@JosephWright Daily spammer: tex.stackexchange.com/users/59159/ling

@SvendTveskæg: Why did you decide this post "Looks OK"?

@ChristianHupfer Old Times: youtube.com/watch?v=LpHgG4jILa0

Here's another question for the chat :) Mixing expl3 with TikZ` seems to give problems: when using angles in TikZ … to (36:1cm) the colon is not the same as TikZ expected, since \ExplSyntaxOn turns it into a letter. Are there any official workarounds? Something like \usetikzlibrary{expl3} or similar? My solution is just define outside \ExplSyntax… a basic \def\tikzangle#1#2{#1:#2} but I was just wondering...

@Manuel Yes: don't mix code level (expl3) and document level (TikZ) stuff

Okey, so I will stick to (0,0) to (\tikzangle{36}{1cm}) :)

And another one more on the TikZ side: \draw (0,0) to [ out = 0, in = -90 , looseness = ω ] (1,1) ; gives a curve… is it symmetrical? for whatever looseness ω is it the same if I change the path to start from (1,1) and end in (0,0)?

England: 7-0 (4.1 overs)
India: 295 (91.4 overs)
Venue: Lord's

I know that everybody was anxious to know. ^^^^

@egreg I was wondering when we'd get your update. Let's hope we score before a man is out. You don't want to report 7-1 to @PauloCereda...

@DavidCarlisle Hey! :)

Phew!

England: 13-0 (7.4 overs)
India: 295 (91.4 overs)

how exactly does this scoring system work?

who's winning?

@izabera intermain.org.uk/john/what_is_cricket.php

@izabera hard to say who's winning in cricket until the end;-)

England lost one wicket.

@izabera it wasn't so long egreg had to ask the same question when shown a scorecard, only reason he spends so long here is to pick up cricket knowledge, see:

@izabera Besides it's just the second day of a five day match.

wow 5 days?

@izabera India is playing a test series in England all summer that's 5 tests of 5 days each (the first was a draw)

this must be the second slowest paced game after go

@izabera it wouldn't feel slow paced if you stood in the middle with a rock hard cricket ball coming at you at 100mph :-)

@DavidCarlisle Quite

@DavidCarlisle Facing pace is down-right terrifying

@egreg oops

@DavidCarlisle India seems to have grown a habit of making wickets to fall.

@egreg "5 days" might be an over estimate of how long this is going to last:(

@DavidCarlisle Don't despair: 31-2 is not so bad, it could be worse. ;-)

Cricket is exciting. :)

@PauloCereda Yup

@JosephWright At Lord's! :)

@Johannes_B: Thanks for that link: I am more a fan of true Sixties, Jefferson Airplane, Doors, Hendrix etc.

But nice anyway! :D

!!/cricket

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Sri Lanka 283/9 * v South Africa 455/9
- England 51/2 * v India 295/10
- Zimbabwe 89/2 * v Afghanistan 223/9
- Unicorns 208/7 * v Sri Lanka A
- Gloucestershire v Surrey
- Leicestershire v Durham
- Yorkshire v Warwickshire
- Lancashire v Derbyshire
- Northamptonshire v Worcestershire
- Glamorgan v Essex
- Hampshire v Sussex
- Kent v Somerset

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.

Wow.

@egreg: Unicorns! :) ^^

!!/answer 100 miles to kilometers

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

convert 100 miles to kilometers
160.9 km  (kilometers)
160934 meters
1.609×10^7 cm  (centimeters)
86.9 nmi  (nautical miles)
 ~~ (0.7 to 1) × length of the Annapurna Circuit (a trekking route around Mt. Annapurna in Nepal) ( 160 to 230 km )
 ~~ length of the Thirlmere Aqueduct (world's longest tunnel) (~~ 154 km )
 ~~ 28 × length of a single Formula One lap ( 3.2 to 26 km )
 ~~ 4.1 × greatest height above the Earth from which a human has jumped ( 39045 m )

@PauloCereda: You have definitely too much spare time ;-)

@ChristianHupfer :)

!!/eightball Do I have too much spare time?

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook not so good.

!!/fortune

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Someone's going to find a bug in your code.

o.O

@PauloCereda: Just one bug? :D

!!/fortune

@ChristianHupfer Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Argh! Don't eat me!

!!/fortune

@ChristianHupfer Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Argh! Don't eat me!

Is there a command list of this chat fun

!!/list

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm able to recognize the following commands: help, list, cricket, song, fencing, basketball, baseball, ctan, texdef, search, eightball, fortune, battle, reputation, answer, translate, choose. You probably noticed that all commands must start with !!/ followed by the command name, didn't you? Splendid!

:)

!!/help

@ChristianHupfer Psmith, the TeX bot: Good morning! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!

I am scared: Paulo has multiple personalities ;-)

@ChristianHupfer No we don't. :P

@PauloCereda: Are you both sure? :D

!!/eightball Am I sure? :)

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: talk to my lawyer.

@PauloCereda: Coward, hiding yourself behind a lawyer :D

!!/battle

@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 165 vs. 85 David. So far, egreg is winning.

@egreg wow!

@PauloCereda David's too busy watching cricket.

@egreg Indeed.

!!/fortune

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Someone's going to find a bug in your code.

Meh.

!!/fortune

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: You love Chinese food.

The last time I went to a Chinese restaurant, they had duck! I was scared for life. :(

!!/battle

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 165 vs. 85 David. So far, egreg is winning.

@PauloCereda: The number of Chinese restaurants not offering duck is very low :-(

@ChristianHupfer Uh-oh.

@PauloCereda: Rather go to some Indian restaurant, there is chicken and fish, but very few duck on the menu

Are font encodings (not unicode) modeled after ASCII glyph encodings, such that for Latin alphabets upper case characters are always 32 places ahead off the corresponding lower case character, e.g. 'A' (65) --> 'a' (97)?

@ChristianHupfer No.

@ChristianHupfer It's so for the unaccented characters in Cyrillic and Greek

!!/answer unicode 65

@egreg: Thanks

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Unicode | 65
Latin capital letter a
1st letter (26th letter from the end)
ASCII | 65   (hex: 41  |  octal: 101  |  binary: 01000001)
Unicode | U+0041 (decimal: 65)
texts | anywhere in words | 8.2%  (ranking among letters: 3rd)
dictionaries | anywhere in words | 7.8%  (ranking among letters: 4th)
  | beginning of words | 5.7%  (ranking among letters: 7th)
English  |  Spanish  |  Portuguese  |  Indonesian  |  Malay  |  French  |  German  |  Javanese  |  Turkish  |  Italian  |  ...

Another wicket fell.

!!/cricket

Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Sri Lanka 283/9 * v South Africa 455/9
- England 91/3 * v India 295/10
- Zimbabwe 192/3 * v Afghanistan 223/9
- Unicorns 237/10  v Sri Lanka A 13 *
- Gloucestershire v Surrey 38/1 *
- Leicestershire v Durham
- Yorkshire v Warwickshire
- Lancashire v Derbyshire
- Northamptonshire v Worcestershire
- Glamorgan v Essex
- Hampshire v Sussex
- Kent v Somerset

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.

@PauloCereda Planning tomorrow's tour: Ljubljana, then Kranj and then up to Austria towards Klagenfurt.

@egreg How nice! How's the weather?

@PauloCereda Sunny and hot.

Meanwhile another wicket fell.

@egreg Yay! :) We have a cold and gloomy day. Wanna trade? :)

@PauloCereda No, thanks. And an Italian is leading alone the stage at the Tour de France: it's almost at the end, a 17 km climb to 1700m.

@egreg Woohoo! :)

@PauloCereda Unfortunately he couldn't make it. :( Caught at 13 km to the arrival.

@PauloCereda s/David/egreg/ in that last line

@DavidCarlisle No. :)

@PauloCereda Now another Italian is leading the stage, he's already wearing the maillot jaune

@PauloCereda And a hundred years ago today, Gino Bartali was born. One of the greatest cyclists.

@egreg Wow!

I've included longtable inside \begin{table}...\end{table} in order to add caption to the table. The longtable was very large, few pages long. Latex complain that it is too large! when I removed the \begin{table}.....\end{table}, then it worked. Is this a known limitation?

Here is the start of it:
%\begin{table}[!htbp]
%centering
\begin{longtable}{|l|lll|lll|}\hline
&\multicolumn{3}{|c|}{Mathematica}&\multicolumn{3}{|c|}{Maple}\\\hline
\#&solved&cpu&leaf&solved&cpu&leaf\\\hline
\endhead
......
\end{longtable}
%\caption{title here}
%\label{table:2}
%\end{table}

I had to comment those lines above.

@Nasser it's not a limitation it's the whole point of the code:-)

@DavidCarlisle sorry, not following. The long table is 1000 lines long. About 10 pages or so. Is one not allowed to use it inside \begin{table}....\end{table}? thanks

@Nasser longtable implements caption directly (as it does say in the documentation) (\centering can't affect a longtable either)

@Nasser a table environment is a box that is floated and inserted in a page, it never breaks

@DavidCarlisle I see. I did not know. I just copied the code I used before for tabular, and replaced it with longtable.

Ok, thanks. That helps to know.

@Nasser you know it doesn't hurt to read at least the start of the package doc (caption is in the third sentence)

@DavidCarlisle Reading documentation? How rude. :)

@PauloCereda I know, sorry.

@DavidCarlisle <3

@David, @egreg: any updates on the cricket match?

@PauloCereda I went do some shopping and a wicket fell. ;-) I guess that England will be ahead at the end of the first innings.

:)

Hmm, another wicket!

England: 214-6 (82.4 overs)
India: 295 (91.4 overs)

@egreg Oh for pity's sake

@egreg That often happens: usually the Shipping Forecast is when the wickets fall

@egreg ...I miss cricket. This chat room is about the only feed I get on what's happening.

@Werner We are pretty accurate, albeit I have no bloody idea of what a wicket is. The wicked wicket of the west.

:)

@JosephWright Shops should be closed when a Test is being played.

Play is suspended, tomorrow I'll be on tour, so somebody else should take care of the news.

@PauloCereda Yes, that is dubious. It's both the area that the batsman run around on, as well as the ||| they guard...

@Werner Oh my!

@PauloCereda And what falls are the bails (see picture). But of course, a wicket can fall also while remaining perfectly steady.

@egreg Oh!

@PauloCereda That's different from a player, who must be in to be not out. ;-)

@egreg My brain hurts. :)

Hi, which file contains the definition of the \section command? I couldn't find it in latex.ltx ?

@1010011010 The class file, usually.

Thanks!

look who's here!

@DavidCarlisle Seen!

@egreg even older than you

@egreg Brazil woooo!

@DavidCarlisle Do you know his birthday? It seems we're pretty close.

@egreg no just age as reported in profile yes you're close to each other and much older than me:)

@DavidCarlisle Oh, yeah! Definitely much older!

@PauloCereda it's too hot here (see also picture of watching cricket at Lord's) bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28361254

@DavidCarlisle Wow! 29.5C?! That's cold. :P

Nah, it's warm. :)

Good evening

@PauloCereda They're just amateurs: less than 30 ℃ is far from hot.

@egreg :)

@ChristianHupfer In regard to your earlier question, today is a good day. How's your package coming along ? Can I see a sneak preview or something ? I'm quite interested how it turned out so far.

@1010011010: Well, I went back to the basics, trying to define some kind of an abstraction layer for sections etc, making the linking forward/backward etc. later one easier instead of doing Flickschusterei (German for kludges, i.e. turning one screw forward, meaning to turn another one backward)

@1010011010: And apart from TeXing I have a girlfriend, a job, we want to move back to the countryside etc. There is a lot of other 'things' distracting me ;-)

@ChristianHupfer I'm just guessing as to whether you work faster or slower under pressure.

@1010011010: That depends on the source of the pressure :D

Not much word traffic this evening

@ChristianHupfer Need some interesting read?

seriouseats.com/2012/08/…

@Johannes_B: Hopefully it has nothing to do with ducks, this would make Paulo mad/sad

@ChristianHupfer No ducks ;-)

@PauloCereda wikihow.com/Raise-Ducks

@ChristianHupfer Do you have anything visual planned yet ? I am currently also doing a problem / solutions project, it uses the gridleno layout (which I really like) - but I haven't decided yet on the typographic layout (suggestions welcome guys~!). Especially the layout of the answer (demarcation with lines ? Different colours ? A tcolorbox maybe? I am at wit's end.

@1010011010: Some screenshots are on my profile here, let me look for a working pdf file, I have made some change recently and I am not happy with it ;-)

It looks nice! Very interactive. Do you use the acrobatmenu feature or javascript or something ?

@Johannes_B \expandafter\duckegg :)

@PauloCereda :-)

@1010011010: No, just hyperlinks at the moment. I will do later on (if I get it finished, before I retire, say in 25 years :D)

@ChristianHupfer Tomorrows lunch? Heart stew :-)

@Johannes_B: Ein erfrischendes Wüürrrrrg :-P

@ChristianHupfer Tasty, very tasty :-)

@ChristianHupfer Let me guess, you like chefkoch.de/rezepte/790011182339242/…

@Johannes_B: Why do you think that? :D

@ChristianHupfer Because i hate that.

@ChristianHupfer Tote Oma is one of the most disgusting things i know.

@Johannes_B: "Perverser Fleischtopf" is perhaps there too? :D

@ChristianHupfer Ooh, that sound good. Can you link a recipe?

@ChristianHupfer chefkoch.de/rezepte/318381113571975/Perverser-Fleischtopf.html I should give it a try.

@Johannes_B: I have no idea, whether it is there, it was once presented in a German TV cooking show and tested/tasted (;-)), the result was: it tasted awfully

I guess this is probably my fault -:) (Finish LaTeX3, then have the new galley handle this sort of thing)

@JosephWright Don't you like my workaround?

@1010011010: See on my 'blog' page, a sample pdf, wordpress-spielwiese.siebenfelsen.de/?page_id=150, but there is some problem currently with the frames and some chapter/section and living column titles, so there is work to do

@Johannes_B: I am not a fan of that show, but here apparently is a video: kabeleins.de/tv/abenteuer-leben-taeglich/videos/…

@egreg No problem with workaround

@ChristianHupfer Thanks, found it myself already. I should watch it before trying it out.

@JosephWright It also seems to fix other issues. I'm waiting to know what it breaks. ;-)

@Johannes_B: My advice (although never tried it myself) Don't use that recipe :D

@ChristianHupfer I'll keep you posted ;-)

@ChristianHupfer At a first glance it looks really nice!! And it reminds me of something I made earlier. (With the help of TeX.SX of course.)

@egreg I'm not complaining: just saying that the issue of 'weird' space combinations is one of those on the L3 list

@1010011010: Well, thanks, but you don't see the configurability of colors etc, whether there are solution links, all possible for each box, not just for the whole file. You can do immediate ship out and easily rename the boxes, all with its own namespaces and bookmarks works too.

@Johannes_B: I am looking forward to your report on that recipe :-P

Yes, me too I found that source code versus final document are two different worlds.

Guys, going to bed now. Have a nice time.

@Johannes_B: Thanks, you too

@1010011010: One 'big' problem is the replication of the 'chapter' structure for the solution stuff.

@ChristianHupfer Are you also using your own class ?

@1010011010: No

It is just scrbook at the moment

@1010011010: The problem/solution boxes are done with tcolorbox, but without using the saving possibilities of that package.

@ChristianHupfer Ah scrbook. I'm a sucker for article because it's nice and plain, define everything yourself and all. :-)

@ChristianHupfer So what exactly is it you're trying to replicate? Do you want each problem to show up in the ToC?

@1010011010: The ''package' works for 'article' too, since I basically do not use real KOMA features and there is a query, whether the chapter and part counters are available or not

@1010011010: The problems are not shown in the document structure ToC, but in a List of Problems, as well as List of Solutions

@1010011010: Imagine a (huge) textbook, say on Physics, with, 20 chapters, each having sections, and problems to be solved by pupils/students. The problems should be typeset right at the corresponding section/subsection, not at the end of a chapter, in my point of view, although this would be possible too with additional problems, of course.

@1010011010: Now I want to provide a solution book as well, with exactly the same structure of chapters, sections etc, but since I am lazy, I don't not want to it manually, I let LaTeX do it, replicating the initial document structure.

Sounds like a job for a shared aux file? :D

@1010011010: Yes, if there are two separate documents ;-) I give a 'problem' file to my students, as .pdf, and some weeks later, they get a combined 'problem/answer' file, from one run.

Oh you want to generate two pdf's from one document?

@1010011010: Yes, of course, in two different runs, I have a driver .tex for that, inputing the individual chapters etc and depending on the switch, I generate the smaller or the larger one.

@ChristianHupfer Have you considered a über-boolean with \ubertrue and \uberfalse?

@1010011010: Not yet

That's how I'd do it. You could even use something that would automatically count the number of runs, and every even run it would produce the solutions, and every odd run it would produce the entire textbook.

Or differentiate between the first and the second run, say if something was already written to the aux during the first run, it would produce solutions only . . . .

@1010011010: I will try to upload a case study ;-)

I don't know what that is, but it sure sounds official!

@1010011010: In a few moments ;-)

@1010011010: See the new content on my Download site

@ChristianHupfer So if I understand it right you want to make this differentiation through section hacks?

Or is it just a showcase of your document structure?

Consider a concept of problems/hints/solutions/ideas/concepts/explanations or whatever. All belonging together and being connected by a problem, example etc. Each should be unit should be usable as a separate file or as appendices of one (giant) file, so it would be nice, if the driver structure (in the example file it is the problem unit) would be replicated in each of the other units automatically, the content designed for unit A, B, C is splitted as well.

@1010011010: I do not change the original definition of the standard sectioning commands, neither for the driver nor for the driven units. I won't call it 'hacks' ;-)

@1010011010: I have written code for chapters and sections, but I work at the generic command ;-), doing it for parts, chapters, sections, subsections, subsubsections etc . as well.

@1010011010: It is a showcase of the current state of that other package, also connected with the section links, but it is working independently of my problem/solution package

Oh I thought you'd just change the section commands. Sometimes I code pretty dirty with logic trees and \if@undefined. I thought you meant that.

Oh, work's calling. This may take a moment.

Go ahead ;-)

@1010011010: There is actually one (major) change in the sectioning commands: The optional argument is not used any longer for the short toc entry, but for configuration, using key values

@1010011010: Starred sections/chapters can be added to the toc easily, using the optional argument (which was not there before) and the bookmark title can be changed independently from the toc entry, regardless if \section or \section* etc. If some section should be hidden in a specific unit, it can be omitted, without destroying the logical structure and hyperlinks, i.e. the section counters are increased anyway.

@DavidCarlisle: If you guys use vim, you would have no problems like this. :P

@PauloCereda: It is hardly imaginable, that guys use (X)Emacs withou AUCTeX? I never needed that

@ChristianHupfer Well, since I don't use emacs, I don't know the use. :P

@PauloCereda: You won't miss it :D

@ChristianHupfer Wow, you sound like a vim user. :)

@PauloCereda: I don't like TeXMaker and LyX either ...

@PauloCereda: I know some basics of vi(m), but I rarely use it :-P

@ChristianHupfer Hopefully you know how to quit vim, don't you? :)

@PauloCereda: No, I am lost in vi(m) since years, never getting out of it... :q! ?

@ChristianHupfer Apparently David doesn't know how to quit vim (I'm failing to find the proof in our images archive). :)

@ChristianHupfer killall vi might be easier. :)

@PauloCereda: Yes, but it keeps me awake with awk etc :D

@ChristianHupfer Oh. :)

@PauloCereda: You defiled this chat using the term "..WORD"

@ChristianHupfer We are good, actually. :)

!!/eightball Did Paulo defile the chat

!!/list

:D Not working

@ChristianHupfer Hold on, Psmith is sleeping. :)

!!/help

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good night! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!

@Christian: have fun. :)

@PauloCereda: Ah, just one of your personalities is asleep:D

!!/fortune

@ChristianHupfer Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: An ice cream a day keeps the bugs away.

I have no bugs in my code, honestly :D

Well, sleeping is a good catchword: I should go to bed. Good night to everybody here

@ChristianHupfer Good night! :)

@PauloCereda: See you ;-)

!!/choose LaTeX, MSWord

oh no, psmith's asleep again! although we know what the answer should be... :D