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9:51 AM
Yay! :)
@JosephWright: I posted the six links to our interviews in the interview room. Could you star those messages? I think it would be nice to have them listed as "favorites". :)
I really have a reverse Midas touch. Just because I submitted something to CTAN, it had a network outage. :P mail-archive.com/ctan-ann@dante.de/msg04681.html
 
10:09 AM
@PauloCereda Also tug.org seems to be down.
 
@egreg Ah true. :(
 
@PauloCereda What did you do? :)
 
@egreg Uh-oh! :)
My keyboard has one of these keys. :)
 
@PauloCereda Thank you for having pressed the self-destruction button (from Space Balls)
 
10:27 AM
@egreg LOL! :)
There's a scene from a Futurama episode where the space capitan Zapp Brannigan needs to cut a cerimonial ribbon. He's in his ship, outside the building where he is supposed to cut the ribbon. He then decides to cut it with the ship laser, but he puts the laser option to "HyperDeath". The building explodes. :P
 
@egreg I want one! :)
 
11:31 AM
@PauloCereda We're already in TeX Live! which checkcites gives /usr/texbin/checkcites
 
@egreg Oh my! Really?
 
I've edited the answer to reflect this
 
@egreg Thanks!
 
@PauloCereda texdoc checkcites gives the fancy documentation
 
@egreg Yay! Thankfully with no parskip. :D
I updated my Windows box and it worked too!
C:\Users\Paulo>where checkcites
C:\paulo\softwares\texlive\2011\bin\win32\checkcites.exe
 
11:35 AM
(now running tlmgr update --all to be able to read the parskip free doc :)
 
@PatrickGundlach :P
 
update: lua-visual-debug [235k] (25475 -> 25586) ... done :)
 
@PatrickGundlach Yay sexy package! :)
Now I'm convinced that Lua is the reference for writing support scripts. It's insanely easy to deploy.
 
I don't have checkcites yet.
 
@PatrickGundlach You could improve the documentation with a table showing the meaning of the colored rules.
@PatrickGundlach It depends on what repository you're using. Maybe yours has not been updated due to tug.org being offline.
 
11:40 AM
@egreg I will.
 
I broke TUG. :P
 
@PatrickGundlach Now it's back online, tomorrow you'll have also checkcites
 
Something similar like this will be in the next documentation
with an explanation of the numbers
 
@PatrickGundlach WOW, kerns, skips and all!
 
@PatrickGundlach Fantastic!
 
11:42 AM
@egreg yes: penalties and possible hyphenation points
(6 and 4)
 
Will your book be available in English?
 
perhaps in a year
 
Yay, I'll buy it. :)
 
I have to write it first :) or better: :(
 
Oh. :)
 
11:47 AM
@PauloCereda ROTFL Now go and sit on the naughty stair until an adult fixes it.
 
When using bibtex & memoir, how can I customize the text in the header "Bibliography"? I am sorry for a basic question, I am really in a rush, any answer would be very much appreciated...
 
@BrentLongborough LOL epic. :) It reminds me of Super Nanny. :)
 
Fanboy Wars just started. I'm going to write one for memoir.
 
@Szabolcs It depends on whether you're using babel. If not, a simple \renewcommand{\bibname}{Whatever} will do. Otherwise \addto\captionshungarian{\renewcommand{\bibname}{Whatever}} (assuming your main language is Hungarian).
 
If I had to choose a doomsday song, I'd pick this one. :P
 
12:01 PM
@egreg I'm using \usepackage[british]{babel} but I need "Selected bibliography" in the title. Will it not work when I use babel? I'll just remove babel then, it's not essential.
American spelling hasn't killed anyone.
 
Then the caos in streets would be powered by this song.
 
Sorry, didn't read carefully enough. Thank you!
 
@PauloCereda And I this one
@PatrickGundlach Brilliant. Now it's a triumvirate: Bringhurst, Wilson, and Gundlach.
 
@BrentLongborough haha great!
 
@BrentLongborough Don't insult Bringhurst and Wilson
 
12:10 PM
@PauloCereda I must be getting very grumpy, but Monty Python and Family Guy are about the only things I enjoy watching these days.
@PatrickGundlach Seriously, this is so useful.
 
@Szabolcs \addto\captionsbritish{\renewcommand{\bibname}{Selected bibliography}} should work. Put it before \begin{document}
 
@PauloCereda Botafogo!!!
Yay! 5k karma. "Not as much as I'd like, but better than I deserve"
 
@BrentLongborough haha nice ones! :)
@BrentLongborough Almost identical uniform. :)
 
@PauloCereda "all entries identifiers": there's an apost'ophe mis'ing som'where in th're. I'll len' you on' of m'ne. Also, any chance of an option to ignore \citation{*}? I can imagine wanting to distinguish between manual citations and automatic ones.
 
@Szabolcs Only because George W Bush didn't know the difference between "nuclear" and "nukular"...
 
12:24 PM
@AndrewStacey Ah thanks! I'll fix the typo (English fail). :) To be honest, I'm inclined to ignore citation{*} by default. :)
 
Is it me, or is something wrong with the site? :/
 
@RoelofSpijker @PauloCereda, did you press the button again?
Please stop nuking other websites!
 
@PatrickGundlach This time I'm clean. :) I only broke CTAN and TUG. Oh wait...
 
It's working again
 
 
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4:21 PM
"I want to use Definitions \ref{foo} and \ref{bar} are equivalent as label". Incredible.
 
Mar 9 at 13:50, by David Carlisle
@egreg Nothing is surprising after a while
 
4:35 PM
@DavidCarlisle The answer to my comment is "Valuing keystrokes over readability is bad." :)
 
@egreg Oh the humanity. :)
 
5:15 PM
@egreg And I thought I wanted to tear my hair out* when someone else asked about why < and > don't print properly with OT1, and scream "if you're a noob, use utf8 and luatex". ([*] I speak figuratively, of course, about tearing my hair out)
And why doesn't the chat room support footnotes
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... with longtable-s in them?
And when I see people struggling with fonts via \usepackage{x} where x not in "fontspec"...
You guessed, today I'm feeling extra grumpy
Because I'm trying to understand how beamer themes fit together, all 337 of them...
 
@BrentLongborough We've had some curious questions in the last few days. I'm happy you've never referred to what happened in Cardiff last Saturday. :(
 
5:33 PM
Footnote attempt fail. :P
 
@PauloCereda Try with \footnotemark and \footnotetext, usually it works. :)
 
@egreg Ah. :P
 
@PauloCereda And always recall the famous recommendation: "Don't use footnotes in your books, Don" (Jill Knuth, 1962; The TeXbook, end of chapter 15).
 
@egreg Wow! Page 125! The only way I can remember those citations is by some sort of divine intervention (perhaps Si quaeris). :P
 
5:50 PM
@PauloCereda grep -C 3 JILL texbook.tex
 
@egreg Oh. :P That's cheating! :)
 
@PauloCereda it's not cheating if you use the latex3 regex implementation of grep
 
@PauloCereda One has to remember that Jill Knuth said that. Just like for the exercise on the powers of 10 the key is to look for "Derek, Bo".
 
@egreg Ah the movie. :)
@DavidCarlisle That is epic. :)
 
6:11 PM
I am trying to type șț in a Romanian LaTeX document. I never used Romanian in LaTeX before. It seems not to accept these. It says the document doesn't start with \begin{document}. What can I do?
I have \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} and I do use utf-8
őúű work just fine
ăîâ also work
but șț don't
mayeb because they're "new" glyphs ... but that's what this bloody keyboard types ...
T-comma () is a letter which is part of the Romanian alphabet, used to represent the Romanian language sound , the voiceless alveolar affricate (like ts in bolts). It is written as the letter T with a small comma below and it has both the lower-case (U+021B) and the upper-case variants (U+021A). It is also a part of the Gagauz alphabet and the Livonian alphabet. The letter was proposed in the Buda Lexicon, a book published in 1825, which included two texts by Petru Maior, Orthographia romana sive Latino-valachica una cum clavi and Dialogu pentru inceputul linbei române, introducing ș for...
 
@Szabolcs Look at this answer
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A: How to use Unicode characters with Sphinx rst documents and properly generate PDF files?

egregI don't know about Sphinx, but the problem seems to be in the fact that the option utf8 to inputenc doesn't know about the comma below used in Romanian. You can solve the problem by using the utf8x option or adding to the preamble for LaTeX compilation the following incantation \makeatletter \P...

 
@egreg Excellent! You're always so helpful :-) Now all I need to figure out is how to get Vim to let me type those chars ... or just use another editor as it's less effort
(Vim only enters question marks for these two---all others are fine)
 
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Q: How can I change a file's encoding with vim?

skiphoppyI'm used to using vim to modify a file's line endings: $ file file file: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators $ vim file :set ff=mac :wq $ file file file: ASCII text, with CR line terminators Is it possible to use a similar process to change a file's unicode encoding? I'm trying the followi...

 
it's not encoding trouble --- egreg had the right fix for this
 
Sorry, I didn't understand.
 
6:26 PM
@GonzaloMedina The quotation footnote saga finally seems to be over. I guess I shamed the OP into accepting my answer.
 
@Szabolcs It's a keyboard problem: with the US Extended keyboard setup on the Mac I get them with Alt-p+letter: șȘțȚ
 
@AlanMunn I thought it was strange when the OP wrote "his own" answer and accepted it.
 
@GonzaloMedina Yes. Especially since the idea of accepting an answer is supposed to be the one that helped you the most rather than the one that read your mind and did exactly what your changing requirements demanded. Assuming he still needs the changed font in the quote environment, his simplest solution won't work anyway.
Assuming he still wants to change the font in quotes, his super simple solution won't work anyway, since the footnotes will come out in the wrong font.
I like answering these kinds of questions, though, because I always learn something, either from my own attempts or by others' answers.
 
@AlanMunn and they will still be indented, when his sample document showed then with no indentation.
 
@GonzaloMedina Right, that too.
 
6:34 PM
@AlanMunn me too.
 
6:51 PM
Hm cappuccino! :)
 
7:34 PM
Hey guys, have somebody any free time to help me out with declaring shapes of these symbols ?
 
8:12 PM
@Berso I have just commented in your question, basically what you are asking is an awful lot...
 
8:40 PM
@PeterGrill: I hope the answer isn't too long for such a short question ;-)
 
9:26 PM
@PauloCereda Any news about calling texdoc via PHP? I thought it could be just few code lines, at least if it's unsafe ;-)
 
@StefanKottwitz I have some preliminar code, but it's quite challenging: (1) depending on the PHP configuration in your server, system calls might be (1a) prohibited, (1b) limited by a very short timeout. (2) the Apache user might not have the proper rights to access texdoc. (3) local script settings might not override default settings. (4) increasing the timeout for texdoc IMHO is quite risky because it might cause a severe overhead of resources and open flaws for possible DoS attacks. :(
and (5) why do I feel the server runs Ubuntu? :P (sorry, I couldn't resist)
 
@PauloCereda PHP and Apache configuration and user rights could be adjusted. The server runs Debian.
 
@StefanKottwitz :) I'm quite reticent to change some server settings. I'll make more tests tomorrow, can I contact you by email?
 
Would be great! stefan@somesite may do ;-.)
 
@StefanKottwitz Roger, sir!
 
9:42 PM
Just if you have time and interest! There are online TeX compilers, but this could be the first online TeX documentation associator ;-)
And that's often more important than compiling a snippet
quick doc links for TeX sites
And if I have to setup a dedicated server, who possibly could get DDOSed or hacked, but doesn't server another purpose, I'd do
 
@StefanKottwitz Sure! :) I have some stuff to finish this week, but I'll work on this project. :)
 
@PauloCereda Priority below your stuff of course, don't hurry. Even if I ask about news ;-)
 
@StefanKottwitz hehe :P
 
9:58 PM
Typographic pearls, nice fonts, some math and insights, though German - Howto German Gangster Rapper:
 
@StefanKottwitz What I could get from the video: a bloody mixer, YOOOOO, some equations, two dogs being naughty and Mother Teresa. :P
I must learn German. :(
 
10:15 PM
@PauloCereda Then you could read Herbert's 7 (or more?) LaTeX books
 
@StefanKottwitz Indeed! :) I thought, "at least I can see some figures!"
 
I made a good deal at the DANTE meeting
Got a >1000p Herbert book for my 300p book
Now I can extensively learn PStricks
 
Anybody with Windoze who can shed some light on this?
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Q: LuaTeX stumbles over special characters in path names, is this a bug?

AlexanderI looked briefly at the LuaTeX documenation but could not find any information whether LuaTeX has a problem with special characters in path names. Is this a known bug? My minimal example looks like this: \documentclass[a4paper,12pt]{article} \usepackage{graphicx} \begin{document} test test te...

 
@egreg Let me try. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel Your answer was great. I had some difficulty understanding the linked question, but you cleared things up. Thanks.
 
10:30 PM
C:\paulo\sources\UmlautÄ>lualatex teste.tex
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.70.1-2011082320 (rev 4277)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
(./teste.tex
LaTeX2e <2011/06/27>
LuaTeX adaptation of babel <v3.8l-luatex-1.4> and hyphenation patterns for engl
ish, dumylang, nohyphenation, loaded.
...
Output written on teste.pdf (2 pages, 19571 bytes).
@egreg: The OP code works for me.
Hm the OP uses MiKTeX. I never got some stuff to work with it.
 
@PauloCereda I can't understand why the error message shows those two characters; what strange code page can it be where 0xC3 is and 0x9C is ä?
 
@egreg Hm let me try another thing.
I'm trying to break my system, but I failed. How did I manage to crash both CTAN and TUG? :P
 
 
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11:49 PM
I received this image:
And added this part:
user image
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/evil
 

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