@PauloCereda there are good restaurants in Italy I hear, I'm sure they have duck.

@DavidCarlisle oh no

why do people tag a question with longtable, if longtable is not involved?

@UlrikeFischer because it's such a great package they wish it were involved

busy day at learnlatex

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  Number of documents returned: 203
  Number of unique user agents:  11

@DavidCarlisle can one see from which lessons the documents are?

@DavidCarlisle Why are the request and returned numbers different?

@AlanMunn some people make errors (or try the examples in the error section)

@UlrikeFischer mostly (users can block the referer header so it's not 100% acurate) although I'm a bit careful about how much information I trawl from the apache log, IP address of users for example.

@AlanMunn some people also know to use !TEX log

@UlrikeFischer oh yes, or that

@UlrikeFischer I don't believe it! ;-)

@AlanMunn you should, I know at least one person who uses it ;-)

@AlanMunn I could filter out the IP addresses of known trouble makers but it is tricky when they are on holiday and showing up from random public addresses.

@UlrikeFischer This is the TeX version of the cow math joke from The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time :) neatorama.com/2007/01/22/a-mathematical-cow-joke

@DavidCarlisle :)

@AlanMunn ooh cows

@barbarabeeton I'll be glad to take you on tour, when you visit Italy.

@egreg -- Thank you! I've never been anywhere in Italy. One summer, I had a chance, with a two-week break between conferences in France and Luxembourg, and Gordon and I had Eurailpasses. I wanted to visit Firenze, but it was so warm that we headed north instead, and ended up in Helsinki (which we liked so mech that we've visited there again several times). Italy is still on our list though. If traveling is allowed around the time of the next GUIT meeting we'll try.

gizmodo.com/…

The Island of TeX is now Gold, yay!

Next GUIT meeting will be online, but I hope that 2021 will be in presence.

@PauloCereda My first computer was a C64 (a joint birthday, Christmas and graduation gift). I do not remember when I lost it (I think I gave it away to a public library at one point). I miss it a lot sometime... and no, the emulator is not the same thing.

@egreg -- That's what I meant. Our annual peregrination to Quebec for our anniversary is unlikely to be possible either. Keeping fingers crossed for 2021.

As someone following the chemistry of the vaccine and treatments: Don't make hard plans for 2021, even if a vaccine is developed the rollout will likely not open boarders in the near future

(Unless you are New Zealand or South Korea or such, I guess)

Oh hey, my uni's thesis template is in Computer Modern, not Times New Roman, NICE

@Canageek by choice or because they did not think of setting the fonts?

@Canageek :-)

@DavidCarlisle Now I have to figure out what chemgreek mapping is the most similar to Computer Modern

newtx has Greek support built in, as does kpfonts which are what I've used in past

@Canageek isn't kp the usual one to go with cm, or is that just because it came first?

@Canageek oh that egreg bloke points out that cmunicode has textual greek

@DavidCarlisle Then I have to figure out how to use it with the chemgreek package....

@Canageek -- Er, um, nitpicker here. "Boarders" are people who pay to stay and be fed in housing designed for that purpose, as in "boarding school". It's "borders", i.e. "edges dividing two areas", that we hope will be opened as soon as it's safe. (Nothing personal, but if your dissertation is in English, you may want to have a native English speaker read it through for this sort of thing -- word pairs like this won't be found by a spell checker.)

@barbarabeeton Dammit, you are correct.

@barbarabeeton I am a native English speaker, in fact a mono-lingual one. I just had a brainfart there for a moment

@Canageek -- Oh ... I hope you're not too insulted. I just know from past experience that some academic "reviewers" are fussy about this sort of thing, and you don't want that affecting your future.

@barbarabeeton Nah, I've got a spelling disability so I know my writing comes off as a bit wrong when I don't take the time to sit down and go over it.

My partner is a professional editor though and has offered to help for at least some of it ( I edited their M.A. thesis, so seems fair, though mine is likely to be a lot longer)

@Canageek -- Good luck then! (With both spelling and chemistry.)

@barbarabeeton Thanks! Not too much chemistry left, right now I'm getting the document set up and an outline written. First chapter is due on Oct 15th, so I"m likely to be around begging for help for a bit

(Only 2 our of 5 will be on data I don't already have published)

@DavidCarlisle Ah, I can't use @egreg's way, that needs XeLaTeX, I'm using pdfLaTeX

@Canageek there are more or less standard ways to get a pdflatex compatible subset out of an opentype font these days though, I'd be surprised if someone not already done that here, but I don't know...

@Canageek the cmunicode readme says the greek comes from this pdflatex compatible font set ctan.org/pkg/cbgreek-complete?lang=en

@barbarabeeton That's such a funny description: We wanted to go to Florence but we ended up in Helsinki. :)

@barbarabeeton There's a great paper about the semantics of questions that has a related example. One theory of questions is that the meaning of a question is the set of true (in the context) answers to the question. The paper begins with the following example: You get off a plane in Helsinki, and take a taxi. You ask the taxi driver "Do you know where you are?" and they answer "Helsinki". A true answer, but nonetheless not very reassuring. :)

@Canageek Hi, longtime no see! Do you need to use pdfLaTeX? I've found very few documents of mine that depend on it.

@AlanMunn That I don't know, but the template is probably expecting it?

@Canageek It's a badly designed template if that's the case. Because the one thing that would make a template require pdfLaTeX would be one that specified fonts, but that's generally something that should always be left up to the user. So you might be able to adapt quite easily (even if the fonts stuff it included in the template, you could replace it easily to use XeLaTex or LuaLaTeX instead.)

@AlanMunn The only font stuff I see is using lmodern

@AlanMunn But then I have to learn XeLaTeX, and do a bunch of mapping so that my copy and pasted chemgreek code will work with the new setup

Or I could use upgreek which is pretty decent

(Plus I don't think the η or κ in CMUnicode match Computer Modern at all....

(Moving to XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX would make doing my citations easier as I wouldn't constantly be hunting for which citation used a strange hyphen this time, dammit)

@Canageek I would bet that changing two lines of code and you would be done. No learning involved...

@AlanMunn Fair. And I don't think chemrxiv has the issues uploading XeLaTeX code that arxiv does

@AlanMunn But given that I don't like that font as much as the other option, I'll leave it for now

Hi

I am trying to break the expression under the square root into two lines but struggling

I used \biggl{ \biggr} inside split and also have replace sqrt with 1/2

@BAYMAX \sqrt{\begin{aligned}aaa\\bbb\end{aligned}} ?

but that's not working! am thinking of another way out

@BAYMAX what's not working?

I am getting error

hah

@DavidCarlisle nice idea!

can I keep aligned inside align environment?

as I have to align three equations

@BAYMAX what did you use? any multi-line construct would work, aligned, multilined, array, ....

@BAYMAX yes

Cool! now that's working :)

Thank you@DavidCarlisle

Also how to deal with breaking into two lines inside a square root in the numerator of a fraction?

I am using split

Can i use aligned inside split?

@BAYMAX if you must (although whether the readers can read it is another matter:-)

oh ok!