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Joseph Wright

07:33

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I have been trying to extract .tex code out of a .dtx file (this http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/microtype/microtype.dtx to be precise, which should produce the microtype documentation http://mirrors.ctan.org/macros/latex/contrib/microtype/microtype.pdf). I understand the idea of hav...

dtx

Isn't this just a dupe of the older question?

David Carlisle

08:36

@JosephWright yes

David Carlisle

09:19

@UlrikeFischer I've provisionally added A0 and AD to utf8 inputenc, we'll see if they survive tests and discussion before the release;-)

Ulrike Fischer

09:59

@DavidCarlisle Thanks. The extended error message is imho fine too (perhaps additionally a "decimal" should be added to clarify that it is not a usual hex unicode number).

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I fixed it last night to do hex;-)

@UlrikeFischer actually I'm just testing that now, I think I need to make it behave a bit better on mal formed ut8 input (currently it blows up rather badly:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Hm. Yes. \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} together with 8-bit-encoded files is a very frequent error in user documents.

1010011010

10:15

Still nobody with a reasonable amount of knowledge on biblatex? :-)

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I can't decide how bad it is, you do finally get the inputenc error message with a hex number showing more or less how much of the sequence it decoded but before that you get random \numexpr parse errors, like:

! Missing = inserted for \ifnum.
<to be read again>
                   `
l.50 ...e that are not legal utf8 sequences: ^^c3X
                                                   ^^e1XY
I was expecting to see `<', `=', or `>'. Didn't.

! Missing ) inserted for expression.
<to be read again>
                   `
l.50 ...e that are not legal utf8 sequences: ^^c3X
                                                   ^^e1XY
I was expecting to see `+', `-', `*', `/', or `)'. Didn't.

! Package inputenc Error: Unicode char ^^c3X (U+3)

@UlrikeFischer where the actual error is last two lines. Catching it and avoiding \numexpr parse errors while staying purely expandable is a bit hard

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle I just tried öäü in a ansinew document with utf8 inputenc. And got simply

Runaway argument?
! Paragraph ended before \UTFviii@three@octets was complete.
<to be read again>
\par
l.47

?

So newbies can get frightening errors with the current implementation too ...

David Carlisle

10:58

@UlrikeFischer yes but adding more isn't necessarily an improvement:-) I have a version that avoids the errors but adds )))) at the end of every number (having added some closing brackets just in case) in theory I can run a cleanup macro to remove those, although not currently working:-)

Paulo Cereda

Quack! :)

Good Saturday to you all, friends!

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle If you can avoid it it is naturally better. But one of the time consuming support task is to find out if people get inputenc errors due to a faulty file encoding or due to an undeclared character. If one could discern the cases by the error message it would help a lot and some parentheses are a small price to pay.

Paulo Cereda

From a real paper of mine. ^^

egreg

@PauloCereda A duck labeling machine?

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer thanks for the encouragement. I'm going to leave the code for a bit and come back to it later, I know what's wrong with it but not fixed in mind what it should do instead so not making progress:-)

@PauloCereda and egreg

Paulo Cereda

11:11

@egreg An nondeterministic automaton generated from a duck duck goose grammar. :)

@DavidCarlisle you are mean. :)

@egreg: any tour planned for today?

egreg

@PauloCereda Tomorrow, on the way home. I'll take it somewhat at large. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :)

egreg

@PauloCereda My plan is to visit the "Santuario della Verna”, where St. Francis got the stigmata.

Santuário do Monte Alverne

O Santuário do Monte Alverne (Santuario della Verna) é um local de peregrinação católica, pertencente à Ordem Franciscana, localizado no Monte Alverne, a pouca distância de Chiusi della Verna, na província de Arezzo, na Itália. O Santuário foi erguido no sítio onde segundo a tradição São Francisco de Assis recebeu os estigmas, em 17 de setembro de 1224. Está situado no flanco norte do Monte Alverne (ou Monte Penna, como é conhecido em italiano), a 1.128 m de altitude, e compreende um complexo de capelas, ermidas, hospedaria, convento e uma basílica, sendo de grande importância para a devoção católica...

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Amazing! Is it far from your place?

I'd love to do a religious tour in Italy. <3

egreg

11:26

@PauloCereda The planned tour is about 600km, the place is about mid way.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Cool!

barbara beeton

12:06

@DavidCarlisle -- how about dek's home page: www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno -- there it says (quite clearly!) that he is "Professor Emeritus of The Art of Computer Programming" (not "professor of arts & ...").

@egreg -- hmmm. well, there's a substantial italian population in providence. maybe one of the shops has got them. haven't visited that neighborhood for a while anyhow, so it would be a good expedition. (fresh-made ravioli and mozzarella ... yum! and it should probably be about time for "uvo per vino" to come out on the fruit stands.)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton ah, I must say I thought it looked odd when I say "of arts" . I'll contact them...

Johannes_B

12:30

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle @egreg @UlrikeFischer @clemens github.com/treyhunner/invoices/issues/2#issuecomment-135912660

Mary Star

12:58

Hello!! I am about to write my master thesis and now I am looking for a template... Which of the following would you suggest me?

https://www.sharelatex.com/templates/thesis

Paulo Cereda

@MaryStar Hi! Does your university and/or department have any formatting rules/guidelines?

Mary Star

@PauloCereda I don't think so...

Paulo Cereda

@MaryStar Most universities provide formatting/style guides for academic documents, so at the end of the day, your thesis might have to look how they want and not exactly how you would like.

Johannes_B

@MaryStar None.

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B :)

@barbarabeeton Speaking of mozzarella, you might like this video: vimeo.com/126527223 :)

Mary Star

13:13

@Johannes_B Do you mean none of them?

What template would you suggest me then? @Johannes_B

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda After two months of back and forth with the template site, i really .... argh.

Best of serenity now

►

Paulo Cereda

@MaryStar Johannes is suggesting to get a nice class (KOMA, memoir) and set it up based on your own needs. :)

Johannes_B

@MaryStar \documentclass{scrreprt} or \documentclass{memoir} and nice and easy add what you need.

@PauloCereda Mindreader. <3

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B <3

Johannes_B

@MaryStar Writing a thesis with LaTeX is like picking stuff from a buffet. If you choose a predefined menu, there will be pieces you won't like. The cook likes it a lot though.

Mary Star

13:18

I see... Which is the difference between \documentclass{scrreprt} and \documentclass{memoir} ? @Johannes_B

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton mail sent...

Johannes_B

@MaryStar They work a bit differently but do the same. It is a matter of taste.

@PauloCereda Just sent you a mail (c.f. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/23751665#23751665)

Mary Star

@Johannes_B Ok... Thanks!! :-)

percusse

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Q: How to format the online source citations and the author biography in ieeetran inside "thebibliography" tag?

What should I write inside \begin{thebibliography}{} \end{thebibliography} For online reference and conference reference [include all]. Reference number is also alphabetically sorted. I use class IEEETran. And at the end author bio format.

ieeetran

Johannes_B

@MaryStar dickimaw-books.com/latex/thesis/index.html

egreg

13:36

@barbarabeeton Well, that's only one kind of Italian play cards. ;-) In my region they're quite different: VVV

Inexperienced people often confuse the ace of “bastoni” (top row) and the ace of “spade” (bottom row). But it's easy: bastoni has the hand. ;-)

Johannes_B

:-(

clemens

Article on chemistry & LaTeX for TUGboat should be ready for submission tomorrow :) (finally!)

Johannes_B

\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{lettrine}
\usepackage[hebrew]{babel}
\usepackage{blindtext}
\begin{document}
\lettrine{N}{ello}
\blindtext
\end{document}

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B You got mail. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda Just copied the link :-)

@PauloCereda Oh wow, poor patty.

Paulo Cereda

13:52

@Johannes_B :)

Johannes_B

@StefanKottwitz Is bbcode deactivated for some golatex users randomly? I have to fix quite a lot posts lately where the little tick is deactivating bbcode .

Paulo Cereda

14:04

Yay @ChristianHupfer is back!

Christian Hupfer

14:14

@PauloCereda: Only as a ghost ;-)

clemens

@ChristianHupfer spooky

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ooh Das Phantasmagorikghost!

<3

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda @clemens: I've returned from a small trekking tour (only 10 km) some minutes ago

@clemens: Some days ago I could have paid a visit to you, I passed "Herrenberg" on the A81 :D

clemens

@ChristianHupfer I probably would have been home :)

Christian Hupfer

@clemens Next time then... ;-)

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Number 3 ... the crunchy frog ;-)

And my favourite photo this day... spot the ~~looney~~ bee ;-)

clemens

14:27

@ChristianHupfer Superintendent Parrot ate one of those!

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B It should not. I guess you and I never had that issue, experienced users never mentioned. Perhaps new posters clicked. We could ask someone (if he or she would understand :-o )

clemens

@ChristianHupfer that's beautiful

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Was out with the dog on wednesday. 31 km.

@StefanKottwitz Always newcommers, im just wondering why they klick the button.

Paulo Cereda

@yo': Hi Tom! I will try to submit a paper here: grammars.grlmc.com/lata2016

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Is that one for Javier?

\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{lettrine}
\usepackage[hebrew,italian]{babel}
\usepackage{blindtext}
\noextrashebrew
\begin{document}
\lettrine{N}{ello}
\blindtext
\end{document}

Ulrike Fischer

14:52

@Johannes_B No, it's a problem with lettrine. using \thecounter to set a counter as in \setcounter{L@lines}{\theDefaultLines} is a bad idea.

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer So a bug-report for lettrine is in order?

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B Yes. Is there somewhere a question?

egreg

@UlrikeFischer Quite common error, unfortunately.

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=26624

egreg

@Johannes_B All five appearances of \theL@lines should become \value{L@lines}

Johannes_B

14:57

@egreg Should i report?

egreg

@Johannes_B I think so

Johannes_B

@egreg Ok, i'll do. Note to @Ulrike as well.

egreg

@Johannes_B The problem is that hebrew.ldf (or a related file) changes the meaning of \arabic. But in the contexts where \theL@lines is used, the value is needed, not its representation.

Johannes_B

@egreg I just looked at hebrew.ldf and noticed the change. On the other hand, shouldn't noextrashebrew revert the change? Haven't looked closely enough.

egreg

@Johannes_B No:

> \noextrashebrew=macro:
->\fromhebrew \ifhmode \ifinner \else \beginL \fi \fi \let \@alph =\saved@alph
\let \@Alph =\saved@Alph .

Johannes_B

15:02

@egreg Ok.

egreg

The macro \noextrashebrew is used when switching languages, it doesn't make much sense using it alone.

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B Ok after all this patches it worked:

\makeatletter
\patchcmd{\@lettrine}{\theDefaultLines}{\c@DefaultLines}{\typeout{success}}{Ups}
\patchcmd{\@lettrine}{\theDefaultDepth}{\c@DefaultDepth}{\typeout{success}}{Ups}
\patchcmd{\@lettrine}{\theL@lines}{\value{L@lines}}{\typeout{success}}{Ups}
\patchcmd{\@lettrine}{\theL@lines}{\value{L@lines}}{\typeout{success}}{Ups}
\patchcmd{\@lettrine}{\theL@lines}{\value{L@lines}}{\typeout{success}}{Ups}
\patchcmd{\Lettrine@height}{\theL@lines}{\value{L@lines}}{\typeout{success}}{Ups}
\patchcmd{\Lettrine@height}{\theL@lines}{\value{L@lines}}{\typeout{success}}{Ups}

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=91365#p91365

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B Lets hope that nobody asks about the "Ups" ;-)

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer It could fail for a different version, but i bet the issue is there from the beginning. :-)

Johannes_B

15:48

@TorbjørnT. Ideally, one could add the three or four lines to make every example on wikibooks compilable. What do you think?

Gigili

18:46

google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://…

Hi. I need a neat and chic template like this one, ready to type. Do you know one to introduce?

Torbjørn T.

@Johannes_B Hm. Maybe, but I'm not really sure it's necessary.

@Gigili

\documentclass{beamer}\author{...}\title{...}\begin{document}\maketitle\begin{f‌rame}\frametitle{..}Write content here\end{frame}\end{document}

Gigili

Is that a template?

Torbjørn T.

19:04

@Gigili For some definition of template. Those slides are very similar to the default layout of beamer.

yo'

@PauloCereda Oh I'll 99% be in Prague by then! Even if not, if you needed cheap accomodation, we'd manage :-) Crossing fingers it'll go through!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Thanks, pal! <3

yo'

@PauloCereda If I met @egreg's standards, I'll likely meet your standards, too :-)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ooh :)

yo'

btw, we'll have goulash for lunch tomorrow, I made it today and it's really nice :-) (But also, cooking and tidying up can take the whole day... :-( (

David Carlisle

19:21

@PauloCereda why the wobbly picture for that Prague conferfence?

yo'

19:41

@DavidCarlisle I know the organizers, but not well enough to ask such an impertinent question :)

David Carlisle

@yo' just done with css, no javascript, no comment as to why though:

.tilt:hover {
  -webkit-transform: rotate(-3deg);
     -moz-transform: rotate(-3deg);
       -o-transform: rotate(-3deg);
      -ms-transform: rotate(-3deg);
          transform: rotate(-3deg);

yo'

@DavidCarlisle "design decision" I think they call it

David Carlisle

@yo' I spent so long worrying about that, I didn't read any of the conference info, I wonder if that was the intention of the design?

yo'

@DavidCarlisle not every web creator is a UX expert :-)

@PauloCereda Don't forget that the deadline is at 7pm in your timezone :)

egreg

20:01

@yo' Surely so!

Paulo Cereda

21:25

@DavidCarlisle I have no idea, it seems it's wobbly. :)

@egreg: A great game tomorrow!

egreg

@PauloCereda Not sure I'll be home in time.

Paulo Cereda

21:40

@egreg Oh. :(

yo'

22:00

Midnight, time to go to bed, getting up in 7.5 hours... Good night and have a good Sunday :)

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