@DavidCarlisle Not wet also here (Garda lake)

@DonHosek Yes, I do prefer \NewDocumentCommand.

I was left a little confused by the above exchange. Should I use \NewCommandCopy{\NewName}{\OldName}, or is the non-braces version safer?

I realise that TeX doesn't handle braces as one might naively expect. Actually, I can't remember what it does right now.

@FaheemMitha both works. I prefer like Joseph the version without the braces, but this is a style question, not a question which is safer.

@UlrikeFischer OK.

@FaheemMitha Like I said last night, Lamport took a very clear line in the LaTeX book, so all document commands have to work with braces around their argument

@JosephWright Oh, that's what you meant.

Sounds like extra work.

@FaheemMitha Yes, but he was trying to avoid getting technical

@JosephWright Lamport was?

@FaheemMitha Like I said, my take is where you have to have a single-token, it's clearer to omit the braces

@FaheemMitha Yes

@JosephWright OK.

@CarLaTeX good weather for growing pineapples

@DavidCarlisle what is good weather for pineapples? Hot to get used to pizza oven temperature?

I have just noticed that the "last visited" entry was removed from user profiles.

@AlexG I see 'last seen ...'

@JosephWright Or last seen... I don't see it anymore. Did they increase the needed rep to see this?

@AlexG I'm not the person to ask!

@DavidCarlisle hmmmm twitter.com/sascha_p/status/1422814688539299840

@PauloCereda No pineapples! Good machine!

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 :)

@DavidCarlisle Pineapple is good, until it is not put on pizza :P

@PauloCereda was about to get Indian, but you changed my mind :)

@yo' ooh <3

@PauloCereda 77 to go

@DavidCarlisle ooh

twitter.com/Nick_Craver/status/1423602836978475010 <- the worst thing about this sign is the use of proportional figures which makes the 4th entry misaligned

@PauloCereda How about turning this pizza machine into a restaurant? Instead of waiting until the waiter takes your order, the guests could sit on their table, program their pizza, make a pull request to the github page of the restaurant and then get their food once the github action ran :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 ooh

@PauloCereda And for the logistics of bringing the food to the table: youtube.com/watch?v=xcbT0ogZMEY (sorry, I did not find an English version)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 ooh that's awesome

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 Where are you watching the TUG talks? If you're keen we could watch some of the early evening talks together. Just write me an email.

@HenriMenke Thanks for the kind offer! Sadly I won't be in $cityname

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 Blame @PauloCereda

@PhelypeOleinik oh no

@PhelypeOleinik Good strategy :)

@PhelypeOleinik seems fair, thoug I liked the new beta interface when there is an error

@PauloCereda stop breaking stuff

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@PauloCereda dinner

@DavidCarlisle er... quack?

@daleif Ah indeed, it is infinitely better than the old one!

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 @UlrikeFischer ^^ the memories!

@PauloCereda The colour is confusing :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 I blame @JosephWright and l3colour :)

@PauloCereda :D

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@AlanMunn a good first attempt at a latex document. Now try to find the d key and soon you will have \documentclass

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 the red square should be replaced by a much more shouting banner for most users atm ;-)

@yo' :thumbsup:

@yo' ooh

@yo' <marquee> :)

@JosephWright From teaching LaTeX and writing a book about it, I've found that consistency is easier for people to follow. It's also why LaTeX uses \frac{a}{b} in place of a\over b and why LaTeX switched to \textit{foo} from {\it foo\/} with 2e.

@yo' I'm working with all the IDEs as I finish my book. aucTeX for Emacs is really bad about hiding errors. Add in the fact that the run LaTeX button in my Emacs stopped working inexplicably and my decades-long history of writing LaTeX in Emacs is coming to an end. I think next up will be the plugin for IntelliJ

@DonHosek Who is your publisher?

zoom countdown clock says 10 minutes to go

@DavidCarlisle omg I run to get my wine chiller bucket

it's live

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@StefanKottwitz I'm self-publishing. LaTeX in 2021 is niche enough that I doubt I'd get a publisher these days and with services like IngramSpark for print and Gumroad for digital, it's not too bad to deal with.

@DonHosek do you have reviewers?

@DavidCarlisle It's been a struggle but I think I will finally figure out where it is. No luck yet, as this sentence shows.

@DonHosek @StefanKottwitz is the expert here :)

@DonHosek Right now I'm doing a 2nd revised edition of a LaTeX Beginner's Guide in 2021 with a publisher, so it's still possible.

@StefanKottwitz Indeed :)

@DonHosek And the feedback of content editor, technical editor, reviewers, style/grammar reviewers helped a lot in improving, so I'm glad I did not make it alone on my own.

@StefanKottwitz I do, but I'm always happy for more.

@DonHosek Feel free to ping me: I've reviewed a few over the years

@DonHosek You know Frank is working on TLC3?

@StefanKottwitz I do have the advantage that I've got significant editorial/design experience (not to mention that most of my formal education was centered around writing, my BA was in English and I have an MFA in fiction)

@JosephWright Yes, Frank and I email occasionally.

@DonHosek Cool

@DavidCarlisle Trust Word's spell checker

@AlanMunn title text of the newest xkcd: "The only other person to walk by was a linguist back in the 80s, but she just spent a while dissecting the phrase 'help me down' before getting distracted by a squirrel and wandering off."

@PauloCereda I didn't notice it right away myself. Of course it could be that there were 19 Davids¹ in the pool and they had poor bladder control.

1. At one point as an undergrad I lived in a dorm that had more Daves than women.

@PauloCereda can't be @DavidCarlisle though as he's David-1770...

excellent table colour choices

@DavidCarlisle I thought that too ;-)