TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Christian Hupfer

6:21 AM

Good mean

Joseph Wright

8:32 AM

@ChristianHupfer ?

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: It should read Good maen ;-)

Christian Hupfer

8:49 AM

Off-topic, in my point of view:

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Q: How to count the generated pages from a Makefile

I would like to integrate a sanity test in my Makefile that builds multiple PDFs. I would like to count and compare the number of pages generated based on what xelatex outputs during/after the run, compare it an expected value and stop make to see if layout changes accidentally created too many /...

Faheem Mitha

@ChristianHupfer Well, not if he wants to use TeX to do it.

Though only marginally so, granted.

Christian Hupfer

@FaheemMitha 'From a Makefile' ... He should use then TeX to provide information that is not analyzed with grep etc.

Faheem Mitha

@ChristianHupfer Well, generated by a Makefile would be more accurate, I think.

Christian Hupfer

@FaheemMitha That's true, but I am not sure it's meant this way. Let's wait and C

Faheem Mitha

The idea is to use information from TeX to find out the number of pages. Though since it is trivially available, it isn't much of a question anyway.

Joseph Wright

8:59 AM

@FaheemMitha Well \count0 is available: whether this is the 'number of pages' is slightly more complex

Faheem Mitha

Well, the comment

what about the Output written on filename.pdf (x pages). in filename.log? — touhami 16 mins ago

seems to cover it adequately. Isn't that information definitive? Is it available more directly from within TeX? Grepping seems suboptimal.

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright As far as I understood the OP wants to check whether the correct number of pages has been written -- so this is a process after 'pdftex'. He/she can of course look into the log file

Thanks, I have missed that line - it seems more reliable than the [] values. I would gladly accept "grep for that" as an answer. — TeXter 5 mins ago

nima

9:47 AM

Hi I want to translate a recent answer to my question on tex.st and put it on a persian latex community website as I think they can improve persian parts and is a good guide. The problem is that in the answer there is the name of Mr. Carlisle. How one has to pronounce it?

Christian Hupfer

@nima That's a question for @DavidCarlisle ;-) I think the 's' character in Carlisle is 'soundless', i.e not pronounced

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Raymond Luxury Yacht. :)

nima

I didn't want to trouble him.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda @shtum, shtum :-P

nima

@christian as \karlail\ and ai as in the vowel in "hi"

Joseph Wright

9:52 AM

@nima 'Car-lyle'

Carlisle, Cumbria

Carlisle (/kɑrˈlaɪl/ or local /ˈkɑrlaɪl/ from Cumbric: Caer Luel Scottish Gaelic: Cathair Luail) is a city and the county town of Cumbria. Historically in Cumberland, it is also the administrative centre of the City of Carlisle borough in North West England. Carlisle is located at the confluence of the rivers Eden, Caldew and Petteril, 10 miles (16 km) south of the Scottish border. It is the largest settlement in the county of Cumbria, and serves as the administrative centre for both Carlisle City Council and Cumbria County Council. At the time of the 2001 census, the population of Carlisle was...

First suggested IPA version there is right

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright Wow, they even named a city after @DavidCarlisle :-P

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Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright The city is named after David, of course. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Faster:-P

nima

@JosephWright @ChristianHupfer

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer you naughty naughty German! <3

nima

9:53 AM

@JosephWright @ChristianHupfer Thanks

Christian Hupfer

@nima As @JosephWright wrote -- he should know ;-)

@PauloCereda At your service ;-)

@JosephWright @PauloCereda: @DavidCarlisle will not appear really today here -- He wrote something about 'extended' family meeting :-(

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer David will surely appear, probably stealing the neighbour's wi-fi signal. :)

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer He's travelling today, tomorrow and I think Tuesday

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda ~~Dennis Moore~~ David Carlisle, David Carlisle stealing from the neighbour and uses itself ;-)

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer Lupins?

Christian Hupfer

10:00 AM

@JosephWright No, Wireless Internet Connections ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer give me your ~~lupins~~ wi-fi password and no one gets hurt!

@JosephWright No, I wasn't fast enough!

Ducks are slow! :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda The second time right now -- what's going on? :D

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I am humming the Dennis Moore theme as I write. :)

@ChristianHupfer Ninjas. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Ninja Ducks?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

10:04 AM

@PauloCereda: Is there any MP show about Ducks? Only widely related: Phantomime Goose ...

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Not that I can remember. :) Let's poke @Joseph, for he knows everything!

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Eric the Fish is a fish, apparently and not a Duck ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer halibut! :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Albatross! ;-) Some sort of a \huge duck :-P

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Which flavour is it? :)

@ChristianHupfer Don't you dare! :)

Christian Hupfer

10:08 AM

@PauloCereda It's not a flavour :-P

@PauloCereda: I've been at the cinema last night, I know now ... Han Solo is ....

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer oooooh

Johannes_B

10:33 AM

@JosephWright Would that be a question worth keeping? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/160950/…

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I don't think so

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer The question might be valid, but an answer would be too broad. IMHO

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B unclear rather, in my point of view

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer The question is clear i think, though it assumes that a class file has to be changed to achieve the result. That is simply a bit missing knowledge.

Joseph Wright

10:49 AM

@Johannes_B I doubt it

Rico

11:09 AM

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Q: TextMate \cite syntax highlighting

When I open a LaTeX document in TextMate, the syntax highlighting makes the part in braces in any cite command colored red, as if there is an error: \cite{why-is-this-red} Is there an easy way to avoid this?

citing textmate syntax-checker

what the hell? did they all had a bit to much alcohol yesterday?

Joseph Wright

@Rico Not sure why it has popped up, but I'd say off-topic (design decision for TextMate)

Rico

@JosephWright its definitely not a TeX question ;)

Johannes_B

12:32 PM

0

Q: fontsize=10.5pt with [onehalfspacing]{setspace}

My LuaTeX document isn't compiling anymore as soon as I use a fraction as fontsize in \documentclass[fontsize=10.5pt]{scrartcl}. Compilation breaks at \usepackage[onehalfspacing]{setspace} with the error message Missing \begin{document}.

fontsize koma-script setspace

Selfanswer within the very same minute?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B You can post a question + answer in one go

Johannes_B

@JosephWright As in allowed or does the system technically provides this?

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B As in one of the options when posting a question is to also answer it at the same time: it's quite deliberate

Johannes_B

12:48 PM

@JosephWright This is nonsense i think.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B No, it's there to allow people to add content in the wiki-like sense. As long as it's phrased as a Q&A there's no requirement that you don't know the answer before posting.

@Johannes_B tex.stackexchange.com/help/self-answer

It's OK to Ask and Answer Your Own Questions

Jeff Atwood on July 1, 2011

The FAQ has contained one key bit of advice from the very beginning:

Johannes_B

@JosephWright wiki like content is good, but the system should ensure that others have the chance to answer first.

@JosephWright In the case above, the question does not provide a minimal working example. And the answer is just wrong in general.

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B That's a different matter ...

Joseph Wright

1:09 PM

2

Q: How can I add the Latex on python path?

I'm using Cent OS i386. I got a error message when I use matplotlib python package. RuntimeError: LaTeX was not able to process the following string: 'lp' So, I did yum install tetex. but it still has error. It seems to I must add the path of LaTeX on python. But, I don't know where is LaTeX ...

installing python matplotlib

On-topic?

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B Avoiding the highlevel commands which rely on an integer \@ptsize is not wrong. And if someone has already solved the problem I'm quite grateful if he/she say so instead of letting me spending time on it. I still do find it more important to provide needed answers than to gain reputations.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Indeed: I'm not sure Marcus's comments in the docs for scrhack are entirely fair

yo'

@JosephWright the one in the 1st paragraph?

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer Just looking into setspace.hak. But agreed, reputation is not important.

Joseph Wright

@yo' Yes

yo'

1:16 PM

@JosephWright I'm glad I don't need to feel offended by it.

barbara beeton

@Johannes_B -- there's a misconception in the comments that the theorem and proof mechanism can never be changed in a class file. not true. the ams document classes have the amsthm mechanism built in, with behavior slightly different from what's in the standalone amsthm.sty. so the answer to that is "it depends". but too late, i think, to go back and chime in. (unless someone thinks i should.)

Paulo Cereda

About time Clara Oswald is out of Doctor Who!

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda You don't like the character?

Johannes_B

@JosephWright @yo' @UlrikeFischer Does the following even make sense?

\documentclass{scrartcl}
\usepackage{scrhack}
\usepackage[onehalfspacing]{setspace}
\begin{document}
\KOMAoptions{fontsize=10.999pt}\onehalfspacing \typeout\baselinestretch
\KOMAoptions{fontsize=11pt}\onehalfspacing \typeout\baselinestretch
\KOMAoptions{fontsize=11.001pt}\onehalfspacing \typeout\baselinestretch
\KOMAoptions{fontsize=11.999pt}\onehalfspacing \typeout\baselinestretch
\KOMAoptions{fontsize=12pt}\onehalfspacing \typeout\baselinestretch
\KOMAoptions{fontsize=12.001pt}\onehalfspacing \typeout\baselinestretch

yo'

@barbarabeeton IIRC, "my" journal class modifies amsthm as well.

Paulo Cereda

1:23 PM

@JosephWright To be completely honest, I think she stayed for too long in the show. :)

yo'

@Johannes_B looks "funny" :-)

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Certainly 'non-obvious'

Johannes_B

I mean, i cannot say i ever understood the line spacing issue, but this is more strange than original.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Well you'll be pleased she's gone, then

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Knowing Moffat, I am not sure this will hold true for too long. :)

Joseph Wright

1:25 PM

@PauloCereda Have you seen the Christmas Special?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I did, with River Song. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda I had to google that. She is pretty.

barbara beeton

@yo' -- and presumably loads it first. so the question is unanswerable without an explicit example. (anyhow, it's now closed, and old.)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Saw it last night: I think that is her last appearance

yo'

@barbarabeeton sure it loads amsthm!

Paulo Cereda

1:28 PM

@Johannes_B Yes, just like Martha Jones (Freema I-don't-know-how-to-write-her-surname). :)

@JosephWright Nice episode. I am enjoying Capaldi's acting.

@Joseph: Amusingly, only a few Brazilians like this show. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda Better names than Brigitte i think.

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Bardot? :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda No. Kind of an insider. But only the black forest bloke can understand it :-)

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B ooh where's the Black Forest bloke? :) @ChristianHupfer

Ulrike Fischer

@Johannes_B Well the 11pt is actually 10.95pt, and the 12pt gets a default baselineskip (14.5), while the 12.001 gets a calculated (smaller) baselineskip of 14.40.

Paulo Cereda

1:34 PM

@JosephWright: "An archeologist is just a thief with patience." :)

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer So all those calculations are, more or less, rubbish?

Does anybody have good reading material about line spacing?

Ulrike Fischer

1:47 PM

@Johannes_B No the calculations are imho quite ok. But the three standard options (10pt, 11pt and 12pt) are handled differently by KOMA -- and so have different start baselineskip values (this has nothing to do with setspace) -- and the option name 11pt gives a font size of 10.95pt in all classes. Beside this: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/13742/…

Johannes_B

@UlrikeFischer Interesting, thanks.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer I guess it's a bit 'unexpected'

@UlrikeFischer Notably, 11.0pt acts differently from 11pt :-)

Paulo Cereda

Friends, quick question. How would one use \epigraph do add a dialogue such as:

yo'

@JosephWright wanting anything between 10 and 11 and 11 and 12 is "unexpected" :-)

Paulo Cereda

Times end, River. Because they have to. Because there is no such thing as happy ever after. It is just a lie we tell ourselves because the truth is so hard.

No, Doctor, you are wrong. Happy ever after doesn't mean forever. It just means time. Little time.

How should I typeset this as an epigraph?

yo'

1:55 PM

@PauloCereda how do you typeset other epigraphs?

Paulo Cereda

@yo' \epigraph{Text}{Author}.

Joseph Wright

@yo' Fair enough

Paulo Cereda

\epigraph{---~Times end, River. Because they have to. Because there is no such thing as happy ever after. It is just a lie we tell ourselves because the truth is so hard.\\ ---~No, Doctor, you are wrong. Happy ever after doesn't mean forever. It just means time. Little time.}{Doctor Who, ``The Husbands of River Song``}

@yo': ^^ something like that, perhaps?

yo'

@PauloCereda two epigraphs, each for each direct speech (given they're direct speeches)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Oh one after the other?

Sounds like a good plan!

yo'

1:58 PM

@PauloCereda exactly

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Thanks, Tom! <3

yo'

@PauloCereda you're welcome :)

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright blame the one who added \def\@xipt{10.95} to latex ;-)

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer :-)

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer oooh was it David? :)

yo'

2:01 PM

@PauloCereda everything that contains i's and x's is blamed to him :-)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' LOL

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Nope, it's in NFSS

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Oh

yo'

@JosephWright so older than him. But the only "older than him" is the green square they told me ;-)

Joseph Wright

@yo' Checking latex.tex now

Paulo Cereda

2:04 PM

@yo' LOL^2

Joseph Wright

Set up in 2.09 is different, so probably Frank/Rainer matching Leslie's decisions

yo'

@PauloCereda :)

egreg

3:13 PM

@yo' What green square are you talking about?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg An eco-friendly version of Alan. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda :)

yo'

@egreg lalalalalalalala

egreg

@JosephWright The 10.95pt thing goes back to Knuth and \magstephalf. The usual problem of bitmap fonts only available at certain sizes. Knuth chose steps in geometric progression with ratio 1.2; for approximating 11pt he chose the intermediate step, and the square root of 1.2 is (about) 1.095

Joseph Wright

@egreg Yes, sure: I was tracing back the exact idea of \@xipt which is only in 2e (2.09 has a slightly different formulation)

@egreg Doesn't mean though that 11pt as an option has to work like that: Frank/Rainer could have done things differently for 2e

@egreg Certainly one would imagine for a new format things should be done differently (I'd have to check but can't see Hans have 11 = 10.95 in ConTeXt)

egreg

3:28 PM

@JosephWright They could assume Type1 or OpenType or TrueType fonts, hence fully scalable.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Exactly

Joseph Wright

3:43 PM

@egreg You can guess my L3 plans :-)

egreg

@JosephWright :)

David Carlisle

4:22 PM

@PauloCereda I'm not that old

Johannes_B

You gotta imagine a little penguin dancing while doing the dishes

Cappella - U Got 2 Let The Music (Mars Plastic Mix) 1993 (HD 1080p) FULL EDIT

►

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle We really should make some decisions on LuaTeX v0.85+ :-)

@DavidCarlisle Did you see the LuaJITTeX-related bug report?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright not now, extended family all sitting around soaking up mums internet bandwidth (and the wifi struggling under a shared minecraft world with the nephews and nieces:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

barbara beeton

4:44 PM

@UlrikeFischer -- i'm not sure this is fair. 10.95 is the canonical value for `\magstephalf' (texbook, p.349), which is tex-equivalent to 11pt. has been since day 1.

oh, well, as usual, @egreg got there first.

egreg

@barbarabeeton I may have not been there from day 1, but I studied hard. ;-)

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Joseph Wright

@barbarabeeton Except it doesn't really make so much sense if you have an option for arbitrary font size where any value not 'pre-determined' really is the size given

David Carlisle

@JosephWright but there is no option that does natural size except 11pt=10.95 is there?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle We are talking KOMA, where you can give an arbitrary size but where 11pt and 11.0pt aren't the same!

David Carlisle

@JosephWright never used koma, so in that case we can divert blame away from us:-)

Joseph Wright

4:55 PM

@DavidCarlisle I didn't say it was the team's fault per se (though in 1994 it was clear that scalable fonts were the way to go, generally)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright we had pslatex in Manchester before NFSS/2e (from about 1986, I think:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I was thinking of Adobe Type Manager, but fair enough

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Black Forest Bloke is here ... what's the matter?

cjorssen

5:12 PM

Hello all. May I ask a question about pygments, pythontex and encodings? It seems to localized to fit as a standard question on the site.

Joseph Wright

@cjorssen You can ask ...

cjorssen

Thanks. Well, it seems to be really python related (pythontex won't work, but it seems to be a side effect).

I did a fresh install of a linux distro (bensunlabs, a light debian jessie). I installed all python packages with pip (pip2 and pip3). So I did a sudo pip2 install --upgrade pygments and everything went fine.

But, when I try to use pythontex, I get this UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 147: invalid start byte. This seems to be a common error in different contexts, but I can find a way to fix it in mine.

If it matters, my editor is emacs and the encoding is set to uft-8.

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{pythontex}
\begin{document}

\begin{pygments}{python}
def f(x):
    return x
\end{pygments}

\end{document}

% Local Variables:
% coding: utf-8-unix
% End:

I run pdflatex then pythontex and I get:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/texbin/pythontex", line 50, in <module>
    import pythontex2 as pythontex
  File "/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/scripts/pythontex/pythontex2.py", line 61, in <module>
    from pygments.styles import get_all_styles
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pygments/styles/__init__.py", line 12, in <module>
    from pygments.plugin import find_plugin_styles
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pygments/plugin.py", line 39, in <module>

Joseph Wright

@cjorssen What do the intermediate files look like? I wonder if there is an encoding issue

cjorssen

Here is the s.pytxcode file

=>PYTHONTEX#PYGpython#default#defaultverb#0#verbatim#####7#
def f(x):
    return x
=>PYTHONTEX:SETTINGS#
version=0.14
outputdir=pythontex-files-s
workingdir=.
workingdirset=false
gobble=none
rerun=default
hashdependencies=default
makestderr=false
stderrfilename=full
keeptemps=none
pyfuture=default
pyconfuture=none
pygments=true
pygglobal=:GLOBAL||
fvextfile=-1
pyconbanner=none
pyconfilename=stdin
depythontex=false
pygfamily=py|python|
pygfamily=pycon|pycon|
pygfamily=sympy|python|
pygfamily=sympycon|pycon|

Ulrike Fischer

5:31 PM

@barbarabeeton @JosephWright @egreg I was making a joke regarding the "blaming". 10.95pt as font size is ok, and that they named the size option "11pt" and the file "size11.clo" is easy to understand (and I don't see an alternative, you wouldn't want a size10.95.clo). But you need to know that the name "11pt" is not reliable when comparing font sizes ...

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer For the kernel (where the option is just a string) it's fine, I'm less keen on the KOMA situation

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright Yes, but what should he do? Drop that fontsize=11pt choose the standard value 10.95pt? Force that fontsize=11.0pt sets 10.95pt too while fontsize=11.01pt sets 11.01pt? There is no good solution. The traditional names "10pt", "11pt" and "12pt" have been so long around ...

@JosephWright: I just looked at this question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/284844/…, and thought it could be neat if there were some interface to process (the parsed result of) a S-column content with an user defined function.

David Carlisle

@nima :-)

Johannes_B

5:52 PM

@Rico Have a look at github.com/posquit0/Awesome-CV. When i saw it i believed this to be the love child of friggeri and deede cv templates. In an issue it is called a derivative of fancy-cv, which really is a derivative of friggery (or the same? Can't remember).

Ulrike Fischer

6:50 PM

@barbarabeeton, @DavidCarlisle: Do one of you know the mathematical meaning/use of U+223E (INVERTED LAZY S) (\invlazys in the stix package)?

barbara beeton

@UlrikeFischer -- the notation that i have is that it originated in the sgml public entity sets, with the meaning "most positive". it's identified as a binary relation, but that really does seem peculiar with that meaning. i can't say that i've seen it "in the wild".

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer last time I tried to trace that down it looked suspiciously like an error that got frozen into the original SGML entity sets. (The math characters there were to say the least, under-defined)

egreg

@barbarabeeton According to the Unicode chart, “reversed tilde and lazy S are glyph variants”; this makes me wonder why on earth they don't accept glyph variants for the empty set

Ulrike Fischer

@barbarabeeton @DavidCarlisle: I now found "INVERTED LAZY S with double underline" with the meaning "most positive, two lines below" (whatever this should mean) from a "isoamsb" set (w3.org/TR/2010/REC-xml-entity-names-20100401), so it looks as if it is symbol that should be combined.

barbara beeton

@egreg -- they are accepting the slashed zero, finally. there was a distinct bias against encoding slashed numerals; it was felt that these are simply canceled digits, handled adequately with diacritics. it has taken hours of effort, digging for published examples in which the zero-shape was clearly necessary. the fact that dek chose it also finally had some weight. it's on the february unicode agenda. but in the meantime, mathml is entirely fouled up in this instance.

egreg

7:04 PM

@barbarabeeton Some work for DPC, at last!

David Carlisle

@egreg no that's what Barbara means, I'm not doing the work so even if unicode adds the character ∅, &emptyv;, &emptyset; and &varnothing; will point to U+2205

@egreg @barbarabeeton "the work" to make emptyset and varnothing point to different unicode characters is just too much (and mostly political not technical) and not clearly a good thing as making one of them point to the "new" character means any documents using it suddenly get a missing glyph symbol instead of an emptyset until deployed fonts catch up, which can be years.

barbara beeton

@UlrikeFischer -- you might want to take a look at the stix "master table", linked from ams.org/STIX . the version there is old, but the "isoamsb" set (which was the starting point for the stix collection) is older -- originally intended to be ISO/IEC 9573-13:1990m sgml support facilities, public entity sets for math and science. only charles goldfarb may still remember where it came from. it is among the symbols listed by monotype.

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Joseph Wright

@Alenanno ?

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JNat is offline, my usual luck. :P

Joseph Wright

7:26 PM

@UlrikeFischer At this stage, no change is possible. However, as KOMA uses different font set up to the 'classical' classes it would have been possible to vary this in the early development of KOMA.

yo'

@Alenanno aren't you in top X for the site? I got the same mail for AC.SE, because I'm a top user there

Rico

@Johannes_B not bad. First thing I would change is the red color :D I really like the 2 column style of friggeri. Forkd this one and will have a look later. Had to laugh really hard about your ticket thou ;P

Alenanno

@yo' Yeah, but I'm having trouble (as usual) with the fit guide.

It's not very self-explanatory.

yo'

@Alenanno US sizes --- what's not self-explanatory in that? (Almost) every T-shirt you get around the world has US as one of the listed sizes...

Alenanno

@yo' It doesn't specify US sizes, just numbers without any reference. Look:

districtclothing.com/fit-guide

yo'

7:38 PM

@Alenanno The letters above are US sizes (S, M, L, ...)

Joseph Wright

@Alenanno Oh, that's easy then: they are in inches

yo'

the numbers are in inches of course

Alenanno

So they are supposed to be around the torso?

Or across from armpit to armpit?

Joseph Wright

@Alenanno 'Chest' is around the torso over the nipples

(For men)

Alenanno

@JosephWright I see, well that helps. Usually I'd take a L, but I've noticed american L sizes are like... huge.

Ok I'm exaggerating there, but yes, they're bigger than what I'd expect.

yo'

7:41 PM

@Alenanno indeeed, EU "L" is about US "M"

Alenanno

@yo' You've had the personal experience? :P

yo'

@Alenanno yep. Also, most my T-shirts show "US L / EU XL"

Alenanno

@yo' I measured and I'm convinced, M it is. :D

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I don't think that there was ever a good moment, the fontsize option came rather late in the KOMA history.

@barbarabeeton thanks I passed your remarks to the question on d.c.t.t.

yo'

8:23 PM

@barbarabeeton open a champagne :-)

Johannes_B

@Rico I really don't feel the need to puzzle for hours with snippets of some guy trying to reproduce something with a copyrighted class that is a spin-off of two or three other templates that all share the same naming convention.

@Rico If you are in the mood to improve friggeri, fel free to do so: github.com/VelNZ/FriggeriCV branch and PR as usual

barbara beeton

@yo' -- it is worth celebrating, but i think i'll wait until the evidence actually appears in utr#25 (the math support report). (thanks for the encouragement, though.)

yo'

@barbarabeeton you're most welcome

Johannes_B

@Rico Just now i noticed, that Vel included the original copyright statement.

nima

8:51 PM

@DavidCarlisle :)

barbara beeton

@cfr -- i'd like to address your comment regarding tex.stackexchange.com/q/284756, "the principled refusal to even consider accepting metadata in a standard format". i don't think it's really that. as i said in another comment, publishers, even those invested almost exclusively in (la)tex, are doing minimal maintenance, finding other things to be more important (i.e. more likely to enhance their bottom line). i've been fighting for literally years just to get bugs fixed. (cont'd)

(cont'd) it's hopeless. ask me for the gory details, sometime over a pint of cider. (that's assuming that we might meet sometime at a tex gathering.)

yo'

9:07 PM

@cfr @barbarabeeton I'd add one thing: AMS is one of the few journal publishers who even have LaTeX professionals (in the true meaning of the word -- excelling in LaTeX rather than just working with LaTeX), if you consider me to be a professional, then the small journal I work for is another example. Outside this, finding a professional is like winning in a lottery!

@ChristianHupfer The second half of this comment wasn't aimed at you specifically, just to say

Christian Hupfer

@yo' It was misleading then.

yo'

@ChristianHupfer sorry for that.

Christian Hupfer

@yo' no further worries about that ;-)

Paulo Cereda

10:18 PM

@barbarabeeton ooh I am waiting for @Joseph to host one in UK. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Seems unlikely at present

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Same here. :(

Paulo Cereda

10:32 PM

indesignsecrets.com/adobe-drops-fonts-leaves-users-stranded.php

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda What has Adobe ever done for us ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

10:47 PM

Any CTEX experts around? ;-)

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Johannes_B

11:05 PM

@ChristianHupfer Scheiß Weiber! written while mildly drunk. :-)

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Er... what' s the matter?

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer Message from B.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B I think this is not the right place here, although I know your grudge (a little bit)

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer As i said, little bit drunk.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Well, you should go offline then? ;-)

cfr

11:42 PM

@barbarabeeton Hence in principle. 'It will cost resources we better use for other things' is not the same as rejecting the possibility as such, even if it amounts to the same thing in practice. Saying you would reject a standardised format for metadata as such is not the same as saying that you would reject any standardised format for metadata for other reasons. Even if the other reasons are simply that it would require change. I'm objecting to the first, but I think you're defending the second?

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