TeX, LaTeX and Friends

7:35 AM

2

@AGoldMan three palindromes and not a comma misplaced, congratulations

2

8:46 AM

@DavidCarlisle someone gave me write permission on a certain repository. The project is doomed now. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@hpekristiansen The answer is not very good as it (and neither the question) doesn't contain a complete example but the general idea to create an unspecific plot by removing the numbers and the ticks from a specific one is imho correct and is how I would do it too.

On the first day of Christmas, my true love sent to me a duck with a silly hat.

More to come tomorrow. :)

9:08 AM

@PauloCereda I'm sure he has confidence that you will not be distracted until you have finished your thesis. So we are safe for years yet.

@DavidCarlisle ooh that's very mean of you :)

@PauloCereda \mathrm{December} \neq \mathrm{Christmas}

$ git remove .
$ git commit -m "Let's switch back to Word"
$ git push

@DavidCarlisle oh

@PauloCereda I recognise one of @egreg's commits

@DavidCarlisle :D

9:16 AM

Hi, i'm just faced with some down-voters. someone don't like my eight old answers and questions ... all was happen in 1/4 of hour :-(

@Zarko oh no

I suspect they are ostriches

Ostriches are mean

@Zarko I can't be sure at the moment, but the pattern looks like one that will be picked up by the 'back end'

@PauloCereda, is not very big deal, but t is not nice

@Zarko I understand. :(

@JosephWright I giggled a bit because I remembered the Ostrich algorithm in Operating Systems. :)

Ostrich algorithm

In computer science, the ostrich algorithm is a strategy of ignoring potential problems on the basis that they may be exceedingly rare. It is named for the ostrich effect which is defined as "to stick one's head in the sand and pretend there is no problem." It is used when it is more cost-effective to allow the problem to occur than to attempt its prevention. == Use with deadlocks == This approach may be used in dealing with deadlocks in concurrent programming if they are believed to be very rare and the cost of detection or prevention is high. For example, if each PC deadlocks once per 10 years...

@JosephWright, jesterday i ask here about tablenum. where i can find some more description about options which can be used with it?

Ulrike Fischer

9:21 AM

@PauloCereda ^^^^ (not sand here ..)

@Zarko It's the same as anything in siunitx: options exactly as for an S column

@UlrikeFischer ooh

@PauloCereda, thanks for explanation. and thank to @UlrikeFischer for ilustration :-)

@Zarko <3

@Zarko: I have a lot of spare votes, I can cancel the downvotes.

@PauloCereda, you are so nice person! i admire your ducks! thank you very much!

@JosephWright, see my answer for tex.stackexchange.com/questions/403880/…, there i try to align number with comparator. and when i try to add option used in S column i receive error "no space reserved for comparator on line ...".

9:32 AM

@Zarko I'd need a short example to help: that question has pretty complex tables set up (grr, \multirow)

@JosephWright, i will write an question on tex.se with simplified version of my observation. so far i didn't use \tablenum but now i found it very usable. thank you

by

@Zarko <3

9:51 AM

@PauloCereda you'll get yourself banned again

@DavidCarlisle oh

4:24 PM

@JosephWright: tex.stackexchange.com/a/404072/3094 could you please convert this answer to a comment?

@JosephWright: you are fast

5:14 PM

Quack!

CarLaTeX

5:27 PM

@PauloCereda Qua qua qua! After a week passed fighting with Word documents, thank God it's Friday!

6:05 PM

Hi TeX SE, I am considering the possibility of converting a template to LaTeX3. A few questions regarding this conversion: (1) is this a good idea at all since it's beta (2) besides the obvious resources on texdoc, what other books are a good read for getting the template up and running? I'm thinking of something comprehensive like the TeXbook for plain tex

@user55789 What would be the main motivation for such conversion?

@PauloCereda Besides it being a nice challenge, I think that the readability and usability of expl3 is just way better, also the modules are sometimes more flexible if I decide to change something in the future

@user55789 I see. :) If your code is already good, try a parallel migration.

I'm doing it for a friend so I haven't seen the code yet and thus don't know the damage. I do know, however, that he does have a few points on which to improve to begin with. Anyway, any pitfalls I should consider in that suggestion? Have you done something similar before? And I'm assuming your answer to question (1) is yes ? :P

@user55789 I wouldn't say it's beta, but some things might change in the near future. :)

Or future of any length. :)

6:43 PM

@user55789 What do you mean by a template? At a class level, there are lots of open LaTeX3 questions. If you are talking about package code, you should be fine.

@PauloCereda At that point it's a question of the semantics and definitions... I cannot read minds, so I have to assume that not yet all initial goals are met, thus my, perhaps loose, usage of beta

@JosephWright The rough idea is that people can use the template, and that in the final procedure the template will be converted with logo's etc into something that is uploaded to a website. One thing I suppose is a good idea is to make sure people cannot extract vectorized graphics and characters from the LaTeX output. I'm not sure if expl3 supports this but I am going to implement it regardless..

I suppose it can be called a class...

At present the template is built as a class on top of the article LaTeX standard class, but it's not much different from it

6:58 PM

@user55789 as Joseph said it really depends what you want to do. the "expl3" programming layer is a fairly stable and complete programming language for low level manipulation and typesetting tasks and is used in packages that people use in production every day (notably siunitx and fontspec) eventually the latex3 project will have new class level design interface for specifying formatting of sections, tables of contents etc,

@user55789 but that isn't "beta" it just isn't there at all in the distributed files. So for implementing a class file based on say \LoadClass{article} expl3 may not help a lot

@DavidCarlisle but similarly for book;)?

but yes I get the point... and the question of course is how many distros these days have expl3 on their local drive and to what extent its reasonable to expect that they have

@user55789 all of them have expl3, it's in texlive and miktex so everyone has it unless they have chosen not to install it

@user55789 certainly anyone using lualatex or xelatex will be using fontspec (so have expl3)

So it's only good for building a class from the ground up?

Only.. ahem... mostly?

7:15 PM

@user55789 not necessarily but perhaps, or at least, to build a class that works with 2e you're going to need some mixture of styles you can't just do it in the "new" way as that doesn't exist (or rather none of the new ways are distributed for general use or necessarily form the basis of an eventual document design layer)

Define "works with 2e"? As in compatibility with packages? Or with 2e macros in general?

@user55789 both take section headings for example it might be nice of a document class could use some high level declarative syntax to express the layout of the heading and the interaction with table of contents or page headings etc, but that declaritive layer isn't there so ... you probably end up using \@startsection

@user55789 if you don't use \@startsection and write something "from scratch" in expl3 you will need to emulate a lot of its internals if you want existing latex2e constructs (such as lists and page styles) to "know" that a section heading is there.

there was a talk at tug2015 on writing a document class using expl3 It's probably available (@yo' <----)

Nice, that would be very helpful yes

and I get the problem

One could theoretically \let a lot of existing LaTeX2e internals in the LaTeX3 syntax... essentially only a semantic layer but even that is profit in my eyes

@user55789 tug.org/TUGboat/tb36-2/tb113hejda.pdf

@user55789 github.com/tohecz/ctuthesis/blob/master/ctuthesis.cls