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12:04 AM
Should there be a massiv downvoting for this question?
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Q: How to find the answers to this question

user26301A local sports bar surveyed 67 of its customers about their favorite teams, and the following information was obtained: 30 people were Alabama fans, 44 people were Texas fans, 23 people were Michigan fans, 20 people were both Alabama and Michigan fans, 5 people were Alabama and Michigan fans, but...

 
@Kurt Hmm there is someone now with the badge “peer pressure”: I’ve got a ‘404 Page not found’. In general we try downvoting not tooo much. There must be be a text building block, too.
 
@Speravir: Seems that the question has been deleted ...
 
@Kurt I think so.
 
kan
12:30 AM
How sad. I always keep it that: -1 ⇒ don't downvote.
 
@kan: I do also not downvote if -1 is reached.
 
kan
Nice. :)
We don't have to make the newbies feel terrible. -1 just tells them that their question is perhaps not appropriate for the site.
 
Thats the same I'm thinking. But this question was a little bit special. Perhaps a spam? A joke? Btw it was a nice mathematical question ... But I was too late to flag for migrating to mathe.SE ...
 
I didn't know that you only need three votes for deletion
good night everyone
 
@percuße good night :)
 
12:42 AM
@percuße good night!
 
 
4 hours later…
4:53 AM
I just completed the list of countries in the world here: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/a/3297/19356. Please participate if you don't mind. :-)
 
 
5 hours later…
9:47 AM
@GarbageCollector Why 256 comments if there may be, for example, just 20 countries, which are actually represented?
 
@Jake wonder why it doesn't know egreg comes from Italy?
 
@DavidCarlisle Haha, yeah, you'd think that's pretty unambiguous... Hm.
@DavidCarlisle Ah, it assumes that italians write "Italia" in their profiles... Seems a bit useless, then.
 
@Jake and down at the bottom of the other list I see we have two inhabitants from the new independent republic of Brighton. I hadn't noticed border fences being erected around that bit of the south coast:-) (But despite its quirks it is still likely to be way more accurate than a voluntary poll)
 
@DavidCarlisle Slightly improved version (Italy is fixed) data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/99208/world-cup-of-reputation
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@Jake The honour of the country restored:-)
 
Nyx
11:00 AM
How would i reduce the margin for a verbatim block?
 
11:49 AM
@Nyx you mean you want it wider than normal width? just stick it in any environment that changes the text width, quote increases margins:
\newenvironment{quote}
               {\list{}{\rightmargin\leftmargin}%
                \item\relax}
               {\endlist}
@Nyx so you can copy that to your own environment but change it to {\list{}{\leftmargin=-1cm\rightmargin\leftmargin}% and it will stick out 1cm on either side
 
12:37 PM
@egreg I voted for you even though @PeterGrill so unfairly got the tick:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle He took advantage of us being asleep.
 
12:50 PM
@Jake What about people living in Shqipëria or भारत? I bet not many Europeans know what country is the first one.
 
Friends, a quick enlightment: ...\T1/cmr/bx/n/14.4 R
T1 : encoding
cmr : font
bx: ?
n: ?
14.4: size
R: letter :)
Am I close?
 
@PauloCereda series and shape?
 
@tohecz Oh! :)
 
!!/texdef -t latex bfdefault
 
@tohecz Hold on Psmith is sleeping. :)
Done :)
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\updefault:
\long macro:->n
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\bfdefault:
\long macro:->bx
 
1:02 PM
@PauloCereda you see ;)
 
@tohecz ah! :)
 
now I gotta go, coffee, then seminar, and then "Friday cake" :)
 
@tohecz Yay, cake! :)
 
see ya later
 
See ya, Tom! :)
 
1:11 PM
@egreg Sure, there are many, many things wrong with that query. It is merely a very rough approximation (although surely, assuming that people have entered their country on an English speaking website in English is not too far-fetched)
 
Is there any reference in which I can read about the log output? I'm curious about the number of dots in the beginning of each line, and other info.
 
I've just realized that @petergrill is the leader for the "Unknown" country. Is California so remote?
@PauloCereda TeXbook
 
@egreg Hm let me check.
 
@PauloCereda If you say \showbox0 (or some other box number), the items in the box are described; the initial dots represent the level of boxing.
 
@egreg Ah interesting. I'm looking at Chapter 11.
 
1:32 PM
@PauloCereda It's easy to forget that some people look at the pdf output more than the \showoutput log.
@egreg You were the leader initially until Jake fiddled with it and you were returned to Italy
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll try to read the real document via \showoutput. :)
 
pgfplotstable tick for me! pity it wasn't but you can't have everything.
 
@DavidCarlisle And with columns/col1/.style= in the macro! Congratulations! You're starting to master PGF syntax.
 
Cultural question: is it true that the "peace and love" symbol (making V with the two fingers) is considered offensive in UK? (the finger)
 
1:49 PM
@PauloCereda I believe it depends on the orientation of the fingers.
 
@egreg Oh.
In Brazil, people might fight you if you give them the "OK" symbol.
 
2:07 PM
@egreg The only part of the answer I understood was the \expandafter I added, than heavens for MWE:-)
@PauloCereda yes the traditional symbol with knuckles forward means essentially f@@@ @ff, Winston Churchill introduced a V for victory sign with the hand reversed....
 
@DavidCarlisle oh my.
 
@PauloCereda some people suggested he was just aiming the traditional symbol over his shoulder but I couldn't possibly comment:-)
 
2:21 PM
@PauloCereda or rather more accurate (but not that different) version probably: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign
 
@DavidCarlisle Got it.
 
2:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle The \unskip tick has changed owner. :)
 
2:56 PM
@egreg much as it pains everyone to see you get further ahead. It's only fair in this case.
 
3:08 PM
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Q: 39 votes, and I can't use my last vote!

Paulo CeredaLife is unfair. While some people can vote 41 times a day, now for whatever reason I can't use my last vote, so I'm stuck at 39! It's a tragedy! :) tohecz: Paulo's profile is a good calendar: (# of votes in month)/40 = (day of month) I'm pretty sure I already spent all my 40 votes today (yo...

 
@PauloCereda I had 41 two days ago. :P
 
@egreg It's so unfair. :)
 
@PauloCereda "Madamina, il catalogo è questo" has just started. :)
 
@egreg Don Giovanni FTW. :)
 
@PauloCereda Ma in Ispagna son già mille e tre!
 
3:21 PM
@egreg I can't remember the verses. :)
 
Help me!!!!!!!!
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A: Readability and appeal of justified text

Chris DeanStiff, P. (1996). The end of the line: a survey of unjustified typography. Information Design Journal, 8(2), 125–152. No empirical data, but a good overview. Science would tell us that inconsistent word-spacing as a result of justification may inhibit saccadic eye movement by creating irregular ...

 
@PauloCereda Delle vecchie fa conquista pel piacer di porle in lista./ Sua passion predominante è la giovin principiante./ Non si picca se sia ricca, se sia brutta, se sia bella,/ purché porti la gonnella, voi sapete quel che fa.
 
@egreg :)
So were you going to vote for @egreg or me on that one? If the former it doesn't matter, if the latter I agree it's a tragedy that you were not allowed to vote. — David Carlisle 2 mins ago
@DavidCarlisle: you sir are a hero. :)
 
4:22 PM
@PauloCereda Hi Paulo :) I've really enjoyed exploring arara over the past couple of weeks :)
 
@cmhughes Hi Chris! :) I'm glad you are enjoying it. :)
Is it working so far?
 
@PauloCereda Yes, it's working wonderfully :) I have it mapped to a letter in vim, and have even made one of my own rules :)
 
@cmhughes Really? That's awesome!
 
@PauloCereda I'm hoping to make another rule called (something like) 'warnings' which would grep the .log file. It could be used something like % arara: warnings {hboxes,vboxes,references}. I'm somewhat confident that I can get it working on Linux, but may post a question to get it working on Windows :)
 
@cmhughes You could use the item iterator in the rule scope and then call % arara: warnings: { items: [ warnings, hboxes, vboxes, references ] } :) If your Windows machine has a grep version in the path, everything will work just fine. :)
BTW, the launcher is now fixed in TL for Windows. :)
 
4:29 PM
 
@tohecz A very profound text
 
@PauloCereda cool, that's great to know- I'll have to study the item iterator, it looks powerful :) I wouldn't mind using a tool other than grep if it makes it universally available- presumably arara itself uses some kind of file-searching tool?
 
@egreg I needed this image uploaded for a comment ;)
 
@cmhughes Actually it doesn't. :) If you need any help, we can construct the rule together. :) Just poke me by mail. :)
 
@tohecz I seem to remember having read that text somewhere. :)
 
4:32 PM
@egreg yeah, \lipsum[1-5] IIRC ;)
 
@tohecz \kant[1-4] is funner.
 
@egreg in which package is it?
 
@tohecz Hey! Don't you know the fundamental kantlipsum package? You surprise me!
@tohecz I'm tempted to downvote some of your answers. :P You're missing basic knowledge!
 
@PauloCereda oh ok, that sounds good- I really like the tool, and think that you and the team have done a great job- thanks for releasing it to the community :) You've got me really interested in how arara knows what to do.... :)
 
@cmhughes Thanks for the kind words. :) But I must tell you, arara does nothing more than just expanding directives into rules and them into commands. There's no magic there. :)
 
4:38 PM
@PauloCereda it does feel a bit like magic though :)
kind of like TeX and friends...
 
@egreg I wanted to make sure before I tell you that our school LaTeX install doesn't have this package :p
 
@cmhughes Ah yes. :) The expansion mechanism and the expression language are quite interesting to play with. :)
 
@PauloCereda cool, thanks Paulo! I'll try and put something together over the weekend- will let you know how it goes :)
 
4:58 PM
@cmhughes ;)
 
tell me, in a question about justification, is an answer concluding "and I always set text flush left" worth a downvote?
 
@tohecz definitively, this is abuse of the system, like using a Ferrari for farm work ;-)
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@PauloCereda 2013-02-22 18:09:41 +0100 Notice tlu_ipctask[66218] Adding arara.x86_64-darwin 2013-02-22 18:09:44 +0100 Notice tlu_ipctask[66218] Adding arara
 
5:14 PM
@bloodworks ooh
 
i missed a few tl updates lately
 
@bloodworks Same here. :) My TL (Mac) had 59 updates. :)
 
i should write a launchd event
 
5:36 PM
@egreg 3rd version of the "editor change-tracking" code done, this time using csname munging to get \newif conditionals
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A: A new environment to decide dynamically which commands to run?

Charles StewartThis does the job in 12 lines of code, giving a nestable environment and allowing edit racking to be switched on/off independently of the environment using \on{eddy}/\off{eddy \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{ulem} \usepackage{color} \def\on #1{\csname #1true\endcsname \relax} \def\...

Better tested than the last version, which is not to say well-tested.
yesterday, by egreg
\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{ulem}
\usepackage{color}
\newenvironment{analyze}[1]
  {\def\analyzename{#1}}
  {}
\newcommand{\deleteline}[2]{%
  \def\test{#1}%
  \ifx\test\analyzename % Check name (\1) matches \analyzename
    \textsuperscript{\textcolor{black}{ #1}}%
    \textcolor{red}{\sout{#2}}%
  \fi
}
\title{Latex Document}
\author{Eddy}
\begin{document}
\maketitle
\begin{analyze}{Margret}
As part of this project, we intend to study the complex structures of Latex.
\deleteline{eddy}{This line will be stroked through.}
egreg's code is very lean - I like this more than the expl3 version
 
@tohecz Since David P. C. is at the moment shown first in tex.stackexchange.com/users I searched for “David”: 33 users with this name and no family name.
 
5:53 PM
@PauloCereda I know, you do not only love ducks: pussy cat ;-)
 
@Speravir LOL
I'll never look at another CAT machine the same way again.
 
@PauloCereda Me too.
 
@egreg Not even sure where to enter the country info.
@DavidCarlisle Are you referring to the \unskip? If so looks the OP wisen'd up. :-)
 
6:26 PM
@PeterGrill you enter your location, the country info is "guessed" from it
 
6:43 PM
@PeterGrill Sorry for stealing a green tick from you. ;-)
@CharlesStewart The expl3 code allows for checking more than one editor for free. You can also decide differently what to do when no argument is specified (maybe define a global list of editors and use it).
 
@egreg Please, do you think we can do anything with this?
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A: Readability and appeal of justified text

Chris DeanStiff, P. (1996). The end of the line: a survey of unjustified typography. Information Design Journal, 8(2), 125–152. No empirical data, but a good overview. Science would tell us that inconsistent word-spacing as a result of justification may inhibit saccadic eye movement by creating irregular ...

 
7:03 PM
@tohecz I guess "San Jose, CA" is too cryptic to be parsed by the SE software. They should perhaps learn from google maps. :-)
 
@PeterGrill Try adding "USA" ("US" would not be recognized)
        WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%ADELAIDE%' THEN 'Australia'
        WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%AFGHANISTAN%' THEN 'Afghanistan'
        WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%AGGIELAND%' THEN 'United States'
        WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%AHEMEDABABD%' THEN 'India'
        WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%AHMEDABAD%' THEN 'India'
        WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%AJMER%' THEN 'India'
        WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%ALABAMA%' THEN 'United States'
        WHEN UPPER(Location) LIKE '%ALASKA%' THEN 'United States'
 
7:35 PM
Hi @PauloCereda, I think you can use Torbjørn's answer here for installing arara in TeXStudio tex.stackexchange.com/questions/99475/…
for your documentation
 
@hpesoj626 Ah how nice! Thanks. :)
 
@PauloCereda I see that you have made a lot of progress with the documentation since the last time I was here in chat. I have to admit I just used it today when I tried Torbjørn's answer and I have to say I am very impressed with the ease of use. Thanks.
 
@hpesoj626 Wow, now I'm blushed.:) I'm glad you liked it, it's been a collective effort. :)
 
@PauloCereda What about drawing a blushing duck? Is that chaos please duck a new character here? meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/3309/…
 
@hpesoj626 Oh my. :) That duck is actually a famous meme in the Internet, called Dolan Duck - based on Donald Duck from Disney. It's terribly vulgar, I added just for the fun of it. :) knowyourmeme.com/memes/dolan
 
7:49 PM
@PauloCereda lol I must be living in Mars. Yeah, well, have to hit the bed (3:49 a.m. here).
 
@hpesoj626 Good night! :)
 
J G
8:00 PM
Hey!
Has anybody used the EM algorithm before (Efficiency-Maximization)? Sorry for the non-LaTeX Q . . .
 
8:46 PM
@tohecz The OP says that well established standard typographical devices are based on "anecdotical wisdom", but offers no evidence whatsoever supporting the contrary.
 
@egreg the OP must be a Word user. :)
 
@PauloCereda So used to big rivers when the text is justified. It's surely true that rivers are distracting and less frequent in ragged right text. However, reducing the whole process of reading to rapid eye movements (saccades) seems arbitrary.
 
@egreg Indeed.
 
9:03 PM
:8228710: Good idea, but look that will just make things even worse:
 
@PauloCereda This. And the author of the accepted answer as well.
 
Are GeoGebra questions considered on topic here?
 
9:19 PM
@PeterGrill then you're screwed :p
 
@tohecz :-) I am fine being an an undefined country. I guess that would mathematically be a "primitive" country. :-)
 
@PeterGrill Does it output to LaTeX?
@PeterGrill More a "singular" one ;) "Primitive" is Andorra, it cannot be decomposed into smaller pieces ;)
 
@tohecz Yes it does, was in reference to this question which is more math then TeX AFAIK:
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Q: Hyperbola? conics?

DK06100I use Geogebra to draw by five knowing points on a plane an hyperbol. Then I used the intern command to translate into tikz code my figure. I create a file source code latex/tikz, but after compilation (pdfLaTeX), points are drawing, but not the correct hyperbola trough the fives points. Questio...

@tohecz "Primitive" is also used for terms that are undefined, that is not formally defined based on axioms or other definitions (ex set, element, true, false) -- based comment by egreg here a few days ago..
 
@PeterGrill I added (hopefully helpful) comment there
 
@tohecz Yes, good comment. I should said that, but really hate looking at machine generated tikz code. I actually tried to tweak the code at this question and then gave up:
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Q: Geometry Drawings: Coloring Arcs

Lorraine JaneI need to color in arc BC red and make my points D and C darker. Does anyone know how to do this? \documentclass[10pt]{article} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage{pgf,tikz} \usetikzlibrary{arrows} \pagestyle{empty} \begin{document} \definecolor{qqttzz}{rgb}{0,0.2,0.6} \definecolor{ttqqqq}{r...

 
9:35 PM
@PeterGrill without the code, nothing can be done. With the code, either the mistake is found or it is not, but there's a hope ;)
btw, some (not SO nice) reading:
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Q: How do we prevent piling-on or passive-aggressive comments on low-quality questions?

Jeff BI have noticed a trend that bothers me. It is not uncommon that questions, especially of new or non-regular users, are of poor quality. This leads to the inevitable "what have you tried?". There have been discussions on that on meta I am sure. However, I also see a trend of negative, or passi...

 
@tohecz :-) Soundling like a mathmetician.
 
@PeterGrill gotcha!
 
@egreg, i'm surprised at you, can you not recognise any font from a single character?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I'm tired.
Of stoopid questions, mainly.
 
9:45 PM
@DavidCarlisle Opposite of \protect. :(
 
@egreg yes I was trying to imagine a description of what \protect does that would admit an "opposite" behaviour at all, and in particular one that had anything to do with the question.
 
@DavidCarlisle Look at the linked question, which is about nonsense. :)
 
@egreg yeah, and a typical one for @David's complain: "Answering what they should have asked instead of what they asked" ;)
 
@tohecz :-)
 
gotta go, 11pm still at work
have a nice time!
 
10:00 PM
@PeterGrill your answer is basically the same as the one I gave to the linked question (although making the redefinition global is better in case the first use is in a group)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, that is where I learned it. Good point about global, I guess I need to correct it.
@DavidCarlisle Oh, is one better to use: \let\foo\relax, or \def\foo{}?
 
@PeterGrill \@empty is more nothing than \relax:
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A: What is the difference between \relax and {}?

David CarlisleIt's hard to answer the question as the two constructs are different in almost all respects so it's a matter of where to start. \relax is a single token, an unexpandable TeX primitive that does nothing when executed. {} is two tokens which (assuming the standard catcodes) mark a TeX group or no...

so \gdef\foo{} or \global\let\foo\@empty
 
@DavidCarlisle Hash memory is quite cheap, these days; but I'd use \global\let not to waste it nonetheless.
 
@egreg yes I just used \gdef\foo{} in my answer to keep the code to one line and save using \makeatletter (using \empty rather than \@empty seems a bit risky)
 
10:16 PM
@DavidCarlisle You wouldn't have done it with emTeX under the hood. ;-)
 
@egreg see I managed to identify the font used for % (by the cunning trick of asking the OP what font it is)
 
@DavidCarlisle You're the man of a thousand resources.
 
@egreg I had to notice, that your nice code for Block quote with big quotation marks and opening quote on bottom does not work, when there is a paragraph or even a new line is in. The box will get linewidth then. Luckily this is only once in my real document.
 
@Speravir That's expected. All the text is typeset on a long line, as if \par weren't there, when the \sbox is built for getting the length.
@Speravir What would you do in the case when there are two paragraphs, both short lines? I don't think there's any particularly good way to cope with this case.
A solution might be to pass an optional argument for the test, so if the first line has to be short, its length will be used for the whole environment.
 
10:36 PM
@egreg Actually I was not surprised, that this does not work with paragraphs, but I was because of the newline. Did I told you, that parts of your solution are Voodoo? :-)
 
@Speravir Oh, no! DON'T use \newline or \\, they're evil in normal text.
 
@egreg I just did this as a trial instead of the paragraph.
 
@Speravir The approach with the optional argument with text stating the width seems to work well.
\NewEnviron{simplequest}[1][]{%
  \normalfont
  \adjustwidth{3em}{3em}
  \settowidth{\dimen@}{\sopeningquote\kern.4em\sclosingquote}%
  \dimen@=\dimexpr\linewidth-\dimen@\relax
  \setbox\simplequestbox=\vtop{
    \@parboxrestore\itshape
    \hsize=\dimexpr\dimen@-\pgfkeysvalueof{/pgf/inner xsep}*2\relax % thanks, Jake
    \if\relax\detokenize{#1}\relax
      \sbox\z@{\BODY}
      \ifdim\wd\z@>\hsize
        \noindent\BODY\par
      \else
	\box\z@
      \fi
    \else
      \sbox\z@{#1}
      \hsize\wd\z@
\begin{simplequest}[Dies hier ist ein Blindtext.]
Dies hier ist ein Blindtext.

Wer diesen Text liest, ist selbst schuld.
\end{simplequest}
 
@egreg I have to investigate, again …
 
Weird. I have a modification to section formatting using memoir.cls here that fails to compile with pdflatex but works with lualatex
 
10:43 PM
@kahen Strange indeed
 
@egreg Yes! Works fine. Please add this to the answer. Of course, one must use the longest line, then.
 
The offending line appears to be \setsecnumformat{\relax\makebox[0pt][l]{\csname the#1\endcsname}\hskip\secnumlen} (secnumlen is the length of "00.00" in the section font)
 
@kahen Can you make up a MWE?
 
I'll have a go at it, sure. Where do you want it pasted?
Just regular old pastebin?
eh... wut? that doesn't seem to work with lualatex either. But my other document does?!
 
@kahen The error is the same with both engines
 
10:54 PM
I noticed that too. But I have another bigger file where lualatex does work and pdflatex doesn't
 
@egreg Speaking of strange things: You use in your code the commands instead of the environment adjustwidth. As I adjusted this to KOMA-Script, I used the built in addmargin, and so: \addmargin{3em} and \endaddmargin, of course. But in my real document with lots of pacakges this broke while or straight after \maketitle. Alas I could not reproduce this until now in a minimal document, obviously it was too minimal.
 
@kahen \protect\makebox
@Speravir Use the syntax that doesn't produce errors. ;-)
@Speravir One should know how Markus Kohm defines addmargin.
 
Ah. I never had problems with that without \protect back when I used something similar with book.cls + titlesec.sty
 
@egreg Aah, yes I forgot to mention, that I switched to the environment, of course.
 
@egreg that still doesn't explain why the heck lualatex doesn't have problems with my original file, but pdflatex does. That just doesn't make any sense to me
 
10:58 PM
@egreg But because it worked in a minimal document, there must be other packages involved.
 
@Speravir Divide and conquer. :)
@kahen Without an example it's hard to tell.
@kahen It's simpler like this, anyway: \setsecnumformat{\protect\makebox[\secnumlen][l]{\csname the#1\endcsname}}
 
Thanks! That's indeed nicer
Next challenge... getting paper size and everything just right. Memoir is a bit daunting sometimes :)
 
@egreg Oooh, I must correct: I now compiled my full document again with commands instead of environment and no error occurred! It must have been a remnant from an earlier compilation (no typo, this I would have noticed, when I changed to environment before).
@egreg Because I had searched for and found:
\newenvironment{addmargin}{%
  \@tempswafalse\@addmargin
}{%
  \advance\@listdepth\@ne
  \endlist
}
\newenvironment{addmargin*}{%
  \@tempswafalse
  \if@twoside\ifthispageodd{}{\@tempswatrue}\fi
  \@addmargin
}{%
  \advance\@listdepth\@ne
  \endlist
}
\newcommand*{\@addmargin}[2][\@tempa]{%
  \list{}{%
    \if@tempswa
      \def\@tempa{\leftmargin}%
      \setlength{\leftmargin}{#2}%
      \setlength{\rightmargin}{#1}%
    \else
      \def\@tempa{\rightmargin}%
      \setlength{\rightmargin}{#2}%
 
11:15 PM
@Speravir This is a case where it's better not to use the "command form", because of the assignments in the "begin" and "end" parts.
 
@egreg Short notice in the beginning of your answer? Because I wrote a bit about the different environments in my code example. BTW I do not know, if memoir makes some redefinitions …
 
@Speravir I guess I'll revert to the environment form myself.
 
@egreg Or this way, yes. And not to forget: Thank you once more!
 
@kahen Here's what I use for a book
\setstocksize{24cm}{17cm}
\settrimmedsize{\stockheight}{\stockwidth}{*}
%%%
\settypeblocksize{18.5cm}{12.5cm}{*}
\setlrmargins{2.25cm}{*}{*}
\setulmargins{*}{*}{1}
\checkandfixthelayout
\fixpdflayout
But it cost me much labor to guess the correct values.
 
@egreg: 24x17cm seems pretty common. Is there any reason to specify stock size different from trimmed size? The print shop can always set it up for mass production, right?
 
11:24 PM
@kahen Good question. I don't know; I pass the PDF to the print shop with that format and they never complained after three editions. :)
 
Is it me, or is 24x17cm a very normal size for books? I looked at my shelf and I found lots of books right around that size - particularly math books
Any particular reason why you used \fixpdflayout manually? I thought memoir handled that itself. I think that's part of the reason why it loads ifxetex, ifluatex and ifpdf
 
11:42 PM
@kahen it is quite possible, 17cm goes along well with the good line length, and 24cm is 17cm*sqrt(2). Actually, 17x24 is B5, if I remember correctly (one of the most popular paper sizes for good prints)
 
@Speravir yeah, 17x24 seems to suit the size after cut
 
@tohecz Yepp.
 
Just be happy that you don't have to print things for the SCOTUS: aarongreenspan.com/writing/essay.html?id=87
 
11:58 PM
@tohecz Do you know whether one can get hyphenated ragged right paragraph layout?
 
@mafp you can, with some tricks
!!/texdef -t latex raggedright
 
@mafp I’m not @tohecz, but I think this should work with ragged2e.
 

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