@JosephWright , @DavidCarlisle -- i thought i saw mention of a latexnews, later than 26, under construction. was i hallucinating, or is that actually happening? if true, when is it likely to be (close to) ready?

@barbarabeeton I checked in ltnews 27 yesterday, although it won't win any literary prizes yet. notional date is currently first of may but that may change basically "just before tl2017"

@DavidCarlisle -- okay, thanks. i'll take a look, but we won't try to get it into the in-process tugboat issue. (i like that "yet" in your description ...) will ask again when the next issue (proceedings of "bachotug") is imminent.

@StefanKottwitz Doing so every day, but sometimes answering short because i am on a mobile device.

A couple of spam posts this morning :-(

@egreg on verbatim hyphenchar I was going to use \language\no@hyphenation instead (and same in \verb) but then we'd have to reset the main document language in page headers without clashing with babel and every page header setup, so I'm thinking of just saving hyphenchar and resetting at end, which would still mean if you have a verbatim using \normalfont then page headings using the same font will have hyphenation disabled, but the chance that's actually an issue seems small?

@UlrikeFischer be interested in your thoughts as well ^^

@DavidCarlisle Make verbatim not breakable across pages. ;-)

@egreg I don't think that would be popular

@DavidCarlisle I doubt that hyphenation in page headers matter much. People who put a novel there could always add sensible language switches (and should as the main document could have another language active at the page break anyway, even if no verbatim is involved).

@UlrikeFischer so you'd use \language anyway? rather than set and reset hyphenchar? using \language in \verb makes lots of diffs in our test suite with extra language nodes, it may be that only affects us, but it makes me a bit nervous about it

@JosephWright ^^^

@DavidCarlisle Hmm

@DavidCarlisle Imho changing the language sounds more logical, and thinking about it changing it to a configurable language perhaps even more -- then people could define a "verbatim" language which allows breaks e.g. at underscores. Regarding the language nodes: you could also correct the currently definitions with hyphenchar and define a new variant with languages and some command to activate it. Then one could test a bit and check the differences.

@DavidCarlisle We'll certainly need to check them by hand

@egreg Seen you email? ;)

@JosephWright well there's no space changes just + ....\setlanguage1 (hyphenmin 2,3) so checking isn't too bad, but usual danger of extra whatsit nodes is they catch you out when doing weird unboxing tricks, like the way the tex-xet change in xetex broke breqn until it reverted to tex--xet. I couldn't actually think of a case where teh \language node is a problem though.

@cfr I wanna be Welsh too. <3

@PauloCereda \setlanguage82

Good morninggggggggggggggg

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Best regards @DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda

@Sebastiano aloha

Can I have an explanation on fonts? Don't be worry David, I will not change never a old post.

@Sebastiano only if you ask about them

Exists mtpro2 font lite as form true type (ttf)?

@Sebastiano ctan only has type 1 so it seems not ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/mtp2lite/texmf/fonts

On the Internet there are no true type fonts mtpro2. I must pay to obtain. Yes David of course.

After writing in LaTeX in relation to my question, with adobe illustrator I can fit more easily insert images and colored rectangles and more. But they need the true type fonts. Of times I found them but for mtpro2 lite version not found them.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/355320/…

I hope you have a little more information about. Greetings and good work at all.

@Sebastiano shrug, there are plenty of times-like clones these days. If mtpro has what you need fine, but if not I wouldn't worry about it just use tex gyre or stix or newtxmath.

@Sebastiano I have some doubt that the complete set of mtpro2 contains true types. There is no indication on the pctex site, before you pay you should better ask.

@DavidCarlisle I can see that but inside \verb we really should be safe ...

@DavidCarlisle At least for Unicode engines there's an out-an-out issue to fix anyway

@JosephWright Just now. I'll answer later.

@egreg Cool

@egreg No pressure :)

@JosephWright yes well I think it's a real bug even in pdftex, so I should change something. (but currently setting hyphenchar seems safer as we delegate so much (all) language support to babel)

@DavidCarlisle a bug? /gasp

@PauloCereda not in my code, naturally.

@DavidCarlisle of course. :)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, I can see that: perhaps simply alter it in babel as almost everyone loads that?

I am trying to avoid nesting tikzpicture environments. Is there an easy way to test if you are in a tikzpicture environment?

@StrongBad that's a good question :-)

\helpmeiamtrappedinsideatikzenvironmentbool

@StrongBad well, you could do \newif\ifintikz and \g@addto@macro\tikz@startup@env{\intikztrue}

@StrongBad maybe it was, I dunno. Doesn't seem obvious from the definitions...

LaTeX course starting in a few minutes. I'll report back about this year's audience.

@egreg good luck!

@egreg Hopefully you will learn something. Who's giving the course?

@DavidCarlisle A well known expert

@DavidCarlisle The bloke from yesterday who was asking for a certificate. :)

@StrongBad There is boolean pgfpicture, but it is false inside nodes:

\documentclass[]{article}
\usepackage{tikz,etoolbox}

\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}

\ifbool{pgfpicture}{\node[draw,blue]{yes};}{\node{no};}

\node[draw,red] at (0,-1) {\ifbool{pgfpicture}{yes}{no}};

\end{tikzpicture}

\end{document}

@UlrikeFischer: I have bad news about the book. :(

@PauloCereda you got mail ...

@UlrikeFischer oh... still refreshing, nothing arrived so far...

@PauloCereda Is gmail.com still correct?

@UlrikeFischer yes!

Let me check other folders...

@UlrikeFischer: The inbox marked you as spam! Deeply sorry!

@PauloCereda Well it is spam -- it keeps you away from your thesis ;-)

@UlrikeFischer <3 Replied. :)

@PauloCereda Got it. If you want some translation ask!

@UlrikeFischer Thank you! It's also a good chance for me to learn a beautiful language. :)

@PauloCereda How did I manage to disable the chat "ping" notification? The sound is there, and the setting is on "when mentioned" but it doesn't ping ;-(

@UlrikeFischer Aove the title "TeX, LaTeX and Friends" there's a volume icon. Click there and set things accordingly.

@PauloCereda Welsh?

@PauloCereda I already saw it and it was set correcty, but suddenly it is ok again.

@UlrikeFischer yay!

@DavidCarlisle Close. :)

@PauloCereda so fickle you are:

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@UlrikeFischer I would bet for Balken as well, but misstyping the same word multiple times ... can't be a coincidence.

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle The lecturer didn't mention DPC.

@egreg oh no

@egreg anything about % at eol?

@egreg -- on the topic of updating "old" questions, i've been slowly going through and trying to fix ones where the double backslash for line endings was clobbered. (trying to limit to 3 or so a day.) i've found one that i'm not sure how to fix, but since you were the last to edit the question, could you please take a look? tex.stackexchange.com/q/271916 and thanks.

here's another that looks like it's been clobbered in a different way: tex.stackexchange.com/q/117165 -- all & in the example in the question are rendered as \&, which can't possibly have resulted in the image shown. is this another example of "behind the scenes" unreported tinkering?

@barbarabeeton and have you seen the backslashes at the beginnings of lines in the answer?!

@yo' -- those are simply compromised instances of \\ . since there's a problem with both question and answer, i have refrained from changing anything until the question about the \& is answered, so all can be fixed at once, avoiding a multiple push to the front page. sigh.

@barbarabeeton this all is stupid, so to say

@yo' -- oh, i agree entirely, but i'd really rather avoid the possibility of someone cutting and pasting an erroneous example, then wondering why it doesn't work. (i get enough problems from authors here that come from such cluelessness.)

@barbarabeeton I just added one backslash; probably there was a \<space> for getting one row more.

@egreg -- but it doesn't agree with the image; the coding there now would leave a blank row in the middle. i think the two backslashes in that "row" should have been merged, but that's a different kind of problem than the one discussed on meta.

@barbarabeeton Removed; I discovered there was a <tab> between the two backslashes

@egreg -- thanks. what a mess! any ideas about the \& i also mentioned?

@barbarabeeton the \& are right, it's a tikz feature

@barbarabeeton see the ampersand replacement=\&] which means to use \& as the cell separation.

@DavidCarlisle -- thanks. (now i can go ahead and fix the corrupted double backslashes.)

@DavidCarlisle Only at the start, for the first lecture.

@PauloCereda That is, I think, an astonishingly rare desire. :-)

@cfr Cwac! <3

@DavidCarlisle Was that construction a deliberate dig or merely a coincidental one?

@cfr David keeps all sorts of messages so he can nag me. :)

@cfr ? coincidental I guess, since I'm not sure what you mean:-)

@cfr ^^ see? :)

@PauloCereda Cwac <3

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle It's a, I think well-known and somewhat mocked, feature of Welsh that the ordering of sentences is rather more flexible than in English. 'So fickle you are' rather than 'you are so fickle'. Only the second is grammatical in English, but both are grammatical in Welsh. At least, not quite, but almost. ('So fickle are you' would be grammatical.) The meaning is slightly different in terms of emphasis.

@DavidCarlisle 'So fickle are you', 'you are so fickle', 'are you so fickle' ... all kind of mean the same but also kind of mean slightly different things.

@cfr no I wasn't alluding to welsh:-) are you so fickle would be a question, I just used the inverted order in "so fickle are you" to give an old-time idiomatic (or one might now say yoda-ish) slant to it:-)

@DavidCarlisle So I figured from your earlier reply. 'Are you so fickle` is not intended as a question here. It is just 'he standard word order for an ordinary statement in Welsh. 'Are you so fickle?` gets a question mark ;). (More formally, it drops the prefix-thingy, whose grammatical name I forget.)

@cfr we should stick to German:-)

@DavidCarlisle Very likely. Of course, they put all the words in the wrong order. But at least they are consistent about it. ;)

@JosephWright I asked Michael Sharpe. It is quite probable that he ran into the resolved bug below and only thought etoolbox was the problem. He will change the packages as the problem no longer exists. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/237188/corrupted-nfss-tables

@UlrikeFischer \listfiles?

@UlrikeFischer Oh I see the issue

@UlrikeFischer Will fix tomorrow

@JosephWright running test suite with new verbatim language settings...

@DavidCarlisle Ooh

tlb-verb-003 passes here (now) so if everything else passes will check something in...

@JosephWright sometimes I curse \IncludeInRelease can only update whole macros when I end up changing inconsequential macros like \@outputpage and \document

@DavidCarlisle :)

@JosephWright see Akira's msg? Confirms what I feared that harfbuzz experiments will be restricted to -shell-escape :( I suppose it's Ok while they are just experiments...

@DavidCarlisle Saw the message, agree it's fine for testing but not for real work: need one LuaTeX not normal + JIT + ...

@JosephWright Not sure if I mentioned but I did some off list experiments with Luigi and Hans and almost got ffi half working with my cygwin build. That is I got some simple hello world C function to work but couldn't get their normal examples to run as it's a matter of picking through the minefield of choosing compatible native windows and/or cygwin dll. It's hard enough at best of times but as I didn't really understand what FFI was doing I gave up, and hoped it will just work by TL2017