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12:32 AM
 
@egreg I see... you have enough guru badges to support this. :)
 
@egreg you gotta love the missing \ there :)
 
12:54 AM
@tohecz Fossils don't know about \item
 
@egreg so it is a purpose? :)
 
@tohecz I guess it's just a typo.
 
ok. well, I gotta go to bed. 4 nights with a ssssssleepbag :)
 
 
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2:02 AM
texstudio is ok now that I figured how to disable some of the annoying automatic highlighting it had. I like the autocomplete feature (wonder if emacs has that also). Saves me having to look up the correct syntax each time. Also figured how to do the live preview with it. This helps alot. I am now writing more raw latex on my own and using SW less and less.
may be even one day I will do everything in plain latex and not use GUI.
 
 
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3:11 AM
An Unix sh people around? The following leaves a trailing space and I can not seem to eliminate it even with sed 's/ *$//':
for i in abc def; do B=echo -n "${i:0:1}" | tr "[" "[:upper:]"; echo -n "${B}${i:1} "; done
Output is "Abc Def " (with a trailing space).
 
4:12 AM
I seem to have a different shell version; at least I'm getting syntax errors.
 
4:43 AM
@StephanLehmke Oh that is for bash shell.
 
@PeterGrill I have bash, but I get complaints about misplaced [:upper:] or something.
 
@StephanLehmke I am getting a syntax error now too!! Did Unix suddenly change since I posted it - I swear it was working then.
 
@PeterGrill Maybe some `` was gobbled by the chatroom.
 
@StephanLehmke Hmmm... That is probably more likely I think. :-)
Ok try again: for i in abc def; do B=`echo -n "${i:0:1}" | tr "[" "[:upper:]"`; echo -n "${B}${i:1} "; done
@StephanLehmke Ok, the one I posted now has the proper escapes, and yes the backticks were being gobbled.
 
Still "misplaced [:upper:] construct" :-(
Maybe I have an outdated version.
 
5:01 AM
@StephanLehmke I am on Mac OS 10.9.1
 
@PeterGrill GNU bash, Version 4.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
 
@StephanLehmke How about if you put this in an executable file:
#!/bin/bash

for i in $1; do B=\`echo -n "${i:0:1}" | tr "[:lower:]" "[:upper:] | sed 's/ *$//'"\`; echo -n "${B}${i:1} "; done
and then <executable file> "abc def"
For me it returns "Abc Def " (with trailing space).
 
I had to remove the `\` before the ``, but now I can reproduce the result.
The cause is clearly the space in echo -n "${B}${i:1} ". If I leave it out I get no spaces at all.
TBH, I have the feeling this whole approach is awkward if you care about where the spaces are (for instance, double spaces are reduced to single ones). Technically, you need to check whether you are in the last iteration of for (dunno how) and not output a space in this case.
 
5:27 AM
@StephanLehmke Hmmm, seems this time the backticks did not need to be escaped... Yeah I just figured that part out - I think I should be able remove it outside of this script. Thanks for your help.
 
5:48 AM
@StephanLehmke Yep, eliminating the trailing space outside of the script works great. Again, thanks for your help...
 
 
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7:58 AM
Today I'm travelling to SP again. :)
 
 
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10:29 AM
I have used LaTeX today! Hooray.
 
@topskip never mind, you can use Word at the weekend to recover from the shock.
 
@DavidCarlisle actually, I have word installed...
 
@topskip so do I:-)
 
11:28 AM
@JosephWright The change in the comment is OK; but the flame about a name is just stupid. I'm under the impression that the user has several identities here.
 
11:50 AM
@egreg I'll check on that
@egreg Agree it's very strange to complain about from where I look, but these things might be different if you live in that part of the world
 
@JosephWright Or if you don't live in that part of the world. Anyway, I guess it's solved. You probably know who I'm referring to.
 
@egreg Yes
 
secret discussions in public always seem more interesting
 
@DavidCarlisle Are you feeling excluded?
 
@egreg :-)
 
 
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1:58 PM
Meow.
 
2:23 PM
@PauloCereda Quack.
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@egreg awwwww <3
 
2:48 PM
hi folks, how to use parameterized style as follows?
\documentclass[tikz,border=12pt]{standalone}
\tikzset
{
	helper/.style={color=#1!50,line width=#2},
	helper/.default={blue,12pt}
}

\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}
	\draw[helper] (0,0) -- (2,2);
\end{tikzpicture}
\end{document}
 
3:05 PM
@PauloCereda Meow
 
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@TheLastError Long time no see.
@PauloCereda Meow.
 
@JasperLoy Oh my honey! :-)
 
@TheLastError Are you studying or working now?
 
@JasperLoy studying.
@JasperLoy: Where are you?
 
3:54 PM
I've never heard of this before. See the second answer here:
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Q: Peerage titles in the author field in BibTeX

JeffI am citing "The Theory of Sound" by John William Strutt (more commonly known as Baron Rayleigh). How should his name appear in the author field in BibTeX? Currently I have: @book{Ray94, title = "The Theory of Sound", author = "John William Strutt, Baron Rayleigh", year...

 
@AlanMunn I'd seen a TUGBoat on this (don't actually seem to have the right issue!): not sure it's actually that good a plan as the biblatex experience is that the real devil is at the LaTeX level
 
@JosephWright Yes, that may be true. My first impression was that this would be a great interface to biblatex itself. I like the idea of the higher level abstraction that the templates provide.
 
@TheLastError I am here now.
 
@AlanMunn To me, look very much like the biblatex drivers but without the various hooks that allow for things like tracking citations (ibidem, ...). I've not looked carefully enough to be sure, and I'd welcome PLKs input
 
@JasperLoy OK.
 
4:04 PM
@TheLastError Who is it in the picture?
 
@JasperLoy Not me.
 
@JosephWright Yes, I'm sure it's nowhere near as sophisticated.
@TheLastError Really? I thought all your pictures were of you. I'm disappointed. :)
 
@AlanMunn He or she is very secretive, till now nobody knows anything about him or her, lol.
 
@AlanMunn Yes. She is not me. Sorry making you disappointed. :-)
 
@TheLastError I have changed my email again, but I guess you don't need it.
 
4:12 PM
@JasperLoy :-) What are your activities recently?
 
@TheLastError None, only trying to get better, as usual.
 
@JasperLoy I see. Please mind the platform gap. :-)
 
Ah, I just realised that tikz has a version 3 now.
So now there are two ways to plot, one using pgfplots and another using the implementation in pgf itself...
 
4:34 PM
@JasperLoy tikz documentation has been updated, now the code is clickable.
 
@TheLastError Anyway, the graph plotting in pgf is still limited, so one still has to use pgfplots for now.
@TheLastError I thought you use pstricks?
 
@JasperLoy i just begin learning TikZ for the sake of annotation needed when I compile the main input file with pdflatex and for the sake of beamer.
 
@TheLastError I see. You can always use powerdot, lol.
 
I want to use microtype, beamer and pdflatex. So TikZ is really needed.
 
Well, you can always use auto-pst-pdf, haha.
 
4:44 PM
any diagrams that I can externalize are drawn by PSTricks, the remaining will be drawn by TikZ.
 
What book are you writing?
 
Mathematics, Physics, computer programming.
Plus electronics.
Annotation in Equations, texts should be drawn by TikZ.
 
OK, bye.
 
Using PSTricks for annotation will break the cross referencing in equation numbers.
@JasperLoy OK bye!
 
@AlanMunn You remind me I need to chase my copy of TUGboat, though :-)
 
4:49 PM
@PauloCereda in German, but... anyway
It has ducks in it :)
 
5:37 PM
I don't understand why Herbert added youtube links in the first 2 examples here:
 
5:54 PM
@JosephWright is there any possibility in l3keys to test if a given key belongs to a certain group?
 
@cgnieder \keys_if_exist:nnTF?
 
@egreg no, I don't want to test if a key exists but if it belongs to a certain group as assigned with .groups:n
 
@cgnieder I see; it seems useful, anyway.
 
6:33 PM
Would this question be on-topic here?
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Q: Why is the Provides field in the local Debian package ignored (DepCompareOp)?

qbiI'm running Debian sid and want to use TeX Live from CTAN. So I didn't install the Debian texlive-packages, but created a virtual local package with equivs. You can find the control file below: Section: misc Priority: optional Standards-Version: 3.9.4 Package: texlive-local Version: 2014-1 Main...

 
6:55 PM
@cgnieder If we're just posting duck comics… poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/little-duck
 
@MichaelMrozek No, sorry: needs Debian knowledge, not TeX expertise
 
@JosephWright Ok, thanks
 
@cgnieder Not at present, but doable. Use case?
 
7:23 PM
@JosephWright While re-writing chemnum for v1.0 I tested groups as it has options that logically belong to different components of the package. I now have options that can only be set with \cmpd (and similar commands) but not with the setup command (they are filtered with \keys_set_filter:nnn). I had the idea that I wanted to give a warning in case such an option is used with the setup command... since those are keys belonging to group A but not group B a conditional seemed a logical idea.
 
 
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8:49 PM
Sorry for the late notice on the session for tomorrow: only just realised it was upon us!
 
9:12 PM
@JosephWright Yes, I must pay again for the train monthly fee.
 
@egreg :-(
 
@JosephWright And on Monday the second semester is starting. Only two courses, if I don't count the one on LaTeX.
 
@egreg do you teach a lot of LaTeX courses? And how do you like teaching them?
 
@egreg For me this seems an odd time for a semester to start :-)
 
@MichaelMrozek Yes, I looked at that. Really not obvious what is going on.
Sorry if I incorrectly suggested that it be migrated here.
 
9:42 PM
@egreg plenty of time earn points finding missing % then?
 
@FaheemMitha Once a year
 
@egreg Seems familiar
 
@JosephWright We have October to January and March to June
 
@egreg Like I said, seems odd :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle For that just less than a minute is enough
 
9:47 PM
@JosephWright whereas starting a year in September is completely normal?
 
@DavidCarlisle October, but yes
@DavidCarlisle At least for most of us weeks don't start on a Thursday
 
@JosephWright oh yes for big people, not if you are 10:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle In olden years we didn't have semesters; courses started in November and ended in May.
@JosephWright Only summer starts on Thursday and, if you're lucky, it ends on Friday.
 
@egreg :-)
 
10:22 PM
We should ask Leslie for the source for research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/lamport/pubs/proof.pdf :-)
For reference:
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Q: Make a command start new line in a list if it is not currently at the end of another list

I Like to CodeI am trying to typeset a structured proof as demonstrated by Leslie Lamport in his paper How to Write a 21st Century Proof. In particular, I am trying to typeset Figure 3 (shown below). My code and the output is shown below. \documentclass[12pt,letterpaper]{article} \usepackage{amsmath} \use...

I see Leslie is using MiKTeX
 
@egreg Ok.
 
10:42 PM
@JosephWright As Werner says, \par is what's needed.
 
10:55 PM
I wanted to ask question on main board, but thought to check if it makes sense? how does one measure the quality of the pdf file generated by pdflatex from same source, but on 2 different platoforms, or on same platform, but using different texlive versions?
I am asking, because I think the pdf file I am getting is not good. i.e. does not look sharp as it should be, and the quality I think should be better. But have no way to quantify this.
here is an example: Same sources, one build using miktex 9 on windows, and one build is texlive 2013 on linux. one pdf file is little larger than the other
 
@Nasser It sort of makes sense but almost certainly the difference in pdftex version is not the issue as the differences are so slight. More likely you are picking up different fonts, use pdffont utiility or the acrobat font menu and check what you have
 
@DavidCarlisle thanks, but even if I figure how to use this utility and it tells me some font names, I would have no idea what all this means. I was looking for some simple one number to use, to tell the difference in "quality" between the two files. But may be there is no such thing. Will try pdffont now and see what it says.
sometimes also the screen resolution also can cause the pdf file to look bad, but when it printed it is ok?
may be there is a pdf diff tool! will look into this.
 
@Nasser igore the names look if you are using different font formats eg type 3 rather than type 1
 
11:18 PM
Looks like Meta.SO had a BBQ...
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Q: Let's burn down the close queue!

Shog9So, this happened: Fuzzy the number of questions in the close review queue, a dopamine for the shutterers Now, only questions with at least 4 votes/flags are listed in the close review queue. If you're thinking, "that's crazy!" THEN YOU'RE RIGHT! This dramatically reduces the utility of the queu...

...and burned all their 100K+ close vote queue...
 
@DavidCarlisle i've run pdffonts on the 2 pdf files (one by miktex and one by texlive). I put the resulting 2 lists in this text files here 12000.org/tmp/fonts they have same number of lines (so same fonts) and counted same type 1 fonts in both.
so looks like same name fonts are used on windows (by miktex) and linux (by texlive).
 

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