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2:45 AM
I don't understand why we still have a 80-characters-per-line rule when all our screens are 16:10 or 16:9 but Pivot to the rescue ... :)
 
 
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8:22 AM
@topskip: Happy Birthday.
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8:39 AM
@PauloCereda Away afternoon with my lab buddies: went on very late
 
 
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10:05 AM
@morbusg If you have any questions, just ask. If I'm not around I'll answer them when I get back.
Any MikTeX users around? I've been told there's a problem with fmtcount on MikTeX because fmtcount loads amsgen (part of amsmath) but amsgen.sty isn't in the MikTeX distro? It's in TL2013. What gives with MikTeX?
 
 
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11:19 AM
@JosephWright Ah. :) Welcome back. :)
 
@Nicola: Cool. Which service did you use? Was your work printed or ebook (or both)? Were you happy with the outcome? How much did it cost?
 
@MarcoDaniel Yay! German cake!
@topskip: Happy birthday! :)
 
11:38 AM
I'm really getting the hang of these tikz answers now: tex.stackexchange.com/a/130938/1090
 
11:48 AM
@DavidCarlisle How can you answer a TikZ answer without a TikZ code? :)
You are epic. :)
 
Jan 2 at 16:46, by David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha The new years resolution is to get a tikz gold badge by answering tikz question with tex primitives, picture mode, or if really pushed pstricks, doing quite well so far this year.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah. :)
 
@PauloCereda just 3 more I think for silver:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle: I was browsing some old links and found this: vimeo.com/33923293 Then some days later you joined us. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-) (why is the first line short) also of course, it's the wrong tune:-)
@PauloCereda oh that's odd, it hasn't shown the two \ that are on the first line your terminal shell must have ate them?
 
12:09 PM
@morbusg I've been thinking about writing an article about this, but I don't have my own blog and it's only tangentially related to TeX, so I can't really put it with my other TeX articles, but I've noticed an increase in TeX users looking into self publishing. (Presumably because the document quality looks so good, especially with memoir.) Anyway, here are my comments/observations:
 
@DavidCarlisle I actually didn't type it, I wrote a script to type the text for me, so there was a bug. :P
 
@PauloCereda ah a bug, I didn't think of that (not being used to them, personally)
 
@DavidCarlisle A bug on my side, of course. :)
 
It's really important to distinguish the difference between self publishing and subsidy publishing. A lot of people get caught out on that one. Subsidy publishing is the new euphemism for vanity publishing, so be careful of publishing "services" that are actually vanity presses.
 
@PauloCereda yes that's what I mean: I never have bugs, as you know.
 
12:12 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle lol :-)
 
Aug 27 at 17:28, by Paulo Cereda
In the year 2525, no more MiKTeX, only TeX Live
Microsoft Office is no more a threat
and `longtable` has no bugs found yet!
 
@PauloCereda :-)
Anyway, back to self publishing. Some self-publishers prefer to call themselves "independent writer/publishers" to emphasize that they've not been caught out by the vanity press.
What happens if you get hooked by a subsidy publishing service? The chances are that you'll spend thousands of pounds (or dollars or euros or whatever) and find yourself with a shed load of books you can't sell. So be careful.
The cheapest route is to publish ebooks via somewhere like smashwords. There are no setup charges. They just take a percentage of the book sales, so that's the safest route. Their ebooks are DRM-free so you don't have the DRM costs to worry about either. The downside is that smashwords requires the books to be uploaded in Word format as they have software that converts .doc files to all the various ebook formats.
Paperbacks are a different matter. You need to set yourself up as a publishing company and buy a block of ISBNs. The ISBNs must be registered in the name of your company and must be purchased from the ISBN agency. In the UK this is Nielsen UK.
There is no such thing as "secondhand" ISBNs. An ISBN is allocated to a specific publisher and cannot be transferred.
You also need a printer and, unless you plan on distributing the books yourself, a distributor. I use Lightning Source for both. Note that Lightning Source is a printer not a publisher.
Lightning Source is a reputable company and is linked with Ingram so I thoroughly recommend it. Lulu is fine if you want to print and bind a book for a limited readership (for example, lecture notes for your students or memoirs that are only of interest to your family) but Lightning Source is better for books that you want to sell commercially.
Self-publishing works best for niche books. These are usually non-fiction in a subject area that may not have many followers, but there's less competition from other books. Self-publishing for fiction is very difficult (although not impossible) as there's too much competition.
This isn't a reflection on the quality of fiction writing in self-publishers. It's a simple matter of economics. In a free market economy, the best-selling products aren't necessarily the best quality products. This is true just as true for books as it is for, say, commercial software.
A self-publisher is competing against all the big publishing houses that can afford advertising on billboards and other marketing strategies, such as paying book shops to display their books in the shop window or, in some cases, pay the book shops to list the book on their "top 20" recommended book list.
The big publishing houses can also afford to cover "sale or returns", which brick and mortar book stores require. With sale or return, book stores can return unsold books to the publisher. The publisher has to pay for the cost of printing those books. The books are often returned in an unsaleable condition and have to be pulped.
Most self-publishers can't cover those costs, so they have to rely on sales through on-line book stores, such as Amazon.
Which is why self-publishing works best for niche subjects. When a potential buyer searches for books in that subject, they are usually only presented with a small list of titles, so your books stands more chance of being noticed.
However, there have been notable cases of self-published fiction writers getting into the mainstream, so it is possible. The main thing is to remember that when you're dealing with the publishing side of things, you have to think like a business executive not like a writer.
 
12:42 PM
I want to have a pet duck. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-) My mum's just ordered some new ducks.
@morbusg Here's a run down of the main things I had to do when I set up my company (I'm in the UK so procedures may vary for other countries):
I had to register with the Inland Revenue as a sole trader, so I pay the sole trader national insurance contributions.
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh my!
 
@PauloCereda She's got mallards, a widgeon (originally a pair but the female died) and a carolina (again, originally a pair but one died). The rooks keep eating the ducklings. (And the heron eats the fish, and the ducks eat the newts. And the foxes eat the chickens. It's a real blood-bath in the country!)
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh my! :)
 
@morbusg I also had to order a block of ISBNs from Nielsen and register an account with Lightning Source.
And pay for webhosting (hostgator), hacker protection (sitelock) and I hired a solicitor to draw up all the legal documents for the website. I'm also in the process of sorting out business insurance.
I have to pay Lightning Source to set up the book titles. The title set up cost for all my books has been GBP 50.40 (incl. VAT at 20%).
I also have to buy a proof for each title, which was GBP21 for the LaTeX books and GBP12.52 for the children's books.
Market distribution for each book is GBP8.40 (incl. VAT at 20%). This has to be paid yearly for each title to keep the book in print.
If there are any problems with a proof, there are additional charges to upload corrections. My second LaTeX book had problems with both the interior and the exterior, so the corrections came to GBP54 (incl. VAT) whereas the first LaTeX book only had problems with the interior, so the corrections came to GBP27 (incl. VAT).
In the UK, publishers are also under a legal obligation to send a copy of each physical title to the British Library, so that needs to be taken into account as well.
(I think it's currently optional for ebook-only titles.)
When you set up a book title with Lightning Source, you need to specify what percentage the booksellers get. For example, my first LaTeX book has a retail price of GBP12.99 and the bookseller discount is 35%, so the wholesale price is GBP8.44. The print cost of the book is GBP5.38. This makes the wholesale minus print cost = GBP3.06. This is what Lightning Source calls the "publisher compensation".
The aim is to sell enough copies for the total publisher compensation to exceed the book setup costs.
 
1:01 PM
@NicolaTalbot BL plus the other copyright libraries, I thought (Bodelian, UL in Cambridge, Trinity in Dublin, I guess one in Scotland?)
 
@JosephWright I was just told the BL. I'll have to look up the other ones.
 
@NicolaTalbot Ah, it seems that the law now is that the others have to request a copy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_deposit#United_Kingdom
 
@Nicola: Thanks for all the info! It sounds like there is much more to think of than I initially thought.
 
@JosephWright Phew, that's a relief. I'm glad I haven't broken any laws. :-)
@morbusg There is quite a lot more to it than most people realise, but there are a lot of useful resources around, such as SPANnet and the SPAN newsgroup.
 
@JosephWright: PS4 out soon. :)
 
1:08 PM
I can't seem to type properly today!
 
@Nicola: In Finland, it feels as if the whole ebook business hasn't really took off yet
 
@PauloCereda Yes, I'd seen
@PauloCereda I'm supposed to be moving, so perhaps once I do
(Flat sale providing to be a bit of a nightmare)
 
@JosephWright Oh my!
 
@morbusg There are pros and cons to ebooks, as I discovered when my ereader stopped working! At least physical books don't suffer from the battery running out or breaking. DRMs are a real hassle. I've got a Sony reader, but the reader software doesn't run on Linux. (I've been able to get Adobe Digital Editions run under wine, but I can't get the DRM ebooks onto my reader without the Sony software.)
My android tablet can download DRM ebooks wirelessly, so I use that for borrowing ebooks from the digital library, but the tablet isn't as good at viewing books as the reader.
However, it's really useful to be able to take a load of books with me on holiday without weighing down my luggage.
 
@PauloCereda Not very far: from a studio flat to a one bedroom about 10 minutes walk away
 
1:17 PM
@Nicola: Yes :-) And also, at least here, the VAT's are much more for ebooks than for paper. Which is really weird IMO. Something like <10% for paper and >20% for ebook
 
@JosephWright Ah. :)
 
@morbusg Wow, there's no VAT on books in the UK. (Unless they're accompanied by a taxable product, such as a CD.)
The other advantage with Lightning Source is that they have printing and distributing centres in the US, UK and Australia and they have global partners in Germany and Brazil, which means there's more chance of selling your books globally.
 
@Nicola: That's nice. BTW, thanks for those links, interesting read!
 
@morbusg Good luck with it :-) If you have any more questions, just ping me here.
 
@Nicola Thank you :-)
 
 
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5:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle If you get the write I get the text file :P
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Q: Can tikz coordinates be exported to a text-file?

Timo StolzCan tikz coordinates be exported to a text file, while the document is rendered? Let the document be: \documentclass{scrartcl} \usepackage{tikz} \usetikzlibrary{calc} \begin{document} \begin{tikzpicture} \coordinate(vertexA) at (0, 10); \coordinate(vertexB) at (5, 8); \coordinate...

Do you have a quick hack to get the final page number instead of the designated page number?
 
hhh
6:08 PM
I cannot understand why $\mathbf{\alpha}$ is not getting bolded in my writing?!
 
@hhh The answer is a little complicated for me but add \usepackage{bm} and try the result
 
@hhh Doesn't work for greek letters. See tex.stackexchange.com/questions/595/…
 
hhh
Thank you!
 
hhh
6:33 PM
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Solved.
 
6:51 PM
@PauloCereda thanks (and also @MarcoDaniel) :)))
 
@topskip German cake? :)
 
@PauloCereda no cake, bbq and beer (perhaps thats german cake?) ...
 
@topskip ooh barbecue!
 
probably the last one this year (getting a bit colder now)
/me is currently working on a way-back-machine for CTAN. I'll present it at next year's TUG conference (the first part will be ready by end of october when the DANTE meeting is)
 
@topskip ooh can you tell us more details?
 
7:01 PM
(phone, I'll come back later)
Two parts. Part 1 is just a web base directory listing where you can click on "yesterday" and you'll see the directory (and files) on the day before (and way back, currently to March 2013)
Part 2 will be a webdav based web-service where you can just go to ctan.example.org/2011/09/12 and see the status of ctan on that day. So you can have a texlive installation pointing to a never changing day and have a totally stable release for documents that must not change
... but still be able to run an up-to-date texlive in another tree. Perhaps I'll make it more elaborate to handle different texlive trees on a local machine, but that is for cold winter days.
 
@topskip: do you mind if I send you an email later on? Your plans are really exciting.
 
Go ahead. Just patrick at gundla dot ch. (Or any you know)
 
@topskip Epic email. :P
 
That was from the days where I was much younger and found it cool to have such an address....
 
7:11 PM
@percusse not sure what you mean?
 
7:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle Re. the \parshape question. Another reason to get LaTeX3 sorted: l3galley should be a much nicer way to deal with parshapes
(Already works not-too-badly, but will break everything else)
 
@egreg: great first half. :)
 
@JosephWright yes but people will want to ignore the interfaces and use whatever we've called \def "for the challenge" even then...
 
@DavidCarlisle Possibly, but the interface in l3galley has I hope some things to recommend it
@DavidCarlisle I'm pretty sure it will be able to do cutouts in lists :-)
 
Wait a minute. Linus Benedict Torvalds?
 
kan
@PauloCereda Yes sir. :)
 
7:48 PM
@kan I'm not prepared to those discoveries. :) It's like finding out @JosephWright's middle name. :)
 
kan
@PauloCereda Hmm, I am not sure, I know that....
 
@PauloCereda Alexander
 
@JosephWright I know. :) I was teasing @kan. :)
 
kan
@JosephWright Ooh... :)
 
For what is worth, I do have a middle name too. :P
And two surnames. Damn.
Think of the citation hell for me. :)
 
kan
7:50 PM
@PauloCereda You have lots of them: Paulo "Massa" Roberto Cereda.
 
@PauloCereda No, that's good
@PauloCereda I pity Chinese people
 
@JosephWright yes be nice if we could do them at top of page as well..
 
@kan Roberto is the middle name. :) Massa is the first surname (mom's). :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Huh?
 
kan
@PauloCereda Oh!
 
7:51 PM
@JosephWright Ah yes. :)
 
@JosephWright frank's old re-consider paragraphs use case, change the parshape at the page break so as to insert a figure
 
@PauloCereda I have two middle names and an alternate surname :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh right
 
@NicolaTalbot ooh that's way cooler! :)
 
4
Q: How to get a ragged-right footnote with Memoir

ChrisI need to put a rather long list of names in a footnote. They can't be properly hyphenated and do not break into pretty lines, so leaving the right side of text ragged seems a perfect solution to me. However, I was surprised when \footnote{\raggedright ABC} did not work out. \RaggedRight from ra...

Any ideas why the \raggedright version of my answer doesn't work but the \RaggedRight version does?
 
7:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle Would go with 'change the margins at the break and reset the partial paragraph', etc.
 
@JosephWright: David's photo in TLC is epic. :)
 
@PauloCereda It can get a bit confusing. At the UKTUG LaTeX training day I accidentally signed myself in with one name and out with the other.
 
@AlanMunn Sir Patrick Stewart: Acting!
Oh, that's not funny. Sorry.
@NicolaTalbot ooh! :)
 
@NicolaTalbot :-)
 
@JosephWright She wanted 2 certificates. :)
 
8:02 PM
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@JosephWright: speaking of UK-TUG, any plans for the anual meeting? :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, in the sense I know I need to sort out a booking!
 
@JosephWright How nice! :)
 
@PauloCereda My own diary is a bit congested, and I think I need to get to the meeting, so I was thinking 2nd November
A job to do this weekend: I'm trying to catch up on various things
 
@JosephWright hmmm :)
 
8:03 PM
Life has been made a bit busy by having to sort out a book chapter at short notice
 
@Nicola: the UK-TUG meeting could happen in an ice cream parlor. :)
@JosephWright Oh no. :(
 
@PauloCereda Not my fault: my former boss had agreed to writing it last year, then didn't remind me about it until earlier this month even though the editor kept asking him
 
@PauloCereda Yay! :-) You'll have to nip over for the day ;-)
 
@JosephWright Ouch. And with a short deadline, I suppose.
 
@PauloCereda Yes. Technically today I think!
@PauloCereda Realistically we need another 10 days to two weeks, I suspect
 
8:06 PM
@JosephWright Silly question: LaTeX? :)
 
@PauloCereda Of course not
 
@NicolaTalbot On a serious note, I'm thinking of registering in the UK-TUG group. :)
I need money first. :P
@JosephWright Oh. I was expecting that before I asked. :P
 
@PauloCereda Do: we've got a new member from Libya!
 
@JosephWright Really? That's awesome!
 
@PauloCereda We are the cheapest way to join TUG
 
8:08 PM
@PauloCereda Yay! You'll be able to get a discount on my books once I've finished my shop ;-)
 
@JosephWright And the most awesome group. :)
@NicolaTalbot ooh discount! Ice cream card too? :)
 
@PauloCereda Even if it was just me writing a chapter, I'd still have to use something other than LaTeX as the editor would not be able to take LaTeX
 
@PauloCereda Ice cream card? Does that mean buyers could pay me in ice cream? lol :-)
 
@JosephWright I know the feeling. No one uses LaTeX around here.
@NicolaTalbot Yep! :P
 
@PauloCereda As I said a day or so ago, LaTeX is helping in a way: my ref. database is in BibTeX and the print-out of abstracts we have is biblatex reading format :-)
 
8:12 PM
@PauloCereda Ooh! :-) Although it might get a bit soggy in the post!
 
@JosephWright Ah that's a good plan. :)
 
@PauloCereda Better than nothing
@PauloCereda I still have to track the ref numbers by hand in Word: the standard 'highlight them all in yellow' approach
 
@JosephWright The safe choice. :) I don't trust Word's citation management. :) Well, I don't trust Word at all. :P
 
@PauloCereda We have an EndNote site license, but we also have some EndNote horror stories
 
@JosephWright :)
@JosephWright: Henrique is tackling ABNT as a biblatex style. :P
 
8:17 PM
@PauloCereda Luckily, chemistry styles are easy
 
@JosephWright We can't escape. :)
 
Choice of three: American Chemical Society, Royal Society of Chemistry, Gesellschaft Deutscher Chemiker
 
@JosephWright The last one sounds evil. :)
 
@PauloCereda Nah, close enough to the RSC style
 
@JosephWright :)
 
8:40 PM
@DavidCarlisle I mean getting the actual page number not the one before TeX decides to shuffle things around.
 
Back from the tour. A long one, today, almost 700km
 
@egreg Goodness
 
@egreg Welcome back! :) And Juve won! :)
 
@JosephWright I did the highest road (connecting two valleys) in Europe: Col de la Bonette, 2808m
@PauloCereda I can't see it anyway, here. :(
@PauloCereda But tomorrow I'm returning home. End of holidays.
 
@egreg :)
 
8:48 PM
@PauloCereda Left at 9 am, back at 10 pm. Quite a trip.
And found Frank stole a green tick from me. :(
 
@egreg A big trip. :) Took a lot of photos? :)
 
@PauloCereda Not at all! ;-) Just a couple at the two mountain passes.
But the landscape is not as beautiful as in the Dolomites.
 
hhh
Mathematical symbol for OR?
\or not worknig
 
@hhh You mean \vee?
 
hhh
Yes, thank you -- is there any way to get $\or$ working?
Some pkg defining it, sounds more natural to write just $\or$
 
9:02 PM
@hhh \or is an important one. It defines the switch for the case construction. I recommend not fiddling with it.
 
hhh
Can you give an example?
 
@hhh \or is a TeX primitive. Don't dare redefining it. :)
 
@hhh here is a fast search result
27
A: Cunning (La)TeX tricks

Bruno Le Floch A very useful one is that \romannumeral expands everything on its way until it finds an integer. If the integer is negative, it expands to nothing. This can be used to fully expand something as follows: \def\a{\b}\def\b{\c}\def\c{\d}\def\d{1} \expandafter\show\romannumeral-`\0\a Here -`0 is n...

 
9:15 PM
@egreg good!
@percusse that's what he'll get from \thepage (as \write is used not \immediate\write)
 
9:32 PM
@PauloCereda No, no one here would ever redefine a TeX primitive, would they?
 
@hhh \lor that goes together with \land and \lnot
 
10:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle Mainly because we can't? :P
Epic horse dragon. :)
 
10:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda cough \par cough \input cough
 
@tohecz :)
 
@tohecz I just redefined \shipout in an answer on site:-)
 
Dan
I want spaces between my paragraphs so I am using parskip package, but I still want the parahraphs to indent
How od I do this?
 
@Dan \setlength\parindent{5in}
 
Dan
@DavidCarlisle thanks!
 
Dan
11:08 PM
@DavidCarlisle I wouldn't suppose you know how to link to a URL with a % sign in it using hyperref?
@DavidCarlisle disregard, I guess I just escape them and it works fine
 
@Dan hyperref should do this automatically. So \href{http://localhost/foo%20bar.html}{bar} should work without escaping. Of course you have to escape the one in the {bar} part of the hrefcommand.
 
11:49 PM
Hi @PauloCereda : Is the July 27 interview with Khaled Hosny going to be published in the "Stack Exchange TeX Community Blog" - tex.blogoverflow.com ? Not trying to push it, just curious :-)
 
@ricmarques On Aug 12 Paulo said: I need to organize Khaled's interview. I'll try to do this tonight. but I guess he hasn't gotten around to it yet.
 
Dan
@AlanMunn thx
 
@ricmarques Ah good question. :) I just received the final review from Barbara and I'll try to publish it tomorrow. :)
@AlanMunn My past self is naughty, it seems. :)
 

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