ooh saturday

@PauloCereda quack

@CarLaTeX ooh quack indeed

It's quiet...

QUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK

@PauloCereda -- Hi. It's Fibonacci Day -- 11/23

@barbarabeeton yay!

@barbarabeeton at least it is if you write dates in a weird order.

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Just got a reply from Rainer. Now I have a fancy new @latex-project.org email address :-)

@DavidCarlisle -- Consider the ISO format: 2019-11-23 (and ignore the year).

@barbarabeeton no:-)

@PhelypeOleinik did you get three?

@DavidCarlisle Two. phelype.oleinik and phelype

@PhelypeOleinik I got three (I may have had three before I can't remember) but I changed my mail provider to gmail, so apparently I have first, last and first.last forms:-)

@DavidCarlisle Many options :-)

@DavidCarlisle I'm trying to configure it in my gmail inbox and it asks for a password... Should I know that or Rainer forgot to tell me?

@PhelypeOleinik I never used a password as far as I know you shouldn't have to contact or lpg in to the project mail server at all, it is set up as a forwarding address with no mail storage there it should just arrive in your usual mailbox so unless you want to send mail from that address you shouldn't have to do anything

@PhelypeOleinik you should have mail:-)

@DavidCarlisle Hm... Yes, I can receive mail (just received yours :-). I was trying to configure it so I can send from that address too, like "on behalf of the team" things

@PhelypeOleinik I just tried that, In the old days you could get any mailer to put any "From" address in any email so it was not a problem, but gmail does seem to want you to use a project smtp server now, hmmm,

@DavidCarlisle Not worth the effort, then?

@PhelypeOleinik ask on team list, I guess we are all the same. Whatever happened to the old days when you could telnet to port 25 of more or less any machine and send emails from santa @north.pole?

@DavidCarlisle I'll make me the north pole mail :-) (and ask on the list)

@PhelypeOleinik I wonder if anywhere lets you do this still ip-wizards.ch/tips/telnet-smtp.html

quack

I do need to start thinking about Sunday lunch for tomorrow...

oh Michel Goossens is on site:-)

@DavidCarlisle -- Now that may be an occasion for pineapple non-pizza.

@DavidCarlisle Is it that bad that I don't know what half those things are? (but I get the idea of what it should do, I think)

With "half" I mean the larger half :P

@PhelypeOleinik mail servers used to do absolutely no checks at all on mail so if you connected to the server's incoming port and told it that you were a mail client sending messages from the north pole it would send messages with that as the from address with no checks at all. As students you could (but of course we never did as it was explicitly against the rules) send mail to any student as if from any other student with essentially no trace that you initiated it....

@DavidCarlisle Oh, so it was basically an electronic mail (brilliant conclusion), where you could just sign the letter with any name you like. Seems like fun :-)

@PhelypeOleinik yes smtp to port 25 is still the standard mail transport but most servers do boring stuff like hide it behind as ssl security layer these days, so untrusting. the smtp mail protocol is really weird it is not some optimised binary on the wire format it is like a conversation you send it helo then mail then quit and it sends the mail replying ok to you at each stage of the process.

@DavidCarlisle No G-Suite?! :)

@DavidCarlisle Well, telnet gmail.com 25 doesn't work (I didn't expect it to), so I guess I can't play with that anymore :(

@DavidCarlisle bah IMAP :)

@PauloCereda so modern

@barbarabeeton 23112019, something seems to be wrong...

@JosephWright is there a more idiomatic l3build way to get a (docstripped) ` .bib` file in to place that use the init hook? github.com/ho-tex/pdftexcmds/commit/…

@JosephWright and while on l3build if there are no pdf or other binary files seems I get zip error: Nothing to do! (pdfcolmk-ctan.zip)

@UlrikeFischer attachfile2, pdftexcmds, pdfcolmk, epstopdf all now build with l3build ctan and l3build check should pass in oberdiek (I moved the askinclude ones that were not repeatable to the testfiles-failed for now)

@PabloGonzálezL hi ^^^ I plan to push the oberdiek collection to ctan tomorrow, so this evening a better time than tomorrow evening if you are about to post any major issues:-)

quick question: is the \textheight at the middle of the screenshot misaligned?

Also on page 426, the horizontal line below ``penalty'' (the one that means to mimic \toprule) has an extra dash.

@Symbol1 well it's just wrapped from the previous line. That's an oldcoments section so you are lucky to get output at all:-)

@DavidCarlisle you were busy ;-)

@Symbol1 the dashes were added by Leslie half a decade before anyone had the idea of typesetting the source, the oldcomments environment was just a "best effort" attempt to typeset the existing sources as we gradually updated for 2e...

@Symbol1 the indent isn't done with parshape it is basically \obeylines and \obeyspaces so the indent just matches the indent in the source, but if a line is too long and wraps then it wraps...

Looking at the source, I now understand what you are saying.

@PhelypeOleinik I seem to have no problems, my mail provider(s) lets me set the latex-project.org address.

@Symbol1 I had fun writing that, we just took the ascii comments in the latex2.09 source and typeset them, adding properly marked up documentation as we updated the code and had time to document it that way, it was a "quick fix" that is still there 27 years later:-)

@Symbol1 it is reading the source character by character spotting \ and then finding the end of the command name to put it in to tt font "by hand" back then it was a massive document and took some hours to run.

Wait I thought something regexpr like ^.*(\\.*)\space should work?

@Symbol1 ?

@Symbol1 if any editing of the document is done we remove the oldcomments enviornment for that section and mark it all up properly.

I see

@Symbol1 more serious than the dubious typesetting is the fact that any comments in oldcomments date back to Leslie in the late 1980s and might not match the current code as closely as you might hope.

@DavidCarlisle typesetsuppfiles

@JosephWright I tried that but it didn't seem to work, isn't that expecting the bib to be in the source ? But I may have had an error elsewhere, I'll try again in a bit.

@DavidCarlisle in attachfile2 the "derived files" list is not complete, the luatex driver is missing.

@UlrikeFischer ah that's because we added it a while back, will add thanks.

@UlrikeFischer oh grr typical of the collection that list appears twice and only one of then is updated with luatex file:-)

@DavidCarlisle in the Msg list it is missing too.

@UlrikeFischer but since I supply a tds zip the only person who ever gets the message is me:-) (or at least while it was made with a bash script, with l3build I suppose you got the message as well...

@UlrikeFischer added to both thanks

@DavidCarlisle I was moving (to a local branch) some experimental stuff for a generic driver which I had in oberdiek and so looked at all the places ;-).

@UlrikeFischer hopefully it'll be easier to experiment with updating that now it's separated

@DavidCarlisle installing is much faster now ;-)

@UlrikeFischer yes the slow part of course is checking that I have not broken the remaining oberdiek by leaving a line in the unpack or manifest or whatever, but I think it's OK this time, I have run l3build check and mkctan and both get to the end without error

@JosephWright this fails on missing bib file for me:

-function docinit_hook ()
+function zzzzdocinit_hook ()
  return  cp("pdftexcmds.bib", "build/unpacked" ,"build/doc")
 end
+
+typesetsuppfiles ={"*.bib"}

@DavidCarlisle attachfile2 is mentioned in nearly every dtx under \subsection{Bundle installation}

@UlrikeFischer I know, but I didn't dare invoke the wrath of ctan by editing every dtx file (again) without changing version numbers, I removed it from the ones I have split out (if I use them at all)

@DavidCarlisle ;-). I get some test failures in oberdiek.

@UlrikeFischer I suppose I could mail and ask then again, but if we are going to split the beast anyway they'll get fixed in time

@UlrikeFischer oh you need to forcibly uninstall pdftexcmds and install the new one

@UlrikeFischer the old installer put the documentation for pdftexcmds under latex but the code under generic which l3build wouldn't do without extra config and it seems a bit pointless really, plain tex searches the latex tree anyway and context is never going to use a cross engine compatibility package.

@DavidCarlisle ah, looks better the first that failed previously works now.

@UlrikeFischer you might guess how I knew that would be the required fix for the unspecified failure:-)

@DavidCarlisle you changed the tests files after changing pdftexcmd ?

@UlrikeFischer mostly just changed the tlg but a couple where the test was explicitly checking the (broken) byte output from luatex I just wrapped the test in \iffalse \fi and amazingly it no longer failed.

@DavidCarlisle sounds a bit like cheating ;-) but it looks good now. What is pdfmkcol now? A real dummy?

@UlrikeFischer I have waited 30 years to write a package with fewer tokens than indentfirst

@DavidCarlisle did you write Uwe about it? (the changes packages has removed it).

If xcolor remove it too, it could even get to the 0 token state ;-)

@UlrikeFischer I need to to the color robust changes then mail him about xcolor so I'll mention it then.

@DavidCarlisle sounds good.

@DavidCarlisle I got a failure in mleftright-test1 with luatex: the identation is different:

***** .\BUILD\TEST\mleftright-test1.luatex.tlg
    4:  LaTeX Warning: You have requested package `',
    5:  but the package provides `mleftright'.
    6:  Package: mleftright ....-..-.. v... Math left/right delim. as open/close (HO)
***** .\BUILD\TEST\MLEFTRIGHT-TEST1.LUATEX.LOG
    4:  LaTeX Warning: You have requested package `',
    5:                 but the package provides `mleftright'.
    6:  Package: mleftright ....-..-.. v... Math left/right delim. as open/close (HO)
*****

and I managed to stop the tests after this ;-(. I think I will go to bed and try again tomorrow.

@UlrikeFischer thanks I'll look, goodnight, you have three minutes to get to bed today I guess

@UlrikeFischer (for tomorrow)

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