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12:35 AM
Friends, I have a question about using .sty files. Can someone of you shed light on this?
 
12:51 AM
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Q: A0 poster error code

LabaïrI submit to the wisdom of forumers this request. I'm very disturbed by this error code: ! LaTeX Error: Option clash for package color. See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation. Type H <return> for immediate help. ... ...

 
@lockstep Can you help me with a solution to a TeX problem?
 
1:23 AM
@KannappanSampath If it's an easy one ... :-)
 
It's should be easy, I guess. Thank you for coming. : )
The question is: I have installed several packages. But I cannot use any of them in a document I am writing using TeXmaker. Where should I look to fix the error.
 
1:44 AM
@KannappanSampath If you installed them "manually" by copying .sty files to your local TeX tree, you must also update your file data base. The details depend on your TeX distribution (TeX Live, MiKTeX, ....).
 
I use MikTeX and its package manager for installing. : (
 
So you can't use some packages (the ones you added), but you can use other packages?
 
No, I installed new packages only today for the first time. The already existing ones work, but new ones don't.
 
@KannappanSampath Sorry, right now I have no idea. :-( You should ask a question at the main site and wait for some MiKTeX experts.
 
@lockstep Ok. Thank you for your help. :-)
 
2:33 AM
@KannappanSampath You should also try to click the buttons on MikTeX Options (admin) -> Refresh FNDB and Update Formats. Sometimes it helps
 
I did even that for sure.
 
 
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8:08 AM
When there's an outrageous vertical stretch between paragraphs, just before a section header that has been pushed to the next page, is there a way to auto-insert a \clearpage just before the section?
I'm only intersted if there's a simple way, otherwise I'll do it by hand.
 
8:20 AM
@Szabolcs Try \raggedbottom in the preamble if you don't like the vertical justification
 
Thanks @Stefan for showing me this! I like it, I just get too many underfull vboxes (the onehalf linespace is to blame I guess). I think \raggedbottom will be the best.
 
8:49 AM
Can I call @cgnieder into this room? I just wanted to comment on the package modiagram that's been added to tex.stackexchange.com/q/13863/86 in the vein of "this question led to a package". That's fantastic, and what's slightly unusual about it is that cgnieder (the package author) didn't answer the original question, but wrote the package in response to the question.
And I've left a comment on the question to clarify that you (cgnieder) are the author. It's nowhere stated on that page! I went clicking on links to verify that you were the author, and that the package really was inspired by that question. Others might not be so willing to follow links and so not understand the relationship.
 
9:15 AM
Hello. Is it possible force latex to reduce or ignore bounding box ?
 
@Berso bounding box of what?
 
for example \coordinate -- \coordinate [label=center:{#1}]() at (-0.5,0.5). Imagine that you have some picture of rectangle and with label or node situated right of this rectangle. And I want bounding box which include only the rectangle not + that label.
 
@Berso \useasboundingbox
see page 166 of the manual
 
already tried
 
Well, not correctly, apparently....
Maybe you should just ask a question on the site with a minimal working example.
 
9:30 AM
Hm maybe, but to the command as I see it : With this command you can only enlarge it.
 
well, if you would just check the manual, you would learn that is not the case.
you can use the \pgfresetboundingbox command to reset it.
This is all made perfectly clear in the excellent manual, I suggest you read it, page 166.
 
9:43 AM
I'm ashamed, didn't see the .. uh ahaa it's because I have pgfmanual v2.0. Ty! Roelof. It works :)
 
10:10 AM
good :)
 
10:37 AM
We have a software requirements specification:
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Q: underlined links with hyperref possible?

NilHow can I have underlined links with hyperref? That means how to configure hyperref not to change the color of the printout but use underlined active links which are completely transparent in print. The condition for an answer to be qualified would be not to make code changes in a local copy of...

 
@AndreyVihrov Indeed. :)
 
10:49 AM
@PauloCereda Any idea about a safe system call of texdoc? :-)
 
@StefanKottwitz I'll start today, I promise. :) I made some notes, but I couldn't start programming in this weekend. My Linux box refused to work, so I had to fix it. Everything is ok now, so I'm ready to begin. :)
 
don't want to let call texdoc with string "fancyhdr; rm -Rf /" :-D
 
@StefanKottwitz easter egg!
:P
Thankfully PHP has already methods for "escaping" arguments and avoid these tricks.
 
@StefanKottwitz What's wrong with that, I've just tried it and noth[user logged out]
 
@PatrickGundlach LOL!
 
10:54 AM
@PauloCereda that's great :-) perhaps one could additionally extract the first alphabetic part of an argument string, to catch a word without spaces or special chars. Hm, or better not, I guess texdoc understands more complex strings such as hyperref/README
@PatrickGundlach :-D
 
@Patrick: I'd love to hear your DANTE presentation. Do you know if the slides will be available? :)
 
@PauloCereda I have sent them to the organizers an hour ago, so they should be available soon. But they are in German... and not all I've said is on the slides. For the programming with LuaTeX I have explained the solution to
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A: one-letter word at the end of line

Patrick GundlachThis is a LuaLaTeX solution. It is a function that gets called just before TeX breaks the text into lines. It inserts ties ~ (only the penalty of 10000, the glue is already there) after the single letter word. Words will still hyphenate (see example below) - as far as I can see (after the w). [E...

Until they are online, you can download them from
 
@PatrickGundlach Thanks! :)
@Patrick: Awesome keynotes! (I only understood the "mit" word", but thankfully there were pretty images!) :)
I heard about XLS-FO last week, but I didn't have time to check it. I found an Apache project about it: xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop
 
11:11 AM
@PauloCereda well, XSL-FO sucks, and fop sucks even more :) - seriously: if you are in an XML world, you need standardized formatters. But XSL-FO is a) soooo complicated in comparison what it can do and b) it cannot solve "dynamic" problems.
These problems are for example: typeset a text in 10 different languages (on top of each other - different PDF layers) and the images and tables on the page should take the "longest language" into account
or: "does the text and the image fit next to each other on the page?"
And fop is the worst widely used XSL-FO implementation
I have created a system where you can answer these questions
There is no w3c standard that a) has paginated typesetting (HTML for example hasn't) and b) allows you to do arbitrary complex things. This is where my system jumps in (hopefully)
 
Ah I see.
 
I am in contact with the w3c and perhaps one day I can help getting a typesetting standard or at least give some ideas to a working group.
 
Wow, that'd be awesome!
 
@PatrickGundlach The xsl-fo goup has just transformed itself into a "community group" which means it's much easier for people to join and has a much more lightweight process, so it may make sense to try to steer them a bit w3.org/community/ppl
 
@DavidCarlisle That is on my todo list for this week (probably today). Liam Quinn also "urged" me to join
 
11:26 AM
also htm/css has some basic support for pagination w3.org/TR/CSS21/page.html
@PatrickGundlach I wondered about joining, perhaps we should resurrect passivetex! (one of teh first FO typesetters, predates FOP really) but struggled back then to get enough uniocde support to rreally support xml,
 
@DavidCarlisle basic support is the correct term, nothing complicated possible that appear in real world documents. I don't want to say that HTML/css suck (they don't, at all) but paged media is so much more complex than that
@DavidCarlisle Your xmltex is used in a few places that I am aware of. I don't want to put much effort in FO at the moment (I have started my own FO processor three years ago)
(the mentioning of xmltex was not related to passive tex)
 
@PatrickGundlach, yes it depends on your expectations. If you have been printing from a browser rather than with tex since the 1990's then you are just happy to be able to insert a page break manually, the idea of actually implementing typographic rules doesn't occur to you:-(
 
@DavidCarlisle I am mainly interested in (printed) product catalogs
 
@PatrickGundlach xmltex yes it's shocking I thought no one uses it (I don't) but then this year several people have contacted me about it (again last night as it happens and i found that some commercial scientific encyclopedia 9at several thousand pounds a copy) was typeset using it. scary:-)
@PatrickGundlach at a higher level, do you think it's worth having a "better xsl fo" as opposed to just using xslt (or any other language of choice) and writing out a normal TeX document and handling the typesetting requirements there. Currently I just do the latter and so in the end stopped following xsl-fo developments.
 
11:43 AM
@DavidCarlisle I have created a specialized layout language that is a) inspired by HTML (table model), XPath (accessing variables, attributes, elements) and XSLT (data processing) and b) interpreted in the renderer itself (which is TeX in my case, but could be InDesign for example). The reason to do b) is to be able to typeset something on a virtual page and check if it is "too wide" or if another object of any kind also fits on the virtual page and to be able to different things if it fits ...
or if it doesn't fit (dynamic interpretation of the typesetting rules)
 
@PatrickGundlach yes interesting (b) of course is what you most miss using xslfo, but doing as I do and just writing out the top level document as tex and then styling using tex is a hard sell to anyone not already familiar with tex's ways. mabe I'll join the ppl group and we can chat there:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Do so, I have just joined :) I will try to present my ideas on the EuroTeX 2012 this year and on XML Prague next year (well, I try, but I don't know if they let me :-))
 
@PatrickGundlach i joined
 
12:40 PM
Let's make a TeX party! :)
 
@PauloCereda You wouldn't like the ppl group, just looked down their archives, and not a single mention of football. Shocking.
 
@DavidCarlisle What is football?
:)
 
It's some variant of cricket where they use a foot instead of a bat, I think
 
apt-cache search football
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL!
@PatrickGundlach Oh no! Better this be about Debian, not that U distro.
 
12:50 PM
"Dear NTNU Email Owner, We wish to inform you that an HTK4S virus has been detected in your NTNU Email folders ..." Nul points. Or rather, nul poeng. It's not even in Norwegian! (Extra points for spam in nynorsk). I suppose it could have been worse. They could have written 'a HTK4S virus'.
 
 
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1:57 PM
I was thinking of introducing this new voting scheme:
(Original reference here) :)
 
2:15 PM
@PauloCereda Its about Ubuntu, of course (/me being a user of Ubuntu, not Debian)
 
@PatrickGundlach Oh. :) I'm not a fan of Ubuntu, though I respect the distro. :)
 
A friend of mine works for Canonical, so I have to use Ubuntu :)
 
Ah cool! :D
Where is Canonical's headquarter?
 
I believe London, but most of the developers work off-site
 
Ah interesting. :)
I heard that Suse is also one of the top distros in Europe. :)
@Patrick: In other news, I'm trying to read the XSL-FO specification. My brain hurts. :(
 
2:27 PM
@PauloCereda sure it does. I've tried it several times. It is way to complicated for what you can achieve with XSL-FO.
 
@PatrickGundlach Oh. :)
 
It helps if you know CSS (block/inline elements, margins, writing direction,...)
 
My CSS-fu is very basic. I only know a few rules.
@Patrick: Is it ok for you to be our next interviewee? :)
 
@PauloCereda I'd be honored
 
@PauloCereda I got a long way for many year answering xsl-fo questions on xsl-list by just assuming it was tex. (the whole mark thing helps if you know tex) For the rest it's just like using tex with both hands tied behind your back, no macro definition, no measuring of boxes, no \special, but otherwise just the same....
 
2:34 PM
@PatrickGundlach Awesome! What's the best day/time for you? (so we can invite everybody to join in) :)
@DavidCarlisle Oh that doesn't sound easy at all. :)
 
For example this time of day (its 3:30 p.m. here) plus 6 hours. I am at UTC +1:00
by 'plus 6hours' I mean "between 3:30 pm and 3:30pm + 6:00"
But it would be OK for me to do that "now minus 6 hours".
 
Ah it's great!
Can we ask about Lua? :P
 
Yay! :)
And the world domination plan! :)
 
Of course: world domination is built into LuaTeX.
 
2:47 PM
require('world_domination_plan')? :-|
 
you don't need require for that basic task ;)
 
LOL!
 
Do I need to get shaved for the interview? :)
 
Don't worry. :) Unless it's the "official" TUG interview. I think Dave also asks for a photo of the interviewee. :)
 
2:59 PM
@PauloCereda Yes, but Ulirke got away with a sketch :-)
 
@PauloCereda The day is up to you.
 
@PatrickGundlach Could it be tomorrow? :)
 
I have a phone meeting tomorrow at this time minus 6 hours, but anything else would be fine with me.
 
Hm how about later today?
 
3:13 PM
also OK
 
Epic interview. :)
 
I'll go home now and I'll be back in about half an hour. Then I have the rest of the evening time (+5hours)
 
@PatrickGundlach Just call us. :)
 
Thanks again! :)
Friends: we will interview Patrick today, so get your questions! :)
 
3:22 PM
@PauloCereda Right, will do (I'm on my laptop this afternoon, writing a talk)
 
@JosephWright Yay! :) Mac?
 
@PauloCereda Yes, today I have my own PC at work
 
@JosephWright Cool. :) (oops wrong emoticon)
 
@PauloCereda "cereda started following amunn a month ago" Creepy. :-)
 
@AlanMunn haha watch your step! :D
It sounds like a religion. :)
 
3:35 PM
@PauloCereda Just what I need. More disciples. I already have my grad students.
 
@AlanMunn It could be worse: I could have a Facebook account. :P
I follow Joseph, Alan, Seamus, Patrick, Khaled, Aditya and Will. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm flattered, although I suspect that my packages are of little interest, and the only one that's likely to be updated regularly is the thesis class. (Although I do have some pending changes to csv2latex that I haven't had time to deal with.)
 
3:52 PM
hi -- are there any folks here who play with OCG hyperref links? I posted an answer about them a few days ago that didn't see much attention, and I'm curious if any experts here are interested or could help me improve it...
 
@AlanMunn It might sound cliché, but I really like the concept of social coding. :) It's very nice to see updates from people we know and respect. :) I think we learn from both the code and the person.
 
@BenLerner Those are pretty hard work: could you link to the question?
 
@PauloCereda I also like the social coding idea, and sites like GitHub and BitBucket definitely make participating (and learning) much more accessible.
 
@BenLerner Looks reasonable to me, from my limited knowledge of these things. (For my sins, I have a feeling I will end up writing the driver support for LaTeX3 for hyperlinks!)
@AlanMunn Totally agree: that's why we have the GitHub mirror for LaTeX3
Have people been following the discussion on the TeXworks list about future developments? I've added something to my blog about the roadmap that has appeared.
 
4:02 PM
@JosephWright, lucky you! :-) I'm mostly curious about three things: 1) how to fix the caveat I mentioned about setting the initial clipping path properly, 2) whether there are other PDF commands that \url could output that my code doesn't handle, and 3) whether the code is of interest to the hyperref maintainers. but as you say, if for your sins you get to handle the LaTeX3 hyperlink support, I guess I've gotten the attention of the right people :)
 
@BenLerner I've been trying to get hold of Heiko Oberdiek myself for something hyperref-related, and have not succeeded at the moment. I suspect he's very busy.
@BenLerner Probably the only way to deal with empty text would be to set things up with an explicit 'if blank' test before any PDF specials kick in
 
@PauloCereda Ping! I am home now and will be here for the next few hours
 
@JosephWright I was afraid of that -- I was trying to avoid patching \url itself since I wanted to avoid potentially breaking any of its macro and catcode munging.
 
But it looks as if my internet connection is on and off
 
@JosephWright okeydoke; I'd emailed him in August, and then both him and Sebastian Rahtz a month ago, and hadn't heard back either time. Since the email wasn't a bug-report, per se, I thought it might've gotten lost in the cracks.
 
4:22 PM
@BenLerner Sebaatian has not been active in TeX development for some years, as far as I know. (He's a life member of UK-TUG, so I do know that he is about)
 
@PatrickGundlach Cool!
 
@JosephWright, good to know. His name was on the hyperref manual, so I figured it couldn't hurt.
 
Friends, interview with @PatrickGundlach about to start!

 TeXtalk - Interviews

Interviews for our community blog.
 
4:39 PM
if tex.stackexchange.com/questions/47750/… doesn't involve tabularx or longtable am i supposed to remove those tags, or ask the original poster to do so, or neither?
 
@DavidCarlisle I removed them
 
@egreg, ahhh and I was just looking forward to excercing power:-) but didn't dare without asking:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I was about to answer, when I saw you already did; the question is quite strange: the whole tabular is very wide and won't fit any page width.
 
@egreg, yes I wondered about that.....
 
4:56 PM
@egreg: Rainer announced checkcites on c.t.t! :D
 
@PauloCereda A few days for TeX Live!
 
@egreg I'm happy! :)
 
5:36 PM
@lockstep Yesterday Mojca Miklavec was asking how many people use \usepackage[austrian]{babel} (or naustrian). Maybe you can add a comment.
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A: lualatex error with Brazilian Portuguese babel option

Mojca MiklavecA quick workaround is to locate language.dat.lua on your computer (watch out, there might be two of them, you need the one in TEXMFVAR if you are using TeX Live; mine is at /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-var/tex/generic/config/language.dat.lua) and change the synonyms for portuguese to synonyms =...

 
 
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7:12 PM
Rep: 33133. Another palindrome FTW.
 
@AlanMunn Yay!
As you disciple, I should tell the whole known world via Twitter.
 
Whats up you beautiful beautiful people?!
Quick question. What's your quickest/preferred way of typesetting chemical formulas into a line?
I don't like the way it looks if I typeset manually using '-' and '\equiv' for bonds
 
7:30 PM
@LordStryker Package mhchem
 
Cool. Yeah I've used that before but I didn't know if there was a way to do simple chemical formulas without importing another package
But this will work nicely.
 
Any BibDesk power users here?
 
7:54 PM
I used it once. :(
 
@PauloCereda I use it all the time, but now I want to do something fancy.
 
@AlanMunn Tell us! :)
OMG, Wednesday is Pi Day.
 
@PauloCereda a good day for a round cake - pi pie
 
@StefanKottwitz Yay! I'm with a cake.
 
@PauloCereda I'm having a hard time even formulating the question. I want to access citation indexes from within BibDesk, but I don't know what to ask my library about how that access works. I can access things through the web without problems, but I don't have a clue about how to do it within BibDesk, or even if it's possible at my university. And they only know EndNote, so unless I ask the right questions, they're just going to say "We don't support BibDesk".
 
8:02 PM
@AlanMunn Hm I'm downloading it right now. Hold on.
 
@AlanMunn I'll take a look too
@AlanMunn Which indexes are you after?
 
@StefanKottwitz Everyday is a good day for a round cake :P
 
@JosephWright I don't think you should waste time on this. It's going to depend a lot on the specific access. Adam Maxwell (author of BibDesk) just responded on the mailing list with a rather depressing previous question about it: mail-archive.com/bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net/…
This is exactly the question, (since my uni uses ezproxy too) but I don't think there's an answer to it.
 
@AlanMunn Are you trying on campus or off, and do you have VPN access?
 
I will make that work.
 
8:06 PM
@JosephWright I do have VPN access when I need it, but since our access isn't IP based, that doesn't seem to help, AFAICT.
 
@AlanMunn Ah, drat
 
@JosephWright Yes, I think that's how many places do it, and why a lot of users don't have any problems. But also I'm a bit in the dark as to how this all works from within BibDesk, and so I'm not even sure what questions to ask. As the message thread I linked to says, EndNote can do this.
 
@AlanMunn Yes, it's not obvious how the settings actually work, is it?
 
@JosephWright Right, that I think is my big problem. And the Web of Science in particular seems to have absolutely no settings that you can set.
 
@AlanMunn Yes: I can't work out how to set the server. As I'm in the UK, I'd need to use the one we have at Manchester (MIMAS) and not ISI's own server, for example.
 
8:13 PM
Do persistent links in WoS work?
Maybe the connection is IP-range based.
 
@JosephWright It might be that we don't run our own server at all, but I don't even know that.
@PauloCereda Yes, that's how I think it works in BibDesk, but since my access isn't IP range based, I'm out of luck, I think.
@PauloCereda I have no idea what a "persistent link" is.
 
@AlanMunn I think that in the US everything goes to ISI's own server. Years ago, we used to have a telnet-based service in the UK for Web of (Science|Knowledge), but that got canned partly because ISI were being awkward about having a 'consistent' experience.
 
@AlanMunn My bad. :) Persistent links are links that remain consistent and don't change. I thought they would work, but I was wrong.
 
@FrankMittelbach: @FrankMittelbach: I have been thought only the environments of the type align don't use the skips \abovedisplayshortskip and \belowdisplayshortskip.
 
8:31 PM
@egreg I use ngerman. IRRC, the only "feature" of naustrian is that January is called "Jänner" instead of "Januar".
 
9:04 PM
From now on, I'll try to draw "tematic" TeXtalk logos. :)
 
9:29 PM
@JosephWright: Now we have a chemist lion. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@JosephWright This means that we have a candidate for the next interview.
 
@egreg I've already done one for TUGBoat
 
9:44 PM
@JosephWright But I already did the drawing. :)
 
@PauloCereda It is of course up to you, as our Interrviewer
 
Talking about the blog: why its link appears on the top bar only when there's a new article?
 
I'd forgotten how handy the coffins module is: it's great for placing stuff in beamer slides :-)
@egreg Powers That Be are in charge of that
 
@PauloCereda Newcastle?
 
9:52 PM
@JosephWright Juve. :)
 
@PauloCereda Great interview today, BTW
 
@JosephWright Indeed! I'll need help to organize it, though. Too much information. :)
 
@PauloCereda Take your time: there was a lot you are quite right
 
It ws very intense. :)
 
Thanks also to @PatrickGundlach of course!
 
9:55 PM
Yay @PatrickGundlach! I owe you a beer. :)
@egreg: new TeXtalk logo. :P
 
@PauloCereda I look forward to reading it
 
@StefanKottwitz Same here
@StefanKottwitz Nice blog about DANTE: I did not realise the meetings were so big
 
@JosephWright Indeed! :) Great keynotes with challenging topics.
 
@JosephWright The striped black and white shirt of Juventus actually derives from that of Notts County. They used to have pink shirts, but decided to change them and an English member of the Club had a friend in Nottingham.
 
@egreg Ah right :-)
 
10:15 PM
@egreg Speaking of pink shirts, one day I was watching a soccer game and the narrator said that Palermo' original shirt color was red. Then, during the washing process, the red color faded to pink. The players decided to play with those shirts and Palermo adopted as the official uniform.
In the past, of course. :)
 
10:26 PM
@PauloCereda It may be, but their colors are pink and black: rosanero. So that might be only a legend.
 
@egreg Ah true. :)
 

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