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7:05 AM
@PauloCereda you? Today −55 :-)
 
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7:48 AM
@DavidCarlisle No, the system realized you have too much
 
@egreg that could be it.
@egreg -120 altogether:(
 
@DavidCarlisle :-D
 
@egreg magyar!!
 
@DavidCarlisle Very strange indeed!
 
@DavidCarlisle Eeek
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
 
8:02 AM
@JosephWright Possibly solvable before it pollutes all repositories. But it needs investigation.
 
@JosephWright @egreg does Javier know (not sure he's on tex-live list)
 
@DavidCarlisle If one tries ctan.org/pkg/magyar there is an error
 
@egreg Mail CTAN I think
 
@egreg that is the same error @Johannes_B reported yesterday that you get for any unknown package name
 
@JosephWright But that one is not the latest issue. Are all issues restricted to members?
 
8:15 AM
@Szabolcs for 1 year
 
8:31 AM
@egreg but this works (and shows the bad file dated 11th of this month) ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/babel-contrib/…
 
@DavidCarlisle IIRC, there has been discussion about security in CTAN uploads
@JosephWright Norbert saw my message.
 
8:57 AM
@egreg Indeed, though I guess the first question here will be how has this appeared: the magyar situation has been sub-optimal for some time I think
 
9:12 AM
@egreg Certainly there will be some questions asked here
 
9:56 AM
@JosephWright It's a bit scaring.
 
10:24 AM
@egreg Worrying, certainly
 
@JosephWright More than worrying. :(
 
@egreg Did you mail the CTAN team?
 
@JosephWright Yes; also Norbert did, I guess.
 
@JosephWright its fixed on ctan now
 
@egreg BTW, how did you spot it?
 
10:29 AM
@JosephWright I usually have a look at the TeX Live repository in the morning, to see what's in the list of updates. Since magyar.ldf is quite a problematic piece of software, I checked the changes.
 
@egreg Ah
 
@egreg ooooooh
 
@PauloCereda Just to see how many people have come.
 
@egreg Thank you! I will leave the stream opened!
 
 
2 hours later…
12:20 PM
@PauloCereda What about Perú?
 
@egreg It as an... interesting... game. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well, at least you're improving: just one goal instead of seven. ;-)
 
@egreg Yep. :)
 
@egreg are they in Euro 2016?
 
@DavidCarlisle As far as I know, Perú is still in South America. Didn't check recently, though.
 
yo'
12:25 PM
@egreg According to English people, everything is England, so Europe :)
 
@egreg Unless you argue that Peru = Turkey, then you can fit them into Euro. :)
 
@yo' In a few days this won't be true any more.
 
yo'
@egreg It's the other way around (for them): All that is left of Europe will be the islands :)
 
@egreg You never know, those tectonic plates keep sliding all over
 
@yo' The world: The empire and the rest. :)
 
yo'
12:28 PM
@PauloCereda right
 
12:47 PM
For no reason, Polka face. :) Where's @AlanMunn? :)
 
1:26 PM
next people will be asking me if I use vim:
@DavidCarlisle You're using Plain TeX? — Taiki 2 mins ago
 
@DavidCarlisle Aren't you?!
 
@PauloCereda I keep trying, but each time it says bash: vim: command not found
 
@DavidCarlisle How about vi? :)
 
@PauloCereda it's not polite to ask a gentleman such things
 
@DavidCarlisle sorry. :)
 
1:32 PM
@PauloCereda (it starts vim but I don't know that)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
 
2 hours later…
3:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle I sent a mail as suggested. No reply yet.
 
@DavidCarlisle: speaking of emails, you got one. :)
 
4:30 PM
@PauloCereda -- and you've got one too.
 
@egreg: Barcelona wants to get Gabriel Jesus before Juve. :)
@barbarabeeton ooh <3
 
@PauloCereda Hope they won't succeed.
 
@egreg Me too. :)
 
4:54 PM
@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda @yo' My new phone doesn't have buttons. It is touchy. How high are my chances to get a hit the right field chance of > 50% after a week?
 
@Johannes_B -- my husband and i have identical phones. he uses his for sending mail as well as the usual "phone" activities. his tag line on mail is "Small keyboard. Apologies in advance for brevity and auto-corrections." good luck. (i even have problems entering the correct phone number.)
 
@barbarabeeton Tried with my thumb and just one hand. A desaster. But the telephone in one hand and using the other to type: This is better. I can use three finders with the same error rate.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B depends. It took me some time to get used to it, especially after the Google Keyboard update (I ranted about it here couple times, the thing is very bad).
@Johannes_B try the horizontal mode and two thumbs, that's one of my favourite for typing mails.
Now I'm sorry I gotta go. See you later.
 
@yo' I'll try, see you.
Seems like i can use both thumbs in horizontal mode quite ok, but using three fingers of my right hands is far more effective.
 
5:15 PM
@Johannes_B I am older than you and got my first mobile phone four years ago ;-) If I've got to manage the phone within one day, it should be even easier for you ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I got my first mobile phone about 15 years ago. But it had buttons. And only within the last year, i came in touch with smart devices.
@ChristianHupfer I foolishly connected to my WLAN and the phone (device) asked me to synchronize mails. This is going on for 45 minutes now.
 
@Johannes_B Hm... yes, don't let Foolge do anything for you ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I think this is 10k mails max. Can the device handle this?
 
@Johannes_B 10k mails????????? Depends on the processor, memory and external SD card?
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh yes.
 
5:21 PM
@Johannes_B: I got from 10 to 15 mails a day, most connected to my job. There's a nice invention in Thunderbird, the 'Delete' button ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh wait. 10k is just the amount of unread mails.
 
5:37 PM
@ChristianHupfer That's horrible.
 
@Johannes_B: yes -- the first thing that came into my mind when reading you've got 10k of unread mails: Oh my God ;-)
 
I have more than 10 thousand unread emails.
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6:00 PM
Hello
how are you?
 
@RomainPicot they're all miserable as usual!
 
@DavidCarlisle using vi or vim?
 
@RomainPicot virus ;-)
 
@RomainPicot notepad, the editor choice for the discerning.
 
@DavidCarlisle So it's better than vi :)
@ChristianHupfer of course
 
6:03 PM
@RomainPicot much!
 
@RomainPicot Even M$ W...d is better than vi ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer not so sure ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle Just found an automatic CTAN reply, message rejected because i attached a screenshot to the mail.
 
@RomainPicot I just claim it here -- it's unprovable anyway :D
 
Why isn't thunderbird showing me spam?
 
6:04 PM
@Johannes_B in amongst your 10k unread mails?
 
@ChristianHupfer however, it's easier to close word than vi :D
 
@Johannes_B do you want spam? (we could send you some)
 
@Johannes_B Have you configured your mail provider settings to forward the SPAM via Pop or Imap?
 
@DavidCarlisle I want to be infomred about spam. I was wondering why there was no reaction by the CTAN guys yet and thought they might just be busy.
@ChristianHupfer No idea. just looking though the properties.
 
@Johannes_B oh I stopped being informed about spam years ago, at the time i was getting around 10-15 thousand a day and getting a similar number of spam warnings on top was no fun...
 
6:07 PM
@DavidCarlisle Your mail address is probably flooded over the net.
 
texlive2016 install in progress :)
 
@Johannes_B: Check your Thunderbird Junk Settings too
 
@ChristianHupfer I had to get to a completely different menu and click on sync manually. Now thinking about it, my friend told me to do so.
 
@Johannes_B: If you have a google account and use TB, the Spam sub folder has your files, but usually, I don't look into that. Google's spam filter is quite accurate, in my point of view!
 
@ChristianHupfer I never got a mail advertising some pill to enlarge a part of me. That is good. But kicking out the CTAN team: Not good.
 
6:23 PM
@Johannes_B Check your provider mail settings then.
 
@Canageek I'll never forgive you! Stealing my precious green tick! ;-)
 
Can siunitx handle control sequences instead of numbers? I am looking for something like \SI{\csuse{X1}}{\meter}` where \csuse{X1} expands to a number. I can probably write it myself, but want to make sure it hasn't already been done.
 
@egreg ooh where? I want to upvote @Canageek
 
@StrongBad I think so... but I think you have to 'kill' the parsing. @JosephWright should know? ;-)
 
@egreg done!
 
6:28 PM
@StrongBad Yes
 
@JosephWright I know it works with \SI{\csuse{X1}}{\meter}, but is there a wrapper macro?
 
@StrongBad No, why would there be
 
I tried, but it got mad when X1 wasn't defined. I fixed that, but it made me think there may be other catches.
 
@StrongBad \SI{\csname X1\endcsname}{\meter}? But I don't know how \SI reacts on a \relax ...
 
@ChristianHupfer not happily
Right now I have:`\newcommand{\csSI}[1]{\begingroup%
\ifcsvoid{#1}{%
\GenericWarning{}{\string#1 is not defined}{}{}%
\def\@tempa{\endgroup\SI[parse-numbers = false]{???}}%
}{%
\def\@tempa{\endgroup\SI{\csuse{#1}}}%
}%
\@tempa% Ends the group
}`
 
6:36 PM
@StrongBad Eek
@StrongBad \NewDocumentCommand\foo{mm}{\ifcsname #1\endcname\SI{\csname #1\endcsname}{#2}\else\ERROR\fi} at the very least but really if your input is defective an error is hardly unexpected
@ChristianHupfer Does it look like a number to you ;-)
@StrongBad You could add \relax to the known tokens for a number, but really this is not at all right
 
@JosephWright No, of course not ;-) I thought it would fall back to do \si{\meter} then, which would not be so silly, in my point of view.
 
@RomainPicot Coin coin!
 
@StrongBad Perhaps easier \SI[parse-numbers = false]{\csuse{some-undefined-name}{\metre} but again doesn't warn on what is defective input
 
@PauloCereda Quack ! :)
 
@RomainPicot <3
 
6:41 PM
@ChristianHupfer No, because the input simply doesn't make sense: \relax isn't a number, so this is an error
 
@PauloCereda I'm still winning the duck isn't it?
 
@JosephWright the issue is that the number gets defined later and written to the aux file. So in my mind it is not an error.
 
@JosephWright Well, I have not looked into siunitx what's being done inside of \SI if the first argument is no number.
 
@RomainPicot Yes, I guess. :)
 
@PauloCereda nice 8)
 
7:00 PM
@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright Is it a clever idea to use \def\jobname{somepathspecifier\jobname@orig}, where \let\jobname@orig\jobnamehas been used?
 
macOS Sierra?!
 
@PauloCereda: The only Macintosh that counts:
;-)
 
7:23 PM
@ChristianHupfer it depends what effect you want it to have
@ChristianHupfer if you \def\jobname then things get a bit strange, any tex primitive behaviour will use the hidden primitive \jobname (eg name of pdf or dvi file) but any macro using \jobname (like name of latex aux file) will use the \def'ed name.
 
@DavidCarlisle It's the later application -- I don't want to mess up with the primitive \jobname. Thanks
 
Goal!
 
7:40 PM
@ChristianHupfer Diese neue Technik ist nichts für einen Menschen wie mich.
 
@DavidCarlisle After the great play offered by England at Euro2016…
 
7:56 PM
@Johannes_B Nicht verzagen!
 
@ChristianHupfer Tried to install whatsapp, because, you know ... Not enough memory. I've been told i can move stuff to the sd card, but i don't know freaking how.
The monitor of that thing is unbelievably bright at this time of day.
And it once again tells me that some crappy app died.
Why do i deserve this? Why cannot i have just a phone instead of a device like that?
 
@Johannes_B Ah, do you just want to phone with it? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer My phone died. It could handle phone calls, short messages and could wake me in the morning. I didn't even needed a time table calendar thing or a calculator.
 
And now i am in the world of useless information and whatsapp and not enough memory.
 
8:01 PM
@Johannes_B: A suggestion ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I screamed at my PC and Laptop a couple of times, just had the first time with the device people call a phone.
 
@Johannes_B you know it isn't actually mandatory to install every useless app that is suggested
 
@DavidCarlisle I know.
 
@Johannes_B just checking:-)
 
Power off!
 
hhh
8:52 PM
Is there a command for a curly bracket in Tikz? I need one to be rotated 90 degrees on:
I want 3 curly brackets above each module, how can I do it in Tikz?
 
Goal! :D
 
@hhh Look at the decorations.pathreplacing library, it has a brace decoration.
 
hhh
@TorbjørnT. where can I find its manual? I would like to rotate the bracket {.
 
@hhh It's part of the manual for pgf/TikZ, so texdoc pgf.
@hhh Should be plenty of examples around the site, for example tex.stackexchange.com/questions/144307/…
 
hhh
\tikz{\pgftext[base,x=1cm,y=-0.5cm,rotate=90,scale=30] {\{}} <--- why does this not work?
(no "scale" for pgftext)
 
9:06 PM
@hhh Because scale isn't implemented for \pgftext? Can't you use a \node?
@hhh \tikz\node[inner sep=0pt,rotate=90,scale=30] {\{\}};
 
hhh
But braces and their labels is easier with the pkg?
 
@hhh What?
 
hhh
Why are the $M_1$ labels not showing up?
 
9:25 PM
@hhh Can you post the code directly, and not as an image?
 
hhh
I got it :)
 
@TorbjørnT. This. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
 
hhh
I think it is not the most elegant but I did writing with pgftext because node was preserved for other things :)
Thank you for suggesting the decoration pkg!
 
@hhh Other things? I don't understand you, but whatever, glad it worked out. Good night.
 
9:38 PM
@egreg LOLOL the sledgehammer concerto!
 
@PauloCereda The reader's digest version!
 
@egreg :D
 
When you hear this, then there's something wrong because it's Grieg!
 
@egreg Fantastic. :)
 
@PauloCereda And the “dance of the Eisenhower”.
 
9:49 PM
@egreg :D
 
10:09 PM
ug 4 green squares in a row, where are all the ducks real people?
 
@DavidCarlisle We green squares will conquer the world!
 
@DavidCarlisle: Here
 
@ChristianHupfer phew, thank goodness
 
@DavidCarlisle Just to prevent the Green-Squares-World Domination ;-)
 
10:31 PM
@ChristianHupfer You will be absorbed and turned into a purple square.
 
@egreg I am looking for the button to delete my account ;-)
 
10:50 PM
One for @Johannes_B
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Q: Need template for PhD Thesis

Rehan JamshedI am looking for template for writing PhD Thesis in Latex. Although some are available on internet but they require lots of installations and even doing so leads to errors. Will be grateful for the help. Thanks.

 
@egreg Use your brain, you want a PhD.
Honestly, what is the right answer for that? Stay away from hot ovens? Don't fight a gorilla? Don't argue with a french waiter? Don't eat ducks?
 
@Johannes_B This is a trick question. Eating ducks is not harmful @PauloCereda. At least not for the human being ;-)
 

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