TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2014-05-13 (page 1 of 2)

12:13 AM

@egreg I'm feeling a little better, thanks. :) But I'm still pretty sick at the moment. At least I got some work done today. :)

Sean Allred

12:30 AM

@DavidCarlisle You should do that with expl3. Break just about every existing package. :)

egreg

6:31 AM

Experimented the immediate closure for duplicate.

0

Q: exchanging the performance of ":“ and "\colon"

I have seldom touched on the proportion of elementary mathematics, so I want to make the default definition of : represent the command \colon, and in turn make the default definition of \colon represent the punctation : (a binary relation symbol). For example, I could input $f:A\to B$ instead of...

math-mode

Joseph Wright

7:50 AM

@egreg Be careful with this!

How do people feel about the new vote-as-dupe thing?

As a mod I'm used to having a casting vote on this, but the result for me is I very rarely vote for closure unless it's extremely clear: most often with OP feedback

It looks a bit to me like some other features that get added: targeted at the needs of SO (lots of duplicate questions)

egreg

@JosephWright Yes, I realize it. But this case was really obvious.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Don't worry, I'm not saying this was not a dupe

egreg

@JosephWright I added a longer comment

Joseph Wright

@egreg Good plan

egreg

8:29 AM

SPAM: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/176878/…

Thomas F. Sturm

@DavidCarlisle Hi David, I just tested your code you sent me by email in the night. I found no problem and no side-effects with other tcolorbox applications! Thank you very much!! :-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Did you see the c.t.t post draftmark and new float packages seems to conflict and followup? Looks like Frank has managed to break something too!

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Thomas F. Sturm

@DavidCarlisle I intend to update tcolorbox quickly with your suggestions for tabularx. Has anything new come up that should set my on hold? If not, I will prepare an update for today or tomorrow. Thanks again for your help!

David Carlisle

@ThomasF.Sturm well after sending that mail I went to bed, then woke up, came to work and just logged in, so so far nothing bad that I know about:-)

@JosephWright no I gave up on ctt a whil eback...

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Missing DocStrip guards in fixltx2e mean that the float fix code ends up in fix-cm!

@DavidCarlisle Spotted by Ulrike Fischer: we are promised a LaTeX-L mail

Thomas F. Sturm

8:43 AM

@DavidCarlisle I thought so :-)

David Carlisle

@SeanAllred well of course that's how expl3 started: when I started with latex3 code it was in a format with no \def no \show no ...

@JosephWright oops

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I'm minded just to fix, but don't know if this requires a version change

@DavidCarlisle Still does in format mode :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I don't think it needs a format change but it's a matter of how best to get it out (and in to TL)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle No, version in the fixltx2e .dtx: I'm not clear on how that's handled

@DavidCarlisle It's in base, so that requires a full upload I think

Argo

Morning

Is it possible to add an entry to the ToC while not having it appear in the document?

topskip

8:51 AM

@Argo I think \addcontentsline should do that

Torbjørn T.

@Argo \addtocontents{toc}{stuff} or \addcontentsline{toc}{section}{fake section heading}. See also tex.stackexchange.com/questions/10188/…

Argo

9:16 AM

Thanks

Argo

9:35 AM

Hmm the numbering is off now

David Carlisle

@Argo well either it'll come right on the next latex run, or you did something wrong:-) (it can take a few runs as adding to the table of contents can affect the page numbers unless your front matter uses a different number sequence

Argo

Hmm a few runs more didn't fix it

I'm using \addcontentsline{toc}{section}{Appendix}

The subsections are generated from pdfpages' addtotoc option

David Carlisle

@Argo well impossible to tell from a screen shot of just the toc which numbers are wrong. You probably need to make a real example and ask a question on site

Argo

I'd like the appendix to have "2" attached to it (just like "introduktion" has "1") and the subsections that in the screenshot are 1.9 to 1.22 to be 2.1 to 2.13

cgnieder

@JosephWright There are new rules?

David Carlisle

9:50 AM

@Argo well did you use \section*{Appendix} or \section{Appendix} sounds to me like you used the first but wanted the second, then you would have had a number and a toc entry and subsectiosn would use the number

egreg

@cgnieder See chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/15487893#15487893

102

A: Increase close vote weight for gold tag badge holders

Update: this is now enabled everywhere! The rules are: You can instantly close as a duplicate any question that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for. You can instantly reopen any question closed as a duplicate that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for....

eiterorm

@Argo Try checking out the appendix package.

cgnieder

@egreg I see, thanks... so no changes for me ;)

David Carlisle

10:11 AM

@JosephWright well obviously I shouldn't be trusted on tabularx questions, I only have a bronze badge for that.

egreg

10:35 AM

@DavidCarlisle Can you be trusted on anything? :P

@PauloCereda Hi, how are you today?

Joseph Wright

@egreg I'd missed before that it only applies to topics which you have the gold badge in: I thought it was 'if you hold a gold badge generally'. Rather more restrictive in most cases! (Outside of SO, getting gold tag badges is pretty challenging.)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Buongiorno! I'm feeling better. :) And you?

egreg

@PauloCereda Fine, thanks; the weather's good after a storm yesterday night.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh my! We are getting a very cold weather, but it's very dry, no sign of rains for a long time.

egreg

@JosephWright By the way, I'm missing a gold badge: according to the data shown below, I should have earned it for tex-core

Joseph Wright

10:41 AM

@egreg Nope: wiki answers!

@egreg Hover over and you'll find you've got 199 answers that count

David Carlisle

10:59 AM

@egreg no

@PauloCereda could you translate "cold weather" into numbers?

@egreg withheld as you don't deserve it, probably.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle hmmm how about 10C?

Actually 10C is very cold.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda Ah OK that is chilly, I thought you were going to say 25 or something:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I have a friend living in the north region of Brazil that would say that for sure. :)

egreg

11:26 AM

@PauloCereda My link to weather forecasts tells me 28 degrees are expected in the day.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh! :)

egreg

Paulo Cereda

11:46 AM

@egreg Very cold! :)

egreg

Gonzalo report: -102 (and rep capped for the day at 230). Party tomorrow!

David Carlisle

12:21 PM

@PauloCereda 10 is cool 14 is quite summery 20 is sweltering hot

egreg

12:59 PM

@DavidCarlisle This reminds me when I lived in Sicily and we had two weeks over 40 degrees at the end of May and beginning of June.

eiterorm

1:12 PM

Does anyone here know how I can override the default font in KOMA-script for a description list? \addtokomafont{disposition}{\rmfamily} only overrides the font for titles and body text.

egreg

@eiterorm \setkomafont{descriptionlist}{\rmfamily\bfseries}

@eiterorm The table with the names of the “komafont” elements is 3.2

Paulo Cereda

1:38 PM

@DavidCarlisle There's a city 4 hours from here which 45C is a common weather. :)

@egreg Wow!

egreg

@PauloCereda In winter time?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Yep. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Nice place to live in.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg 45C is a little too much, I guess. :)

Stephan Lehmke

@PauloCereda Only on top of the volcano probably.

Paulo Cereda

1:45 PM

@StephanLehmke I once went there for a course. I almost melted. :)

Stephan Lehmke

@PauloCereda Humidity is also probably much higher than in Sicily.

egreg

@StephanLehmke Have you ever tried 40+ degrees caused by sirocco wind? That was the problem.

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke It is. In here, our winter is usually colder than in the state capital usually because the high humidity level.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda everyone here is becoming an expert in Brazillian weather, need to practice excuses when we lose at football as apparently it might be a bit warm

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Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Well, last year's confederation's cup played a trick on Italy, putting them to play in Salvador at 1PM. You don't play at 1PM in Brazil, and specially in Salvador! :)

David Carlisle

1:51 PM

@PauloCereda yes that's the kind of excuse we're practising. Apparently some of the England games are scheduled for European TV convenience rather than the health of the players:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

Woohoo, got me a nice reading!

amazon.com/Logic-Computer-Arithmetic-ivan-flores/dp/0135400392

CS people might remember this jewel. :)

@DavidCarlisle I heard that all games will be 7PM (local time).

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda just reporting gossip from the cricket pages, may not be accurate about football:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle LOL

eiterorm

2:24 PM

@egreg Thanks for the reference. descriptionlabel is the name of the element. =) However, it seems I'm not allowed to use small caps for the description label ("font shape undefined"). Does anyone know why? The font does indeed have small caps.

egreg

@eiterorm Example?

eiterorm

My bad. Small caps are defined. Bold faced small caps are not.

egreg

@eiterorm Either small caps or boldface, not both. Bold face small caps are an aberration. ;-)

eiterorm

@egreg It does make perfect sense in my situation. However, seeing as latin modern doesn't really have small caps (typographically speaking), I can achieve the same effect by reducing the font size instead.

egreg

@eiterorm I beg to disagree: boldface small caps make sense in no situation whatsoever. ;-)

eiterorm

2:34 PM

@egreg For initialisms, small caps are preferred. For a description list bold faces emphasize the keywords. Not using both at the same time will either break the one convention or the other.

But "luckily" I can achieve the same thing by reducing the font size.

Preferably, though, latin modern should have a dedicated small caps type, not just downscaled big caps.

egreg

@eiterorm It has, albeit only at 10pt design size.

eiterorm

@egreg It has only a single font of the type, and it is at 10pt? That is practically useless. And how do I invoke it?

egreg

2:50 PM

@eiterorm \textsc{Abc}, what else?

eiterorm

@egreg Seeing as \textsc/\scshape normally gives me the downscaled big caps, it makes sense that the proper small caps font requires a different command. Mixing proper small caps and downscaled big caps does not sound like a good idea.

egreg

@eiterorm No, it isn't.

@eiterorm Small caps are not the same as downscaled capitals; here's an example

\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{lmodern}
\begin{document}
\textsc{abc}\fontsize{9}{0}\selectfont ABC
\end{document}

As you see, the strokes on the right are thinner.

And \textsc doesn't use downscaled capitals. At least for fonts having true small caps. What font are you using?

eiterorm

@egreg Latin modern. I was under the impression that the font didn't actually have a small caps type. But your example indeed shows the contrary. I don't know why I had the idea that there are no small caps for latin modern. Perhaps it's the spacing. I guess I'll play around with it and study the differences. Thanks.

@egreg For the example I mentioned above (description list with intialism keywords), the best solution I've found for now is to use \bfseries \footnotesize for the initialism keywords to emulate a thicker small caps font. Do you have other suggestions?

subham soni

3:33 PM

anybody there

how do I change the font

of a particular text in the document

eiterorm

@subhamsoni What do you mean by changing the font?

topskip

"Any user can have a document in any font that he wants so long as it is computer modern roman." (Henry Ford, 1922)

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subham soni

thanks got the answer

I meant

this

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{mathpazo}

\begin{document}
Text in Palatino

{\fontfamily{ptm}\selectfont
Text in Times%
}

\end{document}

eiterorm

@subhamsoni Ah. For the LaTeX compilers, there isn't too much freedom in changing the typefaces, but there are a few packages available. tug.dk/FontCatalogue

1010011010

Hi. Any fancyhdr gurus in here?

eiterorm

3:40 PM

@subhamsoni If you want to use other typefaces you have on your computer, you should look into XeTeX or LuaTeX.

subham soni

Sure Sure

:)

@1010011010 whats the issue. I may not be a guru

but i can help you

1010011010

@subhamsoni There's something wrong with imgur, but I'll try to explain without the edits. See i.imgur.com/laQGv52.png?2.

The white space between the headrule and the text is larger than the text and the footrule.

Surely I'm not the only one to dislike this kind of inconsistency?

subham soni

It would be nice if there is an MWE @1010011010

egreg

@eiterorm Don't use boldface. ;-)

subham soni

I have an issue

shall I post a question

or paste it here

egreg

3:48 PM

@1010011010 What class are you using?

1010011010

David Carlisle likes to keep the chat clean to talk about ummm... cricket and football it is?

subham soni

hmmm k will post a question

egreg

@1010011010 For David only cricket is worthy talking about. Maybe also Lego.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg And longtable bugs. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Also tabularx, recently. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

3:50 PM

@egreg ooh! :)

1010011010

@egreg He did explicitly mention something in relation to one's holiday. If you're referring to the documentclass: it's article. If you're referring to the other class: I forgot what class that was. :-( Sorry

eiterorm

@egreg But if I'm not to use boldface, how do you suggest I emphasize the keyword?

egreg

@eiterorm It sticks out in the margin, doesn't it?

Cortizol

Hi guys. I have this problem i.imgur.com/86DCxb3.png. Is this some bug? If not, how to fix it?

1010011010

@Cortizol Have you tried the same options in this syntax: \usepackage[<options>,<more options>]{geometry} ?

Stephan Lehmke

3:58 PM

@Cortizol I think "a4paper" and the "total" option specify the same thing, so one gets ignored.

Cortizol

@1010011010 No, I didn't. I found that example somewhere on net.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda features

Cortizol

@StephanLehmke Yes, you are right. Now everything is all right. Thank you

subham soni

David Carlisle

I should read what @StephanLehmke writes:-)

subham soni

4:01 PM

The text here

Cortizol

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that was problem. (removed) :)

subham soni

is not centered vertically

:(

whats the issue

source code tex.stackexchange.com/questions/176969/…

Stephan Lehmke

@subhamsoni Using a rule on a text line is always tricky as baselineskip gets in the way.

Maybe some sort of box or tabular?

David Carlisle

@subhamsoni once the errors in your original are fixed as in egreg's answer then the rule is sitting on the baseline of the 1st and 3rd of three lines, so it is naturally closer to the top of the letters.

@subhamsoni the top gap is baselineskip- the height of M, the second gap is baselineskip - height of the rule

Stephan Lehmke

Possible hotfix: \rule[.5\baselineskip]...

David Carlisle

4:09 PM

@StephanLehmke I think the logically consistent approach is to use 2pt letters to match the the height of the rule...

Cortizol

I have 1 Bad Boxes in my .tex, but I couldn't find it. I think is something relate with comment barbara beeton here tex.stackexchange.com/questions/50830/… (because I have one picture, and I have some problems to put in on right place). Document looks alright, but I would like to delete that bad boxes...

egreg

@subhamsoni I've added how you can get equal spaces around the text between the rules

I think the last significant change to the counter code in LaTeX was around 1985, I'm not sure if you consider that as recent. — David Carlisle 4 mins ago

David Carlisle

@Cortizol do you mean barbara's comment about not making the picture wider than the text?

@egreg It doesn't seem that long ago to me

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Yesterday, or so.

Cortizol

@DavidCarlisle Yes. But if there is no simple solution, then forget about it, because in pdf you can't see that picture is wider than the text, so I can live with that.

egreg

4:17 PM

@1010011010 Are you really sure you want rules on top and bottom? I find it good for obituaries, not for books or papers.

eiterorm

@egreg Not in the margin, no, but if I make the running text start a line below, the running text will be indented. Either way, though, I think it looks better with boldface emphasis.

David Carlisle

@Cortizol well there is a trivial solution in that case, just don't do it: \begin{picture}(200,100) is 200pt wide, so makes an overfull box if the textwidth is 180pt, in which case do \begin{picture}(180,100) instead

subham soni

tex.stackexchange.com/questions/176969/text-is-not-centered/…

@egreg

I have 2 doubts

egreg

@subhamsoni Fire off

subham soni

\hrule height 2pt \vspace{3pt}

Cortizol

4:21 PM

@DavidCarlisle I have something like this

\begin{wrapfigure}{r}{0.3\textwidth}
\centering
\vspace{-20pt}
\includegraphics[width=1\linewidth]{tablica}
\vspace{-40pt}
\end{wrapfigure}

I read on Wiki that this is not best solution for my problem (to put picture on right and text around it), but I did it like that anyway.

tablica is name of .png picture.

1010011010

@egreg I may or may not remove the rules entirely but the inconsistency would remain, especially visible I might add, if I use both of any \fancyhead or \fancyfoot commands to place text there.

subham soni

when height is specified (the total height of the rule) then y we need vspace?

secondly

David Carlisle

@Cortizol ah that's unrelated to barbara's comment by "picture" she meant \begin{picture} not \includegraphics

subham soni

What is the purpose of \medskip?

1010011010

@egreg Furthermore, the lipsum package is excellent for putting an obituary on display

egreg

4:23 PM

@subhamsoni That's the thickness of the rule; \vspace{3pt} is the vertical space below the rule. In the second rule they are reversed. Then I added \medskip to distance the other part.

Cortizol

@DavidCarlisle All right. But anyway, you think that bad boxes is maybe from this part of code?

subham soni

Then I added \medskip to distance the other part.????

couldnt follow you

David Carlisle

@Cortizol the negative spacing looks very suspect (do you have spurious white space in the image? but that wouldn't make overfull box but the other text might, if it can not linebreak the text into the remaining 70% of the \textwidth

subham soni

@egreg

egreg

@subhamsoni To have some space between the bottom rule and “Department of Physics”.

David Carlisle

4:25 PM

@Cortizol but TeX always tells you exactly which box is overfull in the log, if you can't recognise it from the abbreviated display add \showboxdepth100 \showboxbreadth100 to your preamble and look again

subham soni

for that we have \vspace{6pt}\hrule height 2pt right @egreg

egreg

@subhamsoni No, the \vspace{6pt} is above the rule.

Cortizol

@DavidCarlisle Here it is how it looks in pdf i.imgur.com/PiagiN0.png. Okay, I will see now what that tells me.

I am who I say I am

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subham soni

Wait its confusing @egreg

David Carlisle

4:29 PM

@Cortizol doesn't look very over full, what is the log message?

subham soni

\hrule height 2pt \vspace{6pt}

Joseph Wright

13

Q: Reverse order of words in a string inplace

The Task You are given a mutable string that matches [a-z]+( [a-z]+)*. You must mutate it into the string which contains the same words, but in reverse order, so that "hello there everyone" becomes "everyone there hello". You are not permitted to use more than a constant amount of additional me...

code-challenge algorithm

subham soni

this draw a horizonta rule

Joseph Wright

What's all this 'string assignment' rubbish?

\def\foo#1{\fooauxi#1 \relax{}}
\def\fooauxi#1 #2\relax{%
  \ifx\relax#1\relax
    \expandafter\fooend
  \else
    \expandafter\fooauxii
  \fi
    {#1}{#2}%
}
\def\fooauxii#1#2#3{%
  \fooauxi#2 \relax{#1 #3}%
}
\def\fooend#1#2#3{#3\unskip}
\foo{Oh how I wish you would say you can see}
\bye

egreg

@subhamsoni \vspace{3pt} (add some vertical space); \hrule height 2pt (draw a rule 2pt thick); \medskip (add some vertical space).

subham soni

4:29 PM

of height 2pt

Cortizol

@DavidCarlisle It says: Underfull \hbox (badness 1000) in paragraph at lines 71--77. And that is exactly that part of code that I sent you. But, like I said, I can live with that one error.

subham soni

yup got it @egreg

is it possible to change the default value of \medskip

?

egreg

@subhamsoni Use \vspace{24pt} or whatever

David Carlisle

@Cortizol oh so it's underfull not overfull so no way I could tell that from the image as you had clipped out the text:-) An overfull box would have meant a word could not be hyphenated and sticks out at the right, underfull means that white space between the words had to stretch too much

subham soni

\medskip not \vspace

egreg

4:34 PM

@subhamsoni \medskip is \vspace{\medskipamount}, a fixed distance. You can use whatever distance pleases you with \vspace.

subham soni

hmmm got it :)

David Carlisle

@Cortizol 1000 isn't very bad actually (if you use \sloppy then LaTeX allows 9999 without warning (that can be a lot worse:) the default tolerance is 200 which is when it starts to warn.

egreg

@JosephWright The \unskip is ugly. ;-)

Cortizol

@DavidCarlisle Well, I don't see that big white space between the word, so it's probably something really small. And everything looks all right when you read pdf, so readers won't see that problem. I will keep that secret for me :-) Thank you for all! :-)

Sean Allred

And @Werner with God-Mode for {math-mode} tags.

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Werner

4:49 PM

@SeanAllred ...I was just going to say... this is now in effect:

95

Q: Increase close vote weight for gold tag badge holders

In order to increase the efficiency with which poor quality questions are closed, it could make sense to have weighted close votes for a small subset of qualified users. A very good way to measure the qualified users would be to leverage the tag badges. However, it needs to be rationally limite...

feature-request status-review vote-to-close

That felt weird...

...but to me it was a clear duplicate.

...still feeling weird...

Sean Allred

@Werner It looked weird. "Marked as duplicate by Werner."

It was a clear duplicate, I was just getting ready to vote to close.

David Carlisle

@Werner I'm waiting for someone to ask a question about helping their grandmother, I'm sure I've got an appropriate badge to mark that as duplicate.

Werner

:D Only if it was tagged grandmother...!

Sean Allred

Is there any way to get @Stirling's attention for his question? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/103504/… I'm itching to make an answer, but I'm stuck on what kind of syntax would be 'flexible' enough.

Werner

5:04 PM

@SeanAllred The only way would be to ping via a comment. All comments on the question is received by the OP.

Sean Allred

To Stirling, wherever you are: i.imgur.com/bewsPnF.gif

Joseph Wright

@egreg Yes, give me a second

@egreg Probably more in the style required:

\def\foo#1{\fooauxi#1 \relax{}}
\def\fooauxi#1 #2\relax{%
  \ifx\relax#1\relax
    \expandafter\fooend
  \else
    \expandafter\fooauxii
  \fi
    {#1}{#2}%
}
\def\fooauxii#1#2#3{%
  \fooauxi#2 \relax{ #1#3}%
}
\def\fooend#1#2#3{\fooendaux#3}
\expandafter\def\expandafter\fooendaux\space{}
\def\test{Oh how I wish you would say you can see}
\edef\test{\expandafter\foo\expandafter{\test}}
\show\test

@egreg Of course, all that's needed is 'some expandable approach' to get a score of 1, at least as I read the rules

David Carlisle

5:31 PM

can anyone help Peter with bookmarks (he asked me, he said page=2] didn't work so I suggested here, he's the father of ctan:-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/177002/bookmark-package

Joseph Wright

5:45 PM

@DavidCarlisle Spotted the name :-)

@DavidCarlisle As my comment says, needs a MWE

1010011010

\newenvironment{lines}{
\begin{trivlist}
\item\par\begingroup\nobreak
\kern0pt\parindent0pt\hrule\kern6pt
\nobreak\obeylines\everypar{\strut}\endgroup
}{%
\item\par\begingroup\nobreak
\kern0pt\parindent0pt\hrule\kern-5pt
\nobreak\obeylines\everypar{\strut}\endgroup
%\renewcommand*\familydefault{\rmdefault}
\end{trivlist}
}%

Where to put \begin{lstlisting} and \end{lstlisting} to make that one work?

Even using an etoolbox hook like AtBeginEnvironment doesn't do anything :-(

egreg

@DavidCarlisle So he's older than you?

1010011010

Or is it because lstlisting reads the braces verbatim?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes:-)

@egreg even older than you

henry

Hi.

Man... sometimes I hate LaTeX. The never ever disappearing iterations of the document to get a figure and possible footnotetexts on the same page, it'll drive me insane one day. I'm sure of it.

So how has your day been?

David Carlisle

5:53 PM

@JosephWright looking at updating tabularx for that tcolorbox clash (even though it's not needed now) do you think I can put 15 consecutive \expandafter into production code... Not obvious how to avoid that...

@henry Just remember latex is fine, it is the users that are the problem.

henry

@DavidCarlisle Haha. Luckily there is !h though I feel bad for using it.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Wow!

David Carlisle

@henry you should feel doubly bad. Using h on its own is an error waiting to happen, and using ! is a sign that you have set the float parameters incorrectly

@egreg but he did set up the "Aston archive" which was a founding host of ctan before it moved to Cambridge when he retired.

henry

@DavidCarlisle Yet it seems to be only way so far to have my magical error with externalized pgfplots figures go away and have the footnotes on the right page

Did it only 2 times so far though

@DavidCarlisle Would a non-float be better then?

David Carlisle

@henry well latex doesn't support footnotes from floats, so if you need page footnotes from the float (why?:-) then you need some kind of hack but ! says "ignore the constraints" but since the constraints are user-setable this means you are specifying to ignore your own rules, rather than change the rules. If it is a one-off, OK but people do it habitually which makes no sense.

henry

6:05 PM

@DavidCarlisle Ah, I see. Well, I have actually never used ! before so 10 minutes ago was the first time actually. Haha. :) Why? I need to cite every source and I would like to stick to citations in footnotes rather than the on in square brackets.

@DavidCarlisle I put the footnotemark in the caption to the float.

Ok I omitted the !. Its description reads to ugly. I think a few h's are fine but I might just make them a non-float, who knows.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: I almost forgot: today is Our Lady of Fatima. :)

David Carlisle

@henry The problem with h is not that puts the float inline but that it means not top not bottom not float page, so if the "here" position falls low on the page so the figure does not fit, then it has no where to go. In latex 2.09 the system would then take all figures to the end of the document. LaTex2e issues an error and changes it to [ht] but its best to use [htp] anyway

@henry what is supported in latex is to put a minipage in the float and use \footmark then the footnote tex comes at the end of the minipage and floats with the float. If you put footnotemark in the float and footnotetext outside it you either have to know it doesn't float of know which page it floats to, to know where to put the footnotetext. It's just the way it is (without rewriting most of the latex format)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Post it please. :)

cgnieder

@PauloCereda on texwelt.de there is a new arara fan... I have to write rules for him (although I don't know what I'm doing...) Quite fun.

@PauloCereda BTW: I read you were sick? Are you better?

Heiko Oberdiek

6:25 PM

@DavidCarlisle I have written an answer with an example.

henry

@DavidCarlisle Wait, what? Wow, I have never heard of that before. Yet all these years in LaTeX...

Will try that immediately.

@DavidCarlisle Thank you so far anyway. :)

David Carlisle

@HeikoOberdiek Thanks:-)

@henry never head of which bit minipage?

henry

@DavidCarlisle Hm, did you accidentally leave out a word by any chance? :) But I use minipages quite often. But the method to put a graphic, footnotemark, footnotetext inside a minipage inside a float never dawned on me.

Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder ooh link please! :)

@cgnieder Ah I'm in recovery mode now, thanks. :) Let's see if I can survive. :)

cgnieder

6:44 PM

@PauloCereda texwelt.de/wissen/fragen/5140

@PauloCereda Good to hear :)

@PauloCereda or maybe texwelt.de/wissen/themen/arara

Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder Wow!

Henri Menke

@cgnieder "although I don't know what I'm doing" - Sounds like a lie ;)

cgnieder

@HenriMenke :) I open existing rules and look how things are done there and then adapt to the new situation... a bit of trial and error

Henri Menke

@cgnieder I recommend reading the manual of arara. It has a great part on rule-writing.

Also the dedication is quite funny :)

cgnieder

@HenriMenke I know :)

Henri Menke

6:58 PM

@cgnieder BTW, thanks for the fast embrac fix!

cgnieder

@HenriMenke you're welcome. Was easy with your help

henry

@DavidCarlisle Just realized that I probably reacted too swiftly. Embedding the footnote in a minipage leads to rather unusual result and it is not that useful I must say. :/

Paulo Cereda

7:45 PM

@cgnieder We have easy rules: tex.stackexchange.com/a/165311/3094 :)

cgnieder

@PauloCereda :) Indeed!

David Carlisle

@henry ?

egreg

8:01 PM

Ten “Good Answer” badges in a few minutes. I guess there will be a “serial voting reverted” note tomorrow.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Likely

David Carlisle

@egreg -3000 again:-) That would be nice

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I'm out of votes, but that was a couple of hours ago. :)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle It was -4800 or something.

David Carlisle

@egreg even better

egreg

8:04 PM

Actually -4360

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Q: Serial upvoting reversed

I've already asked about a similar situation, but this time the figures involved seem to be quite exaggerated: on my reputation page the following item appears: -4360 Serial upvoting reversed The other time the nullified votes were 63, this time 436, which is what a user can vote in eleven ...

bug status-completed reputation

The real loss was of 30 points, to much dismay for David. :P

Paulo Cereda

Gotta love some of my citations: Vlăduţiu

:)

Werner

...a bit more telling:

Wow, really, the upvotes were seconds from one another...

...some trigger-happy supporter.

...of course because you're brilliant, @egreg... nothing else.

David Carlisle

8:19 PM

@Werner not me, I promise!

egreg

@Werner <3

Gonzalo Medina

9:16 PM

I did what I could today, but the party will have to wait until tomorrow which is a really busy day for me; you guys can start the party without me :)

egreg

@GonzaloMedina -27, good!

@GonzaloMedina I guess that in less than three hours we'll have a new 200K user!

Gonzalo Medina

@egreg Ah, true. I forget that my day and the site day are in different time zones.

egreg

@GonzaloMedina It's just 4:30PM in your time zone, I believe.

eiterorm

9:31 PM

What are the rules for bumping questions on this site? (Editing a question will bump it.)

Gonzalo Medina

@egreg You're right.

egreg

@eiterorm If it's an old question and the edit is minor, don't do it. If it's a link to fix, or a serious mistake, or other valuable correction, do it.

@GonzaloMedina I googled for “time in Bogotá”. ;-)

eiterorm

@egreg It doesn't need editing at all. At least not until someone requests some more information. Usually people are very quick to respond here, but this question hasn't received any attention for several hours, so I started wondering if I could bump it if it receives no attention at all.

Gonzalo Medina

@egreg I don't live in Bogotá, but Colombia has just one time zone.

egreg

@GonzaloMedina That's what I thought. I don't have a very deep knowledge of Colombia, I'm afraid.

Gonzalo Medina

9:42 PM

@egreg That's something that requires immediate action ;) Next year there's a Maths Congress in my city; you could attend.

egreg

@GonzaloMedina What's the topic?

Gonzalo Medina

@egreg Since it's a National Congress, it doesn't focus on just one topic; your areas (Algebra and Education, I believe) are surely included, so there's no excuse.

egreg

@GonzaloMedina :)

tohecz

@GonzaloMedina do you have the webpage?

Gonzalo Medina

@egreg What do you specifically work on Algebra (and in Education), if I may ask?

egreg

9:46 PM

@GonzaloMedina Module theory. In Education I mostly teach.

eiterorm

Does everyone of you super-users have PhD's? =P

tohecz

@eiterorm what superusers do you mean? :)

Gonzalo Medina

@tohecz Apparently, our Sociedad Colombiana de Matemáticas still hasn't update the info for next year Congress, so there's no URL yet. As soon as I have a link I'll let you know.

eiterorm

@tohecz The ones with a lot of reputation who seem to answer, moderate or comment half the questions on this site (which is highly appreciated work, btw).

tohecz

@eiterorm I think most of them have PhD's or are half-way through

@egreg is a professor, @Joseph has got a scientific university position

eiterorm

9:52 PM

@tohecz Ok, I'll get back to my puny master's degree, then. =P

tohecz

@eiterorm you'll get there too! :)

Werner

@GonzaloMedina: Countdown to 200K...

eiterorm

@tohecz A PhD? I won't. Not in my country, anyway. At least not in my area of studies unless another uni. starts a similar programme.

Gonzalo Medina

@Werner -12 now ;)

egreg

@GonzaloMedina I'm afraid I can't accept your answer to my question. :P

Werner

9:54 PM

@GonzaloMedina That's 1 accept (vote) + 2 downvotes on answers...

eiterorm

Hmm, one of my questions has a bounty, apparently. What does that mean?

(It's already answered.)

egreg

@eiterorm That you or someone else offered a prize.

David Carlisle

@eiterorm you could always offer a bounty that is the stackexchange mechanism explicitly to enable questioners to highlight questions that have not gained attention but the q is only 12 hours old, you should leave it a day just to give all timezones a chance to see it before worrying that it hasn't been answered.

Werner

@eiterorm See the Help Centre: What is a bounty?

Gonzalo Medina

@Werner Wouldn't that leave me 1 point short?

eiterorm

9:56 PM

@DavidCarlisle I'm guessing that was a reply to what I wrote a few lines up. I didn't think of bumping it only 12 hours in. I was just wondering about the rules. =)

Werner

@GonzaloMedina Oh yes, 3 downvotes, sorry. :)

@GonzaloMedina: Remember, don't go over 200K... that would be ridiculous. Just keep downvoting to maintain the 200K level, exactly.

David Carlisle

@eiterorm yes well timing is relevant egreg's answer assumed you meant bumping a historic question on to the front page, that's discouraged, but edits and clarifications to a question on the first day you asked it are perfectly normal.

eiterorm

@DavidCarlisle Ok, so I could bump it in a few hours, even though I don't think it needs any editing? And then, if the second round doesn't get any attention, I start a bounty?

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