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12:42 AM
@ChristianHupfer I will flag this message as highly offensive. :)
 
@PauloCereda Quack! And say no more!
 
@ChristianHupfer Quack! :)
 
It's late here, I should sleep
 
 
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7:40 AM
I am trying to get biblatex print out full author name at first mentioning. I found tex.stackexchange.com/a/46469/36836. But it fails to compile for me. Does it work for anyone here, or do you know another solution?
 
@Daniel There have been some significant changes to biblatex in the last few months, and neither biblatex-dw nor the answer were updated. Better ask a new question linking to the older one.
 
8:26 AM
Thanks! I hope it will not just be marked as a duplicate.
 
@DavidCarlisle If you do the patch level, make sure you use a local install of l3build: I've got to do a CTAN update for the fix re. typesetting documentation/getting hyperlinks right
 
@JosephWright oops.. better check
 
@DavidCarlisle Look at index of source2e
 
Good Morning.
 
@DavidCarlisle I want to do the PDF testing stuff then will release: I'll aim to do that this week
 
8:37 AM
@JosephWright links seem to work
 
I wonder, do any of you guys use the CSL YAML for citations database? I am wondering how to build an entry for the Postdam 1945 conference papers.
 
@DavidCarlisle Cool
 
@JosephWright build ctan failed in tools just fixing:-) (pagesize special churn)
 
@JosephWright Is that correct and appropriate? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/314606/…
 
@Johannes_B Your call: legal stuff is tricky!
 
8:48 AM
@JosephWright I say, better not use it and be save. The author of the repo probably wants people to use it.
Is there any place where i can read up on all this licensing stuff?
 
@Johannes_B You are likely right about the latter point
@Johannes_B It's all rather complex. GNU have an overview of licenses but I'm not sure if that starts from the basics
@Johannes_B Starting point is copyright: this exists automatically and without a license you can't just use someone else's material
@Johannes_B Creative Commons might cover this
 
@JosephWright Thank you, i'll have a look later on.
 
 
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9:55 AM
keeping ctan busy, just updated latex-base, latex-tools, latex-graphics, pdftex-def, luatex-def, graphics-cfg and luatex85
@JosephWright phew I wonder if I get them all past ctan checks with no errors:-)
 
10:14 AM
@DavidCarlisle Should do provided you've stepped the changes dates
 
@JosephWright ... and put the right dates into the web form and remember whether I'm me or me and you or l3 team or ho-tex:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle They normally spot that and tidy up :-)
@egreg Any clue back on what went on with the magyar stuff?
 
@JosephWright I got a mail from Rainer, who told that the site where magyar.ldf is mirrored from was apparently hacked.
 
@egreg I guessed it must be one of the packages they mirror on to ctan, I guess they will be even less keen to do that in future
 
@egreg Ah, so not an upload then
@DavidCarlisle I thought they'd more-or-less cut that out
 
10:27 AM
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle “I reinstated the last good copy on CTAN and stopped mirroring for macros/latex/contrib/babel-contrib/hungarian
 
@JosephWright for new ones I think yes, but for old ones I think it still works (they just stopped hyperref mirror when we moved it to github)
 
@DavidCarlisle Given the checks on uploads even from people with a good track-record, I'm surprised they are allowing mirroring at all!
 
@JosephWright they probably won't now...
 
11:10 AM
@ChristianHupfer so slow :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, I added the nice (cough...) \fboxes ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer although oddly four fbox in the source make three boxes in the image!
 
@DavidCarlisle True, I killed the last one for the screen shot -- it was just a repeat of the first one
 
@ChristianHupfer although the different spacing between \bm and \boldmath is clearer in my layout, even without the boxes
 
@DavidCarlisle By blasting up the screen shot, yes
 
11:17 AM
@ChristianHupfer and putting them adjacent
 
12:07 PM
It is so cold in here! I am typing with gloves and wearing a hood.
 
@PauloCereda a duck with gloves and a hood?
 
@PauloCereda Oh !
 
@RomainPicot :)
 
@PauloCereda A duck wearing a hat with a duck on top and an umbrella? ;-)
 
12:11 PM
@ChristianHupfer Google never ceases to amaze me. :)
 
1:08 PM
@JosephWright nope:-)
 
1:20 PM
@DavidCarlisle What's up
 
1:37 PM
@JosephWright same as last time actually I should know better (manfred just mailed me I notice:-) build ctan doesn't do make clean first :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, no, it doesn't
@DavidCarlisle I could alter that but it's risky
 
@JosephWright ooh do it, will be fun. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle We could list out all of the files to include in the build.lua scripts: that way you only get exactly what you ask for, at the cost you have to do all of the work by hand (the globs are really just there for the common case)
@DavidCarlisle I always do texlua build.lua clean and svn status (and tidy up) before building for CTAN, so I don't notice this
 
@JosephWright yes I see that, what I did by hand (and what i might do in a shell script wrapping l3build as doing it cross platform might be tricky) is do svn update; svn status; then complain if there are any M denoting local modified files and remove any ? files that are not under svn control, then do what build ctan does
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm not a fan of the script deleting anything 'here' except when explicitly asked
@DavidCarlisle It's perhaps worth it for the team stuff: for the common case of one .dtx and one .ins you can easily notice a stray file, but that's harder with the longer file listings
 
1:42 PM
@JosephWright yes in general that's true but make clean asks explictly that in common makefile idioms that and I'm used to make all doing make clean :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll set up the file listings: it will not take all that long and we all get the same situation that way
@DavidCarlisle Altering the scripts avoids you, Frank and me potentially having differing results
 
@JosephWright I almost always have stray files in base as if I edit a dtx file I do tex unpack.ins to check the docstrip guards and pdflatex on the dtx file as a check the doc, (quicker than running l3build on everything-)
@JosephWright true.
 
@DavidCarlisle BTW, what file(s) were 'extra'
 
proc.cls generated by proc.ins exists
nfssfont.tex generated by nfssfont.ins exists
article.cls generated by classes.ins exists
report.cls generated by classes.ins exists
book.cls generated by classes.ins exists
ltluatex.tex generated by format.ins exists
utf8-test.tex generated by inputenc.ins exists
utf8test.tex generated by inputenc.ins exists
docstrip.tex generated by docstrip.ins exists
ltxdoc.cls generated by docstrip.ins exists
slides.cls generated by slides.ins exists
letter.cls generated by letter.ins exists
@JosephWright surprised about the permissions one I thought I'd fixed those in svn but anyway
 
@DavidCarlisle OK, I might list out only those files with extensions where we can also end up with them being generated (there's not much point for example listing all of the .dtx files)
 
1:53 PM
@JosephWright sounds good
 
Is there a resource that shows/teaches how the (La)TeX macroprocessing works? I am cargo-culting most of what I do with LaTeX. I think I need to learn a bit about the basics.
 
@wilx texbook?
 
@DavidCarlisle Online source, if there is such option. Otherwise a book will have to do.
 
@wilx The TeXbook, TeX by Topic, read the questions/answers here ...
 
@wilx tex by topic then
 
1:55 PM
@wilx TbT (TeX by Topic) is available as a PDF: texdoc texbytopic
 
@wilx reading source2e (the latex sources) can't hurt either
 
@DavidCarlisle Erm
 
@JosephWright yes i was wondering if I ought to qualify that a bit.
 
@DavidCarlisle There is certainly a humour element
 
@wilx the latex format source latex.ltx has examples of most tex macro idioms that get used, the documented version, source2e.pdf has documentation but the quality of the documentation is "variable" (@Joseph might be less polite about it:-)
 
1:58 PM
OK, thanks.
 
@DavidCarlisle So only .tex and .cls files are issues?
 
@JosephWright ltluatex.lua should have been I think (but i may have deleted that earlier, or maybe you don't copy *.lua, I could check)
@JosephWright thanks for the update:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle There are no .lua files listed as sources, only for installation, so this should not be an issue
 
@JosephWright ah, right
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll check the rest of 2e later on: for L3 as I always do the upload it's less risky (particularly as I now do my day-to-day in the Git version so only use the SVN one for releases)
@DavidCarlisle Git offers git clean --f which is handy :-)
 
2:23 PM
Englishmen? ^^ :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Doing a sweep over the entire SVN looking for +x
 
@JosephWright so I see, I thought I'd done that before but apparently not
@PauloCereda some of them are I suspect women
 
@DavidCarlisle oh sorry
@JosephWright find -type f -perm +x
:)
 
@PauloCereda svn pd svn:executable --recursive
 
@JosephWright ewww svn :)
 
2:30 PM
@PauloCereda it didn't rain at all in Souldern for the Queens Birthday (that's the good thing about being a monarch, you get two birthdays and can pick the official one to be in the summer when as you show you get good weather)
@PauloCereda that just finds files that are executable locally not ones that svn would make executable if it had a chance
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh and there are two cakes!
 
@PauloCereda tens of thousands of cakes more like
 
@DavidCarlisle why would svn do such nasty thing?
 
@PauloCereda because cygwin made some random guesses, and svn believed it, most likely.
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh :)
@DavidCarlisle as long as I get mine tomorrow, I will be happy. :)
 
2:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle I assume it must be this or perhaps when I add from Windows (though that has no concept of +x so ...)
@DavidCarlisle Everything tided up now :-)
 
@JosephWright yes but svn has to set the unix style permissions somehow, not sure what windows svn does, cygwin itself is usually fairly sensible so long as you use cygwin tools but if you use any native windows applications on the file then permissions are set by some complicated heuristics that aren't really humanly understandable.
 
2:58 PM
@PauloCereda You can easily spot @DavidCarlisle in the line
 
@egreg the flowery dress gives it away
 
@egreg ooh :)
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
3:15 PM
@ChristianHupfer your edit reads as if it is the \mathbf version with different spacing, but it's \boldmath that changes the space.
 
 
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yo'
4:28 PM
Had my last "promotion" -- celebration of getting a diploma. Making it short: many old chaps in colourful pyjamas :)
 
4:53 PM
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Q: Which CV template is it?

KaisI have come accross seeveeze.com website, which is entitled to help you write your resume without prior LaTeX knowledge. When you access and scroll down the main page, you will see a very simple CV template, but I did not find out which template is it ? Could it be Moderncv ? Image :

The web service the OP mentions there stole the CV templates from latextemplates.com/cat/curricula-vitae and charges 3.99€/year for using them.
 
yo'
@HenriMenke crap.
 
@yo' What a bold scam!
 
5:12 PM
@HenriMenke All the material on the template site is CC something, 3 or 4.
 
@Johannes_B »All Templates Licensed Under CC Attribution-NC-SA unless otherwise specified.«
 
@HenriMenke seeveeze.com/tnc.php#tncpdf3 at the very bottom
 
@Johannes_B But that's only the Attribution part. I'm missing NC and SA there.
 
@HenriMenke You know how confused i am, and license is one part of it. Look at the MDT-template. If you would like, you could say the template guy (no, not me) was stealing the template ...
@HenriMenke But since the CV-site just gives a pdf back, i think this applies
Or more generally: Imagine you are writing a book and sell it for ten dollars. Do David and Joseph get a dime for every sold book? A template is just a layout (this time probably, who knows).
 
@Johannes_B we should
 
5:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle You would be rich.
@DavidCarlisle In reality, would tat be for the end result, or for every compilation inbetween?
@DavidCarlisle As you might know, this will be the future ... iTeX dingeling
 
 
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7:31 PM
@Johannes_B Marianne.
 
 
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9:36 PM
Is this OK as a question answer? It is pretty opinion based
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A: Should I keep using LaTeX to do my math homework?

CanageekI've found practice with LaTeX makes you faster. Now, I've got a writing disability, so writing out a good copy that other people can read takes me a long time, but I find with practice LaTeX isn't that slow. Also, the first assignment in it, getting the preamble set up and whatnot is the slowest...

 
9:54 PM
I don't agree with the \left \right bit. ;-)
 
10:05 PM
@Canageek If you want to write less, you can define a macro \pa{..} that takes everything up to { and gives diferent sizes based on the number, \pa0{..}, \pa4{..}, etc.
 
@egreg I said it was ugly ;)
@egreg But it is way faster then figuring out sizes, and gives useful error messages.
And makes it really obvious if you mismatch brackets
 
Couldn't it be developed an \expanded{..} that would do \edef expandably in LuaTeX. I mean, just one \directlua that expands its argument and then leaves the expanded string in there.
 
10:22 PM
@egreg that p error isn't tabu i get same from
\documentclass[12pt]{scrbook}%

\begin{document}


\end{document}
 
@DavidCarlisle Nice!
 
@egreg presumably not many koma luatex users around....
 
@DavidCarlisle It is obviously linked to the disappearance of \pdfpageheight and \pdfpagewidth
 
@egreg yes someone called @UlrikeFischer seems to know something about it (I could help you with the German if you struggle)
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed, \RequirePackage{luatex85} solves it
 
10:33 PM
@egreg brilliant package that, who wrote it?
 
@DavidCarlisle And fixed it several times to better hide features?
 
@egreg stop moaning, anyway after today you should get a shiny new latex and can use your crazy charclasses mackage code to have 2000 charclass allocations and forget all about luatex brokenness
 
@DavidCarlisle The search for new hidden features restarts!
 
@egreg I'm expecting to earn some rep off pagesize special questions....
 
@DavidCarlisle It is quite shocking to discover that LuaTeX 0.95 fixes the error that showed up with LuaTeX 0.80 (apart from introducing the bug with KoMa-Script).
 
10:48 PM
@egreg they do fix quite a lot of bugs (they have a lot of practice....)
 

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