@AlanMunn No, not on Catalina yet. I am too dependent on macports and osxfuse to upgrade before those are solid. Also, there are reports that too much is broken on Catalina. Maybe it's prudent to wait for the .1 release, or even the .2. I am undecided on that question so far.

@MarcelKrüger I've update the minimum version: TL'16 has v0.95 ...

@JosephWright Me too: portability FTW! But I can connect it to a 27 inch monitor at work. Then I have the best of both worlds.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen That would help ...

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Here, my work do provide a desktop, whereas I'd have to pay for a screen ...

Chickens are good at math. :)

@JosephWright if I read out loud, it can sound you'd pay for ice cream. :)

@PauloCereda I scream, you scream, we all scream for a screen!

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh monitors

@PauloCereda getting closer

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh I forgot about it

Hello all I'm getting a weird result

I suspect the problem is known:

@JosephWright that's what I got actually and I'm quite happy so far, just it's not a Mac :)

So the spacing is really weird, and this starts happening after I use subequations when the equation counter passes 100

Or roundabout 100, it appears to have the correct output for a few more equations then it starts the weird spacing

The above is a crop, there is plenty of page margin left

So this is quite certainly not a problem of equations being too long

@1010011010 As I don't know who's got the crystal ball presently, I think it would be helpful if you posted some code. You don't need to supply over 100 equations, just \setcounter{equation}{106} followed by code producing the output you showed. Including a proper preamble, of course.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I think marmot took it when he left

A first use of Twitter to ask a direct question: twitter.com/texdevnet/status/1182627772432297986

@JosephWright ooh

Any one know the length limit for the title meta tag in a PDF file? I have a user who came by who could not print a PDF file from a journal on his linux box. Turns out that the journal has put a very very long title into the title meta data field and somehow the printerdriver on linux for this printer is using that title and it ends up being too long and giving an error. Just wanted to know who to blame.

The journal for exceeding the limit on that meta data field, the producer of that printer driver filter or both.

Hi all, I've just found that image inclusion in tex4ht is broken. It seems to be an issue with a recent Graphics update :(

@michal.h21 @DavidCarlisle is likely to have a patch level sorted very soon

@JosephWright thanks, so I will wait with investigation :)

BTW: shouldn't TL on mac (MacTeX and basicTeX) automatically update the format when they new updates are loaded in. Seems several people are reporting that it does not (might be slow mirrors).

Interested in ancient history at Agrigento ...

@UlrikeFischer awwwww

@daleif Yes: this seems to be a wider issue

@JosephWright annoying. Anyone remember what the tlmgr update to rebuild the formats are? Might be relevant (and it is faster to use than to describe how to navigate through a GUI)

@daleif why tlmgr? I would use fmtutil-sys --all

@MarcelKrüger Good, then it is an error in the printer driver (I just tested it for my self using hyperref, not issues on a 3k+ char pdftitle)

@UlrikeFischer because I forgot about that one (and because it often runs as part of the update process and then perhaps there was an option for it, just easier for novices to go through tlmgr)

@daleif Even if it were limited 3k should be safe: The mentioned limit for string in content streams is about 32k, so I would expect even longer strings to be allowed elsewhere.

@daleif I don't think that there is an option, the docu references to fmtutil-sys.

@michal.h21 if you have a simple test file I could check....

@MarcelKrüger hehe, then there is a buffer overflow in the HP driver for Linux. Somewhere along the filter line the pdftitle is extracted and used as an option on the for the next step in the filter line and that ens up with a buffer overflow in a binary HP PS ddriver.

@daleif I'm wondering why the driver even cares about the field. I would have expected that a printer doesn't even read the info dictionary. But what kind of document even has a title of such length?

@MarcelKrüger I think it was chemestry. Apparently it wants to send the title on to the printer/printserver I think MS Office does this as well. But apparently they do not check the length of the data they are inserting into it. I wonder if we can use that for something, since the print process probably runs as root.

@UlrikeFischer apparently updating a basictex (the small mactex) did not trigger a format rebuild

@michal.h21 l.8 --- TeX4ht warning --- File `"example-image.xbb"' not found --- ? that's slightly different (I was expecting to see something like {example-image}.png with braces in the wrong place

@DavidCarlisle gist.github.com/michal-h21/3719e71e790273439415478882218762

@MarcelKrüger Interesting, cups does not even send the entire 3k title on, so the error seems to be triggered on much shorter ones.

the main issue is that the png is included as if it was a PS file, so dvipng is called.

@michal.h21 I can't trace now but I would guess that you are seeing "example-image.png" (with quotes added so spaces in filenames work) but are then seeing the extension as .png" which isn't recognised. I'm experimenting in this branch any comments welcome, I hope to push something out over the weekend

@michal.h21 thanks I'll test properly this evening

@DavidCarlisle I can see the filename in quotes, including the extension. But this is in the Dviasm output:

xxx: 'PSfile="example-image.png" llx=0 lly=0 urx=72 ury=72 rwi=720 '

yes so something earlier probably saw .png" didn't recognise it then fell back to the default eps filetype for unknown extensions so ended up with the psfile special. That's not supposed to happen....

@DavidCarlisle and I found a side effect of a robust \markboth ;-).

@DavidCarlisle

graphics.4ht is quite small, but there is some code that handles quotes

@michal.h21 the code in the format around quotes has changed, currently :

\def\set@curr@file#1{%
  \begingroup
    \escapechar\m@ne
    \xdef\@curr@file{\expandafter\string\csname #1\endcsname}%
  \endgroup
}
\def\quote@name#1{"\quote@@name#1\@gobble""}
\def\quote@@name#1"{#1\quote@@name}
\def\unquote@name#1{\quote@@name#1\@gobble"}

(but I may adjust that again for a PL 1 release)

@DavidCarlisle I don't know if it has any correspondece, but I added this line to \Gin@setfile: \typeout{gin set file: #1, #2, #3}

the result is: gin set file: eps, .png, example-image.png

@michal.h21 that's with the tex4ht configuration? I suppose that's what you would normally get with latex+dvips as png is an unknown extension (so it tries eps just in case)

@1010011010 Maybe can tex.stackexchange.com/a/35640/82917 help?

Is there a way to refer to the same footnote twice with two different (concurrent) numbers? If i use \footnotemark, the mark doesnt appear at the bottom

what i want is "¹² Some Text"

with a comma

Does anyone know how to find the supported ligatures of a font?

Are the ligatures shown in the LaTeX Font Catalogue exhaustive?

@JosephWright running l3build check in base

@Skillmon for tfm fomts use tfm2pl and look at the ligtable, for opentype open the font in fontforge and look at the list there

@DavidCarlisle thanks!

@sollniss you want the same note to be numbered both 1 and 2 ?

quack

@PauloCereda Abendessen

@DavidCarlisle oh nein

@PauloCereda /rabbit noise/

@Skillmon hi mr. rabbit! <3

@PauloCereda Hi, Mr. Duck!

@Skillmon wie geht's? :)

@PauloCereda good. I think I found a new favourite font today, though there are a few things that I don't like with it, the overall look is great, imho.

@Skillmon ooh that's awesome! Which font?

@Skillmon comic sans, same as @egreg?

@PauloCereda the Roman font of kpfonts, no idea why I never tried it, but I gave it a shot today and came to really like it

@DavidCarlisle close guess.

@DavidCarlisle mentioning @egreg, with that font I use the egregdoesnotlikesansseriftitles option of KOMA, because I don't really like its sans serif font.

@Skillmon cool!

@PauloCereda especially with the oldstyle option, unfortunately most Germans won't be able to read the veryoldstyle option fluently, though I really like the usage of the long s where appropriate.

@PauloCereda (German used to have rules for that)

Is there a way on stackexchange to "watch" a topic, that is, to be notified whenever it changes?

@dedded you automatically get notified for events on your own posts (questions or answers). I think you can star a question to get notified even if it's not your own question.

@Skillmon :)

@DavidCarlisle yes. dvips.def was always used as graphics driver with tex4ht

@Skillmon Thanks! Looks like the star is what I need.

Osaka Aquarium just stepped up their gift shop game with these fat seal plushies

@DavidCarlisle Cool: I'm doing team meeting actions

@dedded you can set tags to watch in your profile settings page

That could be useful too

@DavidCarlisle that won't be a topic (read thread) whenever it changes, but a topic (read tag) whenever there is activity with a question tagged with that one.

@Skillmon That's the way I took it

@Skillmon I suppose so

@DavidCarlisle just wanted to make sure there are no misunderstandings.

CTAN will love me: full L3 stack being updated ...

@JosephWright we all do

@JosephWright and 2e to come...

@DavidCarlisle That too, yes

@DavidCarlisle I'm doing the L3 ones step-by-step

@DavidCarlisle, @PauloCereda I see that l3packages has not been updated for 5 months ...

@JosephWright wow

@JosephWright of course they could just call you Robin, and enroll you on to the ctan team, so all you'd have to do is change hats and accept your own updates...

@DavidCarlisle At least the L3 ones are now done by deployment

@DavidCarlisle ooh I like this plan

@DavidCarlisle Well yes ....

@JosephWright there was a time you could just nfs mount ctan and copy files on to it:-)

@JosephWright speaking of modern overheads to updates, I guess I should have a branch to add ,"amsmath-2018-12-01.sty" to amsmath/build.lua ?

@Skillmon Best option ever

@DavidCarlisle Yeah

@JosephWright and I suppose ctan will want me to bump a version number? Or do they allow a resubmission with fixed packaging?

@DavidCarlisle They get a bit techy ...

@DavidCarlisle I think they want a version number... I tried before..

@PauloCereda Angry birds v0.2?

@yo' LOL

@PauloCereda how do you do?

@yo' in a hurry, but fine! And you, pal? :)

@PauloCereda busy (as always more than usual), but fine. Getting on board of Overleaf quite well I think :-)

@yo' yay :)

@JosephWright hmpf shouldn't sourcefiles = {"*.dtx", "*.ins", "amstex.sty","amsmath-2018-12-01.sty"} be enough (it seems to work for amstex.sty

@DavidCarlisle Yes: not working?

@JosephWright nope it all built but unzip -l seems to say it isn't there, let me ... oh I see:-)

@PauloCereda actually, yesterday I went to bed about at 9.15pm, which is very early for me. Today it's 9.40 and I'll be heading there soon I think. Also, I cycled to work and back today, and that was me on the bike after 4 months and only 4th time this season

@yo' ooh :)

@JosephWright I now recall you put some trick code into l3build to detect the git branch, I had an old latex-amsmath-ctan.zip which didn't get updated as it made latex-amsmath-dev.zip (as I'm still on the branch I just made for currfile:-)

but I plan to do this often: it's 15km round (7.5 each way) and it's only about 130m total gain/loss, which is doable. And moreover, it's downwards to my office, which is always prefered.

9.15pm sounds like it could be lunch time for @PauloCereda. <3

@DavidCarlisle Yes ...

@mickep well when I have 9.15pm, Paulo has 4.15pm, so could be :-)

@mickep <3

@yo' Yes <3

@JosephWright I assume we won't do a PL1 on dev and just update dev with the next real test release when ready?

@yo' Oh, good point!

(btw, one of the nitpicks of remote working: I had to set up my Google Calendar to show 5 different time zones)

@yo' mum and dad send their warmest regards, they miss you!

@DavidCarlisle Yes: it's a hotfix, doesn't go to dev

@PauloCereda oh, please reply in the same manner, I really keep my Brazil visit and the hospitality of all of you in my memories!

@DavidCarlisle I'd go for hotfix -> merge to master and dev

@yo' <3 <3

let me get off this branch and branch off master again...

@DavidCarlisle That's how it works with the two-branch business, really

@DavidCarlisle I'm getting 2020 sorted ...

@JosephWright hm

@JosephWright yes not an issue really, I was just confused by the zip file until i saw its date:-)

@PauloCereda the plan is, it comes after 2019

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle shhh :)

@DavidCarlisle no way LaTeX team planning 2020 after 2019, when they couldn't plan L3 after L2e? :)

@yo' -- Uphill to home is okay because there's more incentive to get there? Or downhill to work because you have a tendency to be late?

@barbarabeeton it's because of the amount of sweat and smell. Not that it would matter that much as I'm alone in my office, but still... (and sorry, I found no way how to reply less straightforwardly...)

@yo' math is difficult :)

@yo' that's the trouble adding infinitesimal epsilons, it takes a long time to get from 2 to 3

@DavidCarlisle ooh the Zeno guy paradox

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@yo' -- One of the AMS acquisition editors used to bike to work; a bit farther than your trip, I think. After much persuasion, AMS put in a shower room. And then the editor moved to Ann Arbor to become Executive Editor of Math Reviews, where he doesn't bike to work. Last time I saw him he was looking distinctly well fed.

@barbarabeeton well, I start to look more and more "distinctly well fed", and yes, it's one of the reasons I wanna cycle to work regularly. I still have to see whether the building I office in has a shower; I doubt it though.

anyway, I'm off to get some sleep. G'night.

@yo' Night

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