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12:02 AM
@leo declare function -- see user manual.
 
Are there are some special clashes with the cmbright fonts? While lmodern and other fonts compile without a whine, the minute I change the font to cmbright, the compilation stops with errors that have nothing to do with fonts - complaints about geometry etc.
Okay this is the problem => !pdfTeX error: pdflatex (file hfbr10.pfb)
 
leo
12:17 AM
@MarcoDaniel I want to create a vector of integers, something similar to myvect int[3]
or something like that
 
12:47 AM
@leo Which relation does it have to your tikz question
 
 
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6:45 AM
@JosephWright: What do you think, could Ariel's new sansmathaccent fonts package be integrated into the beamer package, so that my report on the beamer issue tracker would be resolved? See
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A: Bad positioning of math accents for the beamer standard font

Hendrik VogtOK, after talking to Joseph Wright I went ahead and wrote a patch for cmssi, which is the standard math font in beamer. The problem is that this font (computer modern sans serif italics) is designed as a text font, so it doesn't contain any information about positioning of accents. Compare these ...

 
7:05 AM
@PeterGrill One more for the 'mark, perhaps:
0
Q: overlay images and block in beamer

AlejandroI found this slides on internet with a very nice style. http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~tov/pubs/alms/alms-popl2011-slides.pdf How can I overlay blocks and image as in this slides?? Specially this effect: Thanks for your help.

 
@HendrikVogt I've already commented on c.t.t that I'll do this. First I need to wait for it to be added to TL so I can actually test
Not in today's update :-(
 
 
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8:37 AM
@PeterGrill Sorry, I went to bed. :) Shall we meet here some time? :)
 
8:52 AM
@percusse My idea was simply to cut-and-paste with a little explanation. I feel that if we asked the original authors to do it they'd all think of things that could be changed in their answers and never get round to doing so.
 
@Ariel mathjax can use various fonts depending on configuration, including some web fonts derived from the standard TeX cm fonts. But you may be using STIX fonts (the official latex support for which isn't out yet but look for stix and xits)
 
The MikTeX package server seems to have issues. I get a 500 error when trying to install MikTeX. It happens when it tries to load the list of mirrors. This seem to have happened already several times in the past. Any experiences with this?
 
@MartinScharrer Yes, get TL ;)
 
@tohecz Ha ha, I'm using TL under Ubuntu. I just install TL and MikTeX under Windows to test my OS and Distro dependent packages.
I run Win XP in a Virtual Box right now.
Can you imagine the amount of updates it installs starting from SP1 ?!!!
 
@MartinScharrer I'm afraid I can... been there done that, cca 2 years ago
 
9:02 AM
@MartinScharrer well to be fair (not that it is necessary to be fair when discussing operating system biases) you could turn off auto-update, and/or if you installed a linux distro of similar vintage and asked it to do a full update from a repository it would take a while.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, sure. Installing Ubuntu 6 or so and then updating it would take a while, too. Ok it depends if you update it to the latest version of Ubuntu 6 or to Ubuntu 12. The first case would be less painful than under Windows. Windows makes you reboot a lot between updates, i.e. you need to get updates first, restart, then get SP2, restart, more updates based on SP2 etc. That takes quite a while. Ubuntu is here faster, requires one reboot AND updates most other software you have.
 
@MartinScharrer windows makes you reboot all the time it's just the way it is. It's like banging your head against a brick wall, after a while you don't notice the pain, and miss it if it stops:-)
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@DavidCarlisle Yeah, indeed !
 
@MartinScharrer: Do you have a working Windows installation?
 
yeh! badge arrived
 
9:14 AM
@DavidCarlisle Welcome to the club ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Win 7 on my PC and Win XP under VirtualBox
 
@DavidCarlisle Nice done!
 
@MartinScharrer I am writing a small article for our DTK. How can I add a path? Based on information of the web I wrote the following. Is that correct?
Windows 7 Nutzer\footnote{Für früherere Versionen ist es identsich}
ergänzen ihre Suchpfade wie folgt:
\begin{enumerate}
\item Öffnen der \emph{Systemsteuerung}
\item Auswählen von \emph{System und Sicherheit}
\item Auswählen von \emph{System}
\item Auswählen von \emph{Erweiterte Systemeinstellung}
\item In dem neuen Fenster den Reiter \emph{Erweitert} wählen
\item Button \emph{Umgebungsvariablen} betätigen.
\item Zeile \emph{PATH} wählen und den Pfad |ARARA-ORDNER| hinzufügen.
\end{enumerate}
 
Ok, I now copying the MikTeX packages directly from the mirror using FTP. Who needs an installer ...
@MarcoDaniel Yes, it is. There should be also a shortcut for this, by typing a command into the "Run" / "Ausführen" prompt under "Start". This should pop up the last window directly.
I handled environment variables just the other day for testing standalones convert option under Windows. It needs Ghostscript in the PATH.
 
@MartinScharrer :-)
 
9:20 AM
@MarcoDaniel (I'm sure you would notice while proofreading, but just in case: typo in the first line ("identisch" and "frühere"))
 
@Jake Thanks
 
Pleasure =)
 
@Jake I hope you didn't get upset about my addition to your answer on commutative diagrams.
 
@Jake I forgot you are from Germany and not from Australia.
 
@egreg Oh, not at all! I'm really out of my depth with non-TikZ stuff like that, so it's good to have an expert take a look and suggest improvements.
 
9:27 AM
@Jake The \docsvlist is really very cumbersome.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure that's fair. Windows 7 does not have to be rebooted very often, in my experience. Some programs say they need to reboot after installation, but usually that's not true.
 
@JosephWright as noted above, fairness is an optional feature in this context
 
@DavidCarlisle OK :-)
 
9:53 AM
@MarcoDaniel After reading support.microsoft.com/kb/192806, I figured that you can also use control sysdm.cpl under "Start"/"Run", then select "Advanced", "Environment Variables"
 
@MartinScharrer Interesting. Did you try it?
 
@MarcoDaniel Yes, with WinXP
 
@StefanKottwitz I wouldn't recommend using arrayjob: it breaks many math constructs, as I said in my comment.
 
should work with other Windows versions as well.
Unfortunatly you can't select the tab or the button directly. This would be nice.
 
@MartinScharrer Sounds more clear instead of "klick"=>"klick"=>"klick"=>"klick" ;-)
 
9:57 AM
@MarcoDaniel Yes, but you might want to have both. Having images for the windows would be best, but you don't have the space for that in an article.
 
@MartinScharrer The space is no problem. I asked Herbert ;-). I am writing a second article about LaTeX3 and I need more than 30 pages ;-). Frank Mittelbach sent me a lot of information which need space ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Ah
 
@MartinScharrer Can you send me some pictures ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel You don't have Windows then, is it? Not that I blame you for it.
Note that right-clicking on "Computer" ("Arbeitsplatz"?) will give you the System Setttings window as well.
 
@MartinScharrer I have no Windows. Maybe I will by one to install it on a virtual machine
 
10:03 AM
@MarcoDaniel I only have one for playing games now and then. Usually only start it once a month or so.
I installed WinXP virtually this weekend for testing packages.
 
@MartinScharrer I have Mac and I think it should be possible ;-)
 
@egreg thanks for the tip, I switched to arrayjobx
 
@StefanKottwitz Yes, that's the good way. OTOH, an expl3 approach might be neater.
 
@MarcoDaniel You need them for Windows 7 in German, is it? I should be able to get some for you this afternoon.
 
@MartinScharrer Thanks.
 
10:10 AM
I can also give you WinXP in English, but that's not really good.
 
@MartinScharrer I think Windows7 should be enough.
 
@MarcoDaniel Yes, just note that it is very similar in older Windows versions.
 
@MartinScharrer I will describe it in this way.
 
Write it this way:
Section 2.1: Linux Installation
...
Section 2.2: Windows Installation
Step 1) Format Harddrive
Step 2) Install Linux
Step 3) See Section 2.1
;-)
 
@MartinScharrer Based on the given Information I will do it. At the moment I tried to combine both methods. But you are right I must divide the systems.
 
10:43 AM
@PauloCereda: Are you using vim?
 
@MarcoDaniel Yes. :)
 
@PauloCereda I am trying to avoid special highlighting of tex commands containing a @. Inside vim I can call :syn match texStatement "\\[a-zA-Z]\+ but the entry doesn't work inside my vimrc. What can I do?
 
@MarcoDaniel Hm what's the line you are putting inside .vimrc?
 
@PauloCereda The same without the colon ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Let me check. :P
 
10:49 AM
Hello everyone... I'm trying to position nodes along a curve
So I found this
\tikz \draw (0,0) .. controls +(right:3.5cm) and +(right:3.5cm) .. (0,3)
\foreach \p in {0,0.125,...,1} {node[pos=\p]{\p}};
But I cannot understand the syntax
 
@MarcoDaniel: Does set syn match texStatement "\\[a-zA-Z]\+ work?
 
@PauloCereda Unfortunately no
 
@Alenanno Which bit do you not understand?
 
@AndrewStacey I suppose there must be a point "around which" the curve goes, no? I don't know where that origin point is defined.
 
@MarcoDaniel: could you try this line? autocmd FileType tex syn match texStatement "\\[a-zA-Z]\+
 
10:54 AM
@AndrewStacey I tried looking for more info, but the TiKZ manual stops there... No explanation.
 
@PauloCereda That works:
" No extra highlighting of TeX-Macros
autocmd FileType tex syn match texStatement "\\[a-zA-Z@]\+"
Thanks
 
@MarcoDaniel We forgot the last "! :P
My bad.
 
@PauloCereda I added it
No it is correct
" No extra highlighting of TeX-Macros
autocmd FileType tex,cls,dtx,sty,ltx syn match texStatement "\\[a-zA-Z@]\+"
 
@Alenanno TikZ is drawing a Bézier cubic given with start point, end point and the two control points. Look here
 
@egreg I fixed your link
Thanks!
I'm not sure this is the best approach for node positioning then... :(
 
11:08 AM
@Alenanno Depends what you are trying to achieve.
 
@AndrewStacey I found this
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A: tikz parabola node position

CaramdirFrom the TikZ manual (section 16.8 “Placing Nodes on a Line or Curve Explicitly” in v2.10): In the simplest case, the previous path operation was a “line-to” operation, that is, a -- coordinate operation [...] The next case is the curve-to operation (the .. operation). [...] ...

So I was trying to node-position through other ways
 
@PauloCereda You can add the line to your vimrc set textwidth=80 ;-)
 
@Alenanno The curve is parametrized with the Bernšteĭn polynomial in the interval [0,1]; you get the points corresponding to the various values of the parameter. The "speed" varies along the path (it's a cubic curve, not a quadratic one), so the points are nearer to each other at the vertex (when the curvature is larger) than at the end points.
 
@MarcoDaniel :P
 
@PauloCereda The files look more clear ;-)
 
11:54 AM
@percusse: When I saw Jake's fantastic answer (tex.stackexchange.com/a/53795/3094) and your comment about the wall, I was tempted to add a comment: "All in all they'are just another plot in the wall". :P
 
12:16 PM
@PauloCereda: DId you test arara under Windows?
 
@MarcoDaniel Yes, it works. :)
 
The script arara.cmd uses java -jar "%~dp0\arara.jar" %* -- I tested the command java at work but I got the message command not found. Does the script need an exact path?
 
@PauloCereda Hey Parser, leave the TikZ alone!
 
@percusse LOL!
 
@MarcoDaniel For me no, using a batch file
 
12:20 PM
@JosephWright What is a batch file?
 
@MarcoDaniel Hm I don't think so. The %~dp0 part is in charge of getting the full path. Is the directory in your path?
 
@echo off
java -jar "%~dp0\arara.jar" %*
 
@PauloCereda I can't install anything -- it's work. I opened cmd and typed java -version
 
Saved as arara.bat
My path is
C:\Program Files (x86)\arara>echo %PATH%
C:\Program Files (x86)\Parallels\Parallels Tools\Applications;C:\Windows\system3
2;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0
\;C:\texlive\2011\bin\win32;C:\Program files\Info-ZIP;C:\strawberry\c\bin;C:\str
awberry\perl\site\bin;C:\strawberry\perl\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\arara
 
@JosephWright Thanks I will try
 
12:22 PM
@MarcoDaniel open cmd and make a quick fix: set PATH=%PATH%:"C:\the dir\with\arara.
 
@MarcoDaniel Should make very little difference, but there are some odd execution rules for Windows, for example to do with COMSPEC
 
Unfortunately, to set Windows path is quite annoying, as you need to go to My computer, in some advanced place.
 
@PauloCereda Control Panel -> System -> ... or use the Search in Control Panel (easier)
 
@JosephWright Ah thanks. :)
 
@PauloCereda I do this a lot when setting up some specialist stuff at work :-)
 
12:25 PM
@JosephWright Here my path
%SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\System32\Wbem;%SYSTEMROOT%\Syste‌​m32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\
 
@MarcoDaniel That's the standard one with no add-ons. I'll go and find another Windows system to check things :-)
 
@JosephWright It's the computer of my work. ;-)
 
@JosephWright hehe I'm scared, I usually set things locally. :)
I'm considering creating a "universal" installer that will hopefully set things working on every platform.
 
@MarcoDaniel Yes, understood. My dad's PC is set up pretty much 'vanilla', so I can test on that
 
@PauloCereda to set it via a gui yes, but if you are anyway calling java from a .bat file you can just set it in the bat file (as long as the bat file itself is in the standard path)
 
12:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle Uh-oh, the bat file is not in the standard path. :P
 
For a non Windows user it is very hard to set up things :-)
 
I'll add a dancing paperclip too. :P
 
OK, checked on my alternative system: Java not on the path. So it's not set up as standard on Windows
 
can't you just dump it in whatever directory has tex.exe in? Real Windows users don't need a path because they click on icons on their desktop:-) (and the rest of us install cygwin and pretend we are on linux)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
12:33 PM
@MarcoDaniel Are you setting Java by hand?
@JosephWright In newer installations, Java should be in the path.
 
@PauloCereda Could be that. Let me try updating Java on my alternative system
 
@PauloCereda I set nothing ;-) -- This was the admin. But I have the newest version of Java 29.04.2012.
 
@JosephWright Does java -version work?
 
@PauloCereda It's important for my article ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel If you try running java -version in the cmd, does it work?
 
12:35 PM
@PauloCereda On my usual test system, yes
 
@PauloCereda No.
 
@JosephWright Not in the alternate?
 
But seriously anyone installing arara presumably has tex in their path, so an insaller can go "where tex" and just stick arara there?
 
@PauloCereda Give me a minute or two :-)
@DavidCarlisle Doesn't help find Java, though
 
@JosephWright Thanks
 
12:36 PM
I could check how to use runscript.exe from TeX Live and wrap arara with it.
 
hmm on win7 I get
 
That's what I did with checkcites.
 
C:\Users\davidc>where java
C:\Windows\System32\java.exe
so java is in the standard path (just using a default install)
 
@DavidCarlisle You are right. The executable can be located in the bin path of TeX Live or MikTeX
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess this depends when it was installed. My dad's system is older, and it's not on the path. My test system is a newer installation and it is.
 
12:39 PM
In the past, Java was not set in the path, so you had to add it. It seems newer installations create a link the Windows system.
 
@JosephWright That's interesting. I think I can live with this point.
 
@JosephWright well if it's not on the path (or not installed) you are doomed anyway, you either need to ask the user where it is or search the disk....
 
@DavidCarlisle That's what JabRef does
 
@echo off
set JAVA_HOME="C:\Program Files\Java\jre7"
set CLASSPATH=.;"%JAVA_HOME%\lib"
set PATH=%PATH%;"%JAVA_HOME%\bin"
java -jar "%~dp0\arara.jar" %*
This might work.
 
@PauloCereda classpath is ignored if you use -jar though isn't it?
 
12:43 PM
@PauloCereda No, on a 64 bit system programs live in Program files (x86)
 
@JosephWright I found a problem i have jre6
 
Also Program files might be in one of those other languages. there is a %sytemdir% or some such standard variable with the right place
 
@DavidCarlisle It's quite tricky to answer. Older Java versions require a classpath for the default libraries, even with jar files.
@MarcoDaniel It should work, even with Java 5. :)
 
@PauloCereda I mean why it isn't in the path. But version 7 is only for testing ;-)
 
@JosephWright I'm poor, my systems are all 32bits. :P
@MarcoDaniel Ah. :)
 
12:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle Nope, as the variable name is dependent on the bits! See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_variable
 
I wanna be German or English. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel So do I, on both systems. As I said, I suspect this has been altered in the installer, but not the updater
 
@JosephWright this is why we all end up using installshield or inno or wix installing on windows is such a pain:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed. :) I'll probably create an installer with IzPack.
 
@JosephWright Good point. I think this must be mentioned in the section of installation arara.
 
12:49 PM
 
@PauloCereda A new issue :-( I closed an issue today ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Yay! :)
 
@PauloCereda You're Italian, what else do you want?
 
@egreg Ah true. :) I need to learn the language. :)
 
@JosephWright Can you show me the output of java -version in the cmd. So I can copy paste the result
 
12:53 PM
C:\Program Files (x86)\arara>java -version
java version "1.6.0_31"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_31-b05)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.6-b01, mixed mode)
 
@JosephWright Thanks
 
I need to buy a 64bit processor. :P
 
@PauloCereda Why.
 
Well, my MacBook has one, at least. :P
@MarcoDaniel Everybody has one. :D
 
@PauloCereda That's no reason. Normally we say; If everybody jumps off a bridge what will you do ;-)
 
12:56 PM
@MarcoDaniel hehe tell a Brazilian that is against the law to jump off a bridge and he will jump. :P
@egreg: yesterday I had passatelli in brodo. It's been raining for 5 days in a row, so it was a good day for that plate. :)
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Q: Can you mount a network switch upside down?

Mark HendersonWe just took delivery of a new Avaya 2500 48-port switch, that has 24 PoE ports. The problem is that all the PoE ports are on the left-hand size of the switch, and our PoE device cables can only reach the right-hand side of the switch (we're upgrading from an old switch to a new one, and the old ...

You gotta love the first answer. :D
 
@PauloCereda Typical winter soup. :)
 
@PauloCereda I thought you were moving your tex processing to wii
 
@DavidCarlisle Is it 64 bit?
 
@PauloCereda reminds me of ewellic.org/mathtext.html
 
@DavidCarlisle I wish. :) I had problems with the arch. The Wii emulation is very very slow, so when I finally set up the correct arch (which was PPC, I guess), the underlying Linux distro (a barebone Debian, I guess) had a problem with glibc. I could not update the distro (my Wii has no Internet connection), so I thought of trying to install TL2007 or TL2009, but it would take so long, so the project is postponed. :)
@DavidCarlisle LOL!
 
1:08 PM
$ ./latexdef -E -s enumerate
% latex.ltx, line 4545:
\def\enumerate{%
  \ifnum \@enumdepth >\thr@@\@toodeep\else
    \advance\@enumdepth\@ne
    \edef\@enumctr{enum\romannumeral\the\@enumdepth}%
      \expandafter
      \list
        \csname label\@enumctr\endcsname
        {\usecounter\@enumctr\def\makelabel##1{\hss\llap{##1}}}%
  \fi}

% latex.ltx, line 4554:
\let\endenumerate =\endlist

% latex.ltx, line 4422:
\def\endlist{%
  \global\advance\@listdepth\m@ne
  \endtrivlist}
 
@egreg Wii has a PPC 729MHz against PS3's PPC 3.2GHz. :) But I can't install a Linux distro on my PS3, Sony blocked it. :(
@MartinScharrer Awesome!
 
I pimped texdef again yesterday. Now it handles \newenvironment, provides a -E switch to search for \end... as well, and follows \lets
 
@MartinScharrer could it give the definition of jA as defined in xii.tex?
 
Ouch, @David's spoiling the fun. :P
 
@DavidCarlisle It doesn't support fancy definitions, like these which change catcodes etc.
One other problem is that some macros/environments are defined multiple times in different if-branches, and the script is of course not smart enough to figure out which branch will be used.
I could check the rest of the file for a second definition and produce a warning etc.
 
1:13 PM
@MartinScharrer ah so a catcode 0 j is out then, shame:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, I'm happy to accept patches! ;-)
 
@MartinScharrer got to go: day job calls....
 
@DavidCarlisle Have fun
 
@DavidCarlisle It's Perl! :)
 
1:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle thanks for that tip on the MathJaX fonts
 
1:47 PM
Closing arguments on the "Can we copyright an API?" ludicrous question today in Google Vs. Oracle. For open-source software's sake, I hope Oracle loses. and loses BIG.
 
@MartinScharrer @PauloCereda I finished the section about the installation of arara in Windows
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@MarcoDaniel LOL!
 
I have to cut the lawn now ;-(
 
@MarcoDaniel Oh. :(
 
user19161
@Ariel What are you referring to?
 
user19161
2:00 PM
@MarcoDaniel Hahaha.
 
@MarcoDaniel heh, nice!
@JasperLoy The big stakes litigation case that Oracle brought upon Google.. Its the same SCO vs. IBM over linux/unix copyrights story all over again
 
user19161
@Ariel Aww, sad. How is your Ubuntu installation? I assume you have done it.
 
@PauloCereda My idea!
 
@JasperLoy No I still haven't finished my chapters... :/ I am going to do a clean install once everything is submitted and with the committee. In that case, if something goes wrong or if I need to run analysis once again, I don't have to struggle too much
 
@MartinScharrer LOL
 
2:06 PM
I'm thinking about making the --source option the default for texdef.
 
@JasperLoy have you switched? How is it? Any major differences from earlier versions?
 
user19161
@Ariel I tried it. It's not to my liking. I think I will stick to another distro which defaults to GNOME shell instead. Unity still does not work too well for me. But since you have not tried Unity you should take a look.
 
@JasperLoy they are saying the main gains are in battery life.
 
@MartinScharrer Please, don't.
 
@egreg Yeah, it has drawbacks. But it falls now back to the \show format automatically. Also some other options would disable it.
 
user19161
2:14 PM
There is not a single bookstore where I live with a book on LaTeX, sad.
 
@egreg Just out of curiosity, why are you against it?
 
@JasperLoy There is always Amazon! I wonder what % get their LaTeX reference from print books these days..
 
user19161
@Ariel Yeah I know. But I have to pay for the shipment. Americans are so lucky!
 
@MartinScharrer Try with \maketitle in the article class. What definition will appear?
 
@JasperLoy Not if you get an electronic version! :)
 
2:17 PM
@egreg Ah, I see:
% article.cls, line 202:
  \global\let\maketitle\relax
 
@MartinScharrer And I didn't even download the new version. Just guessed. :)
 
@egreg Yeah, sure that's the limit of a script approach. The final definition used can only be determined reliable using TeX.
 
2:45 PM
@ALL-MODERATOR: Why was this question migrated? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/53811/… I think the correct place is apple.stackexchange.com
 
@MarcoDaniel Certainly borderline: there may be some experience with this here
 
@JosephWright Ah ok.
 
3:25 PM
Grrrrr, moderncv seem to have renamed the them files from moderncvtheme<name>.sty to moderncvstyle<name>.sty and changed several non-@ macros. On other words: My custom theme must be completely rewritten!
Well, at least there is CTANHG:
hg clone http://ctanhg.scharrer-online.de/hg/moderncv
hg up -r0.14
Ok, modernsv is on Launchpad, so the old versions are available from there, too.
 
3:58 PM
Integrate Emacs and Stack Exchange:
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A: Emacs mode for StackOverflow's markdown

N.N.Integrating Emacs and Stack Overflow As mentioned you can use markdown-mode. To integrate markdown-mode with Stack Overflow you can use the Firefox plugin It's All Text which lets you edit textareas with an external editor. Here is how to set it up: Install markdown-mode. If you use Debian or ...

 
4:16 PM
It works for TeX.sx and the chat too. I wrote this message in Emacs.
 
4:37 PM
It is funny how SX works. For some time I have had a note in an Org file about trying the Firefox plugin It's All Text at some point. Today I found an SO question for which the plugin can be used. So I finally try out the plugin by writing an answer to that question. Also, I think I will use it myself since it proved effective.
 
4:51 PM
@NN Seems to be a nice gimmick. But something fails with your picture. Does it also work with vim?
 
@MarcoDaniel It's All Text can be set to invoke any editor.
@MarcoDaniel or emulate vim in emacs!
 
@NN I think emacs and I are not compatible ;-)
 
 
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5:55 PM
@MarcoDaniel imho, Emacs is a nice operating system that only lacks a good text editor...
 
6:46 PM
@tohecz Really? I always saw it as a nice text editor that needs to stop pretending to be my OS
 
6:59 PM
:4406642: Sure. I am on and off today, but Tue should be here most of the day from 9:00AM-9:00PM PST.
 
7:24 PM
@Canageek I'm looking at it just now
And Herbert's answer is silly, I'm afraid.
@PeterGrill I just wanted to know if you've looked at my answer about your problem with datatool
 
@egreg I have not looked at the revised one yet, but will do so later this evening.
 
@Canageek \[\left(\sum_{1\le i\le n}a_{i}\right)\] is completely wrong, for instance.
@PeterGrill Good. If you add some context about how you want to use the macros, maybe a more efficient expl3 solution can be found.
 
@egreg Funny you should mention that.. Very shortly after I posted that I came across the threads on "xy" question and realized I fell in the same trap. All I waned to do was to remove dupes from a comma separated list defined by a macro. Was thinking of posting a separate question for that, but then David Carlisle already provided a solution for that as well. I will update the question to reflect this
 
@PeterGrill \clist_remove_duplicates:N :)
 
7:43 PM
@egreg Wow, that simple??? Will try that out. So, are all these functions documented somewhere? Are they stable and unlikely to be modified (except of course for bug fixes). Reason I ask is mostly from Joseph's comments to my comment at tex.stackexchange.com/a/10811/4301 that the catcode function names were changed.
 
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Q: Where can I find the LaTeX3 manual?

Marco DanielFew month ago I saw a big pdf-manual of all LaTeX3-packages and the new syntax. I think it was bigger than 300 pages. I can't find it on the web. Does anyone have a link?

 
@PeterGrill Stable, yes; absolutely will not change, no. There are still a few rough edges in expl3 that are to be sorted out. We announce any breaking changes on LaTeX-L nowadays in a pretty 'formal' manner.
 
@JosephWright I am very slowly starting to use those solutions that I can get to work (as I have not fully grasped the syntax). I think it would be a good idea when you change a function name to map the old one to the new one (if possible of course) and print out a message that a DEPRECATED function has been used (at least for a while). Am a little afraid that things will break after an update at some critical time...
Sorry, not trying to to suggest additional work for you... Just a thought..
 
@PeterGrill Current policy is a three-month minimum once we change a name before we drop a function. Even then, they are still in the .dtx files but DocStrip'ed out. We have one set of outstanding 'tidy up' things to do (@FrankMittelbach is working on the list).
We can't always add anything to the log as this can't be done expandably
There is also the floating point unit to swap over to the new one. I'm going to try to do that on the SVN in May, but we don't plan to update CTAN again until after the TL freeze
 
@JosephWright Do we have the same LaTeX-L. The last message is from 07. mar 2012?
 
7:54 PM
@MarcoDaniel Sounds about right
Last deprecations were the \prg_quicksort... functions
 
@JosephWright Ok. I added the same mailing list to my Thunderbird ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel You can't post that way: you have to subscribe via the University of Heidelberg (as described on latex-project.org/code.html)
 
@JosephWright I have done this and I can read ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel I think this came up before, but other people might be surprised
 
@JosephWright Nor really. I subscribed only to follow.
 
8:33 PM
@PeterGrill I've added two implementations with clist.
 
@JosephWright hmm .. why didn't I got an alert even though my name was mentioned?
 
@FrankMittelbach It depends how often you come in. There's some time delay after which you don't get a notification.
 
@JosephWright could be ... I did't come in for a while ... first because of hiking and then because of my hands ...
@YiannisL in case you are around ... remember you wanted to make your collected layouts available somehow (after your vacation)? I implicitly mentioned that in tex.stackexchange.com/questions/45838/… in the part about the Design layer
 
8:56 PM
@egreg Is the chat in tex.stackexchange.com/questions/53814/… finished? How about cleaning up the comments? Just because the system flagged it ;-)
 
9:07 PM
@StefanKottwitz I guess so.
Maybe you can keep the last two comments (about \small).
 
@egreg Sure, let's keep whats unfinished or additional information.
 
10:01 PM
@StefanKottwitz Can you test my example please? The op wrote that the redefinition has no effect. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/53848/…
 
@MarcoDaniel Not compilable for me, yet
Ok, can compile now (one of the hundreds of TeX files in the same folder interfered)
@MarcoDaniel I can see an effect.
 
@StefanKottwitz I have no idea?
 
@MarcoDaniel \listfiles and log ... still possible that the OP does something else than you.
 
 
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@tohecz This is too deep for me to understand.
 

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