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6:11 AM
@samcarter @marmot Is there a tikzmouse in tikzlings? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/316515/who-cut-the-cheese?cb=1
 
@marmot suggested edits are edits done by users having not enough reputation to edit straight away.
 
 
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7:58 AM
@MarcelKrüger the luaotfload test files spotted a bug in the new arabluatex ;-).
 
8:47 AM
@UlrikeFischer Nice :)
 
8:59 AM
@MarcelKrüger yes, Robert was quite pleased. I will look at the pull request probably in the evening. This rewriting of the fontname is a bit odd, but I think we can't change it without making @WillRobertson unhappy. But perhaps one could create for users a aux.lua function that gives back the short fontname ("cmr10 at 15pt") and the feature list.
 
9:23 AM
oh no
 
@PauloCereda ? What happened?
 
@UlrikeFischer Just a preemptive answer for David. :)
 
@PauloCereda I can give you a better reason:
 
@UlrikeFischer oh no
 
@PauloCereda horrible isn't it?
 
9:35 AM
@UlrikeFischer I am currently working on a \fontname dop-in replacement, probably called \fontspecification or something. Then we can try to get the \fontname users to migrate and are no longer limited in the fontname length. Anyway the rewriting not only affects fontspec, the NFSS relies on \fontname too.
 
@MarcelKrüger If a tex command name is needed we should discuss it with Will and the latex team. Perhaps an internal expl3 name would be more sensible.
 
@UlrikeFischer Ironically, my news feed was showing me the 2019 reboot of Stephen King's Pet Sematary... spooky
 
@MarcelKrüger can you also extract the "implicit" features of a font? Quite a lot a set by defaults in the scripts (e.g. deva adds a lot) and it would good to know them too.
 
@UlrikeFischer Certainly, but I want to see what can be implemented first.
@UlrikeFischer What would you use them for?
 
@PauloCereda Very fitting ;-). I have to go now, but wanted to write to you in the afternoon.
 
9:44 AM
@UlrikeFischer ooh :)
 
@MarcelKrüger While looking at the deva questions I realized that it is often quite unclear which open type feature is actually active as luaotfload adds some defaults. This makes it difficult to compare tests.
 
@UlrikeFischer All enabled features can be listed for non-legacy fonts with \directlua{table.print(font.getfont(font.current()).specification.features.norm‌​al)}, but normally I would consider default features as a implementation detail.
 
10:14 AM
Drat, they changed the Doctor Who theme song for Season 11!
 
11:01 AM
@MarcelKrüger Hm. I can see the table in the fontdump, but the command gives nil in an document. Will have to check later.
 
 
2 hours later…
12:51 PM
@samcarter -- probably this is too much to suggest, but i'm very fond of braids. there are several ways that hair can be braided (i'll stick to "simple" braids here) -- one that is "flat" on top, and one for which the braid rises above the surface (i know this as a "haitian braid"). it all depends on whether the strands are brought over the top, or up from the bottom as the braid is plaited. something to think about.
@Skillmon -- re output of \showhyphens, i don't remember offhand how it's done, but take a look at the input for the file tb0hyf.tex (be sure to get the one in usergrps/tug/tugboat/hyphenex; that's the most recent, and i'm working on an update, but the macros won't change.)
@Skillmon -- while xml isn't (easily) human readable, it is more readily processable by computers when used for projects such as the text encoding initiative because its scoping is more completely and clearly delineated. i'm not talking about math; that still has distinct weaknesses if you're talking about accessibility to people who can't see.
 
1:07 PM
@barbarabeeton The tikzlings need to visit a special braid school to do all of these :)
 
@Skillmon -- you may not be aware that organizations like the american math society may never have adopted tex if they were using an editor other than emacs. when i was sent to stanford to learn tex in 1979, i had to learn emacs first, because that was the editor in use by the tex project.
@samcarter -- well, i just meant it might be something to think about. don't you think that marmot might look cute with corn rows?
 
@barbarabeeton but I'd disagree with the first statement, saying xml isn't readable by humans is like saying that ascii isn't. The format is rather a detail, readability depends mostly on thw content of what you are being asked to read. For example unicode.xml is a merger of several Unicode UCD data files and the stix data file but it's more readable than any of them, especially if only a fragment is looked at.
@barbarabeeton category="Po" combclass="0" bidi="ON" mirror="N" is easier to understand than the equivalent section of UnicodeData.txt which is Po;0;ON;;;;;N
 
> "Some languages can be read by humans, but not by machines, while others can be read by machines but not by humans. XML solves this problem by being readable to neither."
 
@PauloCereda throw the duck a biscuit
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh biscuits
 
1:13 PM
@barbarabeeton Such a marmot would indeed be very cute! Or one could do such a dog:
 
@samcarter Bob Marley dog?!
 
user image
10
Does this count as a palindrome?
 
@PhelypeOleinik ooh:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- i don't disagree with the statement that many of the unicode reference files are inscrutable. but that's not what i was referring to. and i did say "easily".
 
@PhelypeOleinik ooh
 
1:17 PM
@samcarter -- oh, i've got an even better picture! (i love komondorok and pulik. at a show, i once saw one poor beast combed out into banana curls! what a mistake! poor critter was surely embarrassed!)
 
@barbarabeeton the Emacs (the OS) bashing is merely a joke I have to make because I use VIM (a proper editor). Similar thing is true for the XML bashing (all jokingly). Thanks for the \showhyphens thingy, I'll take a look.
 
@barbarabeeton ooh
 
@PauloCereda ^^^^ isn't that the thing the lady from Sheffield dealt with at the weekend?
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
TOM BRAID
 
1:20 PM
@samcarter That looks almost like a relative of this one:
 
@PhelypeOleinik -- that's a stealth palindrome for sure!
 
I searched for braid cat and got this:
 
@barbarabeeton This flying ball of wool looks very funny!
@barbarabeeton I can't image how such a dog would look like with banana curls!
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- have you ever patted a musk ox? i have, and it's the softest fiber i've ever felt. as well as amazingly warm. i would love to knit with qiviut, but it's really hard to get and priced accordingly. someday ...
@samcarter -- and happy! when i saw the banana curls (not on this shaggy beauty), i couldn't believe that its person could be so unfeeling!
 
@barbarabeeton Um, no, getting too near a live one is a high risk sport. I have seen tourists go too close, and when the animal started seeming upset, I was very afraid for them. And they hadn't a clue, did not see the very clear signal that the musk ox was sending. I did not dare intervene either, for fear of making a dicey situation worse.
@barbarabeeton But now that I think of it, I have touched a stuffed one. You're right, it is very soft.
 
1:29 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- well, i have to admit that the one i patted was in the fram museum near oslo. stuffed and unmoving. quite safe (and quite unapproved).
 
@PauloCereda Looks very comfortable! Just imagine this cat sitting inside: gd.image-gmkt.com/…
 
@samcarter ooh
 
@barbarabeeton Hmm, I didn't know they had one there. The one I touched was in the lobby of a hotel near their habitat. You don't see them anywhere near Oslo.
 
@barbarabeeton It must have taken ages to make banana curls for the whole dog. Poor dog!
 
@samcarter and @PauloCereda -- here's another (my husband found the picture)
user image
5
 
1:36 PM
@barbarabeeton are the sources available to non-TUG-members?
 
@barbarabeeton The white cat is a good example for last years Ig-nobel prize about cats being a fluid :)
 
@barbarabeeton (just saw that this is what the caption says, should have read it first :)
 
@DavidCarlisle thx, CTAN was too obvious :)
 
@Skillmon -- everything is on ctan, both the word list (in the tex file) and the derived hyphenation list. it's not fully up to date because i haven't had time to put the update together. updating it is about third on my to-do list.
@samcarter -- ah! another follower of the igs! (we've been able to attend the ceremony for quite a few years. this year's edition of the "first annual" was lots of fun, as always. while there are videos and radio coverage, one misses the paper airplanes on those media.)
 
1:55 PM
@barbarabeeton ooh
 
2:27 PM
@CarLaTeX @samcarter @Marmot do anyone know if there is code for a (in the wind) moving flag somewhere?
 
@UlrikeFischer I have done some very poor flag here, but this can be improved, of course.
 
@UlrikeFischer I saw many flags but not waving, sorry
 
@CarLaTeX Non lo so.
@Skillmon Thanks!
 
2:33 PM
@marmot oh god, a sky diving koala ;-). I missed that ;-).
@samcarter Yes ;-)
 
@marmot You could add an answer :)
 
@barbarabeeton Unfortunately the ceremony is a bit far away for me to attend, but I'll watch the video every year. My personal favourite is the summary of ones research in 7(?) words - this must be really hard!
@CarLaTeX I actually bookmarked this page. Maybe a tikzmouse will appear :)
@CarLaTeX @marmot should add this as answer to the cheese contest: tex.stackexchange.com/a/446516/36296
 
@CarLaTeX Which question? (I just wake up from hibernation, so I probably missed the whole point. ;-)
 
@samcarter -- yes. the 24/7 explanations were exceedingly impressive -- especially the ones that were done from memory! (i wonder how many hours of practicing were involved in perfecting the 24-second explanations. some of them were real tongue twisters!)
 
2:45 PM
@samcarter Thanks!
 
@samcarter -- i'm delighted by the fact that someone has actually been awarded both an ig nobel prize (for a frog levitation experiment) and a nobel prize (for the discovery of graphene). and that the ig nobel prizes are bestowed by actual nobel laureates. just goes to prove that people who are serious about their intellectual work are not devoid of fun.
 
@PhelypeOleinik Wow, impressive!
 
@CarLaTeX :)
 
3:05 PM
@samcarter Yeah!
@marmot samcarter already replied :)
 
@CarLaTeX do you have a convert rule for gifs and the new arara?
 
@UlrikeFischer no, I haven't updated my old one yet, sorry
 
3:20 PM
Does anyone know why pgfplots goes into an endless loop if the start of a domain is the same as the end? say domain=0:0. Yes it is a silly thing to use, it came up while animating the trace of a function, which is natural to do with say domain=0:\i where \i is the animation counter.
 
@CarLaTeX at the end it was simple:
commands:
- command: <arara> ....
 
Figured out that if you also explicitly add sample at then it will complain about the empty domain, but not with out it
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplots}
\pgfplotsset{compat=1.16}
\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}
\begin{axis}[
samples at={1},
domain=1:1
]
\addplot[no marks] {x};
\end{axis}
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}
hmm, but that does not work with animate. Probably just best to add 0.0001 or something to the end
 
3:37 PM
Why doesn't that work with animate? Can't you just add `\ifnum\i=1
\addplot[no marks,samples at={1}] {x};
\else .
\addplot[no marks,domain=1:\i] {x};
\fi
@daleif ^^^^^
 
3:49 PM
Lucky number 7:
user image
8
 
@marmot the flag is quite usable. The only problem is that it is shifting up and down the pole. Do you have an idea how to adjust the function so that it is a bit more stable?
\documentclass[tikz]{standalone}
\usetikzlibrary{shadings}
\begin{document}
\foreach \n in
{0,1,...,20}
{%
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw
        [line width=15.1mm,black]
        plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
        ({4.8+\x/90},{6+0.2*cos(\x+\n*54)});

\draw
        [line width=15mm,white]
        plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
        ({4.8+\x/90},{6+0.2*cos(\x+\n*54)});
\fill[left color=gray, right color=gray,middle color=gray!50!white] ([xshift=-2mm]4.8,7.0)--++ (0,-4.8)--++(4mm,0)--++(0,4.8)--cycle;
 
@samcarter Only 700000 more to go, and you've got the comma correctly placed too!
2
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen only 699998 missing (I had to wait to accept an answer to a question of mine, luckily the users was understanding that this was an important reason to wait a few hours because the +2 would have destroyed all my chances :)
 
@UlrikeFischer ^^^ sth like that?
\documentclass[tikz]{standalone}
\usetikzlibrary{shadings}
\begin{document}
\foreach \n in
{0,1,...,20}
{%
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw (4.5,2) rectangle (9,7.1);
\draw plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
({4.8+\x/90},{6.75+0.2*cos(\x/(1+abs(0.1*(10-\n)))}) --
plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
({4.8+(360-\x)/90},{5.25+0.2*cos((360-\x)/(1+abs(0.1*(10-\n)))});
\fill[left color=gray, right color=gray,middle color=gray!50!white] ([xshift=-2mm]4.8,7.0)--++ (0,-4.8)--++(4mm,0)--++(0,4.8)--cycle;
 
4:06 PM
@marmot I can feel the wind in my hair by looking at your flag!
 
@samcarter Now it's @UlrikeFischer's flag. ;-)
 
@marmot much better. But are you sure that the parentheses and braces are nested correctly? (And now I have to figure out how to get a cross on the flag), with the old flag I had simply adapted the line with and the domain.
 
@UlrikeFischer good catch, there is indeed a ) missing at the very end of +0.2*cos(\x/(1+abs(0.1*(10-\n)))). The height of the flag is controlled by 6.75+ and 5.25+ (whose difference is 1.5cm), which I thought would be cleaner in case you'd ever decide to want a non-vertical right end of the flag. You want a cross in the the middle of the flag?
 
@UlrikeFischer very good :)
 
@marmot no I want a cross "crossing" the whole flag. But it was easy: simply twice the same plot with different height and domain and a cycle so that I can fill it.
 
4:21 PM
@marmot that does work, thanks
 
@UlrikeFischer ^^^ no cross?
@UlrikeFischer What do you mean by crossing?
@UlrikeFischer Here with your method:
\documentclass[tikz]{standalone}
\usetikzlibrary{shadings}
\begin{document}
\foreach \n in
{0,1,...,20}
{%
\begin{tikzpicture}[declare
function={flag(\x,\n)=0.2*cos(\x/(1+abs(0.1*(10-\n))));}]
\path (4.5,2) rectangle (9,7.1);
\draw [line width=15.1mm] plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
({4.8+\x/90},{6+flag(\x,\n)}) ;
\draw [line width=15mm,white] plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
({4.8+\x/90},{6+flag(\x,\n)}) ;
\fill[left color=gray, right color=gray,middle color=gray!50!white] ([xshift=-2mm]4.8,7.0)--++ (0,-4.8)--++(4mm,0)--++(0,4.8)--
 
@marmot like this:
 
@UlrikeFischer
\documentclass[tikz]{standalone}
\usetikzlibrary{shadings}
\begin{document}
\foreach \n in
{0,1,...,20}
{%
\begin{tikzpicture}[declare
function={flag(\x,\n)=0.2*cos(\x/(1+abs(0.1*(10-\n))));}]
\draw (4.5,2) rectangle (9,7.1);
\draw plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=73]
({4.8+\x/90},{6.75+flag(\x,\n)}) --
plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=73]
({4.8+(360-\x)/90},{5.25+flag(360-\x,\n)});
\draw [blue,line width=3mm] plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=73]
({4.8+\x/90},{6+flag(\x,\n)});
 
4:41 PM
@marmot I used this, the border of the blue stripes are imho better so:
\documentclass[tikz,border=5mm]{standalone}
\usetikzlibrary{shadings}
\begin{document}
\foreach \n in
%{0}
{0,1,...,20}
{%
\begin{tikzpicture}

\draw
 plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
 ({4.8+\x/90},{6.75+0.2*cos(\x/(1+abs(0.1*(10-\n))))})
 --
  plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
 ({4.8+(360-\x)/90},{5.25+0.2*cos((360-\x)/(1+abs(0.1*(10-\n))))});

\fill[blue]
 plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
 ({4.8+\x/90},{6.10+0.2*cos(\x/(1+abs(0.1*(10-\n))))})
 --
  plot[variable=\x,domain=0:360,samples=72]
 
@UlrikeFischer I agree.
@UlrikeFischer I would just use declare function to be able to replace the function more easily if needed.
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I guess by then there is a simple way to replace the comma by a 7 at the same place, such that there will be 7 7's.
 
5:20 PM
@marmot for what?
 
@Skillmon For the explanation of "suggested edits". (I am not very comfortable with the way the original post and suggested edit are displayed, so in order to not screw up things I will just refrain from looking at those.)
 
@AlanMunn ooh
COMIC SANS
By the way, you gotta love this Slashdot entry: Apache OpenOffice, the Schrodinger's Application: No One Knows If It's Dead or Alive, No One Really Wants To Look Inside
4
 
@PauloCereda not quite sure if you should show images with the word "consumed". It could attire comments from @DavidCarlisle.
 
@UlrikeFischer oh no
 
6:11 PM
@UlrikeFischer It seems that pandoc cares about the internal structure of the .pandoc directory. My templates were just in the directory but when I moved them to .pandoc/templates they worked.
 
@UlrikeFischer You mean comments like "best consumed with orange sauce" ?
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't know if you clicked on the nytimes link above, but it reviews a book that could also be about food.
 
@AlanMunn No I just got in, should I scroll up to see...
@AlanMunn so it could
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
@DavidCarlisle In other news, I had a ham and pineapple pizza last night. The horrors continue.
 
@AlanMunn @CarLaTeX will be so proud of you.
 
@AlanMunn ooh
Also, Nutella pizza is good.
 
6:48 PM
@marmot totally forgot about that :)
@marmot Also you can choose among two or three kinds of display. In the upper right corner (if I remember correctly) you get a choice of display style (or was it when you view at edits of posts?!)
 
@Skillmon Yes: "very confusing", "extremely confusing" and "not at all clear" ;-)
 
@marmot :)
 
@DavidCarlisle did you got a mail from me just now? my email system is bugging me. It claims it is send but don't show it.
 
7:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle @AlanMunn Oh no!
 
@UlrikeFischer I got one that starts I think this wan't sent...
 
@DavidCarlisle good so only one. I hope that it works now. The last day was a bit stressing. Some things went out, other not ...
 
@UlrikeFischer but at least google hangouts worked, but as @egreg and I demonstrated,it works better if you actually join the meeting
 
@DavidCarlisle at the begin I had a "hang out". Suddenly I couldn't hear nothing at all and was looking around in the sound properties until I saw Joseph's tipp to restart.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:43 PM
@AlanMunn Let me guess: you went to hospital afterwards and asked them to pump out the stuff out of your stomach. Hope you're well!
 
@AlanMunn Did the rector order and you couldn't refuse?
 
@egreg You really think that a person with a serious academic background would be able to do that?
 
9:13 PM
@marmot Have you ever been in touch with a rector? ;-)
 
@egreg Yes. (Are you implying this is an appropriate way to get rid of tenured faculty? ;-)
 
@marmot :-)
 
10:12 PM
oh Firefox just turned off supporting rss/atom feeds, no more bbc news headlines :(
 
@DavidCarlisle What???
 
@JosephWright one of the "benefits" of using nightly is these things hit you with 12 weeks less warning than most people, I had a bbc news feed this morning, and now I don't
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah well: since Google Reader closed, I've been using Feedly for RSS ...
 
11:06 PM
@marmot @egreg I can assure you no administrative coercion was involved, nor subsequent medical services required. :)
 

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