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Anonymous

03:29

@PauloCereda It's just a kind of monologous application of self-reference in a definition ... --- I actually just wanted to ask for a free or open source video screen capturer for Windows, which could capture the computer's screen output in High quality.

Anonymous

03:47

@PauloCereda As that question was a little bit off-topic (actually: a lot), I started a monologous defence for items that are off-topic.

Anonymous

--- Does anybody know if it was possible to "live-code" with Tex, instead of always having to "compile". I mean "live-coding" as in e.g. the (fluxus) programming environment? --- If it is not possible currently, could it be adapted to create the possibility?

Torbjørn T.

06:32

@VincentVerheyen Is this what you mean? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/633/…

@VincentVerheyen I don't see why you bothered with the monologue, just ask ... There is a list of screencasting software at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_screencasting_software, there are some open source programs available for Windows listed there, so you could have a look at those.

wilx

I wonder, is there like a module for Beamer presentations that would help with setting up size and font and stuff, if you know the size of the white screen it will be shown on and the distance of the farthest seat? :)

yo'

08:50

@VincentVerheyen not "really", only "for something and not reliably"

I own 14 airplanes! Yay! (btw, Aviation has some beautiful design)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Yay!

yo'

@PauloCereda I really love the sharp colours

Johannes_B

09:10

@ChristianHupfer @yo' Topics like that confuse me deeply. latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=27499

yo'

09:20

@Johannes_B WTF?!

Johannes_B

@yo' I think i proposed the very same solution twice, but it only worked the second time. Or am i wrong?

Torbjørn T.

@Johannes_B No, he probably didn't notice the "after classicthesis" part the first time.

Johannes_B

@TorbjørnT. Possible. Is it not visible enough?

Torbjørn T.

@Johannes_B Not a matter of being visible, it's a matter of people reading quickly, and not the whole post, properly. (Something I've been guilty of myself, many times.)

Paulo Cereda

10:16

@Johannes: you have a PM. :)

wilx

11:33

This page has some related info about font size and viewing distance: proavschool.com/display-viewing-calculations-101

> There are some fonts that don’t span their full point height which can be a trap(...)

David Carlisle

12:09

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Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle yay

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I've been 10 short all morning and no one voted for me (I was afraid someone would do something silly like accept an answer and push me past:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh :)

naphaneal

13:58

a palindrome...

Paulo Cereda

14:13

Quack!

yo'

14:47

@naphaneal that's the only thing rep is goof for: collecting palindromes. Actually, the true site rep is the number of palindromes you managed to screenshot and post in the chat.

Anonymous

15:41

@TorbjørnT. Thanks a lot, that is what I meant. interesting!

Joseph Wright

Je suis une baguette

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Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright Mon dieu!

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer :-)

@ChristianHupfer Sitting in Gare du Nord in Paris, waiting for the Eurostar

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright Ah, I thought you've converted to be French already, after the Brexit ;-)

barbara beeton

16:35

@JosephWright -- you've got email; would like response asap.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright What's an Eurostar?

egreg

@PauloCereda A submarine train

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh my!

egreg

@PauloCereda Since the hovercrafts from Calais to Dover were always full of eels, they decided to dig a tunnel.

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Paulo Cereda

@egreg Ah! :)

Joseph Wright

17:09

@egreg s/hovercrafts/hovercraft/g

egreg

@JosephWright Funny!

@JosephWright Do you consider them like fish?

Joseph Wright

@egreg Plural of hovercraft is hovercraft, what can I say

@egreg I don't eat either, if that is what you mean

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright What if we have two hovercrafts full of sheeps and fishes? :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Ah, well you can have 'fishes'

egreg

@PauloCereda English grammar teachers always have a stick with them

Paulo Cereda

17:12

@JosephWright o.O

@egreg Wait for @AlanMunn to slap us around a bit with a large trout. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda By the way, I'm planning for tomorrow's ice cream

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh where?

egreg

@PauloCereda Perhaps they'll even be two!

@PauloCereda Dolomites

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh!

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Yes, but 'fishes' means different species of fish I think. I don't think you can say "I ate two fishes for lunch"

Paulo Cereda

17:20

@AlanMunn Of course not, he had chips and fishes. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda My mother once hit my father on the head with a frozen trout! She was kidding around and didn't quite realize how hard a frozen fish actually was. :D

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Oh my!

@egreg: do you use Z shell?

egreg

@PauloCereda No. Should I?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Actually, no. :) I had a cool configuration to recommend. :)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn True, but it's not out-and-out wrong in the way 'sheeps' is

Paulo Cereda

17:28

@JosephWright sheeps like cheeses!

I am getting gooder at Englisch. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda 'cheeses' is like 'fishes': fine if you are talking about different 'species'

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Yes that's true. Not quite sure why, though.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh

wilx

17:41

Is it possible to \usepackage before \documentclass?

Joseph Wright

@wilx \RequirePackage

wilx

@JosephWright Ah,cool.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: have you ever thought of including a prefix in every message in the LaTeX-L list? :)

Alan Munn

@wilx Not sure how enlightening this is, but:

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Q: What's the difference between \RequirePackage and \usepackage?

I understand that "the convention is to use \RequirePackage in a package or class and \usepackage in a document", but apart from that, is there any practical difference between the two commands? (I am thinking for example that it could be the case that \RequirePackage is a "stronger" command and...

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Huh?

Paulo Cereda

17:46

@JosephWright I meant suject. :) Javier just sent an email, I thought of [latex-l] <subject>.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I'd have to ask the more senior team members: I don't control the list server

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Oh no worries, it was just a question. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda it seems to reference a message he sent to luatex list but I don't see anything there?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle hm indeed

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda found it: mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/dev-luatex/2016-July/thread.html

Johannes_B

19:14

@PauloCereda PM?

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Go to LC

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda :-) I didn't notice.

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B :D

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda Thunderbird tells me that my password for my hotmail account is invalid. I just gave microsoft my new mail address, but still i cannot change the password. And it wasvalid before. Don't know what's going on.

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Oh my!

Anonymous

20:45

Can you get a output file from Tex in which the background of the paper is not white, nor any other colour; but completely transparent? ---- Edit: OK, I guess I should find my answer here tex.stackexchange.com/questions/35690/…

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen that would normally be the default

Anonymous

@DavidCarlisle The default? How so? To me, it always looks white? The "paper"?

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen print the pdf on blue paper,and it'll be blue, it doesn't have a white background specified

Anonymous

@DavidCarlisle Thanks. I didn't think of that. I am actually referring to the rendered output on a computer screen.

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen well that's a feature of the pdf renderer, i don't know of one that will render the pdf and let you see behind the rendering application window

Anonymous

20:49

@DavidCarlisle Ok. Got it, thanks. It seems image editing "renderers" like Photoshop and brothers should do the trick.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle LOL

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda actually I meant that to be a serious comment:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I know, it so happens I have some blue and green paper sheets around. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda don't waste them, specify \pagecolor{white} in all your documents and you'll be able to use up the stock of colour paper printing slightly soggy ink saturated black on white documents.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle this is also a serious comment, right? :)

David Carlisle

20:57

@PauloCereda all my comments are serious

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Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda this one, for example:

Jan 12 at 12:15, by David Carlisle

@PauloCereda finished your thesis?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no!

Joseph Wright

Back in the UK for ~24h

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Welcome back!

Christian Hupfer

21:04

@PauloCereda You're writing a thesis? ;-)

yo'

@ChristianHupfer that starts to be a legend :)

Christian Hupfer

@yo' @PauloCereda should take care of any copyright for a scenario/screenplay just in case Hollywoods wants to make a movie of this legend ;-)

egreg

@ChristianHupfer ”The Bourne thesis”

Christian Hupfer

@egreg "Interview with a ~~vampire~~ duck"

egreg

@ChristianHupfer ”Young Duckenstein”

Christian Hupfer

21:17

@egreg "Lost in Procrastination" ;-)

egreg

@ChristianHupfer “Les liaisons duckereuses”

Christian Hupfer

@egreg "Reservoir Ducks" ;-)

egreg

@ChristianHupfer Let's stop or @PauloCereda will have too many movies to watch and won't work at his thesis. By the way, does he?

Christian Hupfer

@egreg There are some rumours he's working on it

egreg

@ChristianHupfer A hoax, most certainly

Christian Hupfer

21:29

@egreg vapour ware, most likely @PauloCereda ;-)

David Carlisle

21:54

duckstop.stanford.edu/writing-thesis-winter

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@PauloCereda ^^

Anonymous

\documentclass[a4paper,11pt]{article} works but \documentclass[a4paper,11.5pt]{article} doesn't?

egreg

@VincentVerheyen The size options for article are just 10pt (default), 11pt and 12pt

Anonymous

@egreg Any other way to get x.5pt?

Anonymous

It seems "\documentclass[fontsize=11.5pt]{scrartcl}"

yo'

@VincentVerheyen why that?!

Anonymous

22:08

@yo' Just fiddling around with some numbers printed on music interval symbolizations. -- I need an exact size of numbers.

egreg

@VincentVerheyen scrartcl indeed supports more sizes, but what should be the reason?

Anonymous

@egreg Need some accurateness, for some mathematics representation.

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen you can have any size font you like, the document class options are for setting up other things, heading sizes white space around displays etc.

egreg

@VincentVerheyen Not sure what that means.

yo'

Try {\fontsize{11.789}{13}\selectfont #1} or whatever, you don't need to fiddle with the main document font size to get something to fit somewhere.

Anonymous

22:11

@egreg Here you can see what I'm doing (just printing those numbers, which should exactly fit the boxes, in a certain way) i.sstatic.net/9Aue2.jpg

Anonymous

@yo' Thanks, but the document is "small": I only need 1 font-size, in this case; see i.sstatic.net/9Aue2.jpg

yo'

@VincentVerheyen if you don't leave any padding, the numbers are going to be quite unwearable, but that's up to you :)

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen but such a diagram isn't really related to the documentclass option

yo'

@DavidCarlisle @Vin What David says. Just enclose the whole block into a group with something like \fontsize{11.789}{13}\selectfont at the beginning. That's all.

Anonymous

@DavidCarlisle True. But the document I'm creating is really all about the numbers in the image; so any way would be a good way I guess.

Anonymous

22:13

@yo' Ok. Will do. Thanks to you both.

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen no: some ways are bad ways (and some ways don't work at all, so are not good or bad, \documentclass[5.7pt]{article} for example....)

Anonymous

@DavidCarlisle Ok. Hence I used scratcl.

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen that's still the wrong way, the documentclass option is not about setting a font size, even there.

Anonymous

@DavidCarlisle Ok. Thanks and agreed. I see what you mean.

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen but you don't really want a font size at all, as the height of the digit isn't really tied to the nominal font size. If you want 12 to match the height of a coloured 6pt rectangle do \resizebox{!}{6pt}{12} and it will be 6pt tall whatever font size you are using

Anonymous

22:19

@DavidCarlisle Can't issue that once, for all text (read: every character) in the document?

yo'

@VincentVerheyen you can, it takes some more code.

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen isn't the text all laid out in a grid anyway? In the images you have shown you don't have any free form text do you?

Anonymous

@DavidCarlisle The left side of the image (where all the lines and colours are) is simply a pixel file which is just pasted inside a Tex document. The right-hand side (all the numbers) are created in Tex. So, all those digits are "free-form", I suppose?

Anonymous

:30907760 For that, I use kind of a messy code:

50\par\vspace{-3pt}
\makestack{10pt}{49}{46}\par\vspace{1pt}
45\par\vspace{5pt}
\makestack{10pt}{44}{43}\par\vspace{1pt}
42\par\vspace{5pt}
\makestack{10pt}{41}{39}\par\vspace{1pt}
38\par\vspace{5pt}

which is adapted from this elegant answer: http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/318481/67761.

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen well exactly each number is individually positioned, so the command doing the positioning could scale if you wanted.

Anonymous

22:27

@DavidCarlisle You mean using "\resizebox{!}{6pt}{...}"?

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen since your numbers are not really generated it would havebeen easier just to use a picture environment and not use all those vspace]

@VincentVerheyen yes

Anonymous

@DavidCarlisle What do you mean with "a picture environment" please?

yo'

@VincentVerheyen Seen any LaTeX manual?

David Carlisle

@VincentVerheyen standard latex: \begin{picture}(10,200) \put(0,0){10}\put{0,20){37}\put{0,35}{xx}... you can put text at arbitrary coordinates

yo'

@DavidCarlisle and not only text: put(0,20){\color{blue}\rule{5pt}{7pt}}

David Carlisle

22:30

@yo' or even put(0,20){\color{blue}\resizebox....}

yo'

@DavidCarlisle :)

Anonymous

@DavidCarlisle Well, maybe. But I think it wouldn't have been easier. --- At least, I kind of tried (well, borrowing some elegant code which I didn't create) to automate the number-generating ... Of course I didn't succeed, but somebody else might in the future. There is a possibility that I would need further generating of similar numbers in similar ways.

David Carlisle

@yo' you could give the example of advanced aeronautical design using picture environment

yo'

@DavidCarlisle I'm not @Paulo

David Carlisle

@yo' clearly not, you finished your thesis.

yo'

22:33

@DavidCarlisle was listing through it showing someone how beautiful Palatino is in combination with Palatino Sans and Euler

Anonymous

Maybe 1 day there the percentage of people alive compared to the percentage of people ever lived will be greater than 1. Then, also, there would be more people living than that there are dead. It would somehow be a triumph over dead, right?

Paulo Cereda

22:51

@VincentVerheyen I don't know, I will be dead.

Anonymous

@PauloCereda What if it could happen to ducks in your lifetime?

Paulo Cereda

@VincentVerheyen lifespan of a duck is 20 years, so I am a bit lucky right now. :)

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