TeX, LaTeX and Friends

12:00 AM

@AlanMunn ` \draw[->,red] plot[smooth,tension=2] coordinates {(TRACE.south) (A.center)
(SUBJ.south)};` does perhaps do what you describe but it doesn't look good.

@AlanMunn What precisely do you want to achieve?

\draw[->,red,] (TRACE.south)     to[out=260,in=-80] (A.center)
	to[out=100,in=-90]  (SUBJ);

This is how I would do it but probably I do not understand what you want to achieve.

CarLaTeX

4:47 AM

@PauloCereda Have you realized that 17 people starred this message: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/43970268#43970268?

marmot

5:20 AM

@CarLaTeX I just glanced ;-)

CarLaTeX

@marmot Now are 19!

marmot

@CarLaTeX When there are 42, we can open a bottle of wine ;-)

CarLaTeX

@marmot Why 42?

marmot

@CarLaTeX Read the hitchhiker's guide through the galaxy. ;-)

CarLaTeX

@marmot Ah the answer!

marmot

5:32 AM

@CarLaTeX Yes, and finally we have the question: How many people star @PauloCereda 's thesis.

CarLaTeX

@marmot LOL

marmot

@CarLaTeX By the way, I misread your message. I read "17 people have stared at this message" ;-) (Of course I starred it.)

CarLaTeX

@marmot Ah, that's why I didn't understand your first reply!

Harald Hanche-Olsen

Apr 9 at 14:40, by Paulo Cereda

@HaraldHanche-Olsen: you are not mean :)

CarLaTeX

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Nooooo, I don't have a "you are not mean" message!

Harald Hanche-Olsen

5:37 AM

@CarLaTeX Perhaps you really are mean?

CarLaTeX

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Maybe :)

marmot

6:08 AM

@CarLaTeX You are not mean.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

6:36 AM

@marmot I applaud your good intentions, but only @PauloCereda has the authority to issue such decrees.

CarLaTeX

@marmot <3 but unfortunately @HaraldHanche-Olsen is right :)

mickep

Look what I found:

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CarLaTeX

@mickep Wow, @DavidCarlisle congrats!

Joseph Wright

6:56 AM

@DavidCarlisle Upload of csquotes sent

egreg

@mickep Wow, very nice!

David Carlisle

7:27 AM

@egreg someone gave me a downvote a couple of days ago, I had to work hard to rep cap to cancel it:-)

@mickep :-) I need @ChristianHupfer or @barbarabeeton to confirm the comma placement though

Paulo Cereda

8:24 AM

@mickep ooh cool!

@DavidCarlisle congrats! :)

By the way, friends, thanks for the kind support. I could not have done it without you. <3

If you're happy and you know it…

Tweeted by MumblingNerd on April 12, 2018 at 11:29 AM

John Dorian

@egreg wait what... $\to$ { \renewcommand{\to}{a} \to } $\to$ I never thought this was possible o.O

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle side effect of the \@ifundefined change: github.com/axelsommerfeldt/caption/issues/7

Joseph Wright

8:44 AM

@UlrikeFischer We know :)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright And knowing is half the battle? :)

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright Ah. Just found the question from yesterday through google. It didn't show up in a site search.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer There will be a few changes in packages, I suspect, over the coming weeks: I've had to adjust csquotes for the UTF-8 business

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I sent him the diff:-)

Paulo Cereda

9:21 AM

Tweeted by futuristbot on April 12, 2018 at 7:15 AM

John Dorian

10:02 AM

How can I open the list of unicode-math symbols through texdoc?

Torbjørn T.

@JohnDorian texdoc -l unicode-math then pick the appropriate number

@JohnDorian Or texdoc unimath-symbols

John Dorian

@TorbjørnT. ah perfect, thank you :-)

Paulo Cereda

10:15 AM

It's been a while

Heidis Küken Das kleine Küken piept (offizielles Video)

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percusse

@jfbu Are you hanging out here?

Paulo Cereda

@percusse SIR

percusse

@PauloCereda Ducktor Cereda. How are you today sir?

Paulo Cereda

@percusse oh not yet sir, defence has yet to come. :) A bit relieved now. And you? :)

percusse

@PauloCereda A bit stressed about some project delivery but still good.

procrastinating on TeX

Paulo Cereda

10:24 AM

@percusse yay. :) How's the band?

percusse

@PauloCereda Mostly playing from sheet music because I can't rehearse with them often. So lots of sight reading.

IT IS TOUGH!

Paulo Cereda

@percusse oh that's a new experience!

percusse

The afrobeat songs are really difficult for me. They have a certain feel that I can't feel much

Paulo Cereda

@percusse: last year I got me a cajón and decided to write some sheets to help me. It was indeed complicated for me!

percusse

The Funk Ark - Katipo (The Spider)

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This one for example

Paulo Cereda

10:27 AM

@percusse You might need to get some dreadlocks. :)

@percusse ooh groovy

percusse

The groove is killing me got an inner ear click just for it.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse it's challenging! :)

@percusse ^^ those are from my brief cajón experiments. :)

percusse

@PauloCereda You have youtube you don't need experiments :P

Paulo Cereda

@percusse It was an excuse to use Lilypond for percussion. :D

percusse

@PauloCereda Figures :D

Paulo Cereda

10:33 AM

@percusse and when you think I am not nerd enough:

:D

percusse

@PauloCereda Nobody ever think that :)

Hahah superb

AlexG

@percusse which instrument do you play?

percusse

@AlexG Drums.

AlexG

@percusse : Oh, kind of Jazz band you play in?

percusse

@AlexG Yes. two bands one is prog metal-ish, the other one is afrobeat cover band.

Can't say if I'm doing justice to any of them :D

AlexG

10:40 AM

@percusse impressing. The most important thing is that you have fun.

percusse

@AlexG Yes it is fun indeed. I wish I could practice more.

AlexG

@percusse Metoo.

percusse

@AlexG What do you play

AlexG

@percusse Git in a bigband

percusse

@AlexG Aha nice. So you are the sight reading expert then :)

AlexG

10:43 AM

As an amateur, of course. Sight reading is my weakest point ;-), really.

percusse

@AlexG Haha, no interactive PDFs then?

John Dorian

@egreg

percusse

That's a Mr. Magoo pirate cosplay

AlexG

@percusse No, just real paper in a heavy file.

John Dorian

@egreg \documentclass{article}

\usepackage{amsthm}

\begin{document}
\qedsymbol
\renewcommand{\qedsymbol}{\rule{.77778em}{.77778em}} \qedsymbol
\end{document}

percusse

10:47 AM

@AlexG I've switched to a click track with my own sound instead of sight reading last week. I had enough of those binders. Now I'm recording a click track and talking on it two bars later chorus or mute now on the bridge and so on.

It is much more friendly

David Carlisle

@JohnDorian why that size exactly? would \rule{.8em}{.8em} be much too big?

John Dorian

@DavidCarlisle This was in response to the discussion under @egreg's answer here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/426303/…

AlexG

@percusse Ah, interesting method. I have to learn everything more or less by heart.

The NewTown Swing Orchestra - Can't Buy Me Love

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David Carlisle

@JohnDorian well it looks bigger because it is bigger

> 6.75003pt.
l.6 \showthe\ht0

?
> 0.0pt.
l.7 \showthe\dp0

?
> 7.77786pt.
<recently read> \relax

l.8 \showthe\dimexpr.77778em\relax

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{amsthm}

\begin{document}
\sbox0{\qedsymbol}
\showthe\ht0
\showthe\dp0
\showthe\dimexpr.77778em\relax
\qedsymbol
\renewcommand{\qedsymbol}{\rule{.77778em}{.77778em}} \qedsymbol
\end{document}

@JohnDorian use a square of 6.75pt

John Dorian

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that's what I thought. But egreg wouldn't believe me^^ (or I misunderstood him)

David Carlisle

10:58 AM

@JohnDorian but why not use a black square character from the font?

egreg

@JohnDorian Fixed

John Dorian

@egreg :-)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle The \openbox has sidebearings.

David Carlisle

@JohnDorian he's always copying my comments and claiming rep for it

John Dorian

@DavidCarlisle Oh, I don't want to be part of that kind of arguments^^

Harald Hanche-Olsen

11:02 AM

@DavidCarlisle @JohnDorian Or use 1ex for the height, instead of trying to express it as some magic multiple of 1em?

David Carlisle

@HaraldHanche-Olsen only if you know \openbox in the math font is same as 1ex in the text font

egreg

@JohnDorian Apparently the people at AMS don't like the size of the open square available in the AMS fonts and for the tombstone they wanted something smaller.

David Carlisle

@JohnDorian @egreg thinks he knows about TeX and about Pizza toppings, but I'm not so sure he's always right about these things

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@DavidCarlisle If the goal is to match that size … Oh, I guess in this case, that was the goal.

I have occassionally used a rule 1ex tall by .618ex wide for a QED symbol. (That's the golden ratio, approximately.) It doesn't look so heavy, and matches the text font reasonably well.

percusse

11:18 AM

@AlexG Very nice. Don't forget to put your earplugs on! That ride sings too much :)

Paulo Cereda

@percusse LOL

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I only know about spaces.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@egreg Ah, yes, those wide open Banach spaces …

egreg

@HaraldHanche-Olsen One of my fourth year exams was about pseudocompact spaces.

John Dorian

I only know about non-archimedian analytic spaces

Harald Hanche-Olsen

11:32 AM

have space suit, will travel

John Dorian

@egreg Do you like maths or TeX more?

egreg

@JohnDorian Both

Paulo Cereda

spacesareveryinterestingwhenhandlingl3codeoohacookie

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda ooh German

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh that explains it!

John Dorian

11:35 AM

@egreg Based on your SX profile you spend more time with TeX^^

AlexG

@percusse Indeed, I often sit closer to the ride than the drummer himself and I must say my hearing has degraded a bit during the last years.

egreg

@JohnDorian Today lectures: morning, Linear Algebra; afternoon, TeX. :-)

John Dorian

@egreg I would so like to attend your lectures on TeX :-)

David Carlisle

11:58 AM

@JohnDorian I've been to one @egreg's tex talks. It wasn't very enjoyable

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle You were looking for stray spaces on TeX-sx the whole time ;)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle You're not a credible witness on the matter. :-P

Joseph Wright

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A: \fontfamily{...}\selectfont does not work with XeLaTeX engine

The short names are required for 8 letter file systems last century. Using xelatex you can refer to your system fonts via their font names, so for example \documentclass{article} \usepackage{fontspec} \setmainfont{Bitstream Vera Sans} \begin{document} \begin{enumerate} \item Hello World \end{...

@DavidCarlisle I see you are so modern ^^^

@egreg I'm looking forward to seeing the follow-up :)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright of course

oh that is a different muthesis to the one in texlive (look at line 25:-):-) — David Carlisle 42 secs ago

@Skillmon that was one of the first ever latex2e class files:)

%%    Further modified by David Carlisle (DPC) September 1994.
%%      Add [PhD] option (default) and [MSc] option.
%%      Make into LaTeX2e Class file.

barbara beeton

12:23 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- yes, there is a comma in the middle. (but none of your badge counts are palindromes. what is this?)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton yes I thought I might hit 1770 for bronze but no

Skillmon

12:38 PM

@DavidCarlisle yeah, I saw that.

I encountered a problem I never saw before:

!pdfTeX error: pdflatex: cannot use progressive DCT with PDF-1.2
 ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

David Carlisle

@Skillmon you've set the pdfversion back to 1.2? (the default is 1.5)

barbara beeton

@egreg -- actually, a much simpler explanation: the size of the drawn box is based on what it was in ams-tex. amsfonts didn't exist when ams-tex was created; no open square existed in an available font at the time.

Skillmon

The document builds without problem if I run pdflatex file.tex but if I use pdflatex -ini -jobname="file" "&pdflatex" mylatexformat.ltx """file.tex""" and after that pdflatex -halt-on-error -fmt="file" file.tex I get that error.

egreg

@barbarabeeton Let's blame Mike Spivak, then. :-)

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle perhaps mylatexformat.ltx does that :(

David Carlisle

12:45 PM

@Skillmon what does \showthe\pdfminorversion say in the two cases?

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle 5 without format, while building the format also 5 but using the format fails with the above shown error (no access to the output of \showthe because it crashes before the first line of my file is interpreted).

David Carlisle

@Skillmon pass then sorry:-) also I need to do some work stuff, if you can make a test case worth asking a question, I'll look later

@Skillmon are you using a 2018 latex?

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle TL17 frozen

David Carlisle

@Skillmon phew:-) It just occurred to me that we might have broken the format building in the new release but if it's tl2017 then it's not that. Really am gone now..

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon works okay for me with a simple test document. So it is perhaps something in the document.

Skillmon

1:01 PM

@UlrikeFischer of course, I use that build for almost everything almost all the time. Am currently building an MWE, gonna ask a question when it's done.

Skillmon

1:12 PM

@UlrikeFischer building that MWE is frustrating... Just can't find the issue.

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon You don't need to find the issue but without code to reproduce it we won't be able to find it either ;-)

@Skillmon "progressive DCT" sounds as if some media is involved. Are there graphics or videos in the file?

Skillmon

@UlrikeFischer I located the source of the issue. Some image files, either jpg or png (both possible, further investigating)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@Skillmon From the PDF reference manual: “In addition to the baseline JPEG format, beginning with PDF 1.3, the DCTDecode filter supports the progressive JPEG extension.”

Most likely JPEG, then, since PNG does not use DCT.

Skillmon

@HaraldHanche-Olsen yep, it is

@HaraldHanche-Olsen strange thing is that the error states problems with pdfversion 1.2, but the document has version 1.5, seems like mylatexformat.ltx does something strange there

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon That's the really interesting question. It doesn't happen for me in a simple test document. It can handle progressive jpeg without problems.

Skillmon

1:52 PM

@UlrikeFischer use this jpg

    \documentclass[]{article}

    \usepackage[]{graphicx}
    \newbox\heartbox
    \setbox\heartbox\hbox{\includegraphics{phantom_herz_BAK.jpg}}


    \begin{document}
    \usebox\heartbox
    \end{document}

that as document

# User defined variables {{{
##########################################
TEX   = pdflatex
FLAGS = -halt-on-error
BIB   = biber
# relative path to python-scripts which create plots and the like
PLTF  = ./plt
# relative path to image-files
IMGF  = ./img
# file extension for python-scripts
PY_EXT = plot.py
# relative path to included TeX-files
TEXF  = ./tex
##########################################
# }}}
# Automatically defined variables {{{
##########################################
FILE   = $(wildcard ./*.tex)

and that makefile. Build with make quick

mickep

2:06 PM

@UlrikeFischer Thank you very much! I was not able to find that collapsing with my (faulty) searches. In my opinion that option should by default be set to no.

Ulrike Fischer

@mickep I had just seen pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/math-mkiv.pdf, so I knew the word ;-).

mickep

2:20 PM

@UlrikeFischer Oh, thanks again, that looks like a useful manual.

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon you are trying to store the graphic in the format. I don't know if this is supposed to work, @DavidCarlisle will perhaps know.

Phelype Oleinik

@JohnDorian Sorry, when I answered your question earlier today I didn't see the part about the starred versions of the delimiters. I completed the answer now :)

samcarter

2:43 PM

@marmot @AlanMunn This tree now looks like a bird

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marmot

@samcarter Indeed. ;-)

samcarter

@marmot I knew that birds often sit in trees, but that they consist of trees is something new :)

marmot

@samcarter You made @AlanMunn's poster so much better. I'm sure he'll get an award. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter WOW

John Dorian

@PhelypeOleinik Thanks a lot for your nice answer :-) (and no need for apologies of course)

Phelype Oleinik

2:49 PM

@JohnDorian You're welcome :)

@JohnDorian I tend to skip things when reading... When I finished reading the bulleted list I thought I could skip the rest :P

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Apropos birds: I found github.com/cereda/nightingale very interesting, with last commit 4 years ago, but a readme suggesting "I will update this repository periodically" ;)

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician ooh :) I will explain, give me some minutes. :)

TeXnician

3:17 PM

@PauloCereda Btw: It's as interesting as github.com/cereda/obiwankenobi with "This is my humble attempt of providing a minimalist ABNT-compliant thesis class without bells and whistles." which is totally correct, because your minimalism reached that point of not even including LaTeX code (although to be fair that is stated in the readme) :D

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda Best acronym ever :)

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer @Skillmon I would have thought it would work with pdftex (not so much other engines) but I have never tried it.

Paulo Cereda

3:33 PM

@TeXnician: arara 3.0 has a lot of nuisances and something had to be done about it. At a certain point, I thought of giving up, so as an exercise, I decided to write another tool, very similar to arara with a couple of new things. This exercise gave me a lot of fresh air, and thus I decided to rewrite arara entirely from scratch based on nightingale's entire code (modulo Groovy rules).

The nightingale tool is basically finished, and I can provide a manual for it too and release it in the wild, if people find it useful. :)

@TeXnician This is an interesting project: without bells and whistles, I managed, in less than 10 lines of pure memoir macros, to get a ABNT-compliant document!

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Ah okay, every programmer's favorite situation.

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician arara 4.0 is nightingale 1.0 in desguise. :)

@TeXnician and by a terrible coincidence, Demi Lovato released a song named Nightingale by that same time! Drat! :D

Demi Lovato - Nightingale (Official Video)

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TeXnician

@PauloCereda Well, that's interesting. Maybe I have a look at it later on.

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician I think the Groovy-based rules are a fantastic approach. Maybe arara 5.0 can finally migrate to them.

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Beware of becoming make-like ;)

Paulo Cereda

3:39 PM

@TeXnician :D I think @percusse once said arara could become the emacs of the TeX world. :)

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Oh, we'll see. Let's talk about this in 20 years. Probably that's the time when your other projects are top 10 TeX support tools too (marmot, edicta, cuckoo, ...).

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician LOLOLOL

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Oh, I forgot ArTeXmis ;)

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician ooh that one will take me to Dante 2019. :)

Wait a minute...

You guys read nothing.

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Probably without a manual, because that can't be typeset using ArTeXmis by then :D

Paulo Cereda

3:43 PM

@TeXnician Good code is its own documentation, said a well-known Englishbloke. :)

@TeXnician touché! :D

TeXnician

@PauloCereda And then someone introduced javadoc...

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician and doclets!

TeXnician

@PauloCereda But maybe one day someone introduces automated documentation in a new LaTeX3 format :)

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician ooh

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Let's say writing ArTeXmis is a more realistic goal.

Paulo Cereda

3:46 PM

@TeXnician yes.

TeXnician

@PauloCereda And if it provides a good expl3 code support maybe the unproductive use of emacs to develop TeX code will end ;)

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician It's in the plan.

David Carlisle

@TeXnician end of emacs use will coincide with end of the world. Be careful what you wish for.

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Apart from your catcode-aware TeX lexer and some nice UI features iirc.

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician ssshhh. :)

TeXnician

3:49 PM

@DavidCarlisle No, it coincides with the day when each computer user on the world has opened vim and then...

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle well the idea to have a dangling pdf object lurking around in the format sounds a bit odd. Normal jpg seems to works with pdflatex but lualatex crashes if one tries to use such a format.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yes luatex I would expect to fail as the lua state is explicitly not saved in the format

Ulrike Fischer

4:45 PM

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@samcarter ^^^^ They are on display now ;-)

samcarter

@UlrikeFischer ohh!

I hope they behave and don't break any of the other figures!

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@TeXnician – and can't find their way out again?

TeXnician

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yeah, these people who do not know about the q key, but always try z ;)

Ulrike Fischer

5:30 PM

@samcarter Some of them looks a bit adventurous but there is always the threat "back into the box" ;-)

John Dorian

Can I find the source code to package documentations on CTAN?

Phelype Oleinik

@JohnDorian The .dtx file contains both the package code and documentation.

@JohnDorian If you run tex package.ins you will extract the package code from the .dtx file. If you run latex package.dtx you'll compile the package's documentation.

John Dorian

5:46 PM

@PhelypeOleinik Good to know, thank you.

Phelype Oleinik

@JohnDorian You're welcome :)

marmot

@samcarter May I bug you with a question?

Skillmon

6:06 PM

@DavidCarlisle @UlrikeFischer it does work most of the time, but not for that one particular jpeg and that was the first time it didn't work for me. I pre-converted the jpeg to pdf, now everything works fine.

Paulo Cereda

6:51 PM

@UlrikeFischer ooh

@samcarter THIS... IS... SPARTA

samcarter

@marmot Sure! Fire at will

marmot

@samcarter Too late;-) (I was wondering if \pause inside tikzpicture in a beamer document is a know source of errors, but it's not. Yet marmot typos are ;-)

Skillmon

Turns out boxing the graphics in the format and using the boxes doesn't give any measurable performance gain.

samcarter

@marmot \usetikzlibrary{overlay-beamer-styles} might be useful if you want to do overlays in tiks

@PauloCereda :) Are the yellow or the black ones sparta?

marmot

@samcarter Oh thanks, I didn't know that.

Skillmon

6:59 PM

@marmot there are several questions about it on TeX.SX (some of which having fabulous answers)

samcarter

@marmot It's very useful - the only problem is that I can never remember the name and have to search each time :)

marmot

@Skillmon About marmot-induced errors? I am sure there are ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter oh I don't know

Skillmon

@marmot But I don't know whether they provide anything superior to \usetikzlibrary{overlay-beamer-styles}

marmot

@samcarter Yes, I couldn't find it in the pgfmanual.

Skillmon

7:00 PM

@marmot I meant about beamer's overlays in conjunction with TikZ.

samcarter

@marmot The package was created from one of the fabulous answers (to quote @Skillmon) on this site: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/84513/…

marmot

@Skillmon I know. Was just kidding. (I am converting old pstricks slides to TikZ. That's quite some effort ...)

Paulo Cereda

How TikZ works in one word:

marmot

@samcarter I wish I had known that package before I defined all my tricks ;-)

samcarter

@marmot This is a very common feeling when encountering new packages :)

marmot

7:06 PM

@samcarter Yes, some parts of the package are almost exactly the same as my macros, but much more elegant....

I defined some macro \Explain that pops up a callout to explain some symbol or whatever. The outcome is OK, but my macro is a real mess. ;-)

Loop Space

@marmot If it's any consolation, I wasn't aware that the tikz/beamer overlay styles had been put into a package.

Though it's worth pointing out (to attribute credit correctly) that the first occurrence of the overlay-aware styles was due to Matthew Leingang in tex.stackexchange.com/a/6155/86

marmot

@LoopSpace Well, I was using the tricks developed there from several years without knowing. And I wasted quite some time with that...

@LoopSpace Yes, I think I have seen that link.

samcarter

7:23 PM

@LoopSpace Which states that the answer was inspired by your note #2, so does this make you the great-great-grand father of the aobs package?

marmot

@samcarter @LoopSpace At least that would close the loop ;-)

Loop Space

@samcarter I lay claim to all tikz packages on this site.

David Carlisle

@LoopSpace so it's all your fault ?

Loop Space

@DavidCarlisle Of course, but I'll pass the blame on to you as it was all inspired by picture mode.

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda @samcarter my husband keeps talking of the "dark duck of Barad-Dur" when seeing my avatar.

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Paulo Cereda

7:30 PM

@UlrikeFischer ooh :D

Christian Hupfer

@UlrikeFischer According to @PauloCereda himself he should not know what Barad-Dur is, however, since he has never read the LOTR .... ;-)

samcarter

@UlrikeFischer If you ever need a new user name, this would be a great one!

Christian Hupfer

@samcarter Ulrike -- The Two Towers -- Fischer ;-)

samcarter

@ChristianHupfer This would give sense to the background picture of the main site

Christian Hupfer

@samcarter You mean the Tengwar Script?

samcarter

7:44 PM

@ChristianHupfer Yes. Explaining why it is there is much more fun with the "dark duck of Barad-Dur"

Christian Hupfer

@samcarter Let us not duckify anything ;-) There should be a duck-safe zone

samcarter

@ChristianHupfer Right, the holy background image has to be 100% duck free :)

marmot

@LoopSpace You mean the chat site, right?

Christian Hupfer

@samcarter Oh, not only that background

Loop Space

8:00 PM

@marmot No, by rite of age, I claim to have inspired every tikz package from the main site.

marmot

@LoopSpace I see. Finally we got the guy who caused the duck overflow ;-)

Loop Space

@marmot Oh, except ducks. I take no responsibility for any ducks.

marmot

@LoopSpace But the tikzduck package is by far the most useful thing that the TeX world has ever seen. ;-)

Loop Space

@marmot Exactly. So I'm insanely jealous not to have been the inspiration for that.

marmot

@LoopSpace Well, you could work on a marmot package ;-)

Loop Space

8:09 PM

@marmot git init marmot

marmot

@LoopSpace I think @PauloCereda already has done that...

Paulo Cereda

@marmot github.com/cereda/marmot

:D

Loop Space

@PauloCereda Curse you, Paulo!

Paulo Cereda

@LoopSpace oh no

Loop Space

@PauloCereda git init tikz-marmot

Paulo Cereda

8:13 PM

@LoopSpace ooh

Loop Space

@PauloCereda I have a package for the situation of a spherical marmot in a vacuum.

marmot

8:33 PM

@LoopSpace Marmots are not cows! And marmots don't suck, there is really no point of putting them in your vacuum (cleaner)!

yo'

9:29 PM

@LoopSpace :D

Alan Munn

9:40 PM

@marmot @samcarter Thanks for duckifying my tree. (It wasn't my poster, but one of our undergraduates.) Today was our university wide undergraduate research forum, and we had 8 posters presented from our students.

samcarter

10:07 PM

@AlanMunn I'd say it looks more like a chicken :) A university wide research forum sounds like an interesting event! Many new things to learn?

@LoopSpace You can claim something far better: You have written the whole ducks library!

Alan Munn

@samcarter Too many. :) Over 1000 students participate, so it's very hard to see more than a small fraction of the posters.

@samcarter If there's something you learn around here, all birds are ducks, unless they're araras.

samcarter

@AlanMunn Wow! The local poster print shops must have worked over time :)

Alan Munn

@samcarter Many departments have their own wide format printers, and but yes, in the days leading up to the event the library copy centre is very busy. Luckily it's open till midnight or so for the last minute people.

samcarter

@AlanMunn The last time I checked there where ducks in the arara documentation

Alan Munn

@samcarter That sounds dangerous for the ducks. I would bet on an arara in an duck-arara fight. :)

samcarter

10:13 PM

@AlanMunn The duck could hide from the arara by diving in the pond?

marmot

11:00 PM

@samcarter \begin{scope}[hide duck] ?

Alan Munn

@marmot \phantom{duck}?