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Alan Munn
Alan Munn
1:46 AM
@PauloCereda I've gone through the interview with David once and fixed a bunch of things. It would be good to have another eye go over it, as I'm very tired at the moment.
 
 
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Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
8:33 AM
@N3buchadnezzar Oh, I forgot that it is inside a table. There \noindent doesn't make much sense.
 
lockstep
lockstep
8:52 AM
@StefanKottwitz or another moderator: Please un-CW the following question -- it is worthy of reputation:
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Q: What's wrong with \marginpar?

Stephan LehmkeWith the following question, I'm attempting an in-depth analysis of the inner workings of \marginpar, concentrating on its deficiencies. My questions are following at the end. They are (forseeably) aimed at getting things right. This is a real question, honest! By giving so much detail I'm just ...

page-breaking marginpar latex-kernel output-routine
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
@Werner Not really. It's playing around with converting fonts to TikZ/PGF paths (shapes). The idea came from a couple of questions, but that picture is then playing with the results not for any particular question.
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@lockstep I agree with @lockstep
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@lockstep It must be the longest question of all time. I had to keep scrolling and scrolling.
@lockstep Actually I'm tempted to close it!
 
lockstep
lockstep
@MartinScharrer Why?
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@lockstep It's not a single normal question.
Sorry, I didn't had the time to read through it yet, so I can't say much yet, but it really doesn't look like a good fit for a Q&A. Looks more like a larger discussion about \marginpar in general.
 
lockstep
lockstep
9:04 AM
@MartinScharrer It's a good analysis, with various sub-questions about a common theme (the question title). I'd really like to read answers. Please don't close it.
 
Stefan Kottwitz
Stefan Kottwitz
@MartinScharrer I agree. It's hardly possible that there's a matching answer (regarding the question mix at the end)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
Sorry, but it is really bad written at the moment.
 
Stefan Kottwitz
Stefan Kottwitz
@lockstep CW allows at least to work out "the" answer by community effort
and improving the question ;-)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
I hate the "Recent Edits" lists and "Edit" headlines in general. They are not required and shouldn't be at the beginning.
Then: The question!s! at the end!
 
lockstep
lockstep
@StefanKottwitz Well, you can add CW answers to non-CW questions.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
9:07 AM
They should be at the beginning, then all the extra detail (if really deemed necessary)
 
Stefan Kottwitz
Stefan Kottwitz
The amount an thoughts in this question would make it a good blog post, which then could be followed by a list of questions referring to that post.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
Also, different parts should be separated using a rule (----)
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@MartinScharrer Don't you think a comment to the question would have been more helpful than writing it down here and closing the question? I'm rather new here, so I'm really willing to learn.
 
lockstep
lockstep
@MartinScharrer Since when? Markdown allows for (two levels of) sectioning titles.
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
I'm not putting in all that work with the intention of annoying people.
 
lockstep
lockstep
9:11 AM
@MartinScharrer That's a good suggestion.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@lockstep Actually three, plus two more if you use HTML tags. Adding ----- in addition helps to make it more visible. The vertical spacing of the headline isn't really good at the moment (here and on other SE sites).
@StephanLehmke I didn't say I'm closing the question now, I just I'm rather tempted to close it before I un-CW it. I wouldn't close it without a discussion. And the place to have one is either the chat or meta, not in comments.
@lockstep I didn't meant this as a general rule, but only in this case.
This post is so long with and a H2 or H3 after a code block isn't that visible in the current design.
 
lockstep
lockstep
@StephanLehmke For your info: Your question was automatically turned into Community Wiki (CW -- it doesn't generate rep anymore and is editable by new users) because you edited it more than 10 times.
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@lockstep No problem with that, if this is the way it should be.
 
lockstep
lockstep
@StephanLehmke The automatism stems from a time when it wasn't able even for moderators to "un-CW". Now it is, and the original intend of CW (allowing everyone to edit) has been mostly replaced by peer-reviewed edits.
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
10:01 AM
 
egreg
egreg
10:34 AM
Anybody wants to vote for closing?
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Q: feynmf with pdflatex

user429540I would like to use feynmf, or better feynmp, with pdflatex. My first idea was to replace all the files file.[0-9]* which are produced after running mpost on file.mp corresponding to a \fmffile{file} environment by their PDF version obtained with epstopdf. But unfortunately pdflatex complains ! ...

pdftex metapost metafont feynmf
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@egreg done
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AlanMunn Thank you very much, Alan. I'll take a closer look. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
10:59 AM
@PauloCereda Consider to replace "dept" with "department".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda Replace "Tex" with "TeX".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda "Are there more than one editor" --> "Is there" (at least I think so).
@PauloCereda "Thundirbird" --> "Thunderbird"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep I also think so. :)
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
11:04 AM
@PauloCereda "well" --> "Well"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda Add a period after "thing just grew".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda "Frank and Chris was the ones" --> "were the ones"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
11:09 AM
@PauloCereda "this makes" --> "This makes"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda "reports if things" --> "reports of things"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda Add a closing parenthesis after "DOM tree".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
11:16 AM
@PauloCereda Add a period after "a lot better".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
any chance I could see the draft? Or isn't that playing the game...
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Hm we could ask Joseph to register you as a blog author, then you will be able to see it. :)
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@DavidCarlisle Words are being put into your mouth as we speak. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
That's what I fear! :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:19 AM
@AlanMunn Oops. :P
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@PauloCereda on the first mention of "Frank" and "Chris" you should add [Mittelbach] and [Rowley].
@DavidCarlisle Lots of capitalisation and punctuation, mainly.
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda "The LaTeX2e" --> "LaTeX2e"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@AlanMunn Done. :)
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda Add a period after "2.09)".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
@David: Our reviewers are quite feral. :P
 
lockstep
lockstep
11:23 AM
@PauloCereda Is there a "David:" missing after Yiannis' smile?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
well it's not like I' m surprised that two hours wirth of my typing might require the occasional edit:-) It could have been worse I could have been using this tablet instead of the laptop:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep It is! Fixed. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda Add a period after "later)".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda Consider to change the \expandafter part of "\expandafters" to code formatting.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:27 AM
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda One "keyval" is missing code formatting, too.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda "when" --> "When"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda "laTeX" --> "LaTeX"
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:34 AM
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda Add a period after "football".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda "latex companion" --> (you guessed it)
@PauloCereda Add a period after "diverted".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@lockstep Done, done. :)
 
lockstep
lockstep
@PauloCereda That's it -- really great interview!
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
11:41 AM
@lockstep Indeed! :) Worthy of a TUGBoat edition. :)
@lockstep, @AlanMunn: Thank you very much, friends. :)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
0
A: Copy Question Link Markdown - Making it easier to copy links to questions!

Martin ScharrerThank you for this script. It was basically the thing I was looking for when I asked for a Second 'link' button below posts which provides a comment style link in the form [post title](http://posturl). There are however some things not yet perfect. For once I also like to have such links to ans...

 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
12:10 PM
@MartinScharrer Cool!
Stack Exchange TeX Blog: TeXtalk: an interview with David Carlisle
Paulo Cereda on April 14, 2012

Welcome to the TeXtalk! We have a very special guest for today: our friend David Carlisle, member of the LaTeX3 project, editor of the MathML spec, a very active member of TeX.sx, 16k+ rep, 104 badges, and 325+ answers so far. Get ready for this awesome interview!

Paulo Cereda: Could you tell us a bit about you?

David Carlisle: Well I’m 50, living in England, and I started using TeX in 1987, but these days I’m more of an XML person, working for NAG in Oxford.

Joseph Wright: You started with TeX in 1987 – was that with Plain, LaTeX or ‘something else’, and what was it that led you to TeX? …

New interview published!
Good job, everybody!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:41 PM
@PauloCereda nice editing job, is it too late to get in some post publishing edits (especially the tvz one, but if doing that perhaps the rest?)
leant
lent

Later there was ExTeX
Later there was e-TeX

just at the time of the MathML1 spec came out.
just at the time that the MathML1 spec came out.

but did look at ll-AMS-TeX
but did look at LAmsTeX

separation of the syntax with the application
separation of the syntax from the application

Actually I think TikZ gets that honour with PSTricks,
[Oi! don't put tikz answers into my mouth:-)]
Actually I think TvZ gets that honour with PSTricks,
[is what I wrote, perhaps better to spell it out]
 
lockstep
lockstep
@DavidCarlisle Wait -- there wasn't ExTeX? :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Fixed. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda thanks
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
Can be closed as duplicated:
0
Q: Why package enumitem conflicts with Tufte-book and/or beamer

user11708I am trying to produce a package, combining tufte-book and beamer, in order to produce lecture slides and handout (with explanations) for students from the same source. I found the useful hints in thread Beamer slides and tufte-handout. I attach two sources. The file mwe.tex is essentially ident...

beamer package-writing enumitem tufte
This can also be closed as too localised. The example works well and the op gave no feedback.
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Q: beamer with \index creates empty lines in the index

sigbertI try to build an index in two columns at the end of my slides. To do so, I use the definitions from Create index entries in beamer with 2 columns (latex-community.org): \documentclass{beamer} \usepackage{makeidx} \makeindex \newenvironment{theindex} {\let\item\par %definitions for subitem ...

beamer indexing
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
1:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'll take a look later for formatting, etc.
 
egreg
egreg
Does anybody have tried LuaLaTeX after the last TeX Live update? I get Could not undump 27303 1-byte item(s): <fd:3>: unexpected end of file. I suspect about the update of hyph-utf8
 
Brent.Longborough
Brent.Longborough
1:38 PM
@PauloCereda Great interview, congratulations to all concerned. Just one question: "egreg: Looking forward to the planned TeX.SX meeting in Oxford. Prepare a good list of pubs. :)". When, whereabouts, how?
\begin{grumpy}Why does Google interpret TeX.SX as "Texas Sex offenders"?\end{grumpy}
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@BrentLongborough @AndrewStacey suggested something, partly I think in jest. However, we may have the UK-TUG AGM in Oxford in the autumn: planning is underway
 
Brent.Longborough
Brent.Longborough
@JosephWright OK. Really looking forward to that. (Just thought the TeX.SX thing might be sooner.)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@BrentLongborough I can't make any promises at the moment - I'm sorting out costings.
In the past, I have tried to arrange a 'TeX users get together' in the UK, in the same way there are ones in Germany. Never had any takers :-(
 
Brent.Longborough
Brent.Longborough
@JosephWright No, clearly. No complaint intended -- sorry if it sounded like one.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
I'm 'between jobs' at the moment, so up to the end of May at least if anyone does fancy and informal get together I'm free 'whenever', more or less
@BrentLongborough No problem - just trying to fill in the detail
 
Brent.Longborough
Brent.Longborough
1:48 PM
@JosephWright :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
We may know more soon - the alternative for UK-TUG to Oxford is London, and the suggested venue may be a bit pricey at the weekend (we always have the AGM on a Saturday)
 
Brent.Longborough
Brent.Longborough
@JosephWright If you want any votes, mine's for Oxford. But I do understand that's not the only factor ;-}
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@BrentLongborough Yes, I know Oxford may be better for several people (one of the committee lives there, for a start!). Money will be a key factor: we used to have a free venue, but that is no longer the case.
 
Brent.Longborough
Brent.Longborough
@JosephWright I was going to suggest the Lamb and Flag at Kingston Bagpuize for an informal, but I've just seen their website. It used to be much nicer in 1965, when it was known as Dudley's...
Plus ça change, moins c'est la même chose.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@BrentLongborough For informal, a pub would be fine: I only know the 'famous' ones in Oxford, I'm afraid. For the AGM, we book a meeting room. Last year was at Trinity College: very nice.
 
Brent.Longborough
Brent.Longborough
1:56 PM
@JosephWright Yes. "Dudley's" used to be very famous, but that was about fifty years ago.
The only other ones I can remember are a couple in alleyways somewhere near Merton, or a bit further up the High.
"The Bear", I think, was one of those.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@BrentLongborough I know the ones on St Giles (near St John's college), and as got mentioned a while ago The Mitre on Broad Street
 
Brent.Longborough
Brent.Longborough
@JosephWright IIRC, in those days, I think we avoided the Mitre as being a pub for "normal people". It may even have had a sign saying "no pet pterodactyls admitted".
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
2:25 PM
Is this question on-topic? Not really, isn't it?
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Q: pandoc issue with ##### processing

prosseekI'm trying to build ProGit book written with pandoc from github. The issue is that ##### MS Word files ##### is translated into \chap{\subsubsection{MS Word files}} to cause an error in LaTeX. This is because ##### is translated as # (chapter) and #### (sub subsection). How can I solve this i...

pandoc
@JosephWright, @StefanKottwitz
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer pandoc uses TeX, but I don't think this is something related to our site.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@egreg Well, to answer it you need pandoc knowledge not TeX knowledge.
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer That's what I meant.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
Does pandoc not output a wide variety of formats, and LaTeX is just one of them?
 
egreg
egreg
@MartinScharrer Our pandoc tag description says "As pandoc is not a TeX program, questions about pandoc itself are not on-topic for this site. As pandoc can be used to produce LaTeX, questions about how to handle that output are on-topic."
It's a wrong migration.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
2:30 PM
@egreg I think I wrote that description ;-) At least the first version.
@egreg Yeah, I will close it. This will sent it back to the original page.
No, I was wrong. It wasn't me. I confused this with a similar tool I think.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
3:07 PM
@MarcoDaniel thanks for expanding that documentation question, I know it was a bit short (I was on android at the time:-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
3:23 PM
@PauloCereda one more: first document your are given first document you are given
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@DavidCarlisle No problem.
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
3:57 PM
I think this question is off-topic
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Q: How to change a .bib file (not the bibliography) so that LastName, FirstName is Last Name, F.?

dchandlerI'm looking to change the actual entry in a .bib file, NOT the bibliography. For instance I have @{key1, author = {Last1, First and Last2, Second ...} Instead, I want a .bib file that is written as, @{key1, author = {Last1, F. and Last2, S. ...} I don't want to go the whole regular expres...

bibtex
 
egreg
egreg
@MarcoDaniel Answer on bounding boxes written. Alas, I've already hit rep cap for the day, so the "Unanswered" session won't do me any good. :)
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@egreg ;-)
We have 365 unanswered questions :-)
 
egreg
egreg
@MarcoDaniel Or the answer is implicit: edit the file. Another possibility is to use a bibliography style that uses initials.
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@egreg The same suggestion is given in the comments. The OP didn't want this.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@MarcoDaniel I wonder it the best way is to use a custom .bst file which outputs .bib data in the required format. A bit of a pain, but that would be on-topic :-)
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
4:02 PM
@JosephWright In this relation you are right. The op wrote "I have a web application where I'm trying to create a database and it needs to accept data in that form."
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@MarcoDaniel Yes, I can see it is borderline (I wondered about closing it, but was not sure)
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@JosephWright I support the closing ;-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@MarcoDaniel OK, will do
Hmm, not many registrations for the Answer the Unanswered session today :-(
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@JosephWright Which session do you mean?
 
egreg
egreg
@MarcoDaniel The real answer is "modify the web application".
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
4:07 PM
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@egreg :-)
@JosephWright Normally there is a announcement at the starting page. I didn't note this sesseion.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@MarcoDaniel Oops: sorted
I've been a bit busy with other things, sorry
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@JosephWright Now I see it
@JosephWright No problem.
Before the session will start I have a basic question / opinion: I think we should close every question without response of the OP where the question is unclear. The missing activity of such members increases our unanswered counter.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@MarcoDaniel Other sites do that immediately, but the feeling has been to 'guide' newer users and give them at least a couple of weeks to reply
I'm happy to be a bit quicker on this if that is generally agreed
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@JosephWright Of course we should discuss this. I don't know a better word but I would say it is a little bit radical. Nevertheless I am for it.
 
egreg
egreg
4:14 PM
@JosephWright There have been quite a lot of such questions recently.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Fixed. :)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
The latest "use \begin{center} .. \end{center} to center an image" comment made me write this meta post:
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Q: Often referenced questions

Martin ScharrerI keep seeing the same bad coding styles being used in MWE or even recommended in answers or comments. There are also some FAQs (like the famous and repeatable asked how-to-place-my-figure-here question) which need to be linked to the appropriate existing question. Sometimes I have issue finding ...

discussion comments new-users big-list
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@DavidCarlisle Sorry I'm seeing this just now: With "Later there was ExTeX" I was really referring to ExTeX, another Java-based modular TeX engine which was loosely based on NTS, so it came really a lot later. e-TeX, AFAIR was also born in Hamburg, with the aim of doing some smaller extensions on a much shorter schedule than NTS, and it was available in a usable state a lot earlier than NTS.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
4:29 PM
@StephanLehmke oh sorry, I think I missed that one:-) @PauloCereda can you put that back?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Sure! I just need to wait until they put us back (the blog system is offline ATM). :(
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@MartinScharrer As you raised the topic that edits should not be explained in the text of a posting, I'd like to know what the preferred procedure is for making a question or answer which requires a substantial amount of work. I see now (after this experience) that it is inconvenient to readers to develop a sophisticated text by iterated edits "in the open". Is there a "draft" option for contributions? Or should I write everything in a text editor and just paste it in at the end?
How are the regulars doing it?
 
lockstep
lockstep
@StephanLehmke I used a text editor to write the answer to "Guidelines for customizing biblatex styles".
@JosephWright IIRC, the current rule of thumb is not to close questions less then 14 days old. Let's try to keep it that way for now -- there should be still plenty of question from late February/March begging to be closed.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
4:50 PM
@lockstep That was also my understanding: we probably have a lot to do as we are a week later than usual and there were a lot 'close to the line' last time
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@StephanLehmke Well, we hardly have extensively long questions here.
@StephanLehmke If you type your question in the "Ask Question" window it is already previewed. Also it is automatically saved as draft every 30-60 seconds or so, so you can actually close the window without submitting it and then return later to finish and submit it.
The draft buffer however is only for one question, so you can't work on two questions using this method.
You can of course edit your question after posting. What I meant that e.g. you don't need to add "Edit", "Edit (2)", "Edit (3)" headlines at the end of the existing post and then append the new stuff. You should instead update the post. Old versions, including any "original question" are still available in the post history. You can even link exactly to certain revisions of the post.
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
@JosephWright, @BrentLongborough I can now explain why my suggestion of a TeX-SX meeting in Oxford was only partly in jest: I'll be on sabbatical next academic year in Oxford so if there was a TeX-SX pub crawl, I could take part. (Probably only with the crawling bit as I may have to drive home afterwards). Anyway, so if there are any Oxford TeX events after the summer, sign me up.
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@MartinScharrer: Great list
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@MarcoDaniel Thanks!
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@lockstep Ok. Fortunately the editor window is available to "it's all text" :-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
4:59 PM
@AndrewStacey OK, I will push for Oxford for the UK-TUG AGM then. It usually takes place in late October or early November.
@AndrewStacey Of course, UK-TUG events are free for members ...
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
@JosephWright Better join then, hadn't I ... Or does my StackExchange TUG membership count for that?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@AndrewStacey TUG and UK-TUG are not the same thing :-)
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@MartinScharrer Ok, thanks for the explanation. Is this statement based on observation or convention? That is, are long questions frowned upon?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@AndrewStacey I'm not sure what we did last time non-members turned up to a venue where we'd had to pay! While I've been on the committee, either the venue has been free or no non-members have come :-)
I suspect we'll stick to the 'all welcome' approach
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@StephanLehmke It's observation, but your question is also so long that I do frown upon it ;-)
It need(s/ed) restructuring to see what exactly you are asking. Note several browser pages of summery and background information, then some questions.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
5:03 PM
Can you guys broadcast the meeting?
I want to watch it. :)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
Also, really hard-core (La)TeX questions are sometimes better off at comp.text.tex where almost all (La)TeX gurus are present.
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@MartinScharrer Ok, understood. No sense in irritating the regulars.
 
lockstep
lockstep
@MartinScharrer That's basically the U.S. Supreme Court's definition of pornography -- "I know it when I see it".
 
egreg
egreg
@lockstep Quid est enim tempus? Si nemo ex me quaerit, scio; si quaerenti explicare velim, nescio.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@StephanLehmke No, no, this was just meant as and advice. It's not an issue to have your question here.
 
egreg
egreg
5:08 PM
Change tempus in whatever you want. :)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
It's just sometimes much more likely to get an answer for really deep LaTeX-core questions there.
@lockstep Sorry, I don't get it.
 
lockstep
lockstep
@MartinScharrer Your approach to "When is a question too long?" :-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@MartinScharrer Not FMi :-)
@PauloCereda We talked about that last year. I might try Skype
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Cool!
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda I'm supposed to be talking to Kavah from River Valley about how they do things
 
egreg
egreg
5:14 PM
@lockstep Quando est quaestio enim superlonga? Si nemo ex me quaerit, scio; si quaerenti explicare velim, nescio.
 
lockstep
lockstep
@egreg I had to google the original, but I get it now. :-)
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@MartinScharrer It didn't look as if any answers were forthcoming anyway. I assume by writing the analysis I now have enough information to find an answer for myself :-)
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
@StephanLehmke There is also the possibility to turn it into a blog post, especially with an self-answer ;-) We have a blog for TeX.SE which you should be able to use for this if you want to.
There is a blog chat room where further things can be discussed: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/884/tex-blog-editor-room
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@MartinScharrer Not interested really. I was honestly looking for answers. I'm not convinced a blog post is the right place for this.
 
egreg
egreg
@lockstep That's one of my favorite quotations; instead of "time" I use "relation", for instance. It's a philosophical problem to know "what are relations"; in mathematics we choose only to study them, forgetting about giving a "meaningful" definition.
 
Martin Scharrer
Martin Scharrer
5:23 PM
@StephanLehmke Just an idea, for later anyway.
 
lockstep
lockstep
@StephanLehmke I'm looking forward to that answer.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@MartinScharrer Great idea
@StephanLehmke Shall I add you as a blog author?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
ExTeX is back. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda sorry one more TeX-friendly uuencoding TeX-friendly vvencoding
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle <3 :)
@JosephWright: Nice avatar. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
5:32 PM
@PauloCereda There's a story to that: in a minute (tea time)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
wikipedia doesn't have a page on vvencoding, clearly a major omission:-)
 
Stephan Lehmke
Stephan Lehmke
@JosephWright No need really. I don't feel comfortable writing blog posts after such a short period of membership at this site. I just burned dozens of hours writing an unwelcome question. I'll concetrate more on writing welcome answers for the next time :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Arara's first flight: cereda.github.com/arara
5
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
5:58 PM
@PauloCereda First of all nice page ;-) I didn't know this possibility of publishing. The "package" or "script" looks nice. I will test it. A small hint. I would provide an extra download-link at the section "installation".
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@MarcoDaniel Thanks! I'm still lost with GitHub's automatic page generator, it was my first try. :) I'll try to add the download link. :)
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@PauloCereda Looks nice. And your pdf-version is also nice. looks very clean.
@PauloCereda Will you announce the script at c.t.t.? I suggest it ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@MarcoDaniel Link added (GitHub seems to make it easy, after all). :) I wrote it with memoir -- my first attempt. :)
@MarcoDaniel I'm not sure, I'm really shy. :)
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@PauloCereda You don't need. I think such a tool needs advertising ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@MarcoDaniel I promise I'll think about posting in c.t.t. :)
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
6:05 PM
@PauloCereda A small question. You are using an underscore for the folder name. Does it lead to a problem in combination with latex? E.g.: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/35204/…
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@MarcoDaniel You mean the reference to ARARA_HOME?
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@PauloCereda Yes. It's really a question. I don't know it.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda So when does it go to CTAN?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@MarcoDaniel Don't worry. :) ARARA_HOME is not a "real" folder, it's just an alias for your real folder. For example, in my Windows machine, ARARA_HOME is C:\paulo\sofwares\arara. In my Mac and Linux ones, ARARA_HOME is /opt/paulo/arara. :)
@JosephWright I'm not sure. Should I submit it to CTAN?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda Why not?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:11 PM
@JosephWright I'm shy. :P
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda Tools and packages which are not on CTAN are a pain, in general. It's better to submit there, as it's much easier for most users to find material.
Am I okay to write a blog post on it (my blog, not the community one), after a little testing of course
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@PauloCereda I totally agree with @JosephWright
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright @MarcoDaniel: I'll think about it. :)
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
Time for dinner -- my pizza is waiting ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
The problem with Arara is... well, it doesn't work out of the box. :)
@MarcoDaniel Yay! Which flavour? :)
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
6:15 PM
@PauloCereda vegetarian
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda refer to last interview on cures for shyness
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@PauloCereda Can you create an executive file?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@MarcoDaniel I probably said that in the wrong way. Arara does work, but it's the user who writes the rules. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda like Make?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Yes, very similar. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
6:18 PM
@PauloCereda Do you have the basic tools set up 'out of the box', or does everything have to be set up?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda does it use invisible white space tabs as the main control syntax, that always makes things interesting:-)
yo! I'm a 21st century tex user: look at my log file
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$ more tm1.aux
\relax
\savepointas {mpar1}{pgfid1}
\savepointas {mpar2}{pgfid2}
\savepointas {mpar3}{pgfid3}
\savepointas {mpar4}{pgfid4}
\savepointas {mpar5}{pgfid5}
\savepointas {page1}{pgfid6}
\pgfsyspdfmark {pgfid6}{8012269}{45200179}
\pgfsyspdfmark {pgfid1}{15945763}{9728563}
\savepointas {page2}{pgfid7}
\pgfsyspdfmark {pgfid7}{11573877}{45200179}
\pgfsyspdfmark {pgfid2}{21411741}{42840883}
\pgfsyspdfmark {pgfid3}{30010590}{42840883}
\pgfsyspdfmark {pgfid4}{33082187}{41058303}
\pgfsyspdfmark {pgfid5}{20139469}{39275723}
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
To run the tool, you need:
- a directory with the proper `arara.jar` file in it and a wrapper for easy use (the one I mentioned in the Installation section)
- a directory with the rules you want to use, for example, pdflatex and makeindex
- the main directory exported to path
I can make a "batteries included" pack. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda I'll test, probably not today (need to be ready to Answer the Unanswered), but hopefully tomorrow
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Thanks! <3
 
Werner
Werner
Odd question, for those interested...
...I'm looking for the actual definition of \cr in terms of its vertical skip within align (and friends).
I thought \cr is equivalent to \\[\jot], but I don't think so.
Of course, \show\cr yields the invariable tautology \cr=>\cr.
...nice.
Those darned primitives.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
6:27 PM
@Werner you have mainly to watch what \everycr inserts after the cr
@Werner which in the case of ams alignments can be an interesting exercise
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
@DavidCarlisle That wasn't a typo?
 
Werner
Werner
@DavidCarlisle Are you referring to:
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
me? typo? surely not. which bit exactly?
 
Werner
Werner
\everycr{%
    \noalign{%
        #1%
        \ifdt@p
            \global\dt@pfalse
            \vskip-\lineskiplimit
            \vskip\normallineskiplimit
        \else
            \penalty\@eqpen \global\dspbrk@lvl\m@ne
        \fi
    }%
}%
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
that and similar but dinner calls....
 
Alan Munn
Alan Munn
6:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle The vvencoding vs. uuencoding. (I changed it when I edited the post originally.)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle OMG!
@JosephWright: email sent with my setup. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda Thanks: received
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Please please please take care. I don't want to make your machine explode. :)
@JosephWright: Now tell us about your avatar. :P
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
6:45 PM
@PauloCereda OK. One of my colleagues decided that my Gravatar picture is 'creepy'. I asked her 'okay, so which picture is better', and she said 'the one where you are furthest from the camera'! We'd been out for a birthday on Monday, on a boat, and so had the snap of the ducks feeding. As this does not feature me at all, she seemed happy enough with it :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Wow. That's mean. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda :-)
This was all focussed on my Facebook profile picture, but I use the same one for everything, so a duck it is!
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Q: Xetex problem with \setmainfont

blahbaaI am trying to write my CV using the LaTeX template on this page: http://www.cv-templates.info/2009/03/professional-cv-latex/ I use xelatex command to generate PDF file, but it fails and complains about not finding specified fonts. However, it works when I remove all \setmainfont commands and ou...

fonts xetex templates
Sigh: what happened to 'do not migrate old questions without good value'
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright TeX is really apart from the rest of the SE world. :)
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
@MarcoDaniel Re the beamer notes page. My difficulty with turning the comments into an answer is that I don't know how to do the bit with getting the beamer notes page right. I could figure out the pdftk syntax, but that's the easy part. I don't use beamer notes so have no idea how the template works.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
7:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle Did you get my e-mail?
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
@JosephWright Yes, I spotted one or two migrations today that seemed old and of no real value. I thought that wasn't meant to happen.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@AndrewStacey No, it's not
@AndrewStacey The 'official' line is that we should close migrations of old questions where there is not a good answer or some other 'value'
 
Werner
Werner
@JosephWright Whoops... This may have been my doing...
...but seeing as you mention official in (single) quotes, I guess I didn't read it somewhere. :-/
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@Werner Don't worry: part of 'Answer the Unanswered' is that I or one of the other mods are on hand to sort this out
@Werner Mod lounge, so you would not have seen this
 
Werner
Werner
@JosephWright M'kay.
@JosephWright Thanks.
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
7:09 PM
@PauloCereda What I mean you can make an executive of the file arara (bash script) or arara.bat.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@MarcoDaniel Ah got it. :) Good idea. :)
@GonzaloMedina: Congrats for earning the first silver beamer tag badge!
 
Marco Daniel
Marco Daniel
@PauloCereda silver ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@MarcoDaniel Ah yes, I forgot about it. :P
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
Just read the blog interview. Fantastic. Let me know when the next interview with David is as I now have a long list of follow-up questions! (Memo to self: get scratch installed for my 8-year old.)
Oh, and to whoever it was that said we should teach more programming and less logarithms (@Ariel, was it you?). All I can say is: you might think that, I couldn't possibly comment (and link to: programmers.stackexchange.com/a/137075/48582)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
7:25 PM
@AlanMunn but it still says uu now, should say vv as otherwise the sentence doesn;t make sense: we had to use vvencode because uuencode wasn't safe through bitnet gateways
@JosephWright ah yes sorry meant to reply but got sidetravked, perhaps I need to check what's on at work
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle Great - just wanted to make sure it had not gone AWOL
I'm going to talk to Kaveh from River Valley about streaming - perhaps I can get him to come too, so I don't have to do that!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright not seen kaveh for ages (actually not seen anyone from tex world for ages:-)
 
Jake
Jake
@PauloCereda (and David Carlisle): Great interview! Minor typo: "Sadly he seem to prefer football."
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle I've never met him, but asked him ages ago about the streaming. Then I got sidetracked, and did not sort it. As I'm 'between jobs' it seems like an ideal time to set things up. Plus we actually have some momentum to get the UK-TUG meeting set up far enough in advance that people will come ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Jake Thanks, fixed. :)
 
Jake
Jake
7:32 PM
@PauloCereda Cool
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright If you have a good camera, we can come up with a set up. :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda Oh yes, I'm sure. But River Valley know what they are doing :-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda thanks so just the vvencode now (until the next person spots something:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Agreed. :)
@DavidCarlisle In which part? I dind uu's but not vv's.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda exactly change the first uu back to vv
uuencode wasn't safe so we used vvencode (you can still find some vvencoded files on ctan, whether you can find a vvdecode to unpack them is another question:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
7:36 PM
@DavidCarlisle Roger! Done. :)
@JosephWright: David's interview could be published in UK-TUG's Baskerville. :)
(wow, 25 people in chat?!)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda Ah, well now, Baskerville. Content is hard to come by, and we are (once again) lacking an editor
@PauloCereda Let's hope they all stay for Answer the Unanswered
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright Oh. :(
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright Incidentally it's not really clear how those answer the answered sessions work, clearly anyone (at any time) can flick down the unanswered list and answer something, but how does the session work, how do you avoid all editing the same answers at the same time?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda My bigger worry is finding someone to stand as Chairman in October (unless our current chair continues, of course)
@DavidCarlisle It's a time when we know that we'll tackle the list. Quite often, what is needed is a quick discussion or votes-to-close. Closing needs 5 high-rep users to see a question, or one of the mods to use the 'mod-hammer'
@DavidCarlisle Usually, if there is a question you are going to answer you post the link and indicate that you are 'taking' it. I always ask that when a 'mod-close' is needed people @JosephWright me, and I'll then vote as required :-)
Basically, watch @lockstep and follow his lead (if you can keep up!)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
thanks I'll be there forsome of the time at least (may have to be out for part of it)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
7:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle With summer time I tend to miss then end, but we normally have a few 'to do' questions left for the Sunday
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
8:25 PM
@PauloCereda their was no CTAN then there was no CTAN then (sorry)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
35 minutes!
@DavidCarlisle Fixed. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda thanks
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
Oh ... epsilons. I'm one hour out. Blast that daylight-saving.
 
tohecz
tohecz
 
Andrew Stacey
Andrew Stacey
8:39 PM
@tohecz I'm used to being only one hour out from British time, and I think of GMT as the time zone, hence my error. At this time on a Saturday night, my maths skills are at an all time low.
 
tohecz
tohecz
Well, me myself I had to use google to find out the right time, DST kills me really...
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
8:55 PM
Hello @Jin - what brings you here?
 
egreg
egreg
@tohecz If you hover the mouse over your login name in the main window, the current UTC time appears at the bottom. I'm always looking there for being able to do the math. :)
 
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