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cfr
12:31 AM
@PauloCereda Thanks. I went to a paper on no-platforming, but I'm not really sure if that was supposed to be topical for the day or not.
 
 
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7:21 AM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
8:10 AM
@cfr Sounds fun!
 
 
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9:32 AM
@cfr: yesterday night there was a program on television named The world as seen from above and they showed Wales. It is a magical, wonderful place! I learned about why the eldest son of the queen is named the Prince of Wales and why there's a red dragon in the flag, amongst other things! But they didn't show Cardiff... :(
 
 
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11:35 AM
Hi, I'm running into a very typical problem that I don't know how to solve. I have a table which I want to follow with text. If I insert \clearpage that removes the gap, but I don't want a page break either
In short: Is there an alternative to \clearpage that forces everything to get typeset, but that doesn't trigger a page break?
 
@PauloCereda not this episode then worldfromabove.net
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@JoeCorneli not really, but the other question is if your table is part of the text flow so needs to be kept with following text, why is it floating?
 
The markup was introduced by a journal editor
I'm just trying to correct the proof at this point
Worked fine w/o their intervention!
 
@PauloCereda "brazil from the eyes of a bird duck" was the google snippet that came up:-)
 
11:39 AM
@Sebastiano Hi! Are you sure you don't change the meaning if you replace the previously displayed two backslashes by four ones? Besides what's the gain from editing a three year old closed question and bumping it to the front page? tex.stackexchange.com/posts/184596/revisions
 
yo'
@JoeCorneli (with my Graphic Editor hat on) If the journal editor wants it to be floating, let it float. There's nothing more annoying than figures and tables that aren't properly mentioned in the text so they can't be moved around the document easily.
 
@JoeCorneli if [htp] doesn't allow the table to be placed here then what do you want to do (that doesn't force a page break?)
 
I'm drawing a blank (literally and figuratively). This is a moment of Zen I guess
I guess I could put the text itself inside of a figure environment and get it to float
 
yo'
@JoeCorneli WHAT?!
 
A sufficiently ridiculous idea
 
11:42 AM
@samcarter @Sebastiano that edit was incorrect, you should revert it. But also there is no point in editing closed questions at all.
@JoeCorneli do you have h in the table options?
 
yo'
Sorry, but it really doesn't make sense what you want. If the table doesn't fit where you want it to fit, what should happen?
 
@Sebastiano And concerning tex.stackexchange.com/posts/64625/revisions I rolled back your edit, as you changed the meaning by removing the environment variable.
 
@yo' -- The table is fine, the problem is that the following text gets typeset to the bottom of the page
I want no gap
\clearpage removes the gap above the text, but introduces one below
 
@DavidCarlisle quack :)
 
OK my ridiculous hack actually seems to work
 
11:46 AM
@JoeCorneli I can't understand that description at all:-) Perhaps you should make an example and ask a question on site?
 
yo'
@JoeCorneli well, but if you have say 5cm left on a page and an 8cm table coming, what should happen?!
 
@PauloCereda ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle you are mean
 
@DavidCarlisle Now that I have a working hack I will create a question that asks for the right way to solve it
 
@PauloCereda no ducks were harmed in the making of this animated gif
 
11:51 AM
@DavidCarlisle Rabbit season. :)
 
@Sebastiano I tried to tell you earlier as well, there is little point in doing very minor edits like your last one (tex.stackexchange.com/posts/31045/revisions) on old questions. Don't edit just for the sake of editing. Having >2000 points gives you the power to edit, but try to be a bit more careful with how you use that power.
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@Sebastiano Sorry to bother you again. First congratulations to being able to edit post without others having to approve your edits! But something like this really necessary: tex.stackexchange.com/posts/31045/revisions It even slightly changes the question, as the last phrase is now part of the note.
 
12:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle Here is a description with pictures tex.stackexchange.com/q/357636/4357
 
@JoeCorneli no usable code though. what is a contable?
 
Ask editors of "Artificial Intelligence" I guess
I've seen similar problems arising in standard LaTeX but it would take some time to assemble a real MWE
So that question is a placeholder for now
 
@JoeCorneli sorry but there isn't enough there to even guess an answer.
 
Fair enough - I'll work on a standard MWE mock up when I have a bit of time
thanks
 
@Sebastiano the edit to this one is also not right tex.stackexchange.com/questions/333382/… you have changed the display of the error message from the error message as printed by TeX to something in one line, which means that you can't read it without scrolling the text box and it no longer matches the actual tex error.
 
12:59 PM
@Sebastiano Please, read the following Meta question: it gives some hints about when and how editing. You're not compelled to follow the hints, of course.
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Q: When is (and isn't) it acceptable to edit?

Juan A. NavarroUpdate: Sort of ironically, this question has been left unedited for a while, even when there seemed to be some consensus in the answers below of the kinds of edits that are acceptable and those that are not. So I'll do my best to update it with what seems to have been the consensus in the end. A...

 
 
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3:21 PM
isn't there a package on CTAN making it easy to store stuff in the aux and reuse it on the next run? Could be used to make homemade backreferences for stuff
 
@daleif \def\foo{\immediate\write\@auxout} ?
 
@DavidCarlisle you still have to define the macros that are written to the aux and write macros to retrieve the data. I thought there was already a package for this. perhaps zref could just be used since this is all automated stuff
 
@daleif Yes, zref is a good idea here, I think
 
hi
 
@Nick Aloha!
 
3:39 PM
@daleif normally I don't write macros to retrieve, I just write a def so if you use \def\foo#1#2{\immediate\write\@auxout{\gdef\string#1{#2}}} then if you go \foo\zzz{hello} the next run \zzz will be defined to be hello from the start.
 
@DavidCarlisle ahh, yes of course. This is kinda a back ref list for some urls in a doc, so zref probably has a lot of useful macros
 
hi @PauloCereda
Hey guys, I've been in this room a long time ago, I'm unsure if any of you remember me but I have a favor to ask of you. A pretty big one.
I'm going to prepare a workshop on LaTeX but I'm not formally certified to teach the course. Could one of you, who is certified in LaTeX, please draft a letter which says I'm competent to deliver this workshop.
... or is that just too much to ask for?
 
@Nick sorry, pal. Definitely too much to ask.
Besides, who's the real competent bloke to say something about LaTeX? :) Only a few. :)
 
3:55 PM
@PauloCereda Anyone who's attended a workshop and confident enough to deliver a tutorial is a competent bloke, I'd say. I just need anyone to say that I'm able to do it, and then I'll be able to do it. It's more of a letter of reccomendation.
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Q: Get certified in TeX/LaTeX

digital-InkI was wondering if there are any ways to get certified in TeX/LaTeX? This would be useful, e.g. for providing a way of quantifying the expertise someone has with TeX, LaTeX or other TeX flavors.

I didn't find that useful.
 
@Nick Which is better, \def\foo{bar}, \edef\foo{bar}, \def\foo=bar ?
 
@PauloCereda I'd use the first one. I don't care which one is the best as long as it works and renders what I need.
Plus, I'm only teaching the basics.
 
@Nick You said anyone who attended the workshop is a competent bloke. :)
@Nick cargo programming.
Anyway, good luck!
 
@PauloCereda Yeah, I'll prolly copy paste online tutorials word for word in my slides. Honestly, there are better resources out there than anything I can write up.
@PauloCereda Thank you :)
 
@Nick Check the UK-TUG tutorials, they are great.
 
4:00 PM
@PauloCereda \newcommand\foo{bar}?
 
@TorbjørnT. \NewDocumentCommand{\foo}{bar} :)
 
@PauloCereda Nice. Thanks. It's interesting.
 
@TorbjørnT. wait for @DavidCarlisle to come up with a million of variants. :)
 
@PauloCereda \cs_new:Npn\foo{bar} (possibly)
@PauloCereda (setq foo bar)
 
@TorbjørnT.: ^^ this bloke should be the TUG president
@DavidCarlisle My other car is a cdr thingy. :)
 
4:19 PM
I've cleared it with my department. All they need is a letter of recommendation from any experienced tex/latex user. And they'll let me issue certificates to students who attend my workshop.
 
cfr
4:42 PM
@PauloCereda Why is there a red dragon on the flag? Something Arthurian?
 
@cfr I cannot remember the whole story, it's about Arthur, Merlin and some red dragon that's buried under the Snowdon mountain.
 
5:28 PM
Listening to Irish songs is wonderful
 
@PauloCereda Hallo from Sicily (Italy)
 
@Sebastiano Ciao!
 
@TorbjørnT. @samcarter @egreg @DavidCarlisle Thank you so much for your comments and your indications. Tell me what I must do exactly. I ask with a lot of courtesy to write to me in a very simple English. With such honesty many times I do not understand. How should I change old post and what criterion?
@PauloCereda Can I have an explanation, please?
 
@Sebastiano From me? Sorry, pal. I am not following the current events.
 
@PauloCereda I just wanted to know if this was created with Asympote. If you can not now do not worry
 
5:45 PM
@Sebastiano I really don't know, sorry.
 
@PauloCereda don't be worry. thanks a lot lot
 
@Sebastiano don't edit closed posts, don't edit old posts unless they are really wrong. and don't change the meaning of posts when you edit.
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@DavidCarlisle I understand and I obey
 
@Sebastiano every time you edit a post it brings that question on to the home page of the site, which for a years old question that is already closed makes no sense.
 
Ok. I have understood, now.
i.stack.imgur.com/1cowr.png. @DavidCarlisle sorry, this image how is you drew?
I am following a relativistic electrodynamics refresher course and I would like to draw the figures contained in the link I reported
@ChristianHupfer Hola' Christian. Good afternoon
 
5:58 PM
@Sebastiano Good evening rather ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Christian Have you seen my images?
 
@JosephWright There is a bug in xelatex which leads to faulty italic correction when opentype text fonts are used in math. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/132835/…. The problem is that with the new format "faulty" fonts are used by default with beamer:
\documentclass{beamer}

%\AtBeginDocument{%
%      \DeclareSymbolFont{pureletters}{T1}{lmss}{\mddefault}{it}%
%      }

\begin{document}

\begin{frame}
\[f(x)\]
\end{frame}

\end{document}
 
@Sebastiano Yes. Apparently solenoids and electrial fields of moving charges ...
 
@ChristianHupfer How they are drawn?
@UlrikeFischer Good evening Fscher
 
6:02 PM
@Sebastiano I can't answer this question. Looks like a pstricks picture for the solenoid flux density calculation
 
@egreg Ciao, and excuse me very much for my bad edit :-(.
 
@Sebastiano Great that you understood this, but why are you again editing old post, i.e. tex.stackexchange.com/posts/314213/revisions ?
 
I'm following in Catania a Foundations of Modern Physics refresher course and are already in a tailspin. I wish I will write notes in LaTeX and I was curious to see how the images were created.
@samcarter What should I change? :-( I changed to a year ago
 
@Sebastiano Don't edit post which are currently not active, i.e., on front page of this site, unless you have a good reason for it.
 
@samcarter I have seen that for to obtain the silver badge I must edit 100 posts that were inactive for 6 months.
 
6:11 PM
@Sebastiano Well, is that your intention?
 
@Sebastiano And badge hunting is not a good excuse for hiding current questions of users in need of help, amongst your edited ones.
 
@samcarter At least appreciate my sincerity
@ChristianHupfer to write a little notes of Physics with very nice images
 
@Sebastiano The only thing I appreciate is, that today we got a reaction from you, not like for the dozen or so comments in the past, which tried to tell you the same things.
 
@samcarter The problem that I do so many things and then I forget now what I am told.
@samcarter i.stack.imgur.com/iQYtp.png I understood that I should not change old questions, change the meaning of the question and if there is a real need to change it. But for the curious badge what am I to do? I not even know how it got to 2/5.
Now I have to go, the next, Best regards to everybody
sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 
@Sebastiano Getting a badge takes time. You have to be patient. Some badges are near impossible to get. And around here, a badge is worth nothing.
@Sebastiano Check out how many of the regulars here have a curious badge.
@Sebastiano The archeologist badge was awarded just 9 times in total, within about six or seven years?. Copy editor 40 times.
 
6:30 PM
@Sebastiano No, I meant the badge hunting ...
 
@Sebastiano apparently not :(
 
7:20 PM
@Johannes_B @DavidCarlisle and @egreg failed miserably to get the Curious Badge yet ;-)
Something that I have in mind very often here too when I read some questions (or answers)
WHAT??????????????????????????? — gsamaras 10 mins ago
 
I'm thinking of writing another FAQ on "how to enumerate items"...
...dealing with formatting, change the enumeration style, change the layout, different packages that are involved with that, etc.
We seem to get a lot of questions that deal with that, with the usual suggested solutions being enumitem and/or enumerate.
 
7:52 PM
@ChristianHupfer that one looks a bit hard, I'm working towards the Student badge, although I think @egreg is likely to get there before me.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll show you the question button ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer where should I look for this button ^^ ?
 
@DavidCarlisle :D
 
8:17 PM
This seems like a bug in datetime2 to me:
Why is \DTMgermanmonthname defined, but not \DTMgermanMonthname?
Somewhat confirmed:
There's a bug in the first letter upper case style. I'll get it fixed. — Nicola Talbot 1 min ago
 
@JosephWright I got half way through the Alice talk last night but fell asleep:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
 
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10:27 PM
@Johannes_B Would you like at some time to take another look on latex.org occasionally? For 10 days, I'm in a pretty rough yard with just satellite Internet.
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Huh. The buried under Snowden bit is new to me. I always thought it must be linked to the Pendragon standard. (Which is still Arthur/Merlin.) But I don't know where I have this idea from.
 
@UlrikeFischer Natürlich weiß ich alles über diese Fremdsprachen
 
10:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle babelfish has vays and means to make you tolk ;-)
 
cfr
@PauloCereda There are also the UK TUG workshop materials and my derived/extended version of same. (Only the first part of mine are published so far. The rest are to follow.)
 
and today's spot-the-difference competition is .....
\documentclass{article}

\makeatletter
\def\verbatim@font{\normalfont}
\makeatother

\begin{document}

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious supercalifragilisticexpialidocious supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

\begin{verbatim}
\end{verbatim}

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious supercalifragilisticexpialidocious supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

\end{document}
 
@DavidCarlisle neat ;-), \hyphenchar\font\m@ne
 
@UlrikeFischer I was looking at adding a \language\no@hyphenation setting for \verb (as discussed in fontspec github and here) and just came across this in verbatim:-) It's only been wrong for 17 years, not since the start, so that's OK, we can fix it before anyone notices.
 
10:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle Very neat!
 
@egreg it's not even one of my features
 
@DavidCarlisle Who's to blame?
 
@egreg I'm far too polite to mention who's on line 1575 of changes.txt
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle is his name "Typo Corrected"?
 1575
 1576     * ltx3info.tex: Typo corrected.
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/generic/enctex/changes.txt
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/generic/mfpic/changes.txt
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/generic/ofs/changes.txt
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/latex/amsmath/changes.txt
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/latex/arabtex/changes.txt
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/latex/base/changes.txt
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/latex/cyrillic/changes.txt
/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/doc/latex/geometry/changes.txt
@DavidCarlisle So which one? :-)
 
@yo' the one with this at the top
#########################
# 2017/05/01 Release
#########################


2017-03-08 David Carlisle <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>

* ltclass.dtx, latexrelease.ins: support yyyy-mm-dd format
in addition to yyyy/mm/dd

2017-03-07 David Carlisle <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>

* ltluatex.dtx: remove 2017-01-20 hack for luaotfload issue
as no longer needed.

2017-02-24 David Carlisle <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>

* ltoutenc.dtx: \DeclareTextCompositeCommand check that
the accent command has been declared.
 
yo'
11:06 PM
@DavidCarlisle ah that's the wrong ordering :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle In my version it is on line 1555 and it is not Frank;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Apparently somebody forgot that \hyphenchar is an “intimate assignment”.
 
yo'
@egreg ---somebody--- somebody
 
11:35 PM
@yo' I'll never learn. xxx
 
yo'
@egreg well, there's an idiom about a dog and new tricks, the problem is that AFAIK, you're not a dog but a green square.
@egreg btw, are you coming to Bachotek?
 
@yo' No, unfortunately.
 
yo'
@egreg oh no! :-( I was about to offer you a car ride from Prague...
 
@yo' :(
 

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