@Skillmon apart from the fact that a high level description of latex might be "hide the somewhat inconsistent syntax displayed in the texbook":-)

@UlrikeFischer see discussion ablove, and tex.stackexchange.com/questions/307252/… ?

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle yes, I knew that there were more around somewhere. But I wonder what was the problem with chessboard he refers too @michal.h21?

quack

@PauloCereda Esmorzar

@PauloCereda Quakc

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle people should have stayed with backgammon

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@JosephWright ooh more ducks

@PauloCereda or reversi

@DavidCarlisle ooh Bruno

@DavidCarlisle \over

@Skillmon ooh \over\the\rainbow :)

@UlrikeFischer I don't remember what the problems were, but I found a newer answer that support the original \showboard command: tex.stackexchange.com/a/367804/2891

@michal.h21 where do the \a: and \b: command names come from? Are they commands always constructed and used by tex4ht?

@Skillmon but also {} gives you a normal space but \ is a control space which is not the same esp with respect to spacefactor

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle ooh only eight pounds for a course of ten

@UlrikeFischer They come from \NewConfigure{name}{2}. This creates \a:name and \b:name.

@UlrikeFischer perhaps the 2e kernel should have generic command hooks.....

@DavidCarlisle ;-) I'm just trying to translate the concept into hooks.

[ 2/49, 00:03/16:15] update: arara [12235k] (57972 -> 58764) ... done

@michal.h21 You are pre- and appending them to showboard. What are then doing there? I mean what is the right place for these commands?

@Skillmon But people here are recommending \TeX{}.

@PauloCereda ^^ fortunately no user interface exposed at texlive.net though, so people are safe

Hi, I am confused if my concern is on-topic here or not. I wish to write maths equations using LaTeX in my free WordPress blog. What's is the best solution to enable LaTeX without upgrading my blog to the business plan?

@DavidCarlisle this deserves a TUGboat article. :)

@raf just use mathjax, doesn't require any special wordpress features

@DavidCarlisle ooh a royal air force bloke

@DavidCarlisle Can I enable mathjax in my free wordpress blog? I will be grateful if someone gives a detailed answer in this question.

@DavidCarlisle <3

@raf I know nothing much about wordpress but if you can get <script src="example.com"></script> into the generated html file you can use mathjax

@raf mathjax have some wordpress info here it is a bit old and better to use the newer mathjax3 url that you just gave but the wordpress side is probably the same

@DavidCarlisle Yes. I found that I have to put <script async id="MathJax-script" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/mathjax@3/es5/tex-chtml.js"></script> somewhere. But I don't understand where and how.

docs.mathjax.org/en/v1.1-latest/platforms/wordpress.html

@raf in practice you can put it anywhere, as long as wordpress doesn't strip "unsafe" script tags

@raf adding it to your wordpress configuratiion is just a convenience to get it added to the site template to save adding it by hand on every page

@DavidCarlisle yes, that will be more convenient. Thank you. I need to try it.

@DavidCarlisle This doc is quite old from 2011. In my WordPress dashboard, I couldn't find the editor option... Thus I don't understand how to go to the header.php in the theme template files. I need to discuss this with someone who uses WordPress now.

@UlrikeFischer The code that is passed to \Configure{name}{\a:name code}{\b:name code} is inserted here. So when you use \Configue{name}{\Picture+{}}{\EndPicture}, whole content that is enclosed between the two is converted to picture.

@michal.h21 Well it would be rather easy to add hooks that tex4ht can use (as David wrote, we are actually just discussing some solutions here, as we need such hooks for tagging too.). But the question is why you failed for chessboard. Perhaps the internal pgf code is the real problem? In Davids example in texlive.net, dvipng complained a lot.

@raf This is newer and Peter was manager of the mathjax project for a while so should be reliable wordpress.org/plugins/simple-mathjax

@UlrikeFischer the one issue is that TikZ really needs dvisvgm for the output, it just don't work with dvipng. other issue is that without the correct configuration, three svg files are produces. Only when you put the whole output of \chesboard to a picture, it works.

@michal.h21 for complicated things like the boards or pgfplots or pstricks it would be fairly simple at the macro level to make them be shipped out to a separate page, then if you ran the dvips you could get a final image(or possibly svg) from the relevant page of the postscript this might need less package specific customisation, not sure...

@DavidCarlisle this is more or less what \Picture+{} ... \EndPicture does. The page is then extracted to special DVI file, which is then processed by a configurable DVI processing command.

@michal.h21 yes that's what I thought it did, which was why I didn't feel too bad suggesting it:-) but then can I use dvips followed by some ps to image convert rather than use dvipng? ah "configurable" I guess that means I can. Hmmm I should experiment more I guess.

@DavidCarlisle dvisvgm works best, it is used by default when you use the "svg" option. Here are details on the image conversion configuration: kodymirus.cz/make4ht/make4ht-doc.html#x1-250005.4

@michal.h21 yes svg will be good so that would be "2,mathjax,svg" ?

@DavidCarlisle yes. but the problem is that TikZ has default driver for TeX4ht that doesn't work well for anything complicated, so you need to declare that \def\pgfsysdriver{pgfsys-dvisvgm4ht.def} in TeX sources, which isn't really nice.

@DavidCarlisle Looks good

@michal.h21 can that be in a file such as pgfplots.4ht or is that too late and it really needs to be in the source file? At texlive.net I have full access to the source before passing it to make4ht so I coudld prepend that pgfsysdriver definition if needed, although I have tried to not do too many "hidden" processes so people can do the same docuemnt on their local installation.

@DavidCarlisle You are really enjoying this, aren't you?

@JosephWright more of a challenge than simply running pdflatex as that "just works" :-)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle That's probably why I'm back on siunitx v3 :)

Speaking of which, I think I know now how to do \numrange, etc. with proper internal API separation: that's the last thing I need to get to alpha-3

@JosephWright maybe I should do lt 5 instead

@DavidCarlisle There is that

@DavidCarlisle Between the two of us, we can break all the numerical tables

@DavidCarlisle I'm wondering seriously whether I should 'take' n as a column type - it's used by numprint, but it would be better than S :)

@JosephWright customisable package level key to specify the column letter?

@michal.h21 can't tikz update them?

@DavidCarlisle Yes, exactly: it's not done yet, but as I want to move from \SI to \qty, I already need some interfaces = {v2,v3} load-time key, so it would fit in there

@DavidCarlisle it needs to be defined before TikZ is loaded. But it can be inserted to tikz-hooks.4ht, which is loaded when you run \usepackage{tikz}.

@michal.h21 aha sounds like a plan

@DavidCarlisle table-column-identifers = {S,n} perhaps

@UlrikeFischer Probably. I still haven't officially released the driver, because it has issues with patterns. I found a solution for patterns, but it doesn't work with Tikz pictures that include other pictures. I guess it is a time for a bug report on TikZ tracker

@DavidCarlisle My plan is to 'properly' tidy up interfaces, hence thinking that 'long-term' I want n ('numeric') - as we no longer plan a separate format, I guess between dcolumn and siunitx we cover the 'official' numerical column support

@michal.h21 Good stuff

@michal.h21 I hope @DavidCarlisle isn't making too much work

@JosephWright looks OK, you could have table-column-identifers = {D} emulate-dcolumn-syntax=yes and I can hand over another set of package support to you.

@DavidCarlisle Might be worth it for a future release: I already have a list for v3.1, so I'll log for v3.2

@DavidCarlisle the only issue is that I cannot write to TeX4ht source repo at the moment :(

@michal.h21 you could also use a file hook to replace the file.

@JosephWright it is ok :)

@DavidCarlisle x

@DavidCarlisle Couldn't be simply table-column-identifers as that's for a column with the S-type syntax

@JosephWright yes I meant that the emulate-dcolumn switch would over-ride that although probably better to have a separate key to just enable D-with-dcolumn syntax taking three arguments so that you could have both co-existing

@DavidCarlisle I was thinking just emulate-dcolumn which would provide D, block loading of dcolumn, etc.: I've marked as 'future' but actually the work here is relatively easy

@JosephWright good column type are a scarce resource;-). I normally use commands like \THhead to avoid to run into some existing one.

@UlrikeFischer I know - like I said, 'long-term'

@UlrikeFischer I'm not going on a land grab, don't worry: I know I need to be mindful of existing usage (e.g. still need to deal with \qty being used by the physics package)

@JosephWright yes there are less than 50 lines of code so emulation of D could simply use that, but I suppose, there is no challenge in that:-)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@AlanMunn will be pleased: I just wrote a new glossing package.

@DavidCarlisle ???

@JosephWright answer on site

@DavidCarlisle Motion to include longtable in the LaTeX kernel

@PauloCereda it's too long, doesn't fit

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle you could break it over some pages.

@UlrikeFischer :)

@ComFreek align doesn't really support column spans (although you can fake it) so D&E or D&&E are the natural answers.

@DavidCarlisle Is there any better environment for use case then?

@ComFreek well you ddidn't give many clues as to the requirement, how do you want D and E to align with respect to A B and C (and why is there nothing in the column between B and C ?)

@DavidCarlisle I can't add this plugin without upgrading the site to a business plan, which I don't want. So, I end up using Blogspot site. Here I find it easy to enable mathjax: koutuholi.blogspot.com/2021/04/testing-mathjax.html

The same feature should exist in the WordPress site too. I didn't find the theme editor.

@raf Ok as I say I know nothing about wordpress but it seems odd if you have to pay to add one element to the head of your generated page.

@raf The free sites are rather limited; I would be tempted to self-host (it's pretty easy)

Did people see github.com/learnlatex/learnlatex.github.io/issues/162?

Stupid question of the day: is it possible to create a command that: 1) read the current file discarding everything up to \end{document} 2) execute any filecontents environment there, and 3) returns to continue execution?

@Rmano other than "tex is turing complete so possibly yes", no. why put filecontents after end document?

@DavidCarlisle to hide big pics definition to users that have editors that do not understand folding (so we are saved ;-)

@JosephWright such a thing is possibly most useful for command completion in the editor, ace has an api for that which we don't use (we could ask ....someone... for their data:-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, true

@Rmano can't you put them just before end document rather than after, and pick them up on the second run?

@DavidCarlisle hmm, no, because if I use a pic it must be already defined.

Not so important, truly. Don't worry. I now send two files instead of one and no problem.

@Rmano put \zzz before and after the filecontents and in the preamble do \long\def\getzzz#1\zzz#2\zzz{#2#1}\getzzz what could go wrong...

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle :-O

[paulo@cambridge ~] $ java -version
openjdk version "11.0.10" 2021-01-19
OpenJDK Runtime Environment Microsoft-18724 (build 11.0.10+9)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Microsoft-18724 (build 11.0.10+9, mixed mode)

@DavidCarlisle ^^

@Rmano Maybe the catchfilebetweentags package could be helpful?

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 Going to look... thanks

@DavidCarlisle you are right. I find it odd too. I can easily edit the theme template on the free Blogger site. But I don't why the theme editor for the free WordPress site is missing!

Now I find this one:

@JosephWright I don't know anything about self-hosting.. will check it. Thanks.

@JosephWright That's a cool site!

@Rmano I was thinking something along the lines of

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{catchfilebetweentags}

\begin{document}

text

\ExecuteMetaData{foo}

\end{document}

%<*foo>
lalala
%</foo>

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 no \zzz ?

@DavidCarlisle I'm German :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 yes, checking it!...

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 that explains it

Interesting. I mentioned at one point that I have issues with evince crashing when using latexmk+lualatex. I've switched to TL21 and still have issues. But today I also noticed this message

It seems evince crashes at the very end of the latexmk compilation. I'll go back to pdflatex.

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 works like a charm! not tried with filecontents, but no need either...

@DavidCarlisle a receipt for chinese ducks:

% !TeX LuaLaTeX


\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{bookmark}
\begin{document}
\chapter*{Duck}
\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{\string\numberline{}{Duck} }
\end{document}

@Rmano Great to hear! As long as you don't need fragile content it works fairly well.

er what happened there?

@UlrikeFischer fortunately I can read the bookmark in English ^^^

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 yes, filecontents seems to fail. But it works for my case!

@Rmano so a typical xy problem :)

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 lucky it was only xy and didn't need another letter

@DavidCarlisle Nice isn't it. With hyperref it is not so dramatic (unless you use older texlive), then you get only this:

https://texlive.net/run?%25%20!TeX%20LuaLaTeX%0A%5Cdocumentclass%7Bbook%7D%0A%5Cusepackage%7Bbookmark%7D%0A%5Cbegin%7Bdocument%7D%0A%5Cchapter*%7BDuck%7D%0A%5Caddcontentsline%7Btoc%7D%7Bchapter%7D%7B%5Cstring%5Cnumberline%7B%7D%7BDuck%7D%20%7D%0A%5Cend%7Bdocument%7D

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 yes!

@DavidCarlisle otherwise it would had to wait for you to diagnose it :)

but basically the \string\numberline gives \376\377\num in the bookmarks and then everything is off ...

@samcarter_looks_forward_TUG'21 or @UlrikeFischer who has gone way beyond minor issues with accessing ascii letters

@UlrikeFischer Berlin Duck is more fun: nobucksranch.com/image/cache/data/category_25/…

@UlrikeFischer im confused so that is a utf16 bom in octal followed by the string in ascii?

why do we write that?

@DavidCarlisle we don't, we are better and use \protect, but confused users write \string instead and then ask me why the bookmark is in chinese ...

@UlrikeFischer if the title had been \Duck how should it be marked up \addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{\protect\numberline{}{\string\Duck} } gives Chinese, \protect or \noexpand give undefined command errors

@DavidCarlisle \textbackslash?

@UlrikeFischer that works:-)

@DavidCarlisle imgur.com/a/L3Ag2bI

I hope the image is self-explanatory

@ComFreek can't you just use &\cong on both rows?

Then I would lose the alignment of the equal signs at the left

And if I used &= ... &&\cong, I would face the problem that in later rows where are no \congs anymore

@ComFreek ??? on the first line you have three & with \cong after the third don't you? why can't you do the same on the second?

I can

I meant, e.g., in the last row I only want one alignment (i.e. two columns) to happen

@ComFreek or possibly a more semantic markup would be not to have & before cong and luse a two roe aligned[t] at that point to carry the tow cong clauses

Punctuation

@PauloCereda Sounds about right

@PauloCereda @barbarabeeton would have changed it to a semicolon and spoiled the joke completely.

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle -- Hmmmmph.

sounds good, I'll try

@barbarabeeton /hug

@DavidCarlisle I think the Joke there is immune to punctuation

@Skillmon -- The problem here is that LaTeX doesn't want you to use \def. And anyone who started off using LaTeX almost certainly hasn't read the TeXbook. (And maybe not the LaTeX manual either. Remrmber what @DavidCarlisle says about reading documentation.)

@DavidCarlisle I now have \begin{align*}A &= \begin{aligned}...\end{aligned}\end{align*}. Here, ... is multi-line, how can I force the aligned to align at top?

    1
A = 2
    3

Currently that's how it looks like

I want

A = 1
    2
    3

@ComFreek use {aligned}[t] but it would have been much easier to answer a question with an actual example on site rather than guess ascii art in chat:-)

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`..__          ;
     `.       /
       ;      `..---...___
     .'                   `~-. .-')
    .                         ' _.'
   :                           :
   \                           '
    +                         J
     `._                   _.'
        `~--....___...---~'

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██║  ██║██║██║╚██╗██║██║╚██╗██║██╔══╝  ██╔══██╗
██████╔╝██║██║ ╚████║██║ ╚████║███████╗██║  ██║
╚═════╝ ╚═╝╚═╝  ╚═══╝╚═╝  ╚═══╝╚══════╝╚═╝  ╚═╝

       _
  ___ | |__    _ __   ___
 / _ \| '_ \  | '_ \ / _ \
| (_) | | | | | | | | (_) |
 \___/|_| |_| |_| |_|\___/

@DavidCarlisle how do you make it so fast?

@UlrikeFischer I'm very good at typing accurately?

   ____     _       _   _    ____
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 \|  _ \/U | | u  \| |\| | \|  _ \/
  | |_) | \| |/__  | |_| |  | |_) |
  |____/   |_____|<<\___/   |____/
 _|| \\_   //  \\(__) )(   _|| \\_
(__) (__) (_")("_)   (__) (__) (__)

@UlrikeFischer ooh

@UlrikeFischer I need to ask again, it drives me crazy :( How do I get ß with CM/LM fonts and lualatex? \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}+\usepackage{lmodern} doesn't work. I get SS in the output.

@AlexG you would have to make it active. But why do you want to use T1 and lmodern?

What else? I want the standard font.

@AlexG but the standard font for lualatex is lmroman10-regular.otf and not a type1 font.

@DavidCarlisle yes, but apart from token list manipulation and some weird catcode changes like \ExplSyntaxOn, that's about all the difference there is. And the spacefactor difference is non-existent, nobody sees the difference between 1000 and 999, and if a period or similar follows with a big enough spacefactor to see the difference, you wouldn't use \ anyway.

@UlrikeFischer What do you mean with "make it active", what do I need to put into the preamble?

@AlexG why do you need it? I mean the following simply works, so why do you want to convert it in something that doesn' t work by loading lmodern and fontenc?

@FaheemMitha yes, they are. If you pay close enough attention you'll see that people quite frequently recommend other solutions than DEK to common problems. Most of us wouldn't have implemented \over the way it is implemented for instance. And many of us use different loop constructs than \loop...\repeat (well, and iirc the LaTeX implementation of \loop...\repeat differs from DEK's anyway).

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
Grüße
\end{document}

@Skillmon but you don't now what is in the user defiend macro so generally {} is safer advice:

\documentclass{article}

\def\zz{zz.}

\begin{document}

zz. zz. zz.

\zz{} \zz{} \zz{}

\zz\ \zz\ \zz\


\end{document}

@barbarabeeton But \def is so much better :) At least for the things I tend to program, as delimited arguments are quite frequent if you do low level programming.

@DavidCarlisle that's clearly user-error not false advice (maybe it is incomplete advice?).

@UlrikeFischer Ah ok. Thank you! I believed a document for pdflatex using lmodern would also work with lualatex without modification.

@Skillmon you must be mistaken. I wrote that document so user error isn't anything I have contemplated.

@AlexG loading lmodern wouldn't harm (but not change the default text font, only the math), but using fontenc simply breaks the lualatex way.

@AlexG no, for that you need to use luainputenc to disable luatex's unicode support so it reads the stream byte by byte like pdftex. It works if you really need to make it work but it is almost never what you want to do.

@DavidCarlisle also, parameterless macros that should end a sentence (so that the period should have a spacefactor > 1000 in English typography) are a) rare, and b) user-error (well, perhaps not user-error, but I'd never define those and see no good reason to do so without also taking care of following spaces). If a parameterless macro ends with a period chances are it's an abbreviation or similar, and in that case it should have spacefactor=1000.

@DavidCarlisle So, from now on anything with "*enc" should be used with caution. In the past, nothing worked without it, esp German texts.

@Skillmon that was my originall reply to @FaheemMitha, that this almost never comes up and when it does come up it's usually a tex logo command, and the docuement may be better without it. But still I think {} is easier to explain than \ which requires worrying about space factor and whether \<tab> or \<newline> or \ spaces that will be stripped from the input buffer <newline> all do the right thing.

@DavidCarlisle Given the kind of work Daniel does, I can understand why he might like the system he uses. Luckily I can get away with the regular glossing macros which have much less markup.

@AlexG inputenc you basically never need inputenc in pdftex now (and with utf8 it does nothing but warn it isn't needed in luatex or xetex) fontenc (with all the normal options) forces 8bit fonts and type 1 format neither of which are easy to use, an dalso forces incorrect hyphenation in xetex.

@AlanMunn oh and I only added that final line in my answer so I didn't incur the wrath of the assembed (other) linguists here. I thought I'd get as much flak for using tabular in a gloss as I'd get for using pineapple on a pizza

@DavidCarlisle Certainly not from me in an answer to someone who is a linguist and a very TeX savvy. I would only complain if someone proposed this to someone just starting out, in which case it's reinventing the wheel.

@Skillmon -- Unfortunately, I often find myself in a position where I feel I shouldn't profess a preference between plain TeX and LaTeX. (Fortunately, I can profess general lack of knowledge of using ConTeXt.) But there's no question I've read the TeXbook, and appreciate flexibility in choosing the most reliable and least ambiguous method to accomplish what I need to accomplish at the moment.

@barbarabeeton well, document wise I've never set a real document in plain, but versatility wise, I often end up needing \def.

@Skillmon -- Several sections of TUGboat, including the calendar and the TOC (cover 4) and other covers are still in plain. I really don't want to consider redesigning the TOC in LaTeX. Would mean starting from scratch, with no model that I can think of (even though the input is manual, because several important decisions don't have explicit guidance in the main text). Having a super-competent production editor is a great asset and comfort.

@DavidCarlisle twitter.com/GitKraken/status/1379872040170225664

twitter.com/becbot/status/1379720566295441410?s=19 <-- found this funny :)

@JosephWright I can't imagine why you thought of me!

@yo' -- Reading farther down the page, I was somewhat boggled by the idea of "Brian Mapping".

@michal.h21 your svg driver works:-) pgfplots and forest example working and the black move indicator re-appeared on the chesboard (@UlrikeFischer, @JosephWright_ davidcarlisle.github.io/latexcgi/test2-make4ht

@AlanMunn your forest example as html: https://texlive.net/run?%25%20!TeX%20make4ht%0A%5Cdocumentclass%7Barticle%7D%0A%5Cusepackage%5BT1%5D%7Bfontenc%7D%0A%5Cusepackage%5Blinguistics%5D%7Bforest%7D%0A%5Cbegin%7Bdocument%7D%0A%5Cbegin%7Bforest%7D%0A%5BVP%0A%20%20%5BDP%5C%5CJohn%20%5D%0A%20%20%5BV%E2%80%99%0A%20%20%20%20%5BV%5C%5Csent%20%5D%0A%20%20%20%20%5BDP%5C%5CMary%20%5D%0A%20%20%20%20%5BDP%5BD%5C%5Ca%5D%5BNP%5C%5Cletter%5D%5D%0A%20%20%5D%0A%5D%0A%5Cend%7Bforest%7D%0A%5Cend%7Bdocument%7D

@DavidCarlisle that looks very good. I tried to add decorations, but the coordinates seems to be off:

\chessboard[pgfstyle=cross,
color=blue,
setfen=\xskakget{nextfen},
getpiecelists,
markfields={\cblistP,\cblistp}]

the crosses should be over the fields.

@UlrikeFischer I haven't tried using Michal's skak config yet I just switched in the svg option so it's using dvisvgm rather than dvipng but otherwise it's the config we came up with before, also found a free url shortner that I think means I can post working links here: cutt.ly/kcH150N

@DavidCarlisle I have the feeling that will have to update the pgf code in chessboard. It would be nice if it would work.

@UlrikeFischer I could try the code from Michal's answer but perhaps not tonight. so main thing that fails is more or less any fontspec/unicode-math use :(

@DavidCarlisle I think Michal had some answers about that too.

@UlrikeFischer ^

@DavidCarlisle oh. What did you do?

I think I just used a SkakNew.htf file from here tex.stackexchange.com/a/307277/1090 but I was fiddling a bit so I need to isolate whatever it was and try it at texlive.net (this is local)

@UlrikeFischer hmm I copied the files up to texlive.net but get same offset there, might leave this tonight:-)

@DavidCarlisle yes, good night

oh the Skaknew file wasn't needed I get no offset here I wonder if this sis a difference in inkscape or ghostscript or something :(

@UlrikeFischer night

@DavidCarlisle Very nice. What has spurred this interest in tex4ht? A few years ago I used it to generate 41 pages of linguistic teaching materials for high schoolers. MSU removed the filespace it was hosted on, so it's not live any more, but I was very impressed with how little work it was to turn a 20 page PDF document full of phonetic fonts, tables, glossed examples (but no trees) in the working website.

@DavidCarlisle I should really put the stuff up on github at some point, but it's not really a priority at the moment.

@AlanMunn well I wanted html output at learnlatex.org and so far latexml has resisted all attempts to be installed, and lwarp seems to want in-document extra markup, so make4ht is all that is currently offered, it can now do all the examples at learnlatex except for a couple explictly using opentype fonts

@DavidCarlisle The OT fonts can't be substituted I suppose, which is why those pages don't work?

@AlanMunn it dies with random internal unexpandable commands in csname errors so it's hard to have a top level view of exactlt why it fails, it just doesn't work:-)