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8:00 PM
@PauloCereda Don't worry, I have your card...
 
@DavidCarlisle Uh-oh.
!!/fortune
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OK, I'm trying this question again. If I don't get a reply I'll post to the site.
By default, " typesets as two curly quotes. However, if I use \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} it is now displayed as two straight quotes. The approved way (vide tex.stackexchange.com/a/43562/…) seems to be to use \textquotedbl. So why does " work?
 
Hey @FrankMittelbach! Long time no see!
 
@FaheemMitha The markup you are supposed to use is two back quotes for double left quote and two single '' for double right quote. The 7bit OT1 encoding had to put the ligature of ' and ' somewhere and it put it in the slot with the ascii code for " so if you typed " you got a right double quote more or less by accident. T1 encoding (and Unicode) has a straight quote in that position.
 
@FaheemMitha At the Cork conference (many years ago) it was decided that the T1 encoded fonts should have the "real" ASCII characters in positions 32 to 127. Conversely, Knuth wanted to use only 7 bit fonts, so he had to make some decisions about what characters to omit. In particular, he decided to put the double closing quotes in the ASCII position of the double (straight) quotes, but also ¡ and ¿ in the place of < and >.
 
8:14 PM
Hello :) tex.stackexchange.com/a/61942/749 - I've found this snippet of code and it works great but when comments are intended by spaces it does not color the comments right (I mean the comments: <!-- -->). Does anyone know how to fix it?
 
@DavidCarlisle I see. I wonder why this is not documented in that tex.sx question I referenced. They talk about \textquotedbl, including Werner's answer
@egreg So, is the double straight quote an ascii character?
Should I post this question?
 
@FaheemMitha didn't see a link to a question?
@FaheemMitha because american punched card keyboards had only straight quotes not left and right.
 
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Q: How does one display straight quotes in the normal font?

Billy ONealFrom this code: \subsubsection{General Escaping Format} Generally, escaping MUST be done in a manner similar to most programming languages, such as C, C++, Java, or similar, for quoted string escapes. Such an escaping scheme is defined by three characters: a starting delimiter, a termination del...

@DavidCarlisle That is yes, then?
 
@FaheemMitha yes it's the character you get from " (ascii character 34)
@FaheemMitha that's asking the opposite question though (how to get straight quote) for which \textquotedbl is the right answer. the fact that you can also get it from using " in OT1 is an accident it's best not to mention.
 
@DavidCarlisle Don't see why. It's shorter to type.
 
8:25 PM
@FaheemMitha It is the wrong markup and just works by accident due to the internal font encoding and lack of error checking by LaTeX. LaTeX is designed so that the input and font encodings are separate, if you switch fonts to a different encoding the same markup in the document is supposed to work, however that only works if the document uses the proper latex markup " isn't a supported input character and if you use it you get different results depending on the font encoding used.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, I see. If it depends on the font encoding, that is not good.
 
@FaheemMitha sorry ignore most of the above I am talking nonsense. Wil try again
 
Not sure what you mean by "lack of error checking by LaTeX".
 
Typing into chat boxes that don't allow editing increases the chance of answers being technically incorrect:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle True. They do allow editing though, for 2 minutes. Yay.
 
8:31 PM
Starting again... in classic (OT1) encoding people used (still use) " to get double right quote. That was the incorrect markup I had in mind for most of the above. It sort of works in OT1 but if you switch encoding it breaks. " is ascii and Unicode 34 so should be straight quotes really, it is in T1 so in an ideal word " would be standard markup and would just work, but in a world where even now a large proportion of users are using OT1 encodings " < and > ...
 
@DavidCarlisle You want me to post this as a question? Then you can put your answer there, and it will be preserved for posterity. :-)
 
... have to be used with care as if the markup gets moved to an OT1 context they produce right quotes and inverted spanish punctuation signs. So LaTeX provides command name forms that should always work.
@FaheemMitha not really, I'd have to type it all again:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Heh.
You could cut and paste. It is this amazing computer invention.
 
@DavidCarlisle M-w C-y
 
@FaheemMitha Never works, If I do that I have to read what I wrote and it's usually full of typos or wrong and I end up re-writing it.
 
8:35 PM
So, if history has gone differently, in "classic" encoding, '' might have been used for straight quotes, but it wasn't, so now it can't be used portably?
@DavidCarlisle Ok.
 
@DavidCarlisle: Vdp is funnier.
 
@FaheemMitha cutting and pasting is for wimps, real men kill and yank (don't they @PauloCereda?)
@FaheemMitha yo see you could ask the question and self answer!
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
@DavidCarlisle That sounds kind of violent. Also, emacsish.
@DavidCarlisle Don't want to steal your thunder. And your answer.
 
@FaheemMitha emacs' ring of death, I guess. :)
Or something similar. :)
 
8:37 PM
@PauloCereda I don't like violence. I do like emacs, though.
 
@FaheemMitha Oh no, another emacs user.
:)
 
@PauloCereda We're everywhere.
 
@PauloCereda yes ... tried to stay away from things and focus on checking out what my future options are
 
@DavidCarlisle Come on, you know you want more rep. :-)
 
@FrankMittelbach How are things going?
 
8:38 PM
@PauloCereda I'm quite pleased I managed to avoid the temptation to answer this one:
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Q: Best editor for Beamer

Phani RajI am using Texmaker on Windows 8. I am new to LaTeX but still with help from the book I could write my report on my own. Now I have to create a beamer presentation with in 2 days and I never used beamer and none of my friends have never used it. So, can any one give me suggestion and also sugge...

 
@DavidCarlisle LOL you naughty boy :)
 
@PauloCereda so far it isn't going, simple as that, but it is early days. just decided to not let me worry too much and go to Japan regardless
 
@FrankMittelbach Oh I really hope things end up well.
 
@PauloCereda don't we all? but it can also be a huge opportunity to do something totally different for a change
 
@FrankMittelbach Indeed.
 
8:43 PM
@PauloCereda guess I'll drop and have a nice read
'night
 
@FrankMittelbach Good night, Frank. :)
!!/eightball Is emacs a valid answer for the beamer editor question?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: only egreg knows the answer.
 
@PauloCereda Yes, it is. ;-)
 
@egreg Uh-oh. :)
 
9:18 PM
ahoy! Welcome to bash me to the end of time show. Has the following masterpiece of mine readability problems?
 
9:31 PM
@percusse How did you make this?
 
@FaheemMitha Via pgfplots.
 
@percusse The two legends on the bottom right look identical
And a light grey box is not exactly ideal
I like my plots big, bright and hopefully brilliant, in all senses of the word.
In the hope that they will wake the viewer up.
 
@FaheemMitha Yes. You are right the line styles are not distinct enough in the background.
 
@percusse Maybe you should read one of those books on how to make graphics. I haven't but I'm sure they are useful.
 
but the idea is to separate the gamma plots from the r ones.
 
9:34 PM
And I can't think of any titles right now, but I am sure they are out there.
Or even just an article.
@percusse Make them a different class of color.
Like shades of blue for one, shades of red for other?
@percusse have you ever used ggplot2? From R.
 
@FaheemMitha I can't do that because one plot has the scale 0-10 and the other is 0-1. So they need to be visually separated. Colors make it more difficult
 
@percusse OK, but making one of them ghostly isn't a solution either.
You should assume your readers are half blind. Some of them may be.
 
@DavidCarlisle just wondering why is it fine to have \\ in tabular but not in running text ?
 
@texenthusiast because the commands are entirely different in use and implementation, they just happen to use the same syntax. In general you should avoid manual line breaks and explicit spacing but a tabular is a fixed grid layout so forced linebreaks and forced cell ends & are a necessity
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for your explanation. is it the same for math and other float environments ?
 
9:45 PM
@texenthusiast yes tex doesn't do line breaking in display math at all so if you didn't do manual breaking you'd need a very wide page:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok , Great Thanks a lot :)
 
@texenthusiast Use \\ only when you need an explicit line break, which is different from "end a paragraph". An explicit "break line here" is rarely needed in normal text. If you feel the need of a "blank line" in the output, first of all ask yourself why you should need it: it's a device quite common among word processor users, because it's easy to hit Return twice. But normally a new paragraph is sufficient to convey the idea.
 
@FaheemMitha It's going to be printed. So contrast issue will be fixed by ink. Sounds like an inmate statement once put like that though....
 
@egreg ok , i will keep in mind your advice for sure. Thanks.
@percusse may be subplot or plot with one scale because there are two different scales , its misrepresenting data.
 
leo
hello there!
@cgnieder I've noticed that you've updated exsheets
 
9:59 PM
@texenthusiast You think so? Hmm, we use it a lot in catalogs etc. to make actuator selection for example. But it's not common practice in general I guess. 2-ordinate plots are indispensable for certain plots actually.
 
@percusse yes, i usually avoid it and have multiple plots which does not hurt either. but it depends as you said :)
 
@texenthusiast Oh by the way do you see the gamma plots in the background? Maybe that's the problem.
Some screens don't bother to paint the gray pixels
 
@percusse yes i noticed the faint grey ones. may be you don't want them to show up ?
 
@StefanKottwitz IMHO, this question tex.stackexchange.com/q/108603/3954 is not an exact duplicate (although it is related) of the one linked. I left a comment to the question, explaining my reasons.
 
10:15 PM
@GonzaloMedina Voted. In the linked answer there is (rather hidden) a possible solution, but I agree that the problem is different.
 
@leo Yes, I have
 
leo
@cgnieder I've not read yet the news in the manual, but the little hack you gave me last time is not longer necessary, right?
to remove the numeration in the solutions headings
 
@PauloCereda how about adding miktex author to the list
 
@leo I can't recall the details of the code I gave you but the \NewQuSolPair and \RenewQuSolPair have been updated so I believe you're right.
 
leo
nice :-)
 
10:30 PM
@texenthusiast Him too. :)
 
@PauloCereda thanks :)
 
!!/fortune
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!!/eightball What about tomorrow's match?
 
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This bot is terrible.
 
10:52 PM
!!/eightball are you well programmed?
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: signs point to yes.
 
@PauloCereda modest :-) ^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle Phew. :) I'll add more predictions later on. :)
 
11:25 PM
!!/fortune
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@DavidCarlisle: Psmith is now XML-based. <3
 
@TorbjørnT. Why did you delete your answer? Yours is more elaborate than mine.
 
11:46 PM
!!/eightball is xml better than yaml?
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh.
!!/eightball is xml better than yaml?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook not so good.
!!/fortune
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leo
!!/say
 
@leo Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command say does not exist.
 
leo
:-O
 
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