TeX, LaTeX and Friends

3:23 AM

@barbarabeeton That's a good point. ;-)

Werner

3:55 AM

I learned a new word today: loquacious. Source: The Proper Standard in MWE Answers

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Geez.

@Werner I can see how this can prompt one to enter the chat. ;-)

Werner

So apparently there's a Dunning-Kruger effect we've all succumbed to and it's irreversible. The only people who aren't affect are newcomers. And then, as a side-effect, we have poor software engineering expertise.

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4:46 AM

@Werner Yes. It is great that finally our eyes got opened and some very wise entity is willing to share their wisdom with us. Even though we do not deserve it.

@samcarter Sometimes I wish there was a "Ja, mei" button for certain questions. Would you support such a feature request?

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Q: show intent to answer question

5:56 AM

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When I answer a question, I prefer to make the answer extensive - with a good MWE, a screenshot, some code comments, links to other questions, a solution that possibly goes a bit further than asked for. It takes some time to write an answer like this, and often it happens that somebody else posts...

feature-request

6:31 AM

It has been a hot day today! abc.net.au/news/2019-01-24/…

@Werner Scientific explanation of why the idiots think to be smart :)

JouleV

6:50 AM

@CarLaTeX I think he says that he posts the question to improve the community and to help other users, but he doesn't know that what he posted is not useful at all.

7:09 AM

@JouleV Mine was a comment to the link posted by @Werner, not to the peculiar case :)

7:52 AM

@marmot do you mean the braket macros provided by physics?

@Krishna I saw your comment on the meta-question before the question was moved and the comments removed. I'll look what diffcoeff provides and whether I feel something's missing. I already coded some differential macros for myself some time ago, so effort wouldn't be doubled, I could use those...

@marmot if you like the braket stuff from physics you're most welcome to provide an answer to my question :)

@samcarter ^^

8:09 AM

@PauloCereda I starred it, too!

@Skillmon me too!

@PauloCereda I think it is the greatest achievement since the addition of the picture mode!

@Skillmon quite possibly. :)

@Werner OH NO, EVEN DUCKS?!

Ulrike Fischer

8:29 AM

@WillRobertson are you there?

ooh Will

9:12 AM

ooh Naruto

Hi mr. @Blue!

9:53 AM

@UlrikeFischer not right now but hopefully later tonight. Really need to get a fontspec release out yes? Any last requests?

@PauloCereda believe it!

@Skillmon ooh

@WillRobertson an Easter Egg. :)

Lupino

12:00 PM

Hi all. i just got a qurestions unswered (and accepted) when i noticed that the question was too unprecise for my actual problem. Is it okay to edit the question accordingly or is it better to ask a new question

mickep

@Lupino I think the policy is to ask a new question (and link to the previous one, if necessary)

Lupino

kay thanks.

12:23 PM

36°C at 11pm !!

@barbarabeeton Thanks for checking about the TUG2019 image! (a lion is on my todo list -- I'm sure a tikzlion will make very good friends with tex and meta :)

@WillRobertson -6°C at 13:31.

@Skillmon hahahaha

In other news... It works! I have a written a script that almost completely automates the release process for fontspec :)

@WillRobertson congrats!

@Skillmon Well, its not a very complex script but it saves me a lot of headache

12:36 PM

@marmot A "Ja, mei" would be great! I would have pressed it repeatability in the last few days.... The difficult thing would be to write the tool tip for mouse hovering over the button. How would one explain the meaning with less than a few pages of text?

Freddy Krueger effect

We ducks are scared of such effects

John Cleese on Stupidity

►

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@samcarter, @marmot ^^ check the research part, is amazing. :)

> In order to know how good you are in something requires the exactly same skills as it does to be good at that thing in the first place, which it means, and this is terribly funny, that if you are absolutely no good at something at all then you lack exactly the skills that you need to know that you are absolutely no good at it.

@marmot @samcarter ^^

A research, a research!

@PauloCereda Yeah! A duck, a killer rabbit and an Englishman -- nice combination of stargazers :)

@samcarter ooh

12:57 PM

@PauloCereda This actually explains very good what's going on on meta...

@samcarter Glad to be of service, m'lady. :)

Anonymous

1:55 PM

@PauloCereda Hiya!

Anonymous

Sorry, I was a bit stuck up in something else. Did you want to say something?

@Blue oh no worries, just being friendly. :)

(")>/

Anonymous

Ha-ha :)

@Werner -- so even those of us for whom (la)tex is actually a profession think too highly of ourselves. (guess i'm expected to turn tugboat over to someone i don't know who claims to be a better software engineer -- a skill that i never claimed to possess.) maybe this person should be challenged to present a paper on the subject at the tug meeting, or a formal meeting of another tex group.

@samcarter -- interim report: there's agreement that a community promotion ad would be a good use of the drawing, but i'm still awaiting confirmation on the copyright status. anyhow, conditional yes, to be confirmed.

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson l3build fixbugs ?

Ulrike Fischer

2:09 PM

@WillRobertson no, I had no last request, I only wanted to know how fontspec calls the bold font (I got a issue from Karl about lucida too), but I found it by looking in the code.

@WillRobertson -- last weekend, when we were suffering through an ice storm in providence, we wondered if there was any way we could trade some of our cold for some of your warm. but this morning it started out at about 13c (55f) and winds of about 50kph (30+mph) with gusts approaching 100kph (60mpg) are expected by the end of the day. "no such thing as climate change." hah!

daleif

2:27 PM

I have a conundrum for fellow Emacs users: Is anyone using subversion (most of my project are single person, so I have no need for git) where subversion for that server is using passtype: gpg-agent? Can you then commit from within Emacs?

I simple cannot get this to work. No issues on the commandline, but emacs will not access it. Interestingly, if I commit something on the command line, and then a little later on commit from Emacs, then it works. But this times out at some point.

David Carlisle

I use emacs and svn, but must admit I mostly do svn stuff on commandline, and don't use gpg-agent

I am creating a new ad series.

So far...

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David Carlisle

@JosephWright do you think we need to flag the two comments above?

@DavidCarlisle oh no

/quacks in despair

@PauloCereda how about one like: Don't finish your thesis <image of a rubber duck here>?

2:37 PM

@Skillmon ooh I like it

@egreg any chance to get something in xpatch that changes every occurence of <pattern>?

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daleif

@DavidCarlisle I do as well, but for my general everyday TODO org file and other notes I start Emacs from a keyboard short cut and commit from there. Everything seems to to work as long as the passtype is passtype simple (plaintext), but that is not a good idea in general. Perhaps I should just as on the emacs subsite

@Skillmon No, that can be done with regexpatch.

@egreg didn't know that one. Thanks.

2:45 PM

@Skillmon xpatch is a wrapper around etoolbox functions.

@egreg I had to read the implementation to get how I could replace every match..

@Skillmon \xpatchcmd* See page 7.

@egreg now that you say it, I see it, but reading the implementation was faster :)

@samcarter This is impossible. Ja, mei. ;-)

@Skillmon There is a braket package does already a reasonable job. A better physics package may not redefine the macros from this package.

3:11 PM

@Skillmon What's wrong with the following?

\ExplSyntaxOn
\int_new:N \l_skilmon_saveat_int

\NewDocumentCommand\applyprefixtocmd{mm}
 {
  \int_set:Nn \l_skilmon_saveat_int { \char_value_catcode:n { `\@ } }
  \makeatletter
  \xpatchcmd*{#1}{##1}{#2##1}{}{}
  \char_set_catcode:nn { `\@ } { \l_skilmon_saveat_int }
 }
\NewDocumentCommand \applyprefixtocmdlist { m m }
  {
    \clist_map_inline:nn { #2 } { \applyprefixtocmd { ##1 } { #1 } }
  }
\ExplSyntaxOff

@egreg nothing, the #1 replacement using ##1 didn't work for me, that's why I used the \edef and \string#1 approach (with xpatch that is).

@Skillmon Fix it, please.

3:27 PM

@egreg yes, I'll do.

3:49 PM

@PauloCereda Yes. And if you have a student of this type, your life will be pain.

@marmot :)

@marmot -- although the ams subject matter isn't physics, the braket package has been used quite successfully on ams publications with no problems that i'm aware of.

@barbarabeeton Yes. That's why I would prefer a physics package that does not mess with that. (I am using braket but not physics, yet if there was an alternative to physics that does what the original package promises I would probably use it.)

4:07 PM

@barbarabeeton well bra-ket notationis not used by physicists, rather by wanna-be rigorous mathematicians

advance notice: an update to the amstex collection (two files of technical documentation by the original author not previously released) and a pdf file of the most recent reprint of "joy of tex" have just been uploaded to ctan. amstex is now officially unmaintained and unsupported, but the user documentation is finally publicly available. (now i can retire with a clear conscience.)

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@barbarabeeton shouldn't this have been properly cased? :)

@yo' ooh let's \MakeUppercase it. :)

@yo' -- i'm not retired yet. last day will be february 8. start looking for uc/lc then. (even so, i may forget ...)

@PauloCereda -- better, \uppercasenonmath.

@barbarabeeton ooh

4:22 PM

@barbarabeeton habits are habits...

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@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle ^^ sorry I couldn't resist

Stefan Kottwitz

4:45 PM

@PauloCereda So you gonna post an ad series again with same target each? Like 2016, when we had 5 ads all pointing to the chat room and every single one gaining visibility by popular faces, when every other TeX project just gets 1 ad?

@StefanKottwitz I am open to ideas, of course. :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda Quick idea: how about one ad per link?

@yo' Gonna post a brexit ad? ;-)

Stefan Kottwitz

5:04 PM

@PauloCereda Good stats by the way:

6:20 PM

ooh a lazy cat

6:52 PM

> More people should eat pasta for breakfast. The combination of carbs, fat, and (sometimes) protein welcomes one into the world in a most comforting way, and often there is cheese. It also tends to reheat well, which means you can make a big batch and eat from it throughout the week. There is no downside.

Hmm

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Some users (@DavidCarlisle) would insist that people should have more ducks for breakfast... ;-)

@PauloCereda no. the perfect breakfast are eggs, in any way

@ChristianHupfer oh no

@yo' ooh :)

@yo' no, only if one can't really distinguish the yellow from the white. Boiled eggs smell like old farts. Fried egg could be good, but there is no real guarantee. Only reliable way to get some egg is scrambled egg!

@PauloCereda why didn't you post those advertisements for the chat there: tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8048/…

@Skillmon I'm not sure where you get your information that boiled eggs smell badly; I love them, but the yolk has to still be liquidy.

Christian Hupfer

6:58 PM

@Skillmon Perhaps you should not wait for weeks until you eat an boiled egg -- give Schwefelwasserstoff no chance ;-)

@yo' I got that information from my nose. "When in doubt, trust your nose"

@Skillmon that's your opinion :)

@ChristianHupfer nope. Immediately after boiling them they smell (fresh eggs).

@Skillmon I will refine them and post. :)

I must say I like what people call American breakfast, scrambled eggs and bacon.

But no way we eat these here.

@yo' that's no opinion.

7:01 PM

@PauloCereda however, that's more the base part of English breakfast :-)

@PauloCereda agreed, scrambled eggs are great. I also like the British sausages and stuff!

@yo' German bread with good ham :)

@yo' oh so English it is. :)

@Skillmon well, maybe you buy bad eggs, I dunno :-/ since they don't smell badly according to my nose, let's agree that our noses/brains judge differently here.

@yo' we used to own some chickens and eat their eggs (so fresh eggs guaranteed). Those smelled as those do I can buy in the supermarket today (since we don't own chickens any more).

Full breakfast

A full breakfast is a breakfast meal that typically includes bacon, sausages, eggs and a beverage such as coffee or tea. It comes in different regional variants and is referred to by different names depending on the area. While it is colloquially known as a “fry up” in most areas of Britain and Ireland, it is usually referred to as a full English breakfast in England (often shortened to "full English"), and therefore, as a "full Irish", "full Scottish", "full Welsh", “full Cornish”, and the "Ulster fry" in the Republic of Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and Northern Ireland, respectively. It...

@Skillmon as I said, matter of taste, obviously :-)

7:05 PM

@PauloCereda Don't say it to Italians, they will laugh at you :)

What about soups for breakfast...

7:17 PM

@yo' -- our favorite ramen joint in providence serves up bowls topped with the most succulent soft-boiled eggs -- the yolk is apparently dosed with a bit of soy and mirin. but more for dinner than breakfast. (making me hungry.) learned from the chef that they're cut in half with string; a knife wouldn't really work.

@barbarabeeton I'd also call the English breakfast more a dinner, given it's size...

@yo' -- "breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, and dine like a pauper." not a bad recipe actually.

@barbarabeeton my cousin always says that :)

@barbarabeeton "Eat your breakfast alone, share your lunch with a friend and give your dinner to your enemy." -- Turkish proverb (I was told so at least)

@barbarabeeton Nowadays the reply is that the pauper may go for fast food, so this may not work. ;-)

7:34 PM

@marmot -- good observation! (of course, that's not much different from the "feast" that potus offered to a winning basketball team recently. i'm much more sympathetic to eleanor roosevelt's serving hot dogs to visiting dignitaries during wwii.)

@barbarabeeton Let's better not discuss what the POTUS does, it will be very disturbing. I guess that the main problem is that our cuisine was developed at times during which people had to do hard manual work, and it does no longer suit us that well. (Luckily in academia the cafeterias are often so bad that one does not really feel like eating this stuff. I have seen bad food even in an Italian cafeteria, can you believe it? ;-)

8:13 PM

@marmot I can believe it! Fortunately, the cafeteria of my workplace is good!

@CarLaTeX I believe that. At the ICTP in Trieste it is not.

@marmot Yes, it is not rare to find bad food in cafeterias, even in Italy!

@CarLaTeX Yes, in my experience it is less hard to find a bad cafeteria in Italy (I know one example) than a good one in England or the US (I am not aware of an example).

@yo', @egreg, @daleif -- did you receive my email regarding a proposal for the tug meeting?