@HaraldHanche-Olsen OK. So there is no anxious to implement this patented idea especially in countries other than USA, I think. To be honest, this patented idea looks like patenting how to drink water---anybody can think of it. :-)

A user here named John Kormylo also implemented computer-generated problem sheets. It is inspiring me to do the same thing, but does it "violate" the patent?

Let's move the discussion to the dedicated room here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/107711/computer-generated-problems

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hi

Hello

@Mu30murugans2katgmail Hi! We have a new duck in the pond!

@egreg dinner party today?

@DavidCarlisle ^^

OH NO

@PauloCereda eat them all before they do further damage, that's the solution.

@DavidCarlisle that's a good plan, actually...

oh wait

@DavidCarlisle OH NO

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

@DavidCarlisle oh

gather inside fleqn is very odd?, also the f l in fleqn stands for full length so everything about the environment wants to be the full text width, choosing that and then saying you want it narrower is no doubt possible but a strange starting point

Is there a way to adjust a floatrow so that it automatically adjusts according to the maximum height of some table or image...i am having a floatrow with 2 figures and a table side by side. Since the table is large, the caption is overlapping the contents of the table

@kauray you'd need to show an example, even without floatrow, just having two minipages, the caption of each part would not overflow the other

@DavidCarlisle not allowed to use minipage

@kauray you are not allowed to use a standard latex command but can use an ancient and mostly unsupported package that does... stuff? who sets such rules?

no rules, just an experiment

so a minipage would automatically do this thing?

@kauray yes, the normal form (needs no package) is \begin{figure}\begin{minipage}{.5\textwidth} figure and \caption \end{minipage}\begin{minipage}{.5\textwidth} table and \caption \end{minipage}\end{figure}

ah thanks, i know how minipage works i've used it before

didnt know it can auto align stuff too

@DavidCarlisle floatrow is unsporrted?

@kauray well let's say the support is "light" it's not changed for a long time (if you speak Russian you may find support is easier)

lol

@DavidCarlisle with minipage i get an error like caption lost

@kauray then you must have some package redefining caption, the standard definition would not do that

cool, will check it out, thanks!

@DavidCarlisle help ;-(. There is already a guard around \refstepcounter. Is there somewhere an example what you do in this case??

@DavidCarlisle I found \xe@alloc@intercharclass which has two changes too ... trying to figure out how this is nested.

@barbarabeeton @AlanMunn twitter.com/heinz_ca/status/1257772932497133569

@DavidCarlisle -- any further thoughts about the CTAN catalog entry for amsmath?

@PauloCereda Weird rules: residents of Canada excluding Québec. There must be some strange Québec law that prevents it.

@PauloCereda Hola Don Pato :)

@AlanMunn :)

@PabloGonzálezL Hola Señor Pablo. :)

@AlanMunn wait, so I cannot win this awesome puzzle?!

@PauloCereda No sorry. Your geography is too bad. :)

@PauloCereda Pregunta arara -l arara.tex ... Where's my log?

@UlrikeFischer don't nest them, just move the current block to the commented out form and add a new current block at the top.

@PabloGonzálezL Same directory, arara.log.

@barbarabeeton no will look later:-)

@PauloCereda Nope, it's rewritten :)

@PauloCereda And now it contains the log of the .tex file

@PabloGonzálezL Hey you have a file with the same name. :) I think you need to either change your TeX file name or add an entry to your local configuration file.

@DavidCarlisle yes I figure that out after I looked at the allocation example. I just pushed the change, but forgot to update "often" testfiles (and made a pull request against master, but this is corrected now.)

!config
logname: duck

@PabloGonzálezL ^^ create a file named arararc.yaml in the same directory of your TeX file and run arara again.

@PauloCereda Yes, I was doing a test... I thought that 'arara.log' would be renamed if the input file was called arara :(

@PabloGonzálezL We never thought of this case. :)

@Diaa -- I don't recommend trying to redefine the equation-formatting mechanism. I can think of two possible ways to shift the equation number to the left: (a) put the tag into a box that is .2\textwidth wide and \llap the tag; but that would really foul up any cross-references; (2) put these displays in an unindented minipage.

@PauloCereda I was writing a log for a script and I started to check arara ... I think I should give a warning or rename the arara-log.log

@UlrikeFischer OK thanks, can't really look now so glad you sorted it out:-)

@PabloGonzálezL The problem is that the tool will only find out about the file after the execution...

@DavidCarlisle Frank says it is okay, but I messed up the changes.txt, not sure how.

@PauloCereda -- I was given the circular jigsaw puzzle "red riding hood's hood" for Christmas one year. With one small adjustment: all edge pieces had been removed. (Gordon and I are still married.)

@barbarabeeton ooh :)

@barbarabeeton each time you iterate that transformation the puzzle becomes easier

@PauloCereda Oh, I see, I thought it was generated after reading ARGV[0]

@PabloGonzálezL it is, but arara does not assume it will be a TeX compilation. :)

@PauloCereda OK, but not only TeX produces ARGV[0].log :)

@PabloGonzálezL :)

@PabloGonzálezL I will make a note to our development branch. :)

@PauloCereda @PabloGonzálezL reminds me of the people who try writing their first test pstricks document as pstricks.tex

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle I was one of those :(

@PabloGonzálezL David is mean :)

@PabloGonzálezL you seem to have a bad habit here....

@DavidCarlisle I had it... now it's just a bad memory :)

@PauloCereda El único

@PabloGonzálezL but doing the same with arara Perhaps you should write an arara rule that if the document name is arara.tex it renames it to pstricks.tex to avoid over-writing the arara log

@PabloGonzálezL :)

@DavidCarlisle It's an idea I can invest in for a while :)

@DavidCarlisle the morewrites package appends the extension if the existing output file is not empty. I once got in some misbehaving document file.mw.mw.mw ... with twenty extensions ;-)

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@UlrikeFischer :)

@UlrikeFischer wouldn't have been allowed in the old days, filenames should only have one extension (and at most three letters at that) I'm sure no one ever asked me to extend graphics to support multiple dots

@DavidCarlisle when in the old days has .tar.gz been introduced?

my pull request has passed the travis test with only two corrections ;-)

@UlrikeFischer impossible virtual extension that's why they introduced .tgz

@DavidCarlisle I didn't know that.

@PabloGonzálezL MSDOS and ISO ... format CDs only allowed filenames of the form 8.3 which accounts for much of the design of the tex world filenames:-)

@DavidCarlisle Oh..now I remember the names of the photos from my first digital camera with only 8 characters :)

@DavidCarlisle -- SAIL was even more restrictive: 6+3. The increase to 8 made it much easier to name files at least somewhat sensibly. (Spaces in file names was not an improvement.)

@UlrikeFischer We will no longer have to patch the fontloader for the next version: The latest ConTeXt code has the fix.

@MarcelKrüger ooh a patch

@DavidCarlisle bbc.co.uk/archive/empty_sets_collection/zfvy382

@MarcelKrüger good, if I had knew that it would happen so fast, I could have waited ;-). But it is a bit faster if one doesn't have to check lualibs too.

@JosephWright @UlrikeFischer ^

@DavidCarlisle wow. Which version?

@UlrikeFischer same as before (no usable luaotfload) but I have added parsing of magic comments so you can specify pdflatex xelatex or lualatex by adding a !TEX comment

@DavidCarlisle ooh island?

@PauloCereda nope

@DavidCarlisle oh

Andrey at latxonline said he'd try to pull back the islandoftex diffs but he said pulling the images was slow and he was having some issues, hopefully he can sort it out with Ben

@DavidCarlisle ah cool

@JosephWright @UlrikeFischer actually I use a simplified comment syntax : any line that matches const engineregex = /% *!TEX.*((pdf|xe|lua)latex)/i; sets the engine to $1

@DavidCarlisle that's good, I never can remember these syntax and so my chance to hit is higher.

@UlrikeFischer yes I didn't want to have to handle comment parsing errors or allow you to specify an unsupported engine at the backend so basically anything that starts ! TEX no ducks here xelatex will work and set it to xelatex, but !TEX program=platex is ignored.

@DavidCarlisle oh no ducks here

@PauloCereda I need @barbarabeeton to add a comma. Is that "oh no, ducks here" or "oh, no ducks here"

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@PauloCereda Could you go a week without posting oh or ooh ?

@DavidCarlisle ooh a challenge

@DavidCarlisle let's try

@DavidCarlisle -- She is trying very hard to figure out a plausible reason for a comma after "ducks". (But has not yet succeeded.)

@DavidCarlisle a week is hard. better start with a bit easier challenge, say 10 minutes.

@UlrikeFischer yes please

@PauloCereda seems to have been too easy. What about an hour?

@UlrikeFischer oh no

oopsie

@AlanMunn ooh

@PauloCereda the week abstinence would never have worked

@DavidCarlisle :)

@barbarabeeton @yo' ^^ a baking miscalculation :)

@AlanMunn -- That last looks like a particularly familiar jigsaw puzzle.

@PauloCereda -- oops! Did they at least taste good?

@PauloCereda oops

@barbarabeeton oh I just saw on the internet. :)

@barbarabeeton probably not as good as my roast dinner last sunday

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Is it possible to add normal references to the moderncv template? I don't mean a section of publications. If I use \cite{} it adds them to pubblications, but I don't want to use cite for publications but for normal references!

@nbro What do you mean by a "normal reference"?

by normal reference I mean something that is not my publication and doesn't appear under "publications" as if those were my publications

Like in any other article

you use references to support your claims

you know what I mean?

@nbro Oh, I see. So kind of like "In my dissertation I propose following Smith 2010 that ..." which could plausibly appear in your CV I guess. Do you want that item to show up somewhere though as a bibliography?

I just want a section references as usual

For example

I want to say that I've done research on this topic, and, when I say that, I add a reference to a paper I read, or something like that

@nbro Looking quickly at the class code, it seems that you can use multibib to have different bib sections in your document. Much easier to do with biblatex, but I don't think moderncv is compatible with it out of the box.

@nbro But multibib works well from what I remember (I haven't used it in many years.)

@DavidCarlisle -- This answer to a question about a misplaced qed box says that amsmath must be loaded before amsthm. That's documented in amsthdoc but not in amsldoc. Could you add a note about it to the pending list, please?

@barbarabeeton yes I noticed that does it have to be documented, or can we just fix the code?

@DavidCarlisle -- How would one fix the code in amsmath? It would be more logical to change it in amsthm, but that's not going to happen in my lifetime. There's a good place to add a sentence in amsldoc, so I really think that's the easiest/quickest way. Doesn't have to be done immediately, by itself; would it disrupt things too much to add the sentence now, and not release it to CTAN until there's a code update?

@barbarabeeton I've not looked yet but fixing amsthm would seem best (the ams need to maintain it or lose it)

@DavidCarlisle -- I've tried to explain to them that failing to keep their packages up to date is a big black eye, but to no effect. Maybe some prominent mathematicians can exert pressure on the AMS trustees, but I took the argument personally to the AMS president soon after I retired; she listened politely, but nothing happened. So I have no influence in the matter. And I suspect that changing the amsthm code is not trivial.

@barbarabeeton well in this case it looks easy, it probably only needs instead of \@ifpackageloaded{amsmath} to do \AtBeginDocument{\@ifpackageloaded{amsmath}...

@UlrikeFischer -- Thanks for the analysis. I'll pass it on to my contact on the AMS TeX support team. But, as I said, nothing is likely to happen soon, even if the suggestion is accepted. There are other things that management believes are more important.

@UlrikeFischer lesson 14 ^

@DavidCarlisle didn't just someone complain on the main site, that the pi in lua is not accurate enough? ;-)

@UlrikeFischer I'll wait for 20 more bugs in luaotfload you should have converged to an accurate value of pi by then (difficult to demonstrate luatex too much without access to luaotflload:-)

Currently playing thesis office tennis. Reverting changes made at their request because they are now requiring the thing they previously complained about.

@DavidCarlisle yes, not so easy, no nice coloring of bangla possible. But perhaps a bit calculation like pi/2 ?

@AlanMunn load bidi and confuse them with a right to left passing shot and claim victory

@DavidCarlisle lol

@DavidCarlisle Clearly this value was not used to generate the circles in the image.

@AlanMunn no, the Lua value wasn't accurate enough, so I had to take manual control.

@DavidCarlisle the comment line works - with %!TEX xelatex I get an error ;-)

@UlrikeFischer so you learned your lesson, you need luatex to do lua:-)

@DavidCarlisle why do the braces work in tex.print{math.pi}?

@UlrikeFischer the rule is: if there is a comment specifying (lua|xe|pdf)latex, use that, otherwise if the string fontspec appears anywhere use xelatex, otherwise use pdflatex

@UlrikeFischer oops I'll switch to round, but you can pass a table to print

@UlrikeFischer they are gone

@DavidCarlisle it is interesting to switch the engine simply by typing "fontspec" somewhere ;-)

@UlrikeFischer yes I could get rid of that now we have the engine comment, I needed it for the original xetex example

movement on luatex everywhere ;-)