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12:34 AM
When I use tabs in my editor to produce some code and then paste the code to the main site in an answer, the tabs get lost (if I then copy the code from the answer into my editor, the tabbing is gone); is that normal? Is there a way in which I can keep the tabs? - You must login to post
 
12:52 AM
@GonzaloMedina Which editor do you use, Gonzalo? :)
 
1:11 AM
@PauloCereda TeXworks
 
@GonzaloMedina Hm interesting, I was looking for some option in TeXworks for converting tabs to spaces, but it seems the editor doesn't have it. Could you test something for me? Open a terminal, go to a test folder with a "problematic" .tex file and run expand <filename>.tex, then open it in TeXworks and try to paste into an answer.
expand will convert tabs to spaces.
Odd, I never had problems pasting code from TeXworks in my Firefox. :(
 
@PauloCereda I did the test and no joy! After copying the expanded version into an answer and re-copying to my editor, tabs are gone and replaced by spaces.
 
@GonzaloMedina Oh. :( Ubuntu + Chrome?
 
1:43 AM
@GonzaloMedina: Could you try the same procedure with Firefox? I read that there are some potential copy/paste issues with Chrome.
Hm someone mentioned that the Skype Click to Call feature might conflict.
 
@PauloCereda Yes, Chrome! I'll try with Firefox afer my cigarette!
 
@GonzaloMedina :) Tell me if it works. :)
 
1:59 AM
@Paulo ^^
(Skype -- Click to Call interference).
 
@KannappanSampath LOL so that's how Neo contacts Tank! :D Matrix Matrix wink wink :)
 
@PauloCereda Hmm! ;-)
 
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@GonzaloMedina I find Chrome not able to load chat or mathjax properly.
 
@PauloCereda Yes; it worked using Firefox. Fortunately I almost never use tabs in my code ;-)
 
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@paulo Ubuntu 12.10 will probably have a GNOME shell spin!
 
2:07 AM
@GonzaloMedina Yay! :D
@WillHunting Oh no! :)
@GonzaloMedina: All my editors are set to expand tabs to spaces. Tabs are evil, I say! :)
 
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@PauloCereda My current first choice is still Debian with GNOME. I am looking forward to the next release which will finally have GNOME shell.
 
@WillHunting Oh cool. Is the new release near?
 
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@PauloCereda Maybe Dec or Jan...
 
I think OpenSuSE is also a great choice. One of the best distros I ever found, very polished. Germans, of course. <3 :)
 
Talking about *nix, I am planning to kill windows. I would like to use some *nix dist. So, which would be ideal? I'd be using for largely technical things.
 
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2:09 AM
@PauloCereda I just learnt the proper pronunciation a while ago.
 
@PauloCereda, see <https://github.com/jcsalomon/smarttabs>. (Code’s not mine, I just bundled a few branches together.)
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@KannappanSampath Beginner?
 
@WillHunting I have no idea. :)
 
@WillHunting Yes. But, I am sure, I'll find my way pretty quickly.
 
@J.C.Salomon Awesome! :) And I love the comic strip. :)
 
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2:11 AM
@KannappanSampath Let me give you my quick overview then.
 
@WillHunting Probably at the same time of F18.
 
@WillHunting Sure, please do. :-)
 
@PauloCereda, also not mine.
 
@J.C.Salomon :)
 
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@KannappanSampath Choose from four major desktop environments (application sets and general appearance): LXDE, XFCE, KDE, GNOME. Choose from the four major distro sets: Debian/Ubuntu/Mint, Fedora/CentOS, openSuse, Mageia which use the package managers apt, yum, zypper and urpmi respectively. Burn live DVD to try without installing.
 
2:15 AM
@WillHunting Now, I am going to use this on a laptop. Do I still exercise Choice 1? (Sorry about that newbie question.)
 
I second @WillHunting's suggestions, except for the CentOS part. That distro makes me want to punch horses. :)
 
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@KannappanSampath What is your hardware, 32-bit or 64-bit? What about the RAM?
 
I know it's an unusual request but could two of you please upvote this question tex.stackexchange.com/q/70015/3954 so that the questioner can be invited to a private chat room for discussing his problem in detail? Comments are horrible for code!
 
@GonzaloMedina I have something embarassing to say: I'm out of votes already. :(
 
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@GonzaloMedina Done!
 
2:19 AM
No need to upvote the "yet to be" answer ;-)
@PauloCereda I can't believe it ;-)
@WillHunting Thank you!
 
@GonzaloMedina I need to cure my serial voting addiction. :)
 
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@PauloCereda Hehe, someone lost 300 over points when I deleted my fitness account.
 
@WillHunting Ouch! :) When you delete an account, all of your votes get removed too?
 
@WillHunting I am now using windows 7 64 bit OS on a 4GB ram.
 
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@PauloCereda Yes, unfortunately.
 
2:22 AM
@WillHunting My plan is to become a SE dev, so I can add backdoors to the infrastructure. :D
 
Arghh! I thought that 20 rep. was the required limit to invite someone to a chat room!
 
@GonzaloMedina You could explicitly grant read and write rights.
 
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@KannappanSampath Ah, I was asking about the processor but if you are running 64-bit OS then your chip must be 64-bit. I suggest you try 64-bit Fedora live CD with GNOME desktop then. It has a Windows 8 like interface and is not a big download.
 
@KannappanSampath I didn't know that. Thanks. Anyways, 20 was indeed the limit so now the user has enough rep to discuss in a chat room. Thanks to those who upvoted (not to you, @PauloCereda (just kidding)).
 
@GonzaloMedina LOL
 
2:25 AM
@WillHunting Thanks for your suggestion.
I'll try and tell you how it goes.
 
@Gonzalo: Now I have a moral obligation to put that question in the first place of my TO VOTE list of questions for tomorrow. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh! You upvote at the strike of the hour, is it?
Serial Voter. :)
 
@KannappanSampath Half an hour, I'd say. :P
 
@PauloCereda Hmmm!
You must be one of those organised lot!
 
@PauloCereda So your vote speed is 1 vote each 45 seconds?
 
2:34 AM
@GonzaloMedina Duck quacks at that rate too. :P
 
@GonzaloMedina Yep. :)
 
Food time. Later.
 
@KannappanSampath ¡Que aproveche!
@PauloCereda Do you know why tabs are problematic using Chrome? Even better, do you know if there's some way to fix it? Not that I use tabs a lot (in fact, today was the first time I used them in perhaps all my life) but I don't like things not working correctly.
 
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@GonzaloMedina First time? Haha.
 
@GonzaloMedina I'll take a look at my Chrome under Fedora and see if I can reproduce the copy/paste behaviour. I suspect that there are some third-party apps that are interfering with Chrome's rendering engine (like Skype's Click to Call), but I want to be sure. Don't worry, we will find a fix for it. :)
 
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2:51 AM
@KannappanSampath Unless it is Donald Duck!
 
@WillHunting Yes; i don't remember using tabs before.
 
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@GonzaloMedina Firefox and Internet Explorer has tabs too, in case you did not know...
 
@PauloCereda But don't waste too much time on this!
@WillHunting I think we are talking about two different things.
@WillHunting I am talking about using the "tab" key on the keyboard to produce horizontal space.
 
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@GonzaloMedina Oh, hahahaha!
 
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ROFL
 
2:56 AM
@WillHunting Now I understand your surprise when I said "never used tabs before" and you were thinking about the navigator tabs...
@Werner Hi!
 
3:12 AM
@GonzaloMedina Ho!
 
Back. From. Food.
 
 
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5:14 AM
@WillHunting It is a reference to wiki.contextgarden.net/Humour#Installation_chant - I was in a "name change" mood :)
 
 
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@PauloCereda: 103071 messages were written in this chat room. 21.3k were written by you ;-) -- I think you earn an extra gold badge for this :-)
 
Hello
 
 
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8:01 AM
@PauloCereda @GonzaloMedina Thank you for the cheerful comments :). Amazingly I got the matrices badge just by drawing them.
I'm the Justin Bieber of math-mode.
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8:41 AM
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Q: My phd supervisor wants me to use Word because they can't edit LaTeX. What to do?

user1134241How do I make it possible for my supervisor to edit my thesis while using LaTeX? I submit a pdf document but they want to edit it.... how do I do this without switching to MS Word?

I think we were asked the same thing, more or less, before, with an answer which I think is similar to my comment
 
8:52 AM
@JosephWright I was going to suggest the answer I'd have given my supervisor in that circumstance but suspect I can't post that on a public forum.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'd suggest 'Yes, of course'
:-)
 
9:03 AM
@JosephWright I tend to agree. On the other hand, I believe that such question should get a lot of up-votes simply for the fact that he's not willing to lose LaTeX!
 
@DavidCarlisle I'd probably sue the supervisor.
 
@egreg I want to know why the supervisor needs to edit the thesis. Sounds suspicious to me.
 
@AndrewStacey I can imagine only one reason. And it's not nice.
 
@egreg I guess some disciplines like to start their collaborations early.
Though maybe it's that the supervisor wants to add comments directly into the Word file to save paper. So the real answer is to buy them an iPad so they can scribble directly on the PDF.
 
@AndrewStacey You can do that even on a Windoze box. The first thesis I followed was finally published as a two author paper (he was a rather brilliant student at his fourth year), because we made some additions later on.
 
9:20 AM
@AndrewStacey Sounds perfectly normal to me
@AndrewStacey Commenting, typos, needing the content for papers
 
@JosephWright None of those require actual editing.
 
@AndrewStacey Typos do: 'Track Changes'.
 
@JosephWright This is this mysterious "track changes" that I hear so often as being the one way that Word triumphs over LaTeX. What, exactly, does it do?
 
@AndrewStacey You make edits that can be accepted or rejected by the author. So this is good for making suggestions on a thesis, as you can do minor rephrases or fix typos, and the person who did the writing can see what was changed, and use it without having to retype themselves
 
@AndrewStacey it implements a poor mans RCS which is a poor mans CVS which is a poor mans SVN which is a ...within the editor
 
9:24 AM
@DavidCarlisle Not really, as the data is within the document and more importantly you don't have to be a programmer to use it
 
@JosephWright Why on earth would I want to do that? If there's a typo, I circle it and leave it to the student to figure out how best to fix it. Sometimes fixing a minor typo means rephrasing an entire sentence and it's the student's words, not mine, so they should decide.
 
@AndrewStacey Of course, it's also useful when coauthoring material, where you might want bigger changes
@AndrewStacey Yes, rephrasing is important, but that's the job of a good proofreader (~ editor)
 
@JosephWright I take an SVN/CVS approach to writing papers. We have one designated author (usually me) and everyone else sends their stuff for inclusion.
@JosephWright But it's the job of the author to actually write it.
 
@AndrewStacey Yes and no. Particularly with people who's first language is not English you do have to provide models
 
@JosephWright Fine, but then I talk to them and explain one then leave it to them to figure out the rest (I do work in Norway, remember; their English might be excellent but it's not perfect.)
 
9:28 AM
@AndrewStacey It's partly about what people are used to. I normally do my reading on printed copies, but if the author is in-and-out or I'm away then they need the info electronically.
 
IMHO, Word really beats LaTeX with its "Track changes". I have been using it sometimes and it's a great thing really, which can be substituted by SVN or similar, but I think the Word's one is better.
 
@JosephWright Which is why I scribble all over the PDF on my iPad, then send it to them electronically.
 
@tohecz Certainly works well when the document is co-authored (so @AndrewStacey's concern about who's work it is is not an issue)
@AndrewStacey But then they have to print it off!
 
@JosephWright Why?
 
@AndrewStacey So they can see the PDF (i.e. print) while editing. Most people I know do everything with Word full screen, and close it to swap windows.
 
9:31 AM
@JosephWright Certaiinly works with language editorial of a journal, and with math editorial too actually. You can finally get rid of "p. 6 l. -11 missing (x) after f"
 
@AndrewStacey What about the danger of misunderstanding. If I write out one or two paragraphs as a suggestion, I'd rather that someone else does not then need to rekey.
 
@JosephWright Then that's just plain daft.
 
@AndrewStacey It's how most people seem to work.
 
@tohecz Nothing beats a great big red circle around the f.
 
@AndrewStacey You still need to say what is wrong
 
9:33 AM
@AndrewStacey Because there're prople who don't know how (and don't want to) use writing into PDF files, electronic pencils etc. There're people who are more than happy to be able to use one system
 
@JosephWright Note in the margin if it's not blindingly obvious.
 
(and trust me, these people incude thesis supervisor, language editors etc etc)
 
@AndrewStacey I guess it very much depends on who you work with :-)
 
@JosephWright Which is why I second the suggestion at the question to get a new supervisor! One who is flexible with regard to his or her students' working methods.
 
For me, another reason for wanting the Word versions is that they contain the ChemDraw pictures I need. You can't extract them from the PDF versions, so the source really is needed for writing papers.
@AndrewStacey In chemistry, I think almost every supervisor would expect to be sent Word files :-)
 
9:35 AM
@JosephWright Which explains a lot about the state of chemistry ...
 
I certainly have to work that way
@AndrewStacey It 'works for us'
@AndrewStacey I've just started as a lecturer, and am in the slightly odd situation of having the reverse problem. I'd prefer LaTeX material, but I'll probably have people who will insist on sending me Word. Flexibility demands I don't insist on LaTeX :-)
I think the reason Track Changes is regarded as a clever idea is because the changes are not something you have to worry about: they are 'just there' in the file. Version control methods don't have that (if I e-mail a .tex file to someone, any change information doesn't go with it).
 
@JosephWright Can't you insist on being sent the PDF?
 
@AndrewStacey Won't help much: I'm thinking specifically of writing papers and the like
@AndrewStacey Undergrad stuff comes on dead trees anyway
@AndrewStacey Most of our funding and admin material has to be submitted in Word format (that's a general thing, not just my university)
 
@JosephWright In which case it doesn't matter whether Word or LaTeX was used to produce it, does it?
 
@AndrewStacey Like I say, I'm not really worrying about undergrad stuff (yet)
 
9:43 AM
@AndrewStacey or a biro (which is what I used for my thesis)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle We still get a reasonable amount of that, as drawing chemicals is a skill much easier to acquire with a pen and paper than on a PC
 
@DavidCarlisle Haven't seen one of them for years.
 
@AndrewStacey Exams?
 
@AndrewStacey I haven't seen my thesis for years either
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@JosephWright Biros.
 
9:44 AM
@AndrewStacey Ah, right
 
@DavidCarlisle Have you tried down the back of the sofa?
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@AndrewStacey please sir, the dog ate my homework
 
@DavidCarlisle Or the 8-yr old used it for his homework.
 
@AndrewStacey he uses Word:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle You mean he hasn't gotten a Raspberry Pi and implemented his own version of TeX? I'm shocked! What do they teach kids in school these days?
 
9:47 AM
@AndrewStacey We're expecting a TeX on Raspberry Pi demo at the UK-TUG meeting :-)
 
school starts tomorrow:-( (have yours started yet?)
 
@JosephWright Yippee! And I'll bring my iPad and show you all TeX on that (memory is now big enough, by the way - am preparing a blog post about it).
@DavidCarlisle Tomorrow for us as well.
 
@AndrewStacey Have you been following the questions on (I think) the MacTeX list about the legality or otherwise of this?
 
Bit nerve-racking - it's the youngest's first day in school ever. We fully expect him to try to talk to the teacher's in Norwegian.
@JosephWright No. Got a link?
 
9:52 AM
@AndrewStacey great time, isn't it? Similar situation here
 
@Mr.Gundla Still got some four years to go until that time ;-)
 
@JosephWright Is "Buy your advisor a copy of The LaTeX Companion" a valid answer? :)
@StephanLehmke: ooh you are close to 10k! :)
 
10:07 AM
@PauloCereda ...and I think there is a certain specific person I need to thank for that :-)
Currently working on an answer to
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Q: Two-column text with circular insert

MaesumiHow does one write on the outside of a circle? I am looking for sample files/packages which imitate a magazine lay-out. Specifically a page with two columns having a circular picture between the two columns. Example of the desired layout, created using Word:

I hope I'll make it within the time for the bounty ;-)
 
@JosephWright Seems the developer is one step ahead of them: litchie.com/blog/?p=419
@Mr.Gundla Yes, start of a new stage: all kids in school (and all kids in the same school - something that was not certain when we moved here).
@DavidCarlisle The racket has started up again outside the department. If I hear "We will rock you" one more time I might just go mad and find the mains plug powering the whole she-bang.
 
@AndrewStacey pining for the fiords?
 
@DavidCarlisle In a sort of lemming fashion.
Already spotted a typo in the README, and - more seriously - I clean forgot to mention TeX-SX as inspiration.
 
@Mr.Gundla Today's Clara's birthday. Jan gave her his bike as a present ;-)
Now the elder three all have serious gears and we can start on some real tours :-)
 
10:24 AM
@StephanLehmke Yay, happy birthday! :)
 
10:40 AM
@AndrewStacey Ah right: I've not followed all of the detail of the discussion
@AndrewStacey Planning to have a browse later. I might have some 'LaTeX3 best practice' comments if that's OK
 
@JosephWright Please do! I learnt a lot from Bruno going through my code, but I'm sure there's still plenty to learn.
loopspace.mathforge.org/discussion/11/my-user-interface-library The content itself probably is not of interest to anyone here, but the method by which it was written might be. As it's about an iPad application and I wanted to be able to cut-and-paste between the app and the post, I wrote the post on my iPad. As I write everything in LaTeX now, I wrote it in the new TeX-on-iPad app. I had to do a bit of post-processing on my computer ...
... which are all because of the way my LaTeX-to-Markdown converter works ... but other than that, it was an entirely iPadded document.
 
@AndrewStacey In tex.stackexchange.com/q/70063/7049 the question is about the patterns, however, haven't you recently answered a similar question which noted that patterns are "fixed" on the page and thus altering their appearance can not be made? Or was it about decorations?
 
@zeroth Sounds vaguely familiar (unfortunately, I don't remember all my own contributions on this site - several times I think "How does one do that?" only to find that the answer on this site was written by me). Here's one by JLDiaz that explains the difficulties: tex.stackexchange.com/a/65270/86
 
10:56 AM
@AndrewStacey, :) ok, thanks a lot, that also seems familiar. I could not find that one. But that one seems to be a duplicate. I will flag it as a duplicate.
 
@zeroth Give it a whirl first with a canvas transform just to be on the safe side.
 
ok, will do that... :)
 
@AndrewStacey Happens to me all the time. :)
 
@egreg Speaking of which, you are close to a new milestone: 3k answers! :)
 
@egreg Somehow I doubt that the "thinking 'How does one do that?'" bit happens to you all that often.
@PauloCereda Which means I'm about 166megreg (milli-egreg).
 
11:00 AM
@AndrewStacey ooh neat! :) I wonder if the next version of siunitx will feature \milli\egreg. (one for @JosephWright) :)
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Q: Is it morally right and pedagogically right to google answers to homework?

yoyosteinThis is a soft question that I have been struggling with lately. My professor sets tough questions for homework (around 10 per week). The difficulty is such that if I attempt the questions entirely on my own, I usually get stuck for over 2 hours per question, with no guarantee of succeeding. S...

 
@PauloCereda And at 12 answers in the tag for the gold badge.
 
@egreg Yay, another milestone! :)
 
@PauloCereda Next there's the gold badge: -17
 
@PauloCereda Now that I know how to create favicons using LaTeX and arara, I'm unhappy with the ones I'm using at my sites. Got any suggestions for a favicon for a forum for maths students? (The site name translates as "Maths Chat")
 
@AndrewStacey Hm how about something achieved with math chars? :)
Someone staring. :)
 
11:12 AM
@PauloCereda I like it.
user image
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COOL! :D
 
@PauloCereda you just like it because it's got a beak
 
@AndrewStacey: I wonder if you'll come up with a TikZ-based solution. :)
@DavidCarlisle Oops. :)
 
@AndrewStacey It still persists the problem.
 
@zeroth It was a long shot.
 
11:23 AM
However, i can not flag it... It seems as though i already have flagged it, but i haven't! Would somebody flag tex.stackexchange.com/q/70063/7049 as a dublicate of tex.stackexchange.com/a/65270/86
@AndrewStacey yes, i didn't presume it would. They are still perfectly aligned :( Although it can create quite nice structures when one thinks about the possibilites of overlaying different nodes on top of each other!
 
@PauloCereda My original one was a TikZ one:
(Oh bother, imgur doesn't take ico's.)
 
@AndrewStacey thanks! :)
 
But I can still post a link to the site: loopspace.mathforge.org The corner logo, the favicon, the background of the header, and the background behind the paper were done with TikZ
 
@AndrewStacey Awesome! I love both patterns. :)
 
@AndrewStacey [VCS wars alert] Ought to try git...
 
12:18 PM
@PauloCereda And in place: mattesnakk.mathforge.org
 
@AndrewStacey Yay! Great artwork!
 
@PauloCereda Great idea!
 
@AndrewStacey Our idea. :)
 
 
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Can anybody help me a bit to steer through
 
@StephanLehmke Sure! :)
 
Can I create a "room" for my own stuff there or do I just upload files and if so, how? Or should I connect through some VCS protocol?
 
I think you need to use bzr.
I think Andrew can add you to the list of committers.
 
@PauloCereda Ok, installed bzr. What do I need to checkout?
 
@StephanLehmke Go with: bzr branch lp:tex-sx
 
1:58 PM
@StephanLehmke To upload then Paulo is right: I need to add you to the list. In the past, people have somehow triggered a request which I've responded to. Is it obvious how to do that? I guess there's probably some way in which I can add people without that but I'm none too experienced with launchpad.
(I see from the starred list that some picture I uploaded has the upload name NAFNS. This ought to be the acronym for a reason-to-close a question. Suggestions?)
 
@AndrewStacey Brilliant. :)
 
@StephanLehmke I would appear to be at the wrong computer anyway - I don't have the password with me so if you figure out how to send the request, I can approve it tonight.
 
@AndrewStacey Well I'm not too experienced with any of this. I'm just trying to setup bzr in the hope that as soon as I do anything forbidden, you will be notified ;-)
 
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I find that most pictures in this room get stars.
 
NAFNS: Not A Fair Neutral Subject?
 
2:08 PM
@StephanLehmke If all you do is branch the code to your own system, I won't get notified of any of it. Where I become involved is if you want to push your code to the launchpad site: I have to give you permission to do that (which I am perfectly happy to do).
 
@WillHunting From the current sample, it looks more like 50%.
 
@PauloCereda Not Another Flippin' Neural Scientist?
(Pardon my French)
 
@AndrewStacey Ok, how do I do that?
 
@AndrewStacey Love it. :)
 
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@StephanLehmke Sorry I was reading the transcript. Who is Clara?
 
2:10 PM
@StephanLehmke Which bit?
 
@WillHunting My youngest daughter. We celebrated her birthday today (for about 30 minutes before she had to go to school ;-)
 
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@StephanLehmke OMG, I thought you were a kid yourself from your pic!
 
@AndrewStacey The push. I'd like to put up the pullquote package I'm currently working on, because it's getting too large to paste into an answer. So I just added the current state and commited. But so far, it all seems to be local.
 
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It seems most people in this room have kids. :-)
 
@WillHunting Well the photo is about 7 years old, so it's about as old as her. I look really wizened by now ;-)
 
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2:14 PM
I think Paulo has no kids though. :-)
 
@StephanLehmke Yes, that's because you did a branch (which is the right thing to do). To upload the code, you need to do a push: bzr push lp:tex-sx (once you've done one push, it will remember the location). This is where you need to be added to the list of commmmmittttttters (sorry, spell-checker went haywire for a moment). To do that, you'll need a launchpad account and to request access to the tex-sx area.
@StephanLehmke You can also add ssh keys to your launchpad account (once you have one) which make the upload pretty seamless.
 
@AndrewStacey Ok, tried this now and got Transport operation not possible: readonly transport. If you aren't notified now, we need to find another way.
@AndrewStacey I already did that and it did access my key after the push.
 
@PauloCereda The answers to that question are the precise reason that I want to get out of the academia :) Maybe 50 years later, math will be out of this nerd anger and we'll start seeing the cleverness and ingenuity after the dust settles
Not that I mean there is none right now but only exclusive to those who speak the lingo that they've created.
 
@StephanLehmke I suspect you need to join the group via the launchpad page before trying the bzr push. I didn't get a notification from the push attempt.
If you're logged in to launchpad, you should see a "join" link somewhere on launchpad.net/~tex-sx
 
@AndrewStacey Ok, found it. I'm totally lost on this site. It's beyond my information processing capabilities (just like sourceforge).
@AndrewStacey Now you should get notified...
 
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2:25 PM
@AndrewStacey I just learnt about this site! Haha. I thought only Ubuntu was there.
 
@StephanLehmke It's beyond mine as well. I use it because I use bzr as my VCS, but beyond that I do everything on my computer and just use bzr push and bzr pull.
@StephanLehmke Yup, I have the notification. I'll approve it when I get home (and get the password).
@WillHunting They started it, but it's now (as I understand it) the github for bzr.
 
@AndrewStacey I'm seeing a bunch of individual files. It's a bit hard to distinguish who "owns" what. This structure seems to be good if several people are working on a single project consisting of several files, but not good for a "container" where everyone is developing their own project. Soon I won't remember which files are mine. Would it be ok if I created a folder to put my stuff in?
 
@StephanLehmke Absolutely!
There's been no particular (that I can remember) decision on how to organise the project. The purpose of it was to continue the feeling of "working together" that one gets by working on some code on this site and thus to make it so that the resulting code/package has more of a "developed by TeX-SX" feel than it otherwise would.
Of course, for any particular piece the chances are that there will be one person mainly working on it, but still I like having the central location so that if it does happen that someone else wants to try it out and contribute then they can.
 
@AndrewStacey Uh-Oh. You seem to be the only contributor. I saved that URL because I seemed to remember it was a repository for stuff that came out of TeX.SE. I don't want to intrude!
 
@StephanLehmke It's definitely not an intrusion!
If I wanted a place simply to put my code before it was ready to upload to CTAN, I could use my website.
 
2:41 PM
@AndrewStacey Ok, I understand. I'll try to keep with the communistic attitude for the time being ;-)
 
I also know that if it weren't for this site, I wouldn't have dared to make a package for CTAN.
 
@AndrewStacey You avoided my baptism of fire ('make it up as you go along')
 
For those who are reading through and weren't here for the very start, the original proposal (which also explains some of my thinking behind it) is here:
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Q: What are your favourite TikZ/PGF answers?

Andrew StaceyI proposed in chat that we put together a "Best of TikZ on TeX-SX" package. There have been some really neat answers to problems developed on the site, and I think it would be nice to put them together in to some sort of easily usable state. My reasons are: It's easier to download a single pa...

And to make it very clear: the TikZ/PGF focus was purely to avoid the "Let's do everything ... oh, we've done nothing" problem.
 
I'm very happy to see Marc van Dongen back here. :)
 
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@PauloCereda Ah, the guy who wrote the LaTeX book!
 
2:48 PM
@PauloCereda For some definition of "back". Seems he's still not answering or asking questions.
 
@AndrewStacey One step at a time. :)
 
@doncherry Thanks! I forgot that one - there are so many places to note a new package. I'm also hoping that at least @cjorssen will publish his code so that the list there has more than one element.
@PauloCereda True.
 
@AndrewStacey Uh you lost me here. Is there a connection between this meta question and the launchpad site? I seem to have remembered everything wrong :-(
 
3:07 PM
@StephanLehmke For that you need to read the follow-up:
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Q: TikZ/PGF answer package, Part 2

CaramdirThere is a great list of packageable tikz-pgf answers at the previous thread. So now we need to start thinking about how we move on from here. Some points to consider: Where do we host the code? Where should we host discussion? And bug tracking, etc. ? What coding style do we use? Self-documen...

 
@AndrewStacey Ok, thanks a lot for all this info. It seems I indeed remembered it wrong. Next time I'll ask here immediately before jumping to action.
@AndrewStacey And sorry for making such a fuss about this here.
 
@StephanLehmke Didn't notice any fuss!
 
3:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle Congratulations for becoming "Legendary"!
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@lockstep Wow, not many people have that on SE!
 
ooh congrats @DavidCarlisle! :D
 
struth you both noticed before I did:-)
 
@AndrewStacey Well I see it's really exclusively about TikZ. Isn't there any other repository for non-TikZ TeX.SE related stuff? Or would it have to go on CTAN///exptl?
 
@DavidCarlisle Another step towards the overtake. :)
 
4:00 PM
@StephanLehmke It was originally about TikZ/PGF purely because, as I said above, I wanted to be sure that it had a good chance of starting. We had a lot of TikZ/PGF answers that could become packages so it seemed a good way to focus attention. It also fitted the skill-set of those that originally seemed enthusiastic.
But there's never been a restriction on contributing.
 
@AndrewStacey Ok, so is there a non-TikZ contribution yet? :-)
 
So the TikZ-theme has continued mainly because I'm probably the main contributor to it and the things that I put up tend to be TikZ-related.
Then others who think about contributing usually do so because they know of it from me, and the reason they've bumped into it is because it's been mentioned on a TikZ question! Vicious circle!
 
Another question: is there a thread linking the meta-postings to the files in the repository? Maybe I just didn't look in the right place.
 
@egreg Overtaking seems a bit hard: I couldn't keep up with you even when you were on holiday....
 
@StephanLehmke Looking at the files, no. The closest you would get would be the hobby code where the core is actually 99% LaTeX3.
@StephanLehmke Not that I'm aware of. Organisation has never been my strong point.
 
4:04 PM
@DavidCarlisle Congratulations anyway! Fifth legendary user!
 
@egreg thanks.
 
@AndrewStacey Ok, so I'll be the pioneer here. The launchpad site itself looks really neutral, only the meta-thread is very focused towards TikZ. Maybe I'll open another Meta thread inviting non-TikZ contributions (I hope I can refer to you in this).
 
@StephanLehmke Absolutely! My original meta-post contained the line "This is only the first of many ...". So what you're proposing/doing is continuing the idea.
I really am not as obsessed with TikZ/PGF as people think I am.
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@AndrewStacey What would you prefer: Editing the original Meta question to accomodate non-TikZ contributions or start a new Meta thread?
 
@StephanLehmke If you have the time, I'd start a new thread. People are more likely to read a new one, and also I think the current list is very long so it's a bit daunting to add something right at the very end.
 
4:17 PM
TBH, I want to avoid becoming the "maintainer" of the non-TikZ stuff. I have nil flexibility right now to do admin chores, even if it's only to keep the meta thread tidy. In fact, I basically only want to find somewhere to upload the pullquote package ;-)
So there almost necessarily must be someone to join in the maintenance stuff.
 
@StephanLehmke I think you're over-estimating the maintenance here! It really is just a place for people to put stuff where it's easy for others to get it. Up to now, I've had nothing administrative to do other than approve membership requests. So long as it is someone from the site with some code to contribute, I'm happy to do that.
But this is one value of keeping the same launchpad account and not splitting off: there's no additional maintenance.
 
@AndrewStacey Great! And the name is somewhat canonical anyway :-)
 
@StephanLehmke Ha-ha.
(Do I get bonus points for correctly guessing which of my remarks would get "starred" today?)
 
@DavidCarlisle hi there! +1 for tex.stackexchange.com/questions/70111/… does your environment inherit the value of parskip from the rest of the document?
@AndrewStacey 4/5 of the starred comments are yours! There should be a badge for that!
 
4:34 PM
@cmhughes yes probably (I'd have to check what \list does, it is basically the definition of article class quote environment with the label width setting from thebibliography
 
@cmhughes We had 5/5 not so long ago fro @DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I think you might need `\parsep\parskip%
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@JosephWright I can believe that :)
 
@cmhughes er yes (or at least parskip will be parsep) but the OP had quote and quotation already so is apparently happy with that
@cmhughes what size screen do you have (I see 10 comments)
 
@DavidCarlisle oh, ok :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I normally get five or six on my MacBook Pro (13")
 
4:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle 14" screen. I'll see if I can view 10 comments
So apparently I've completely misunderstood the question here- can any one help with the errors of my ways?
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Q: tikz 3d helix torus with hidden lines

JubaoAnyone have any idea how to create a 3d helix torus in tikz that has hidden lines for invisible sections of the torus? A helix torus is a torus that uses helices it instead of small parallel(w.r.t to the torus) circles. A good visual is but but shaded part is actually the torus(glue one end ...

 
@cmhughes oh yes I see fewer if I use the laptop screen, never noticed that before, was using an external monitor (27")
 
@DavidCarlisle glad it wasn't just my setting :) Congratulations on becoming legendary! And thanks for all of your packages too :)
 
@cmhughes some of them even work:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle lol! I've never had any problems with any of them :)
 
4:54 PM
@ℝaphink: Really cool user name, but it makes it really hard to @ you ...
 
@cmhughes I think he's really talking about something like this
 
@doncherry Seems to work with an R here
 
But why he shows a picture of the spiraled tube and then explains the rest complicatedly in words is beyond me. He must have some picture of the thing...
 
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