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3:01 AM

@DavidCarlisle i did try the pagination restructuring, it screws up my document's page numbering, but i'm still getting the same issue.

user270840

3:40 AM

David Carlisle

6:45 AM

@user270840 no you did something wrong but impossible to guess what, you need to fix your question to have an example that reproduces the problem (not as a link)

Joseph Wright

8:09 AM

@DavidCarlisle I think I've nearly got the clipping sorted: I'm taking Till's code in pgf and trying to cut out all of the excess stuff

@DavidCarlisle Of course, one day I'd like to take the system layer of pgf and make the same ideas available in expl3 as a base for graphics production: lots to do!

David Carlisle

8:23 AM

@JosephWright meanwhile I'm adding spaces vvvv(@barbarabeeton hope to update amsmath this week)

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A: \dots plus \left

This is a bug (sorry ask @egreg who did it:-) until a fix is made available you can use $\dots\relax \left. a \right.$ Rather than change the document, you can fix the definition of \striplong@ as follows \documentclass{article} \usepackage{amsmath} {\catcode`\@=11 \uccode`9=`\l \uccode`8=`\...

@JosephWright can you do that and still run tikz over the top?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I suspect so: pgf has three layers (system, base, user), so one might imagine the kernel providing the system layer ('raw' drawing steps) and leaving it to others to provide interface(s) more friendly to the user

David Carlisle

@JosephWright Yes I gathered that was the theory but I never looked at how people use this in the wild, whether a typical tikz picture is robust enough to change the bottom stuff (or pgfmath for l3 math for example)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Certainly people shouldn't be using the system layer in their documents even if they are setting up specialist stuff. In terms of maths, there is some detail in the manual on the nature of the requirements for any swap-out FPU

David Carlisle

@JosephWright oh does tikz have a manual?

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user270840

@DavidCarlisle paste.ubuntu.com/16356951 does this help?

David Carlisle

8:38 AM

@user270840 please don't use external links. You need to fix the question to include a useable example inline

user270840

i have used the pastebin to keep my code for public viewing

Torbjørn T.

@user270840 It's also public if you add it to your question.

David Carlisle

@user270840 forever? any answers are archived for this site forever and break if such pasted fragments go and also many potential answerers (including, usually, me) do not, as a matter of policy, follow external links to unknown sources.

Johannes_B

8:54 AM

I think in the very long run, templates will drive me crazy.

user270840

9:07 AM

actually i appended the code to the question

Ulrike Fischer

10:04 AM

@user270840 Your textheight is too large and your footskip is too small (and you still have lots of things that should go in the preamble in the middle of your document).

Joseph Wright

10:18 AM

@DavidCarlisle I'm thinking more 'some future model' than 'hijack bits of pgf' :-)

David Carlisle

10:52 AM

@Johannes_B perhaps it happened already

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle I think I have cracked the clipping business, just need to make some adjustments to l3drivers to keep things clear(ish)

Paulo Cereda

11:43 AM

[paulo@cambridge Downloads] $ du -hc Mac/
23G	Mac/
23G	total

@JosephWright ^^ I think I managed to get all my programs. :)

Paulo Cereda

12:22 PM

Yay, Nicola's son is very active on datatooltk! :)

barbara beeton

12:37 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- thanks. we need to set a schedule and a protocol for me to turn the accumulated bug reports over to you. (i'll get in touch by email.)

@Johannes_B -- probably true, but i question the "long".

Joseph Wright

1:06 PM

Hmm, the 'back end' has given me the Archaeologist badge and thinks it should track my progress toward Legendary ...

yo'

1:40 PM

@barbarabeeton :)

@JosephWright I had to change "Epic" progress to something less depressing...

Joseph Wright

@yo' That's pretty easy ... ;-)

yo'

@JosephWright For you... But I may also get a golden badge that @egreg does not have ... :) (I could do that in 44 days if I wished...)

Joseph Wright

@yo' One about a question, perhaps?

David Carlisle

2:04 PM

@user270840 the code you have posted isn't actually usable. It just \include files that are not available.

user270840

2:55 PM

too huge document, it has graphics as well

David Carlisle

@user270840 that's why the site calls for minimal examples. You only need to make an example of a page or so, and any image can be replaced by \rule{3cm}{4cm} or whatever is needed since page breaking just depends on the size. You can't expect people to debug code just from an image of its output.

Ulrike Fischer

@user270840 As I already wrote: your footskip is too small. Use e.g. \setlength{\footskip}{2\onelineskip}. Beside this it would do your document good if you would clean up a bit.

yo'

@JosephWright yeah...

Johannes_B

4:59 PM

@barbarabeeton @DavidCarlisle :-)

Joseph Wright

@cfr On fonts/L3, what we have at the moment is expl3, a programming layer

@cfr This is quite explicitly run as 'l3in2e' so stuff that needs 2e mechanisms is left alone

@cfr We do have some experimental font code but it's essentially a mechanical translation of the NFSS, except Will messed up various things and needs to do it again!

@cfr The bigger question in the font area is what to support. It's complex as ideally we'd have a unified loader interface for all engines, but that is likely not workable. Then of course you have the whole 'which engines to support ...' business!

Johannes_B

5:15 PM

@JosephWright Will messed up :-)

Canageek

Install Windows 10, now I have to redownload TeXLive

Sigh

Wish it would download one package from each mirror to figure out the fastest one

There was a tool in the Debian package repo years ago that would test every debian mirror in the world and find the fastest one for you

DAMN. I was so close to being able to answer this one

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Q: How do I set Arial as the main font of a document with Times New Roman for math?

The title is pretty self-explanatory. I'm a beginner with Latex and would like to know if there's a code that allows Arial 11pt font to be used for the main body of an article, and Times 12pt for math equations (including symbols etc). Any help much appreciated.

I know how to do the one for math, one for body

But not how to do the sizes :(

user270840

5:30 PM

@UlrikeFischer OK, That was the solution the whole time

Ulrike Fischer

@user270840 I'm not completly ignorant regarding latex layouts ;-) Beside this I added some \lipsum and tried.

user270840

@UlrikeFischer a big thank you to you, now i don't have to worry much about the formatting, (only the content). Happy \LaTeX ing!

Irregular User

6:02 PM

@touhami sorry, I don't have rep to comment on your answer to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/275521/… since I don't have enough rep so I'm pinging you here. In the part where you say "use the command of pdflatex", my input next to PdfLaTeX is pdflatex -synctex=1 -interaction=nonstopmode %.tex

@touhami it doesn't seem to be the same as yours, what am I supposed to do with it?

cfr

6:16 PM

@JosephWright Yes, I know. It is just that you challenged me to point out something missing, so I did. I'm not going to post it to a mailing list when I know the people on that list are perfectly well aware of it already ;).

yo'

6:45 PM

A student decided to take a written exam on a subject he is not subscribed to? WTF?

Joseph Wright

@yo' :-)

yo'

@JosephWright I mean, he "conditionally passed", which is a good result (many students don't get that many points in both tests together, he did it in one), but I can't even put the score in the system... :)

Now it's 8:50pm, I need to put the exams into the teachers' inboxes and I'm off to home. See you later.

Joseph Wright

@yo' Obviously working to the academic tradition that your degree should be determined only by which exams you take and pass, and not by any 'registration' or whatever ;-)

@cfr We are looking at the slightly differently :-) expl3 is from the POV of the team a programming layer: font selection doesn't fall inside that. LaTeX3 as a whole is very sketchy, and font loading is a tricky one (packages are the wrong mechanism as fonts are about design ...)

dustin

7:44 PM

@DavidCarlisle sorry for the late reply had to have appendix removed unexpectedly. For \email, I wanted it the person(s) to be able to click the link and open their mail client with it filled out in the to box.

David Carlisle

@dustin not sure that's even reliably possible in all pdf viewers but assuming you have hypperef loaded it's just a link to a URL so \def\email#1{\href{mailto:#1}{#1}} (or whichever order the URL and link text are in hyperref, can never remember:-0

dustin

@DavidCarlisle okay thanks. I will give that a try in a bit.

Christian Hupfer

@ChristianHupfer Wie Sie wissen, ich bin mit jeder Sprache glücklich. — David Carlisle 38 secs ago

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer what did you expect? :-)

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: What has Google Translator ever done for you :-P

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@DavidCarlisle: Interestingly, ~~you~~ google used the polite form ....

David Carlisle

8:02 PM

@ChristianHupfer Ich bin immer höflich, im Gegensatz zu dieser italienischen Macker

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle I hope, @egreg won't translate 'Macker' :D :D :D

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer gt translates it in both directions as "bloke"

@ChristianHupfer anyway I never mentioned @egreg

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle Yes, but 'Macker' is rather pejorative

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer excellent choice:-)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle :P

Johannes_B

8:28 PM

@ChristianHupfer hi hi :-)

David Carlisle

@cfr 歐洲語言都是相似

Paulo Cereda

Macker the Knifer?

It's a song. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Brecht's Opera?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Louis Armstrong. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Oh, what a wonderful world ;-)

Paulo Cereda

8:31 PM

@ChristianHupfer GREEN ROSES TOO

:)

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda Mackie Messer, not Macker.

Szabolcs

Hi everyone! Can I set a prefix for figure numbering? E.g. I want figures D1, D2, ... instead of 1, 2, ... and the "D" prefix is a custom string.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I've got always that scenes with Diana Rigg and George Lazenby from the 1969 Bond movie in mind hearing that song

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh thank you, I was close. :)

Christian Hupfer

@UlrikeFischer Yes, Dreigroschenoper

Paulo Cereda

8:33 PM

@ChristianHupfer :)

David Carlisle

@Szabolcs \renewcommand\thefigure{D\arabic{figure}}

Paulo Cereda

On a more serious note, I am writing a tool to help find information about TeX distros. :)

cfr

@JosephWright I was really just responding to the 'is comprehensive' claim in the context of a question about writing packages in the current world. I was not trying to criticise L3 or the L3 developers' framework or, really, anything else at all. (I don't know anywhere near enough to do any of these other things, even if I wanted to which I don't.)

Szabolcs

Great! Thank you!

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I personally think that this Bond Movie is under-estimated

Paulo Cereda

8:35 PM

@cfr: How does one say hummingbird in Welsh? :)

cfr

@PauloCereda Will it work for ducks?

David Carlisle

Jan 12 at 12:15, by David Carlisle

@PauloCereda finished your thesis?

cfr

@PauloCereda One tries the dictionary. Hang on...

Paulo Cereda

@cfr Yes! I have the name! It will be called cuckoo. :)

@DavidCarlisle Oh no!

@ChristianHupfer Let the sky fall!

:)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Guess who starred David's comment ;-)

Paulo Cereda

8:38 PM

@ChristianHupfer Naughty naughty German. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Always at your service :-P

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Quack <3

cfr

@PauloCereda aderyn y si or aderyn bach y si or aderyn y su or aderyn bach y su [I guess you see a pattern emerging!]

@PauloCereda Literally: bird of the hum or small bird of the hum ;)

egreg

@UlrikeFischer Or Mecker Massie. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@cfr awww thank you! :) It is lovely!

@cfr In Portuguese, hummingbird is beija-flor, which literally means a bird who kisses flowers. :)

cfr

8:42 PM

@PauloCereda I'm quite impressed by the dictionary. I didn't think it would be there. Hummingbirds are not exactly native, so you wouldn't expect an old word for it.

@PauloCereda That's much more poetic!

Paulo Cereda

@cfr How nice! :)

cfr

@PauloCereda I guess it isn't an old word, of course. But sometimes words for 'new' things are missing because nobody got around to inventing them.

Paulo Cereda

Nov 6 '11 at 23:33, by Paulo Cereda

@egreg: The feeders are working! http://i.imgur.com/OHkU1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5nWMC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/UNSBW.jpg

@cfr ^^ My hummingbird feeders, five years ago in this very chatroom. :)

@egreg: remembering the times! ^^ :)

cfr

@PauloCereda Fantastic! Do you still use them?

Paulo Cereda

@cfr Thank you! Yes, I still have them, but I need to take a closer look at Fubá, he likes hummingbirds. :)

@cfr: Ciça and Fubá. :)

Ciça is looking at her rubber mouse. :)

daleif

9:09 PM

Soo close to have "fixed" a plot from a wellknown science organization that will remain anonymous, need a small advice though. I've successfully replaced all the text and labels to our document font using psfrag. But in the original graph, in a label apparently they did not know how to make \sqrt so they drew it with three lines. Any idea how to find these three lines in an EPS file so I can remove them?

cfr

9:19 PM

@PauloCereda Lucy is unfortunately rather keen on birds, also. And mice. And voles. And also spiders.

David Carlisle

@daleif depends on the eps, sometimes you can just look in and edit the postscript text sometimes it's so convoluted that's not really possible, but easier would be just to overprint a white rectangle

Paulo Cereda

@cfr awwww <3 How's her?

barbara beeton

@daleif -- we'd give this eps file to our graphic arts staff to redo it using a graphics tool. good luck.

daleif

@DavidCarlisle I know, and here they start by defining shorthand macros, but kinda fun to dig through. Bit hard to do with some white boxes as it sits on top of the text I've replaced.

barbara beeton

@daleif -- wouldn't the three lines be somewhere close to the text you've replaced?

daleif

9:26 PM

@barbarabeeton do you know which tools they are using? I've tried editing the resulting PDF in inkscape, and it F's up the fonts. So I'm trying to dig through the code

David Carlisle

@daleif you could put the white box in the psfrag replacement if it were \colorbox{white}{\makebox(20,50){hello}}

daleif

@barbarabeeton that would be resonable.

@DavidCarlisle that does not always work well with the printing office. For example they seems to always F things up if we used trim+clip options (their automatic(?) post processor system apparently removes clipping)

David Carlisle

@daleif well don't tell them that psfrag doesn't remove the original text it just translates it (hopefully) outside the page clip :-)

barbara beeton

@daleif -- i've surely heard its name, but since i don't use it, i don't remember it. (names tend to be the first things to go ...) and everyone has left for the day. i'll check tomorrow, if that would help. for the moment, i'll guess it's adobe illustrator.

daleif

@barbarabeeton no, seems to be an after thought, so it is somewhere else in the text

@barbarabeeton it is not important, I'll find it, and if not I'll just use the white box option. I've already been removing stuff from the EPS, so removing some lines should not be a big deal

would it be possible to find it via the coordinates? because I know the PS coordinates of the text that it is sqrting

David Carlisle

9:35 PM

@daleif possibly simplest would be newpath 1 2 moveto 5 6 lineto stroke to draw from 1,2 to 5,6 but since it's all subject to local coordinate transformation changes not so easy to spot

daleif

Hmm, interesting part is, that there is a flaw in that \sqrt drawing, only one stroke has the correct thickness, perhaps this flaw can be used to find it.

barbara beeton

@PauloCereda -- and i spot your mum's sewing machine behind ciça.

daleif

Ahh @barbarabeeton was right, it was right next to the label, just did not understand the syntax. Clue follow the line width change it and see what happens.

@DavidCarlisle if you were really nitpicking, how should you fix an EPS where parts of the plot is clearly typeset in the wrong order? Here a dashed line have been added to mark y=0 but it is onto of the axis markers and the data markers (this is a two part plot, and in the other half, this was not the case). Thinking about locating this and moving it. Again, really risky

David Carlisle

9:53 PM

@daleif if you can find the path drawing the dashed line you can use gsave 10 0 translate ..... grestore to move it 10pt but if you restore at wrong point things will be messed up...

daleif

@DavidCarlisle seems a good time to do an svn commit (I'm old school)

David Carlisle

@daleif good plan:-)

cfr

@PauloCereda She's fine. It's the birds and voles you have to worry about! She seems to have escaped my mother's attempts to clean her teeth tonight ;).

Maybe I should try instead ...

StrongBad

10:27 PM

I am thinking about creating a figure in PGFPlots with 6 lines. I am worried that it is too many and the differences in the lines styles will not be noticeable. Any thoughts?

Alan Munn

10:40 PM

Any Mac users around right now?

cfr

@AlanMunn Why? I used to use one. I still have one. It would, however, be misleading to describe me as a current user.

Alan Munn

@daleif Hi Lars, I've just updated my thesis class, which is based on Memoir, and I noticed that the date of the 8th edition has gotten older.. it used to be 8th Edition, 2010 and now is 8th edition 2009... Since my documentation quotes from the manual, I was a bit confused to say the least. :) Since I think the manual has been updated a few times, maybe it's time to add a new edition with a current date?

@cfr I'm in need of some testing. Ideally I'm looking for people who have different language locales too.

cfr

@AlanMunn Can't help. Sorry. Unless you want testing on Tiger, which seems unlikely to be useful. (Though the different language locale is something I could probably supply.)

Alan Munn

@cfr No worries. The real test will be with people who have Chinese localization or something further away a simple UTF-8 locale.

daleif

11:07 PM

@AlanMunn that sounds strange, I'll have a look when time permits. I don't think the manual updates are big enough for an edition bump. There are some larger things I'd like to rewrite in the manual, just does not have the time or energy at the moment

Alan Munn

@daleif Yes, that seems reasonable to me. I mainly wanted to bring it to your attention, since the date change caught me by surprise.

cfr

@AlanMunn Indeed I cannot offer anything that exotic ;). Although using the Welsh localisation on OS X did once cause a very mysterious bug involving Python. Very different or not, it certainly demonstrated an ability to crash everything. (I'm guessing that things like Chinese did not simply because the bug would not have been as uncommon or mysterious in that case.)

Alan Munn

@cfr Maybe Python doesn't like consonant mutation. :)

Paulo Cereda

11:33 PM

@barbarabeeton Indeed! Mum's sewing machine is an historical piece. :)

@cfr ooh what a naughty kitty cat! :)

Danu

11:54 PM

Hi all

I'm trying to make a horrible diagram with tikz-cd and am running into some unexpected behavior: A standalone MWE shows weird spacing around my diagram, which is causing problems (obviously, if you see the spacing) in my document.

\documentclass{standalone}
\usepackage{tikz-cd}

\begin{document}

$$
\begin{tikzcd}[column sep=-1cm]
& A
\ar[ddd, controls={+(-5,0) and +(-5,0)},
start anchor=west,end anchor=west]
& B \\
& C
& D\\
E(BIG THING) & & \\
& F(BIG THING HERE, TOO)
&
\end{tikzcd}
$$

\end{document}

This produces the following:

Is this expected behavior? Or is something going wrong here?

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