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7:09 AM
GuITmeeting about to start
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7:34 AM
@egreg Cool
 
 
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8:42 AM
@egreg Yay!
 
8:55 AM
10 hours ago, by tohecz
Hello ducks! (and people, too...)
:)
 
9:18 AM
@tohecz awwww <3
Quaaaaaaaack.
@egreg: Hi! Live from Verona?
Downloading Yosemite now.
 
9:33 AM
@PauloCereda sorry, was away again and gotta go again :)
 
@tohecz Oh no! :(
 
@PauloCereda yes, for some shopping first, and then to meet with my Czech friends here for sushi :)
 
@tohecz ooh sushi. :) Have fun, Tom!
 
9:52 AM
@paulo me too in Verona! :-)
 
@FrancescoEndrici Hi Francesco! Yay!
@Francesco: ready for the meeting?
 
We have also Claudio Fiandrino, directly from Luxembourg
 
Ready! We have already had the first coffee break!!
 
@egreg ooh!
@FrancescoEndrici ooh food.
 
And now a priest is speaking! Power of LaTeX and church!
 
9:58 AM
@egreg: any livestreams?
@FrancescoEndrici Really? That's awesome.
@Francesco: I can't wait until he meets his holiness Gregorio I, the TeX pope. :)
@Francesco: ask him what editor he uses. I always wanted to know what editor a priest uses. :P
 
10:14 AM
@paulo emacs!
 
@FrancescoEndrici o.O
 
10:45 AM
@FrancescoEndrici Obviously.
I love Jean-Michel's color changing slides: the color is always unpredictable.
 
@egreg :-)
 
11:05 AM
@egreg I think it was Seamus who had some sort of colour scheme for beamer. You set the initial and final colours, and the in between slides were fun. :P
 
 
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12:15 PM
@PauloCereda No beamer, hand made pages in Preview
 
@egreg Wow!
@egreg: any photos?
 
 
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2:18 PM
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Q: How many man-years does it take to implement TeX?

luser droogWhen I first posted messages to comp.lang.postscript about my efforts to write a postscript interpreter I was informed that it takes approximately 5-10 man-years to write a fully-compliant level-3 interpreter. And I misread it as 3-5 years and happily set about my task. And after 5 years, thinkin...

OT IMHO.
 
 
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3:46 PM
@PauloCereda Did you look at @Jims profile message?
 
4:12 PM
@PauloCereda Same here: took ages to install (as reported by Dick Koch: copies all of the TeX tree somewhere)
 
4:42 PM
Is there any idle physicist here?
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Q: Can a box on a frictionless rotating table rotate?

In PSTricks we trustI am trying to digest the following problem. Suppose a block of mass $m$ lying on a horizontal, frictionless turntable is connected to a string attached to the center of the turntable, as shown in figure below. According to an inertial observer, if the block rotates uniformly, it underg...

 
 
3 hours later…
7:20 PM
@JosephWright: Could this be happening again?
 
7:32 PM
Are \ and \space exactly the same if \frenchspacing is active?
 
@Manuel Is their meaning the same?
 
@percusse Nice counterquestion :) I'm really bad using \show and \meaning.
 
@Manuel Mee too. You can just look at the log file. Write \show\space then activate the french spacing and write it again and look at the log file definitions.
 
@Werner Until review reviews are possible, this will never change.
 
@percusse It shows nothing, or at least something I don't know what means -> .. By the way, there's no `\ defined in latex.ltx (which is where I usually go first) hence my question.
\ might be a primittive?
 
7:44 PM
and space is defined as \def\space{ }
 
@tohecz Thanks. Okey, so they are not the same… but are they the same? I mean, when using \frenchspacing can I use one or another? What's the real point of \ versus \space?
 
@Manuel Found it
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Q: Usage of LaTeX macro \space (compared with \␣)

Lover of StructureOccasionally I find that internal package code contains the macro \space (defined as \def\space{ } by LaTeX). The most-taught way to produce "explicit" spaces in paragraph text is to use \␣, and I think I haven't seen any source teach \space as a user-level command. What community knowledge or p...

 
@Manuel \space is influenced by \spacefactor, whereas \ is not
 
@percusse Nice. You are definetly better than me searching TeX.SX :)
@tohecz My point is. If we use \frenchspacing, could we \let\ \space with no harm? Or may be \@firstofone{\let\ = } %?
 
@Manuel any definition always breaks something
 
7:50 PM
@Manuel I would never hide a TeX primitive. But in normal text, yes they'll be thhe same.
 
@Manuel Took me some time too :)
 
@Manuel it would make it fragile, in a caption or similar \foo\ bar would get written as \foo bar as the \space would expand to a space, so when read back you'd have no space
 
@percusse Related. How does the search work? Can we effectively search for \space for instance? Or just space? I mean, in Google, at least some time ago "\space" would search for the whole sentence between "". Is there something similar here?
 
@Manuel I don't use the search here. It surprises me when it works let me put it like that. I've searched latex \space changes definition on Google.
I vaguely remember the question.
 
@DavidCarlisle Nice point. However… is there really a point of having two of them (At least for the user interface)? Would that workaround-able with a macro (the problem with \space when \edefed or \writen?
 
7:58 PM
@Manuel well there's only one really: \ \space is just a macro you can have any number of them, if I go \def\foo{ } then that's another
 
@percusse Okey. Since this is a nice place I always try to use the search here, believing that it would work well (one of, if not the only one, place where I use the included search, for the rest of them Google; when I see what the search box of our government website gives, or the one from my university… I really love Google).
 
@Manuel I'd never use \space in a document, just \ , \space is really intended in messages and the like where it expand to ` ` so is more suitable than \ which puts a backslash in the message
 
@DavidCarlisle Okey dokey.
 
see where `\space` is used in latex.ltx eg error messages: `\gdef\ClassError#1#2#3{%
\GenericError{%
(#1) \space\@spaces\@spaces\@spaces
`
 
Many spaces.
 
8:04 PM
@Manuel just lining things up in the terminal output:-)
@Manuel \def\@spaces{\space\space\space\space}
 
@DavidCarlisle That's for antique people. The most terminal-ish I do in TeX is just \meaning :)
 
@Manuel well I never get errors in the log file of course, but apparently people do:-)
 
May be emacs or vim or something like that show more easily the log, but with other editors you just get the document, or at least a list of errors (in case you have) pointing to the line of the source.
 
@tohecz :(
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, and I don't understand how they live with it, even if it compiles fine.
 
8:08 PM
@Manuel the number of times people come here with scrambled unintelligible messages that have been "helpfully filtered" by some front end...
 
@Werner yeah. I tried to have some discussion over these things with Shog9 after I called the new triplet of badges a BS, but nothing got out of it unfortunately :-/
 
@DavidCarlisle I know, I know. I mean, if it where more accesible it would be great, but with some editor it just isn't (well, call it lazynes, just CMD+T, then write log and hit enter would be enough for me). But hey, I don't really need it :P I just come here and ask, and when I use \show I don't understand the output :)
 
@Manuel when \show outputs such a non-sense, it's usually because you've met a primitive (you see, primitives always speak non-sense)
 
@Manuel not that dramatic though
I randomly \show ed
 
@Manuel and as well, there's texdef
 
8:15 PM
@Manuel there is only one real editor, you are supposed to use emacs
 
@DavidCarlisle When will you stop calling the shells with 8bit color support as editors?
 
@tohecz Yes, that's the case. Review of reviews is something to consider.
Of course, we can chat about it here, and Joseph (and company) did make some effort to rectify that...
...but it may just be in certain users to use the queue(s) for their own benefit.
 
@Werner I've decided to suck it up and forget about it. Though when the occasion arises I tend to annoy people. I can summon them very quickly here. Somehow I have that power.
:)
politically correctness smiley
@Werner I wish there was a real benefit so that I can understand the behavior. Now it's just colored dots.
 
@percusse :)
 
@percusse That's definetly more accessible than what TextMate offers :)
 
8:29 PM
It doesn't really annoy me, sine I know I can't force people to do certain things...
...but when it's clear that things aren't right... diamonds would step in.
 
@tohecz I always forget about it, how would be the command to sear for \ ?
@DavidCarlisle I prefer plastic, flamboyant editors :)
 
@Werner I just wonder why we are dealing with such childish stuff that is pushed by very able programmers who created this stuff in the first place.
 
@percusse Oh, you're talking about the actual post, not the review?
 
@Werner I mean the badges and review frenzy and other Barbie-Ken like OK kids now some of you click these buttons and other friends pretend that you are reviewing them hihihi type of weirdness.
 
@Manuel for some reason our site mods objected to my in depth review when i gave an emacs answer to a "editors for latex question"
 
8:35 PM
@Manuel texdoc " "
 
@tohecz :) @DavidCarlisle “in depth”
 
@Manuel well I thought it said everything that needed saying.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
9:28 PM
@Werner I will take a look
 
10:21 PM
@JosephWright Thanks Joseph.
 

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