep -- The cause is not the fonts or their design. It's the amount of ink on the press. Offset printing depends on a careful balance between oil (the ink) and water (the "fountain solution"). If the flow of ink isn't constant and carefully controlled, over- or underprinted pages can result. At the speed at which modern presses run, the balance can change in a fraction of a second, and some of the attention to this balance is still human. How quickly can you turn off a switch?
 
@barbarabeeton I would have thought with modern automation and computers and such, the amount of ink would be precisely calculated.
At least for a modern and presumably expensive printing press.
 
@FaheemMitha -- Expensive, certainly. So presses aren't likely to be replaced before their cost has been amortized. Automation and computers have not voided Murphy's Law, and I believe that QC is still largely human. My guess is that pages 154 and 155 are in different signatures.
 
8:44 PM
@barbarabeeton Aha, thanks for the explanation!
(I'm one of those preferring slightly bolder computer modern, so I will not complain!) :)
 
@mickep -- Just curious ... Have you ever spent time in a printing establishment, or run an offset press? (It's a worthwhile experience. I've run a low-end offset, and the number of things that can go wrong really give one an unparalleled education.)
 
@barbarabeeton No, I haven't, and I don't know any close. The local publisher that the university often uses sends their print jobs to other (probably cheaper) countries. :/
 
@mickep -- The AMS still has an inhouse print shop. I was instructed by the very competent printer who was at the time head of that department. Although the equipment has been upgraded a number of times since then, the basic principles haven't changed. Offset printing is still based on the principle of oil vs. water.
 
9:02 PM
@barbarabeeton That sounds very interesting. Maybe one day, I will get to see something like it. I hope the newer equipment gives the same good quality.
 
@mickep -- The newer equipment is certainly capable of excellent and consistent quality. It still has to be set up properly, and there are a lot more things that may need to be adjusted now.
 
9:34 PM
hi there, is there any one here knows why Matlab doesn't show the correct symbol for \mathcal{B} in its live editor?
It says it supports Latex syntax but this is not working with \mathcal{}
I'm getting this symbol instead
where I'm expecting this one
 
it's just a choice of font
 
how to force Matlab to show the correct font?
 
@DavidCarlisle and he is fond of the latter font...
 
@Skillmon not fond but I need to stick with the book I'm reading.
 
@CroCo no idea:-) "correct" isn't the right word though more "the font you expected"
@CroCo but I do have matlab here, what exactly are you doing (I never used its latex tools) so if you give a matlab mwe I could look. Note that the tex mathcal font is a bit eccentric and might be difficult to copy unless you can actually use the tex fonts
 
9:47 PM
@CroCo why though? (I was just going for the admittedly bad play on words)
 
I'm using Live Editor to show the following
but the book I'm reading uses the other font.
it seems Matlab has its own fonts not as claimed supporting Latex syntax.
or partially supported.
If you open Matlab>Live script>insert>latex equation
 
syntax is input syntax the shape of the letters is just the font choice so I don't think that this is a case of supporting or not supporting latex syntax, presumably none of it is computer modern
 
@CroCo but is the live preview the same as the final thing?
 
@Skillmon that isn't preview, this is an actual script which supports both text and calculations modes.
@DavidCarlisle see the above.
 
yep found it thanks, never been in those parts of matlab:-)
 
9:54 PM
Live Editor is a new feature. I think they compete with Mathematica in this sense.
\mathcal{R} isn't the same with latex.
In the documentation, it says
 
@CroCo it is the same, it's just different. If you just write abc then you do not get exactly the same abc as in latex either, it is not using computer modern, this script font may be a bit more different than you expect but there is no conceptual difference
@CroCo but I was looking to see whether you could choose which font it is using
 
What is the name of the font Matlab uses for this command?
 
@CroCo I can't see any font choice for this live edit script so I can't tell what it is using or if you can change it
 
Thanks. May be I need to ask it in their forum.
 
Evil @Werner, misusing his new moderator powers to remove my comments calling out the flaws in his code!
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:)
 
10:04 PM
@CroCo given I hadn't even noticed this was there until 5 minutes ago I'm probably not the best person to ask about it
 
@DavidCarlisle to be honest I was suspicious they will provide all functionalities Tex does. It seems it is hard to compete with Tex and its beauty.
 
@DavidCarlisle and @CroCo -- I do think that "incorrect" is correct here. What's showing is a script font, which is not the same as calligraphic. Even Unicode has finally accepted that distinction.
 
@barbarabeeton but then again Unicode has accepted emojis....
 
@Skillmon -- Sad but true.
 
@CroCo I think this but I couldn't get it to do anything, might be setting it in the wrong place
Live Editor normal font name, specified as a character vector. To get the list of available system fonts, use the listfonts function.

Example: s.matlab.fonts.editor.normal.Name.TemporaryValue = 'Arial'
@barbarabeeton ah you are here, I was going to blame you:-)
@barbarabeeton unicode14 has but I don't think any existing fonts support that so in current fonts you get whichever you get which (following Cambria math) is most likely the script version
 
10:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle I think this will change the font of the Editor not the outcome of Latex equation.
Also, Live editor uses SansSerif font.
not sure if changing this will make any difference.
 
@CroCo yes although there were separate ones for code and heading so I thought it was the output but as I say I couldn't make it waork
@CroCo yes arial was in their doc as an "obvious" change but I couldn't get it to work (I just searched for live script font in the matlab help came up with a page of such settings)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- But it should still be called \mathscr, not \mathcal.
 
@DavidCarlisle if you do this, you can change the font
s = settings
s.matlab.fonts.codefont.Name.TemporaryValue = 'Times New Roman'
But this changes only the command window font.
@barbarabeeton this is exactly my point. They claim the editor supports Latex commands but obviously this is not the appearance Tex provides.
 
@barbarabeeton the typesetting engine (whether matlab or tex) can't know what shape the characters are, you just get whatever the font designer put in the math script B slo
@CroCo no tex will provide exactly that if for example you use luatex and specify cambria math (which is probably closest to what matlab is doing) choice of font isn't the same as supporting or not supporting the syntax
 
@DavidCarlisle -- Agreed, but I'm sticking to my opinion here.
 
10:35 PM
@barbarabeeton that's OK we can only argue if you are wrong and I am right.
 
hahaha
 
@CroCo -- It's okay. @DavidCarlisle and I have known each other for a loooong time, and our insults are always meant in the other's best interests. (Living an ocean away from each other has its advantages.)
 
I can see that.
@DavidCarlisle I got this from their forum by their staff
 
@CroCo that explains why I couldn't find the setting
 
10:45 PM
@CroCo I was using 2021a just now
 
@Skillmon even more cheating is that I knew the right documentation ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle me too. Their comment is not that old. I assume it will take some time to reflect this change.
 
11:04 PM
@Skillmon what's even worse than emoji being in unicode are keyboards which make it convenient for their users to spam the site with non-sense comments like this:
The question stackoverflow.com/q/70734894/2777074 makes me wonder if "advantage: you use tikz, disadvantage: you use tikz" would be a valid response :)
 
@DavidCarlisle it seems the Live editor doesn't support align mode either which is odd.
As far as I know with my experience with Matlab, they like to add features but it takes them very long to ameliorate such features.
 

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