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leo
1:13 AM
hi there!
Got a problem. I have an updated TeXLive 2012 distribution running on Windows XP, but it seems that Windows cant find biber. What can I do?
 
 
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4:36 AM
@leo did you update from admin command prompt ? see texdoc biber there are ways to test `biber test' using testfiles. check for 'TL bin path' in user account PATH.
 
 
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7:36 AM
@cmhughes arara is only contained in TeX Live. ;-) -- so same limitation.
 
7:46 AM
@PauloCereda: I think an answer about the benefits of arara can solve this old question.
 
 
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9:10 AM
Can some explain why does the line \edef\@classoptionslisttemp{\@classoptionslisttemp,\tempsearch} fail in the following example?
\documentclass[a4paper,ngerman,style=1]{article}
\makeatletter
\def\patteernstring{style=1}
\let\@classoptionslistorig\@classoptionslist
\let\@classoptionslisttemp\relax
\@for\tempsearch:=\@classoptionslist\do{%
      \ifx\tempsearch\@empty\else
        \@expandtwoargs\in@{,\tempsearch,}{,\patteernstring,}%
        \ifin@\wlog{***remove option style***}  \else
           \wlog{***add option \tempsearch***}
%          \edef\@classoptionslisttemp{\@classoptionslisttemp,\tempsearch}
        \fi
      \fi}%
 
9:23 AM
@MarcoDaniel You did \let\@classoptionslisttemp\relax
What then happens is that your first \edef leaves \@classoptionslisttemp inside \@classoptionslisttemp, so the second one tries to expand the macro itself
Use \let\@classoptionslisttemp\@empty
 
@JosephWright Thank you. I was focused on the edef line and doesn't noticed that. ;-) -- Great
 
 
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10:34 AM
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Q: Let’s polish the Editors/IDEs question

doncherryOur question LaTeX Editors/IDEs is very popular, with close to 35k views as of Feb ’13. However, the answers vary a lot in terms of quality and the kinds of information they provide, which makes comparison harder than it would have to be. So I thought it might be nice to standardize the informati...

Do we need an 'actioned' list?
 
10:59 AM
I can't reproduce the issue of the OP.
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Q: Globally set the justification in a framed box

Jason LillywhiteI want to show the text from a Python Interpreter in a Windows console. This should be plain text (like you see in a command line terminal). I also want to show Python code snippets with highlighting. To do this, I set my default listing style for coloring (\lstset) and then created a custom list...

 
11:10 AM
Hi all!
@JosephWright, are you there?
Or someone else on the LaTeX3 team?
I'm unable to get \prop_map_tokens:Nn to work. Feels like a bug.
Minimal example:
\ExplSyntaxOn
\cs_set:Nn \test_mapper:nn
{ (\tl_to_str:n{#1},~#2)~ }
\prop_new:N \testprop
\prop_put:Nnn \testprop {1} {v1}
\prop_put:Nnn \testprop {22} {v2}
\prop_put:Nnn \testprop {333} {v3}
\prop_map_tokens:Nn \testprop { \test_mapper:nn }
\ExplSyntaxOff
It seems that no braces are put around the key that is supplied to the <code>.
So single-token keys are processed, but others are not. Strangely, without any error messages.
 
11:25 AM
@JosephWright Probably. I take it we've sorted out enough to get started?
 
@mhelvens The strange thing is that \test_mapper is called only for one character properties.
 
@egreg Yes. Feels like a mistake in the pattern matching of \@@_map_tokens:nwn. But I'm not sure yet.
No, that might not make sense.
 
I just tried to compile a Tikz file with around a million points in two plots (500k in each). Could this cause TeX capacity to run out? Because that is the message I'm getting.
 
@egreg Ah, it's not only single-char keys, it's single-char keys at the beginning of the propmap.
One multiple-char key, and the rest are skipped.
 
This was created by an R TikZ driver, which stuck all the points directly in the TikZ file.
 
11:30 AM
@egreg \__quark_if_recursion_tail_break:NN #2 \prop_map_break:
@egreg Should be an n test, not an N test.
 
I'm wondering what the best way to handle this is. Has it already been addressed on the site?
The tikz file itself is around 10m
I don't see anything. Would this be a suitable topic of a question?
 
@mhelvens Where's that code?
 
@egreg The faulty code is in l3candidates.dtx.
@egreg This is the fix:
\cs_set:Npn \__prop_map_tokens:nwn #1 \q__prop #2 \q__prop #3
{
\__quark_if_recursion_tail_break:nN {#2} \prop_map_break:
\use:n {#1} {#2} {#3}
\__prop_map_tokens:nwn {#1}
}
Ehm. Just re-add the @@s.
 
Several tex.sx users were at the DANTE meeting. 14622, 7615, 243, 2478, 5763 and others, I assume
 
@mhelvens I get the same result.
 
11:38 AM
@egreg I tested the above code for myself. It works for me.
@egreg The problem was that the :NN test simply took the first two tokens from the key, compared them (usually with negative result) and skipped to the recursion tail.
Heh. And even if the result was positive, you would still encounter \prop_map_break:, so that doesn't really matter. ;-)
 
@mhelvens I tried copying l3candidates.sty to a working directory and changing the N into n: the result is just the same.
 
@egreg Ehm.. Did you add braces?
 
@mhelvens Yeah, right. Write to the list.
 
@egreg Ok.
Though the list seems very quiet.
 
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11:50 AM
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Lo :-)
 
11:56 AM
@egreg Sorry, apparently the API has no Czech support. :)
@NicolaTalbot Hi Nicola!
 
@PauloCereda Hi Paulo! :-)
@PauloCereda Oh, cool! :-)
!!/translate from en to pt Psmith is so cool!
 
@NicolaTalbot Psmith, the TeX bot: PSmith é tão legal!
 
12:09 PM
!!/translate from emacs to vim M-x indent-region
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: Something bad happened, I blame the API.
 
12:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle ooh ninja translation.
 
12:48 PM
!!/texdef -t latex itemize
Oh no, Psmith is dead!
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\itemize:
macro:->\ifnum \@itemdepth >\thr@@ \@toodeep \else \advance \@itemdepth \@ne \edef \@itemitem {labelitem\romannumeral \the \@itemdepth }\expandafter \list \csname \@itemitem \endcsname {\def \makelabel ##1{\hss \llap {##1}}}\fi
 
!!/texdef -t latex detokenize
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\detokenize:
\detokenize
 
Yay!
 
1:27 PM
I'm working on a new version of datatool. If anyone has any bug reports or feature requests, now's the time to mention them!
 
!!/cricket
Psmith off again? England 167 & 234-1 v New Zealand 460-9 dec
 
2:27 PM
Ooh, I've had an idea for datatool. But I need to learn how to use Perl/Tk first...
 
2:43 PM
@NicolaTalbot No ideas, but thankyouthankyou for datatool, which is excellent.
The more I go looking at stuff on TeX.SE, the more I realise that @egreg is a National Treasure!
@PauloCereda You forgot to say how irritating it is, too...
 
@Brent.Longborough What answer are you referring to? :)
 
@egreg Well, for example:
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Q: Can I typeset greek letters in text mode using Latin Modern Fonts?

yunI use lualatex and utf8 source. I want to use the Latin Modern fonts (including math). If I include e.g. the character ε in my source file; it does not appear in the output. I've tried changing the font to TeX Gyre Pagella (with fontspec) and the ε appears as I want. I assume the Latin Modern fon...

@egreg But really, I meant "all of them". :)
 
@Brent.Longborough Just because I've worked upon ucharclasses
 
@Brent.Longborough :-)
 
@Brent.Longborough Hey! That one is still without votes!
 
2:51 PM
@NicolaTalbot I used it (possibly quite clumsily) to compile a 487-page sampler of the Google Fonts, no idea how I might have done that without it...
@egreg Fixed! (Don't know if TeX.SE allows such collusione illecita ). As if you didn't have enough! :)
 
@Brent.Longborough Good boy. ;-)
 
@NicolaTalbot At least don't repeat Fermat's mistake -- leave a beeeg margin!
5
 
@Brent.Longborough We should blame the publisher of that edition of Diophantus' Arithmetica
 
@egreg Elsevier...
 
@mhelvens Thanks for the bug report: fixed in the SVN and soon on CTAN, I hope
 
3:01 PM
@JosephWright No problem. Thanks for the quick response!
 
@JosephWright Just curious; do you use SVN exclusively?
 
@Brent.Longborough No: I only use SVN nowadays for LaTeX3
@mhelvens Fix to CTAN once lualatex-math gets updated: there is a change in expl3 that will break the current lualatex-math release, so I need that to be updated on CTAN first
 
@JosephWright Ah. I'm something of a Git fanboy (now I'm past the learning mountain curve)
 
here they come....
 
@Brent.Longborough Personally, I prefer Mercurial, but can work with Git too :-)
 
3:04 PM
@JosephWright Yes, I have one or two things in hg repos, but to be honest I find it a teeny bit slow (on my box, ant any rate)
 
@JosephWright Sure. No problem. Until then I'll just include the fixed version locally.
 
@mhelvens See the SVN fix: there is a bit more to it than your version
 
@JosephWright The hg learning curve is quite a bit better than git 's, I think, and I've never managed comprehensively to destroy a repository (done that with git, tho)
 
@JosephWright Yes, I read your e-mail response. You're certainly thorough. :-)
 
!!/help
@percusse LOL The heavy mob (suçlular) have arrived...
 
3:09 PM
I tried asking earlier, now asking again. I've got a tikz file, generated by R's tikz driver, which has two line plots of 500k points each. TeX is giving a memory error, probably caused by this. Can anyone confirm this could be a problem?
Is it worth posting a question about this?
 
I wonder why I'm constantly warned about the linguistic issue about the s/he ligature but not getting an actual ligature proposition which seems much easier to propose ...
@Brent.Longborough Hahaha, maybe bandits (haydutlar) would be more dramatic
@FaheemMitha Was it you that we have discussed the resolution issue with?
 
@percusse Don't think so. What resolution issue was that?
 
@percusse Funny, that just crossed my mind. Would you say "her haydutlar" or "tum haydutlar"?
 
@FaheemMitha Did you try with LuaLaTeX?
 
@Brent.Longborough her(every) removes the plural, tum(all) doesn't change
 
3:12 PM
@percusse Just to punish all the PdfTeX users, I'm now going to use "şe"
 
@egreg No. Would that make a difference?
I think I'm using xelatex, but I'm not sure.
 
@percusse Ah, got it, thanks
 
@FaheemMitha That it's very unlikely to display every point on PDF so you can just reduce the number of points :) But as egreg says LuaLaTeX can handle more memory demanding issues
 
@FaheemMitha LuaTeX doesn't allocate a fixed amount of memory.
 
Can lualatex handle unusual fonts?
@egreg I see.
@egreg: Ok, I'll try lualatex.
 
3:13 PM
@Brent.Longborough Well, I'm about to invent a Unicode language for myself. Waiting an approval from UNESCO to be protected as a heritage :)
@Brent.Longborough By the way, the google fonts document is fantastic!!
 
@egreg: If this graph is going to be embedded in a bigger LaTeX file, does that mean I have to use lualatex for the whole thing?
 
@Brent.Longborough Armata 427 has a overfull box. I'll let you know if I can spot others
 
@FaheemMitha You can still compile it separately and then including it as an image
 
@percusse It was interesting to do. XeTeX hated one or two of the fonts, and I had to exclude them.
@percusse Lots of overfull boxes... My commented-out \raggedright is witness that I was aware :)
 
@egreg Thanks. Yikes, it is using 450mg memory
 
3:16 PM
@Brent.Longborough Great nevertheless! I'll change my thesis font to bonbon in my next reincarnation.
 
@percusse BTW, aren't about 90% totally disgusting?
 
@Brent.Longborough Yes they are but disgust is temporal. They might become addictive for future generations. As ienissei commented to my ligature question; (the only characteristic ugly fonts all have in common is randomly angled lines)
 
@percusse Yes. Change disgusting to suitable only for typesetting L33t
 
@JosephWright Any advice about this?
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Q: Fonts in this tex

Lijie XuI want to know what the fonts are in this pdf. Which package to use?

Does it seem a genuine question?
 
@egreg I think it was just to test your knowledge, specifically. Spear-phishing.
@percusse I can't use bonbon as it doesn't have small caps for all the acronyms
 
3:26 PM
@Brent.Longborough Hahaha, that's a shame otherwise it's the next Helvetica.
 
Funny, when even when I call the top level file with lualatex, tikz is still calling pdflatex. Do i need to set the external system call explicitly?
 
Oh, gotta reboot. See you-all!
 
@FaheemMitha You are calling externalize maybe?
@Brent.Longborough Good luck!
 
@percusse I think so, yes
ok, i'm trying it with a customized call
maybe i'll post a question. perhaps someone can suggest a workaround. i've got visions of my paper crashing the journal's server
 
@FaheemMitha Journals require the pdf or eps files anyway so they won't compile your document.
 
3:48 PM
@percusse Sometimes they do.
 
@FaheemMitha really? I'll submit my next one to one of those! Which publisher is that?
 
@percusse Survived that.
 
@percusse Hmm. I think the more math type journals do that. i think when i submitted to the journal of statistics and computation or something like that, they compiled it
Sorry, it was The Journal of Statistical Computation and Simulation
Taylor and Francis.
When biology journals see TeX they scream and run. So it depends.
But I don't have much experience in these matters. Anyone else care to weigh in?
 
@FaheemMitha Do you have any screenshot of what you are trying to plot? I'm curious about the figure. I'll see if I can find the past discussion we had here.
OK we had the discussion with texenthusiast before...
It starts somewhere around here
Jan 20 at 21:28, by texenthusiast
Hello , Any matlab users here
 
@percusse I guess I can post a question. I don't see anything like this on tex.sx. If I post, I'll include the image. It is fine with the R pdf driver.
@percusse So, he didn't post a question, then?
Hmm, in people's experience is it common to outsource typesetting? In my limited experience, this is the second time I've been getting emails from Indian typesetters.
 
4:00 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel It would be interesting to know why that wrong command works anyway. You were essentially doing \textit\bgroup<text>\egroup; roughly speaking, \textit{#1} does {\itshape#1}, so your input becomes {\itshape\bgroup}<text>\egroup; then \bgroup} is an empty group and \egroup matches the first open brace. A similar situation appears when you do \mbox\bgroup A\egroup, which seems to work correctly.
 
@FaheemMitha Not that I know. Is your plot a scatter-type or paths?
 
@percusse It is a empirical cumulative distribution function plot. Line plot.
@percusse i see you suggest interpolating, but this is difficult to do in such a way that one does not lose information
 
@FaheemMitha I wrote the class file used by the Journal for Machine Learning Research (jmlr.cls). My workflow uses pdflatex so I prefer .pdf images but I can use epstopdf on any .eps images. My major problems occur when authors submit tex files that don't compile without error as it causes my book building tool to fail.
 
@egreg The build succeeded with lualatex, but it takes a while
 
@FaheemMitha But most of the points would likely to be discarded in a 5cm plot, no?
 
4:09 PM
@percusse Yeah, I suppose so. But it difficult to know how to choose the points sensibly.
 
@FaheemMitha I did some ridiculous stuff with extremely large number of points but I've printed on A0 so it was sensible to keep the data. I used LuaLaTeX for that.
 
@NicolaTalbot One problem with journals is that they are very restrictive about what packages are allowed. Sometimes they have no clear statement at all. It would be nice if they could just standardize on say TeX Live.
@percusse One option would be to get R to smooth the curve. It actually looks pretty smooth already.
 
@FaheemMitha 5000 points already comes pretty close to pixel resolution in a 5 cm linear axis plot. So it really hardly matters beyond that. After that you get weird artifacts due to downsampling.
Since down at the PGF level they are more or less \draw (0,0) -- (0.001mm,0.002mm); type instructions.
 
@percusse Any suggestions about how to interpolate?
 
@FaheemMitha The jmlr class file is restrictive because the book has to import each article using combine. If different authors use conflicting packages the book won't compile and it can take me weeks to fix. Since I'm not paid for the work, this means that the book won't be published until I have the time to spare to work on it. (I do however list the known problem packages in the manual and the class file checks for them and issues an error if they're detected.)
 
4:16 PM
@FaheemMitha I've used to different approaches depending on uniform or nonuniform intervals. One is the pgfplotstable solution by skipping every say 40 points. The other one is to give explicitly the important intervals in the domain where I use a coarse grid on smooth parts and finer grid on the tricky parts. .
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh, if the articles are combined into one book length manuscript, that does make things more difficult, but why is that necessary? Why not have a separate file for each article?
@percusse Ok, I see. Thanks.
@percusse I'm using the ggplot2 ecdf function, which doesn't do smoothing. I think the regular R one does. Not sure what I can do with that
 
@FaheemMitha I developed the jmlr class because I'm the production editor for the Challenges in Machine Learning book series that includes articles that have been published in the JMLR W&CP. The articles in the CiML book have a different page size to JMLR and have hyperlinks and cross-references between articles, and that's not easy to do if you just munged a load of pdfs together.
 
@NicolaTalbot Ah, I see. Yes, then conflicts between different packages can make things tricky. However, I don't think that is the case with most journals. I.e. they don't have cross-references etc between articles.
 
@FaheemMitha I don't know about the production process for other journals, but I know that many of them rely on volunteers who may or may not have a great deal of LaTeX expertise (or even an up-to-date TeX distribution).
 
4:44 PM
@egreg Minded to close, both as it's off-topic and NARQ
 
@egreg Uh, it took stackexchange long enough to notify me about your message. But yes, I haven’t thought about what happens with \textit\bgroup. Though, we can break this easily with a definition like \def\textit#1{#1#1}.
 
@FaheemMitha No but they may have other constraints, a common one being that they convert the document to sgml/xml for archiving or post production or whatever, converting tex to anything that isn't tex gets hard very quickly if you allow authors to do anything other than write words.
 
@loverofstructure Re your flag about 'regaining control' of a question. There's nothing we can do: you'll need to ask the StackExchange staff. See tex.stackexchange.com/help
 
5:18 PM
@DavidCarlisle : True. Good points.
@NicolaTalbot Well, all the typesetters I've dealt with didn't seem to know much about anything. On one occasion I had to explain their own rules to them. On another, I had a glitch in a style file. I foolishly assumed the journal would know how to fix it, and fruitlessly passed messages back and forth for several months. Finally, I took it to tex.sx, and I got a dignosis and fix (if memory serves) in about half an hour.
@NicolaTalbot And these were commercial journals. Surely they pay their typsetters, even if they don't pay anyone else?
Yes, it was around 35 mins. Answered by Stefan. The question is tex.stackexchange.com/questions/13900/…
 
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Q: What is a clean solution?

Dominic MichaelisWhat exactly is a clean solution? I guess it is easier to say what is not a clean solution. The question came in my mind when I tried to made a Matrixnorm and used at first something like (I don't remember what i made exactly) | \! | \! | But a friend told me that this isn't a clean s...

Huh?
 
@JosephWright NARQ ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Quite
 
5:35 PM
@JosephWright I'd half commented on it when I saw your comment above, I finished it off (and voted to close:-)
 
5:47 PM
hi
 
@DominicMichaelis Hello
 
shall i delete the question ?
 
@DominicMichaelis Can you edit it so it makes more sense?
 
I will try
 
@DominicMichaelis Also is this question helpful maybe ?
 
5:49 PM
@DominicMichaelis well or if you actually want to ask how to define ||M|| then ask about that (oh I see you want |||) but I don't think the current question has any answer.
 
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Q: Spacing between vertical lines

AliGI would like to create a norm-like operator with 3 verticals bars instead of two. It has to look like $|||\cdot|||$. I would like to know how to decrease the spacing between the vertical bars such that it has the same spacing as the $\lVert .. \rVert$ command. There is a command available in the...

 
oh you missunterstood me
 
@DominicMichaelis Certainly I have no idea what the question is (sorry)
 
I have no current problem, my question is more, when I have a solution for something (like my problem) how do you know if it is a clean solution
or how a "clean" solution is defined
 
@DominicMichaelis well that's the question that has no answer. It isn't a defined term. Saying a solution isn't clean is just a mild rebuke to the person who wrote the code, you can't ask for a definition of that.
 
5:54 PM
@DominicMichaelis That's too meta a question to answer, I think. Are you looking for a list of properties such a solution would possess?
 
@faheemMitha yes that is what i am looking for
 
Or perhaps what makes a specific solution "unclean"?
Which would at least be a more concrete question, even if still subjective
 
@DominicMichaelis it could be anything from not working, to using 1000 commands when one would do, to having been written in vi instead of emacs. It's just like asking why are some programmers better than others. There is no reason it's just life.
 
@DavidCarlisle Surely not the last. :-)
 
@FaheemMitha Some do, but good (La)TeX typesetters aren't cheap and if they charge on a daily basis the costs can mount up if there are problems, so it's hardly surprising if journals decide skimp on costs. I know that editors and reviewers generally don't get paid. @Joseph do you know much about it?
 
5:58 PM
@FaheemMitha Sorry I tried to resist adding that bit, but failed.
 
@DominicMichaelis I once made triple bar matrix norms. I'll try remembering how (it was many years ago).
 
@NicolaTalbot Well I have connections in the chemistry publishing world
 
@egreg i already have a solution for tht
my question was misunterstood
 
@egreg you have a solution posted to the question that @percusse linked above:-)
 
i edited my question
 
6:00 PM
@JosephWright Yes, I thought you did.
 
@NicolaTalbot Reviewing is as you say unpaid: my former boss does get paid (plus an assistant) to run an editorial office for a journal on a part-time basis. Certainly the publishers have staff (I have several friends in that area). Typesetting I know less about: everyone in my area uses 3B2 I think.
 
@DominicMichaelis sorry it is still not answerable (and seems like enough people agreed that it got closed). Don't let this put you off the site though, we are usually fairly helpful I hope:-)
 
I think it became a borderline on-topic meta question
 
@JosephWright Since (La)TeX is such a specialist subject I think there's a danger that journals might withdraw the option to submit articles in LaTeX if it causes them too much hassle.
 
6:03 PM
@DominicMichaelis so would you mind if we migrate it to meta.tex.stackexchange.com?
 
oh that would be fine
 
@DominicMichaelis Probably one for the Programmers site if at all: it's an entirely general question about 'good style'
@NicolaTalbot True: physical chemistry mainly uses TeX, so often journal support is limited to that side of chemistry
 
@DominicMichaelis But it would be great if you can add a MWE with a solution that doesn't quite feel right.
 
@percusse Meta is for questions about the site itself
 
We have 874 unanswered question. Few month ago we had 300. We must become better!
 
6:06 PM
@JosephWright Oh I took it clean as in answering the questions... Hmm, that doesn't look right indeed.
 
@MarcoDaniel yes but isn't a more realistic measure the percentage of questions unanswered ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Partly, but there are only a small number that really fit in the 'good but have no answer' category.
I was a bit distracted at the last session: hopefully will be more focussed next time
 
@MarcoDaniel In fact the TikZ questions are piling up. I guess the holding-back strategy is showing some side effects...
 
@mhelvens lualatex-math going to CTAN today, so I will look to ship fixed expl3 tomorrow
 
@JosephWright someone told me i should as you about how to get LaTeX 3
 
6:13 PM
@DominicMichaelis LaTeX3 is currently mainly a programming environment, not a fully-independent format
 
@DavidCarlisle Do you know the percentage? I can find it.
@percusse Ok we need a new subpage only for TikZ ;-)
 
874 as a percentage of 35041? far too hard a sum for me
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
as a mathematic student I did found bounds for the percantage it is between 0 and 10 percent, and in addition it is computable q.e.d.
 
6:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle echo "874*100/35041" | bc -l
2.49422105533517879055
 
as i said ;)
 
We can safely round it to 2.5%, I'd say.
 
@egreg so what was it this time last year?
 
@DavidCarlisle I can't remember. One should hunt through the chat for knowing that. We should blame the moderators for not keeping good statistics.
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess we were under 2%.
@egreg Indeed ;-)
 
6:26 PM
@egreg what can you expect of chemists
 
Is there a reason not to delete my question? if no I will make it in 2 days
 
@DominicMichaelis Which one?
 
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Q: What is a clean solution?

Dominic MichaelisI would like to know what the difference is between a clean solution and a "not clean solution". So what properties does a clean solution have? Is there something like a list ? Or what makes a specific solution unclean? For example I guess \def\boxphi{\fbox{\ensuremath{\varphi}}} is no...

 
@DavidCarlisle Your self-control does you credit. :-)
@percusse holding-back strategy?
 
@DominicMichaelis \def is TeX and \newcommand is LaTeX. Your question can lead to discuss.
 
6:30 PM
@NicolaTalbot I actually was not aware that LaTeX typsetting jobs were generally available. One does not hear much about it.
Hmm, I wonder how awful typesetting as a job would be. Could get quite monotonous.
 
@FaheemMitha I did write a script for a prof in LaTeX
 
@DominicMichaelis Did you get paid?
 
yeah but i am really not good in LaTeX
i am looking at all the questions and the only thing appearing in my head is ???
 
@DominicMichaelis You can only get better.
 
@DominicMichaelis Quid ergo est tempus? Si nemo ex me quaerit, scio; si quaerenti explicare velim, nescio. I find this quotation from St. Augustine can be applied in many situations. If you have a solution before you, it's usually easy to see if it's unclean (provided it does not involve many lines of code). But defining "uncleanliness" is rather hard.
 
6:34 PM
@egreg Translation, please.
 
you are asking what time is? if no one asks me i know it
if someone wants to ask me i don't know it
 
@FaheemMitha So, what is time? If nobody asks me, I know; if I want to explain it to somebody who asks me, I don't know.
 
something like that my latin is not so bad and i first need to translate it to german and than to english, and my english is not so good too
 
@DominicMichaelis Yes, that sounds familiar.
@egreg Thanks.
Apparently Google Translate can do Latin.
 
gee it is hard to answers questions on tex.SE
Math SE is much easier
 
6:39 PM
@DominicMichaelis well people keep asking impossible questions which makes answering hard:-)
 
sounds like math overflow :)
I once asked a friend of mine (he is making is PhD) how difficult a question hase to be for math overflow, he told me if you think there is an answer, it is to easy
 
@FaheemMitha Tend to let go some questions for others to get some rep even if you know the answer. It sounds too narcissistic(?!) but I mean in a very very casual way. Quite a few TikZ questions for example are easy enough to be answered by anybody. So no need to jump in immediately.
 
@percusse Are there any easy TikZ questions?
 
@FaheemMitha There are a list of TeX consultants on the TUG site.
 
@percusse I see. I guessed this might be what it meant. Are high-rep users in tex.sx doing this as informal policy?
 
6:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle Not for you or for egreg. You are both excluded from the batch.
 
and for me too :D
 
@NicolaTalbot So I see. Thanks.
 
any gurus feel like adding an answer to this one
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Q: \autoref doesn't work correctly when used in tufte-book

Christiani want to use the \autoref command (from the hyperref package) in the document-class tufte-book. mini-example: \documentclass{tufte-book} \usepackage{hyperref} \begin{document} \section{Testsection} \label{sec:test} \begin{figure} \rule{20pt}{20pt} \caption{Testfigure} \label{fig...

 
@FaheemMitha Well it's kind of greeting every user. Might work on some. Might not on others :-) At least that's how I feel judging the answers on meta so far.
 
i found a hack (see my comment), but since I can't really explain it, I felt it better to leave it. I assume it's a combination of tufte and hyperref fighting for captioning/labelling rights?
 
6:49 PM
i never heared of \autoref
 
@cmhughes I could look, not really looked at hyperref internals for hmm a while....
 
@DavidCarlisle sounds good :)
 
@FaheemMitha It depends on the job. I don't much like working on projects where multiple authors have written dodgy LaTeX code, but I've had other typesetting tasks that have been quite fun, such as designing a catalogue for an art exhibition.
 
@NicolaTalbot Ah, so you do that kind of work? I don't see your name on the consultant list.
 
@DavidCarlisle That's why you shouldn't fiddle with TikZ questions. You might start reading the code.
then we will sit and watch 5-6 of you answering everything.
@cmhughes using cleveref package and replacing \autoref with \cref works without problems.
 
6:56 PM
@percusse yes indeed, I thought that would work. but as in my comment, it is a good work around, but I'd be interested to know why the problem exists :)
 
@FaheemMitha My primary job is a publisher, so most of the typesetting I do is for my own books. I haven't put my name on the consultant list as I don't generally have time for consultancy. The art exhibitions were charity fund-raising events, so I did that on a voluntary basis.
 
@NicolaTalbot I see.
 
@cmhughes It's probably due to tufte section command. Because cleveref too can't understand what is being labeled after section command.
 
@cmhughes The following example works without loading caption:
\documentclass{tufte-book}

\makeatletter
\renewenvironment{figure}[1][htbp]%
  {\ifvmode\else\unskip\fi\addtocounter{figure}{-1}\refstepcounter{figure}\begin{@tufte@float}[#1]{figure}{}}
  {\end{@tufte@float}}
\makeatother

\begin{document}

\section{Testsection}
\label{sec:test}

\begin{figure}
    \rule{20pt}{20pt}
    \caption{Testfigure}
    \label{fig:test}
\end{figure}

Cross Reference to \autoref{fig:test}

\end{document}
\refstepcounter redefined by hyperref puts the correct anchor.
 
@MarcoDaniel interesting, maybe you should post an answer! :)
 
7:08 PM
@cmhughes I think it's a bug of tufte.
Kevin Godby seems to be inactive. The last update is from 2011 github.com/godbyk/tufte-latex
 
@MarcoDaniel ok, I could believe that
 
7:34 PM
fixed in the comments- is this one too localized, or should I post an 'answer'
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Q: Random "ches" appearing with graphic

BrandonI'm inserting a subplot created by MATLAB into my TeX document, and in the bottom left hand corner the four letters "ches" appear. There is nothing like this in the subplot, and I don't think I have any issues in the TeX document that is creating this random message. Has anyone come across this...

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leo
hello
 
@leo Hello
 
7:50 PM
Hi @leo
 
Is there a known issue with using a backslash after \item [label] to get the description content on the line following the label?
	\begin{description}
	\item [First:] \

	    Description of first item.
	\item [Second:] \

	    Description of second item.
	\end{description}%
or is there a "official" way to move the content to its own line?
 
leo
Im using `book` document class. I want the even pages headers:
12 Cool chapter
the odd pages headers:
Cool section 13
So I have done `\renewcommand\chaptermark[1]{\markboth{#1}{}}` and `\renewcommand\sectionmark[1]{\markright{#1}}` to use `\leftmark` and `\rightmark` as arguments of some `\fancyhead` commands. But after do so, I still get:
12 Chapter 1. Cool Chapter
and
1. Cool section 13
 
@PeterGrill How about this:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{enumitem}
\begin{document}

\begin{description}[style=nextline]
 \item [First:] Description of first item.
 \item [Second:] Description of second item.
\end{description}

\end{document}
 
leo
what can I do
I have seen a related question one of these past days in the site but I dont succeded in find it
 
@cgnieder Yeah that works great. Thanks as I did not know about that. But I'd like to be able to control it a per item basis.
@leo That seems to warrant a question -- not obvious to me, but I haven't really fiddled around with that much.
 
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