@DavidCarlisle I pushed in a branch a new version for zref-pagelayout. But I think abspos has to wait - there is no documentation ;-(. So I need to figure out the code.

you said it was too late tonight:-)

@DavidCarlisle it is ;-). I should go to bed. I will dream of the question how to extend this switches in zref-abspos with the luatex test for \pagewidth ;-)

 \ltx@ifundefined{pdfpageheight}{%
    \ltx@ifundefined{mediaheight}{%
      \ltx@ifundefined{stockheight}{%

@UlrikeFischer skip the whole lot in luatex and act as if pdfpageheight is defined?

@DavidCarlisle sounds like a plan.

@DavidCarlisle Yes, the SourceForge project is now read-only.

@yo' oopsie

Coronavirus with pineapple

Now we are doomed

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle That's the explanation why it hits Italy, it's pineapple revenge!

quack

@PauloCereda dinner

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle Henri Menke just sent a bug report to the tex4ht list that compilation of the pgfmanual is broken ...

@UlrikeFischer Frank's magic powers

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@cis no, just the date

@cis although that is almost never used with \usepackage as it doesn't make a lot of sense in a document. If a package requires a particular version of another package then it makes sense for the package to use \RequirePackag{iftex}[2019/01/01] so that a document using the main package gets a warning if it has an old iftex but in a document that is just for you and you are not distributing as source, the date check isn't useful

@DavidCarlisle Ok, thx.

@cis no re-installing will get you back to where you are. texlive is frozen until april 10th while they prepare texlive 2020

@cis tlmgr update should give you version 0.18 from 2020/02/23

@cis you should more or less never have to get the zip file from ctan and install by hand (and it's usually a bad idea to do that as your package manager then doesn't know which version you have and if you have installed it in a private tree your local copy will hide any future updates)

@cis sure, if tlmgr does tell you that you should first do a self update, it is sensible to obey.

@UlrikeFischer I realise I have no idea what most of zref is doing:-)

@DavidCarlisle tell me that. I needed it recently and I was quite confused...

@yo' yes but you're not the one notionally maintaining it so you are allowed to be confused:-)

@DavidCarlisle don't worry, we all need features :-)

@yo' @UlrikeFischer is adding some for you

@DavidCarlisle good to know :-)

@DavidCarlisle I think I found an old bug in zref-pageattr, it defines \zref@pageattr instead of \zref@pdfpageattr in one place ...

@UlrikeFischer not my fault:-)

@DavidCarlisle it is a bit of a pain. There is a \ltx@IfUndefined{pdfpageattr} with a long false branch and basically I simply need to enable it for luatex. Any idea how one could change the test so that is says "\ltx@IfUndefined{pdfpageattr} or ifluatex"?

Ahhh.... tlmgr install pdftexcmds

@UlrikeFischer you could do something similar to the horigin tests we were discussing above, set a tmp variable to 0 then set it to 1 if pdfpageattr undefined or if luatex is treu then test for tmp being 0 or 1 later.... or rewrite the package in expl3 and use an inline boolean "or"

@DavidCarlisle yes, just got the same idea and adding it. (I would love to use expl3 instead, but probably I would break lots of spaces in the process ...;-))

But

c:\texlive>tlmgr install nxeedspace
TeX Live 2019 is frozen forever and will no
longer be updated.  This happens in preparation for a new release.

If you're interested in helping to pretest the new release (when
pretests are available), please read tug.org/texlive/pretest.html.
Otherwise, just wait, and the new release will be ready in due time.
tlmgr.pl: package repository ctan.kako-dev.de/systems/texlive/tlnet (not
 verified: gpg unavailable)
tlmgr.pl install: package nxeedspace not present in repository.

Isn't it needspace.sty without x?

First three nCoV-2 cases in my country. Awaiting madness coming :-(

@HenriMenke A pity that pgfplots 1.17 missed the TL2020 freeze for just hours, with the important circles fix... but overall it is great news. Thanks for pursuing it.

@DavidCarlisle while looking at the logs I found this in pdftexcmds:

\ifluatex
\ifx\pdfdraftmode\@undefined
  \let\pdfdraftmode\draftmode
\fi
\else

@UlrikeFischer yep I did that in some cases as I had to fix a lot of packages in a short amount of time when I first picked these up, should go back and change them to not do that really. the iterations has been (add requirepackage luatex85, just to keep it working, replace luatex85 by \let of specific commands, finally fix up the packge to use new names properly

What could I do here?

textcomp.sty
75
Undefined control sequence.
\ds@full ->\DeclareEncodingSubset
                                  {TS1}{?}{0}
l.75 \ProcessOptions\relax
textcomp.sty

LaTeX Warning: You have requested release `2020/02/02' of LaTeX, but only release `2019-10-01' is available.

@cis run fmtutil-sys --all to rebuild the formats (that should have happened automatically) but perhaps you have local configuration hiding the sources you just updated.

@UlrikeFischer :

askinclude/askinclude.dtx:    \protected\def\pdflastobj {\numexpr\pdffeedback lastobj\relax}
askinclude/askinclude.dtx:    \protected\def\pdfnames   {\pdfextension names }
askinclude/askinclude.dtx:    \protected\def\pdfobj     {\pdfextension obj }
askinclude/askinclude.dtx:    \let\pdfoutput            \outputmode
bookmark/bookmark.dtx:      \protected\def\pdfoutline{\pdfextension outline }
embedfile/embedfile.dtx:    \protected\def\pdflastobj {\numexpr\pdffeedback lastobj\relax}
embedfile/embedfile.dtx:    \protected\def\pdfnames   {\pdfextension names }

@DavidCarlisle Oha, this works. Thx.

@cis odd that your formats didn't get built on the initial update

@UlrikeFischer I just pushed a change to zref to get rid of \pdfsavepos in luatex

@DavidCarlisle our style differs ;-) I use \ifluatex and you use \ifx\directlua\@undefined.

@UlrikeFischer well it's only one step removed since I know how \ifluatex is defined:-) But if iftex is loaded it should be \ifluatex but I don't see any need to load the package just for that

@UlrikeFischer I'm still a bit suspicious about those \ifpdf in abspos but tempted to say leave them for now, they have been there a long time (but probably change \RequirePackage{ifpdf} to \RequirePackage{iftex}[2019/11/07] wherever it appears.

@cis I have used tex for over 30 years and have never had to uninstall and re-install the same version. If you find yourself doing that then something is wrong with your setup.

@DavidCarlisle if was already there (zref-base->pdftexcmds), but I agree that your log will be shorter.

@DavidCarlisle I doubt that the module is much used - it wasn't documented so you really had to check the code to realize that it was there.

@UlrikeFischer yes but I don't like to trust implicit dependencies especially as I've been trying to remove unnecessary packages:-)

@UlrikeFischer some of us are more likely to find things in the code than the documentation anyway:-)

@DavidCarlisle if you want you can change all \ifluatex ;-)

@UlrikeFischer I guess we should remove that \pdfoutline from bookmark at least

@DavidCarlisle should be not difficult, it is used only once.

@UlrikeFischer yes that's what the search said. I'm in no rush to update the oberdiek bundle though so the ones in there can wait until an update is needed.

@UlrikeFischer shall I change the requirepackage{ifpdf}

@DavidCarlisle but we should probably put your list somewhere so that we don't forget it.

@UlrikeFischer there is an issue in oberdiek I think let me look...

@DavidCarlisle is there a \requirepackage{ifpdf} somewhere?

oh I closed it github.com/ho-tex/oberdiek/issues/76

@DavidCarlisle just found. Imho it can be removed. iftex is loaded by zref-base. or we can load it explicitly there.

@UlrikeFischer sounds good (there are two) :

$ grep  -n '{ifpdf}' zref.dtx
5318:\RequirePackage{ifpdf}
5486:\RequirePackage{ifpdf}[2010/09/13]

@UlrikeFischer sorry ignore my first reply mixed up the iftex package with luatex85 names issues.

@DavidCarlisle Yes, but did you work with Windump?

@cis if you mean windows then I've had a windows machine for the last 15 years or so (but I don't use the windows texlive, I use cygwin)