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(1) Floating points are internally always stored in the same way, without formatting info, so in `\fp_set:Nn \X { \fp_to_decimal:n {#1} }`, the inner call is useless. (2) On the other hand, you can simply do `\fp_to_decimal:n {#1}` to expand to the value of the fp as a decimal number (with all the relevant leading or trailing zeros, no `e`). (3) Don't give a `tl` name to your functions: those are reserved to the kernel only. So `\tl_trim:N` should be `\my_tl_trim:N` perhaps. (4) As egreg says, this is non-expandable, so won't be enough for the OP.
 
 
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6:02 AM
Hi!
 
@BrunoLeFloch and @egreg: Thanks for the information. After work I will I read it careful.
 
 
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8:52 AM
@BrunoLeFloch I think at the kernel level (in terms of 'programming code') we only need basic fp printing support. 'Pretty printing' is really something that code similar to siunitx should handle at a 'native' LaTeX3 level, I would say. (I guess you fancy doing-like number formatting support, but that is not something I feel is a priority at the moment, if ever.)
 
9:47 AM
@FaheemMitha sorry it took so long to answer.
 
10:06 AM
@PatrickGundlach: Great answer! :) I wish I could upvote it more. :)
 
@PauloCereda you could create some fake accounts ;-))
Actually it is not that great, because it misses so many steps (installation)
but these steps are system dependent.
 
@PatrickGundlach LOL! I'm already in the CHAOS blacklist for being the serial voter. :)
 
It's always good to post answers in the morning, so you have some votes left ;-)
 
True! :)
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Q: Looking for macros to typeset syntax in more conventional way

Damien WaltersI want to create a note about PSTricks and I need macros to typeset syntax in more conventional way that is adopted by most computer scientists. For example, I need a pair of > and < but they must be slimmer than the usual ones. Here I used \guillemotright and \guillemotleft as I could not ...

barbara's comment is epic. :)
 
It's dangerous to be a serial voter, @PauloCereda
 
10:16 AM
@PatrickGundlach Oh my! :-|
 
@PatrickGundlach Cool! :)
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A: Problem with \makebox and the unit in the dimensions

David CarlisleDon't tell anyone I told you, but you can go \def\unitlength{} \sbox{\mabox}{\includegraphics[scale=0.10]{Pingouin}} \makebox(0pt,0pt)[b]{\put(0pt,0pt){\usebox\mabox}} \fbox{\makebox(\wd\mabox,\ht\mabox)[b]{\put(0pt,0pt){\parbox{\wd\mabox}{blindtext}}}} Note that having made \unitlength unitle...

"Don't tell anyone I told you". :P
 
11:07 AM
isn't this a secure channel?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes. :)
 
11:59 AM
Hi all, as you could have lately seen..I'm working with LaTeX and PGF/TikZ package in my thesis. So I'm looking for detailed/better literature about LaTeX and PGF. I saw here lot of people committed in writting about LaTeX so you can prefer me your own work if it has something to do with PGF and its description or give any advise/preferences of some else literature/document about it. Thanks :)
 
@JosephWright @BrunoLeFloch: I agree with Joseph.
 
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A: how can I get tex file compiled into image

R. SchumacherThis only works for single pages, Windows, Powerpoint installed. Use the standalone package to get a pdf with minimum margins. Now open powerpoint and insert the pdf image. Right click on image and save to desired format. I have used ImageMagick for batch file conversions of multiple image fi...

I really want to believe that this is meant ironically.
 
12:14 PM
@DavidCarlisle Heiko already thought about this!
 
@PauloCereda I must admit to having wondered about the connection between those strange symbols and birds. I figured that if you turned them sideways then they looked a bit like kids' drawings of birds.
 
@egreg Heiko already thought about everything:-)
 
@AndrewStacey Indeed! :)
Like birds flying into the sun. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle The problem with the solution that nobody told is that the syntax \put(1,1) becomes illegal.
 
12:31 PM
@egreg yes sure, you could just steal the code from \fontsize which allows either, i guess that's what heiko did, the real problem though it;s easier to just change stuff than search ctan to find out who has already done it 9especially if you have latex.ltx in your head already)
happened the other day as well when i sketched a marginpar re-implementation in comments and got the response isn't that what marginfix does (which it was, exactly:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Of course: I too gave some answers just to discover that some package takes care of the problem. The number of directories under texmf-dist/tex/latex is 1558.
And there are LaTeX packages also outside of that. :)
 
1:22 PM
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Q: xparse bug in optional arguments (simply not working)?

UiyThe follow code returns No Value instead of 3 \documentclass[11pt]{book} % use larger type; default would be 10pt \usepackage{xparse} \begin{document} \DeclareDocumentCommand{\Dotparse}{o m} { #1 } \Dotparse{[3]f4s3} \end{document}

Oh God.
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Q: What will happen when the Code Names of the Ubuntu releases get to Z

Luis AlvaradoThe last release was Natty Narwhal (Letter N) for the 11.04. Then it was Oneiric Ocelot (Letter O) for the 11.10. This time, the newest one will be Precise Pangolin (Letter P) for the 12.04. At this pace, what will happen when Ubuntu gets to Z. Will it start with numbers (007 Edition), will it s...

The end of Ubuntu? :D
/just kidding
 
1:43 PM
@egreg you beat me by a second (but at least you didn't use tikz:-)
 
@PauloCereda I've voted as too localized
 
@egreg The OP now changed the question, but it's still a misconception about xparse. :)
 
@PauloCereda I wouldn't worry: it's rather unlikely that Ubuntu reaches version Z before December 2012 when the world is going to end anyway. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes: as @FrankMittelbach would point out, it's for defining LaTeX2e-like document-level syntax
We are not aiming to parse any arbitrary input pattern (which is asking for trouble, as it encourages poor input syntax design). Of course, there is @BrunoLeFloch's regex module as an alternative.
 
@egreg Oh. :) Problem solved. :)
 
1:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yours is expandable, mine is not, but it's more general as the set of tokens where the switch is due to happen is customizable and can contain anything.
 
@JosephWright Parsing input would give a big headache. :)
 
@PauloCereda I know: for example, siunitx can't be done as a regex or anything like :-)
 
@egreg you mean an interface where you have to drob in character numbers into a nested expandable if and take kare manually of any unwanted expansion or brace groups isn;t "customisable" well....
 
@PauloCereda Especially if the input to parse is strangely set.
 
@egreg Indeed. :)
 
1:54 PM
What's the point in inputting x12y10z11cgreen instead of 12,12,11,green?
 
@JosephWright Speaking of siunitx, your package is amongst the top of mind. :) I've been writing and testing some scripts for Stefan's project and siunitx was heavily used. :P
@egreg Maybe the OP keyboard has no comma. :)
 
@PauloCereda Or there's a missing connection between the hand and the ...
 
@egreg Ah! :P
 
2:31 PM
We had 14 unique accesses to the chat reference about credit cards. :)
 
@PauloCereda hmph and you told me this channel was secure.
 
@DavidCarlisle It is! :) The credit card reference is just a tease. :)
 
 
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3:53 PM
Oh I'm close to 5k now! 27 rep to go. :)
It might take two weeks. :P
 
4:16 PM
@PauloCereda time is relative...
 
@PauloCereda Wow that was a fast two weeks.. :-). You are half way to getting "magical powers".
 
@PeterGrill I think he already deserves at least 3 times more than he has considering his input
 
Agreed...But even I don't have those "magical powers". Perhaps egreg does. :-)
 
@PeterGrill Well …
 
@egreg Sorry, forgot to address the last comment -- it was in response to @percusse comment that @PauloCereda deserves more rep...
 
4:23 PM
@PeterGrill You have the maximum powers allowed to non moderators.
 
Yeah I know, I was joking that perhaps give your status you could some get Paulo more rep...
 
@PeterGrill I try, but I can't upvote his non answers. :)
 
@PeterGrill Actually I have about 5000 more than what I really need (editing that is) :-)
 
:3849450: Good Point. @PauloCereda: Now you know the secret, You just need less non-answers...
 
@JosephWright: Can you please contact me via PM (or mail or similar)? It's about downvotes again. Thank you.
 
4:38 PM
@egreg, i could not understand the answer given by wasteofspace for tex.stackexchange.com/q/48234/10008
 
@ThorstenDonig Okay
 
@Anil It's clearly a misunderstanding of the problem
 
@egreg OK.
 
@Anil Do you want the footnote text also? Or just the footnote mark?
@Anil Correction The answer does what you seem to need.
There's the inconvenience of having to declare the "repeating" footnotes in the preamble, but they won't appear twice (a couple of LaTeX runs may be necessary) in the same page and the marker will be right.
 
4:53 PM
@egreg I wish to have text with number
 
@Anil What's the purpose of having the same text with the same number twice?
 
@egreg I understand. Let me clarify my doubt
@egreg I wish to cite a chemical name in the running matter and in the footnote, i wish to quote its synonym. To have the clarity, when ever i use the chemical name running matter, i have to use the synonym in the footnote. Therefore, should i use footnote or should i use cross reference? Which one is better (i) for the manuscript (ii) for compilation
 
can anyone remember how longtable works....
 
@Anil If you use the same footnote marker, it seems to me that only one footnote is necessary. Are you really sure that you need to use a footnote for each appearance of the name?
@DavidCarlisle I don't know; I'm only a satisfied user. :)
@DavidCarlisle It's not a fault of longtable; if I load it after tabu then the break is correct.
Well, it's not really true. :(
 
@egreg Yes. I am using a lot of chemicals names and in different context. Hence i feel its better to use synonyms every time. I wish to have the non-continuous footnotes for the subsequent pages. as i dont know where these synonyms appear, e i have to cite the synonyms every time.
 
5:06 PM
Can somebody provide a question for using l3prop? I want to provide a small example to show the benefits of this module.
 
@DavidCarlisle Two longtables in the same page as a float break.
@Anil I don't agree (it seems abusing footnotes). If you footnote the synonym once, then you've done all it's needed. Footnoting every appearance is surely too much.
 
@egreg Agreed. But, how do you solve this problem? I would like to explain a process in a paragraph, which has got chemicals 1 to 5. I have to use their synonyms in footnote. In the subsequent paragraphs, i have to explain another process, which has got chemicals 1,2,5,6,7, for which i have to use footnote for their synonyms. How to solve this?
 
@egreg I think it's a reported bug (I updated my answer)
 
5:21 PM
@egreg With out using footnote aspect, another solution could be, i can use cross-reference and it should look like "Chemical A (see.... on page ...)". And the synonyms will be an appendix.
 
@DavidCarlisle: Can you provide an example.
 
@MarcoDaniel of l3prop?
 
@DavidCarlisle No ;-) of the longtable bug. I am not able to pointed out the correct code ;-)
 
Not sure what yiou mean the example on the site or in latex-project.org/cgi-bin/ltxbugs2html?pr=tools/3512 both fail the same way (with the table hanging off the bottom of the page)
 
@egreg signing off for the day. bye
 
5:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle At the bug database I read the following sentence: The following patch to longtable.sty fixes the problem. I can figure out what is the patch?
 
the patch is unix diff format, so any lines marked with - in the first line you need to remove and any lines with + you need to add (without the +) (the result is a bit long to paste in to the site, and anyway I'd rather not until Ive tested it, changed the version number and stuff(
 
@DavidCarlisle and what does @@ -160,7 +160,7 @@ mean?
 
@MarcoDaniel check your email (at least, someone with a name possibly like yours should check their email:-) the numbers mean that that chunk is around line 160
If you have patch on your system (fraom larry wall, before he wrote perl, I think) then you just pipe the whole patch to patch and it updates the file accordingly. (the whole of latex2e was developed that way, sending patches by email, as we didn't have any shared source control, just had out ocal RCS source control kept in sync by email.....
 
@DavidCarlisle: Thanks
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@PatrickGundlach : Thanks for the answer. I'm in the process of upgrading to Tex Live 2011 now. I'll report what results I get.
 
5:47 PM
@PauloCereda: My next holidays I will spend in Brazil: youtube.com/watch?v=f4AEXlkxJYk&feature=related ;-)
 
6:03 PM
@Anil Sorry for having broken the chat, but I had to go to the train station.
 
6:40 PM
@egreg I did see your train acknowledgement (translation actually not needed) but real life intervened and I was too busy to be in chat. Of course here in the US, such acknowledgements are close to impossible, since there are almost no passenger trains at all. :(
@PauloCereda I like the answer that say that Apple will have the same problems when it runs out of cats. and then mentions Schrödinger's Cat. But strangely enough it fails to run with the joke, so I will: OS X Schrödinger: it either works or it doesn't. :)
 
7:07 PM
^^
 
@PatrickGundlach : I'm getting the following error with your example.
! LuaTeX error <\directlua >:1: unexpected symbol near '`'.
\luacode@dbg@exec ...code@maybe@printdbg {#1} #1 }

l.29 \end{luacode*}
This is with the Tex Live packages in Debian experimental. Apparently a snapshot of Tex Live 2012. Any idea what the problem is?
Perhaps I'm missing some packages?
 
7:29 PM
Never mind. Cut and paste error.
Emacs insists on changing " to `` and ''. Tiresome.
 
For your linguistic and orthographic viewing pleasure: (from the local Starbucks):

We now serve panini's.
 
7:56 PM
We have something similar
All the proffessors here serve us pain and suffering for our exams.
 
8:23 PM
@FaheemMitha Press " twice.
@AlanMunn That's like the horrible "linguini"
 
8:43 PM
Just an FYI, if my questions are ever as hard to understand something like tex.stackexchange.com/questions/48295/…, and most of this other questions, please just let me know -- I'd be happy to revise. Or is it just me that is having a hard time with understanding his questions? I realize he is fairly new, but...
Hey, how come it shows 30.3K rep here for me???? I guess SO still have some work to do...
 
@egreg But it has the added value of the "greengrocer's apostrophe"!
 
@PeterGrill On chat the total rep on all sites is shown
 
@egreg Ok that explains the rep numbers here. But I know I have seen some weird behavior on TeX.SE regarding rep as well in the past few days...
 
@egreg : Right. I realized that.
 
It's frustrating. The whole answer are useless : tex.stackexchange.com/questions/48260/… -- This is not what I want because I want to take a certain STRING and turn it into a macro(I'll write a post that clarifies what I'm after)
 
8:56 PM
@MarcoDaniel And the follow-up post doesn't clarify anything, of course. :(
 
@egreg Indeed
 
@MarcoDaniel Yep, so good to know its not just me. In this case it sounds like he is looking for \csname string\endcsname...
 
@PeterGrill Maybe. But it's very curious.
 
9:11 PM
AAAAAAAHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Arrrrrgg!!!
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Q: Color text without color package?

Micah DombrowskiI'm about to submit an article for publication, and I need to color some label text that I'm overlaying on my figures with the overpic package/environment (some labels need to be white to be readable on some figures). Problem is, I just noticed the submission guidelines say no color packages, so...

We really need a tag for (insane-)submission-guidelines or something like that.
 
who starred that comment and squashed Marco's hand?
 
@MartinScharrer You are the moderator ;-)
@DavidCarlisle The hand looks nice ;-)
 
9:35 PM
200 rep today :-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Did you get an answer for this?
 
@PatrickGundlach And already an upvote not counting for rep! Congratulations!
 
Thanks, @egreg Where can I see how much I exceeded the rep cap? I know about tex.sx/reputation, but is there another way?
 
On comp.text.tex there's a question about running TikZ with a TeX distribution based on Y&Y TeX. Yikes!
 
@egreg I think Y&Y is still pretty common for publishers
 
9:40 PM
@PatrickGundlach Just go to your profile and click on "reputation:"
 
@PatrickGundlach If you go to your reputation page: tex.stackexchange.com/users/243/patrick-gundlach?tab=reputation you'll see all the votes you got, including how much they contributed
 
Thanks @egreg and @PeterGrill
 
q482895[5dv]
 
@GonzaloMedina \S\S\S\S\L\R\R\L\S\R\R\L\R\R\L\S\S\S\L\R\R\L\R\R
This is a quotation, of course. :)
 
@GonzaloMedina Is that your password?
 
9:47 PM
@PatrickGundlach hehe! No; it's a stringified version of "question 482895 has 5 downvotes"
 
I think you meant 48295
 
@GonzaloMedina Yes, it does seem that 'Uiy' does not quite understand that TeX is s typesetting system, and so writing an arbitrary parsing system is non-trivial. Also, what he seems to want does not make for a good user interface, at least within the tradition of TeX-based input.
 
@JosephWright Especially since his last question was a wrong interpretation of how arguments are handled byxparse.
 
@JosephWright Yeah, I wanted to tell him in his earlier question(s), but since he was new I did not want to offend him. Perhaps someone with more grace can do so.
 
@zeroth I think Uiy has just seen 'parse' and decided that this should mean 'BNF grammar definitions' or similar
 
9:51 PM
@JosephWright From what I gathered Uiy wants to typeset guitar chords. But still I miss why x2y3z4cgreen should be more compact than 2,3,4,green
 
@PeterGrill Always a bit awkward
@egreg Poor (or at least non-standard) interface design, like I said :-)
 
Yes... It is awkward that he starts with so high a quest for TeX power without knowing the initial purpose and mindset of TeX.
 
@zeroth yes should stick to the main purpose of TeX, like parsing regexp, or xml, or recursive christmas carols, that sort of thing.
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@DavidCarlisle :)
At least wait until Christmas... I am not geared for that yet! :)
 
@egreg I upvoted your "mortal environment" answer. Is my answer acceptable, or should I delete it?
 
10:01 PM
@lockstep It doesn't abort and moreover it spawns other errors when return is hit
 
@egreg Thanks, deleted. Note to self: Concentrate on biblatex stuff.
 
Lucida OpenType (+math) is available! tug.org/store/lucida
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@JosephWright Unfortunately no.
 
@MarcoDaniel What do you need to know?
 
@JosephWright For an article Frank suggested to show the benefits of the module l3prop. Now I want to provide a small useful example to show the benefits. But I have no idea.
 
10:11 PM
@MarcoDaniel Well, it's a good way to store information without needing to track csnames, and you can also map to all keys easily. siunitx uses it a lot.
 
@PatrickGundlach Ordered!
 
@MarcoDaniel So for example
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{expl3}
\begin{document}
\ExplSyntaxOn
\noindent
\prop_new:N \l_my_prop
\prop_put:Nnn \l_my_prop { a } { stuff }
\prop_put:Nnn \l_my_prop { b } { more~stuff }
\prop_put:Nnn \l_my_prop { c } { even~more~stuff }
\prop_map_inline:Nn \l_my_prop { Key:~`#1';~value~`#2' \\ }
\prop_if_in:NnTF \l_my_prop { a } { Found } { Not~found \\ }
\prop_if_in:NnTF \l_my_prop { x } { Found } { Not~found \\ }
\end{document}
 
Oh my! I'm 5k! <3
and I'm back too. :)
 
@egreg Tempted :-)
 
@percusse, @PeterGrill: Thank you guys! :)
@MarcoDaniel Yay! :) I approve (the bikinis, not the song). :P
 
10:17 PM
@JosephWright Thanks for this example. What are the differences to l3keys? I store a "key-value" syntax in the command \l_my_prop. l3keys uses family instead. You now what I mean.
@PauloCereda The bikinis ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel :D
Funny story: Michel is being sued by the "original author" of that song. All the money he got from that song is now blocked by the Brazilian justice. :P
 
@MarcoDaniel They are for different things. l3key is for creating keyval input, for example optional arguments for settings as seen in the user interface of siunitx. l3prop is about defining a data storage format for use internally in holding information.
So when you create a key with l3keys, you need to specify a tl (or something else) to store the information in
In that sense we have not gone for the pgfkeys approach of creating an object-oriented programming approach
 
@AlanMunn haha everytime I hear about Schrödinger, I remember this Futurama scene: youtube.com/watch?v=25Tw9ihZxrA "There's also a lot of drugs in there". :P
 
@JosephWright It sounds a little bit like \prg_case_str:nnn. So I can define my own cases. An example can be:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{expl3}
\begin{document}
\ExplSyntaxOn
\noindent
\prop_new:N \l_my_prop
\prop_put:Nnn \l_my_prop { a } { stuff }
\prop_put:Nnn \l_my_prop { b } { more~stuff }
\prop_put:Nnn \l_my_prop { c } { even~more~stuff }
\cs_new:Npn \mycase #1
 {
   \prop_if_in:NnTF \l_my_prop { #1 }
     {
       \prop_get:NnN \l_my_prop { #1 } \l_tmpa_tl
       \tl_use:N  \l_tmpa_tl
     }
     { Not~found  }
 }
\ExplSyntaxOff

\mycase{a}

\mycase{v}
\end{document}
In siunitx you are using it in a kind of bool ;-)
 
10:33 PM
@MarcoDaniel You'd get better performance here using \prop_get:Nn(TF) (which was introduced partly as siunitx needs to do a lot of this, and I was doing lots of get + quark_if stuff)
@MarcoDaniel Well, sort of. In v1, there were a lot of flags, etc., which are all in a structured format in v2. It's very handy to be able to see what is actually going on in 'one shot', and also to be able to do things like make a copy of a data structure using \prop_set_eq:NN
 
@AlanMunn: They could use my cat instead:
Lazy cat. :P
 
@JosephWright I can't find any hint or definition of \prop_get:Nn(TF)
@JosephWright I will play with l3prog and if I find a nice example I will post it ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel An answer where I used prop: tex.stackexchange.com/a/44950/4427
 
@MarcoDaniel Oops, \prop_get:NnN(TF), around p. 117 in interface3.
 
diabonas has brought up in the list one of my first answers!
 
10:43 PM
@egreg Nice. I couldn't remember. I only know tex.stackexchange.com/questions/44877/…
 
@egreg It's amazing the take-up we are seeing now with LaTeX3 code
I have to promote some stuff I've been doing on datatool-like stuff for LaTeX3 :-)
 
@JosephWright This function I found.
 
@egreg: Is this message OK?
-- show message
print("Warning: '*' citation found. I'll do the check nonetheless.\n")
 
@JosephWright The more we have the better people will think about it. I'm trying to follow Frank's advice of using \NewDocumentCommand only to parse arguments and to transfer the job to inner macros.
 
Or maybe print("Warning: '*' citation found.").
 
10:47 PM
@egreg Agree on both counts (more people = good and xparse = parse arguments for internal use) :-)
 
@PauloCereda I'd prefer "\nocite{*} found, I'll do the check nonetheless"
 
@JosephWright: A missing letter N can introduce such trouble ;-)
 
@egreg Done. :)
@egreg: And in the doc: "If \verb|\citation{*}| is found, \checkcites\ will issue a message telling that \verb|\nocite{*}| is in the \verb|.tex| document, but the script will do the check nonetheless."
 
@PauloCereda OK
 
@egreg Grazie. :)
 
11:03 PM
@PauloCereda What if we propose that Italian becomes the chat's official language?
 
@egreg Fine with me! :) And @Joseph won't have any problems either. :P
 
@PauloCereda My Italian is very basic :-(
 
@JosephWright My writing skills are basic too, but I understand it very well. :)
Question: for package updates, should I fill the "Suggested CTAN directory"? :)
 
@PauloCereda I don't think it's necessary.
 
11:27 PM
I'm looking at
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Q: Installing Lua Modules for use in LuaLaTeX

Andrew StarksI've done all of the searching that I can, and I think I've read the right answer, but am too dumb to know that I read it. I can't seem to figure out the magic tricks to get Lua modules, installed by luarocks or by any other means, to show up in LuaLaTeX. So here is a minimal: %!TEX TS-program ...

How do I configure CLUAINPUTS in texmf.cnf? Is there some generic config program?
I see there is this thing called texconfig
 
11:39 PM
I need to write a sample formal document using XeLaTeX, and I want to use a very sober, formal font. Do you have any suggestions?
 
11:50 PM
@egreg Done. Script updated. :)
@GonzaloMedina I like Linux Biolinum. :)
 
@PauloCereda Thank you, Paulo. I will give it a try.
 
@GonzaloMedina :)
What do I do now with 5k? :)
 

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