TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2012-12-30 (page 1 of 2)

Speravir

00:02

@Speravir Yet noticed several times by other users. Alas, the old avatars are not saved. Cf. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4308077#4308077 and chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4396623#4396623 and chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5239088#5239088

Do you still know his chinese variant of “garbage collector”?

Torbjørn T.

Oct 18 at 14:58, by Jasper Loy

@ガベージコレクタ I still recognize you even though you changed your name Garbage Collector!

Speravir

@TorbjørnT. Ha, nice catch!

Torbjørn T.

@Speravir Just searched the chat for garbage, it was quite high in the list of results.

Speravir

@TorbjørnT. Oh, this I didn’t try! Searching only for the older nicks.

user19161

04:09

@Speravir That is not Chinese but Japanese man!

Speravir

@JasperLoy Oops, sorry! And thanks, Jasper or what ever else ;-), for the hint!

user19161

@Speravir Anyway, can you actually distinguish between Chinese and Japanese characters?

Speravir

@JasperLoy Nope!

user19161

Many of them are very similar, but if the passage is long enough, one can tell the difference.

user19161

But Korean is more different, so that one should be easier.

Speravir

04:16

@JasperLoy I’m not familiar with these, but I remember, I’ve seen some texts, where I guessed right.

Bye for now.

codebeard

04:46

@DavidCarlisle correct, that is me. We were hoping to have finished the first version by October but I had some health problems.

@JasperLoy actually, Japanese and Chinese share a section of the unicode plane, so individual characters cannot always be distinguished. The main difference is that Japanese uses another set of characters for its grammar, Hiragana, which are easily identified by being only a few strokes with a lot of curvature. Those characters are used to “glue” words together in Japanese sentences

@Speravir oops, that msg was for you I think

Stephan Lehmke

05:07

@Speravir When I don't know a word, I always look it up at dict.cc/?s=revamp

Stephan Lehmke

06:57

Is there any clear sign a macro expansion text in a log file has ended?

\size@update ->\baselineskip \f@baselineskip \relax \baselineskip \f@linespread
\baselineskip \normalbaselineskip \baselineskip \setbox \strutbox \hbox {\vrul
e \@height .7\baselineskip \@depth .3\baselineskip \@width \z@ }\let \size@upda
te \relax
{\baselineskip}

In the above example, I'd like to read the text from \size@update -> until \relax.

Also, will TeX ever output more than two lines in a situation like this?

{into \box23=
\vbox(548.5+0.0)x390.0, glue set 505.11273fil []}

\showboxxy doesn't seem to influence it.

user19161

07:34

@StephanLehmke Your photo is one of the most handsome ones on TeX, Stephan!

user19161

@Speravir Nah, such things should not be done for user privacy. Anyway, I think it is a she and not a he, but that is just a guess.

Werner

!!/ texdef \@chapter

user19161

@Werner This problem is SE wide. People write part of the question in the title and part in the body. But actually, the body should be self contained and the title a concise yet descriptive summary of it.

Joseph Wright

10:45

3

Q: I can’t see the Greek characters using ADOBE reader

Your help will be appreciated for the following problem: I have a tool which converts IBM I (AS400) spool file to PDF. The file has been copied to Windows environment. On generated PDF I can’t see the Greek characters using ADOBE reader v10.1.4. If I use Notepad to display the file, I can see...

pdf

Off topic?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright 'fraid so.

Joseph Wright

0

Q: how to include latex preview

I have seen that some users include a preview of how the latex code will be rendered. Are they just including a picture they have compiled and uploaded, or is there a way to do this automatically on this site?

discussion

Must have come up several times: anyone find the definitive question?

Torbjørn T.

11:07

@JosephWright Perhaps meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2136/… or meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2781/…

Paulo Cereda

12:12

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Q: XeLaTeX - terminal output too verbose

Is it possible to reduce the amount of information you get from running: xelatex texfile.tex The oh so long output: This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-0.9998 (TeX Live 2012/Debian) restricted \write18 enabled. entering extended mode (/home/petr/Dropbox/School/R/3/document.tex LaTeX2e <2...

xetex ubuntu latexmk

Terminal output redirection?

mhelvens

12:28

Hi all! Quick question: is there a test I can perform to know whether or not I'm inside a superscript? Or is 'superscript' not a special 'mode' in TeX?

Perhaps I can test for current font size...

But can I make something like that robust? Perhaps some people just like a smaller font.

Joseph Wright

@mhelvens You need \mathchoice :-(

@mhelvens This came up recently on the main site, I think

mhelvens

@JosephWright As a matter of fact, I just found it. :-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/87939/…

Why a frownie face? It's a less than ideal solution?

Joseph Wright

@mhelvens Start using \mathchoice and you'll see

mhelvens

I will. Thanks.

Hm... Four explicit math modes. TeX is too complex. (It rhymes so it must be true.)

Torbjørn T.

@mhelvens It doesn't actually rhyme, I'm afraid: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/17502/…

mhelvens

12:39

@TorbjørnT. Yeah, I knew it as soon as I said it. It's like "loch", right?

:-)

Torbjørn T.

@mhelvens Yep.

Paulo Cereda

Roses are red.
My name is Dave.
This poem makes no sense.
Microwave.

6

mhelvens

:-D

Purple Monkey Dishwasher

Paulo Cereda

:)

mhelvens

Did you steal yours? I stole mine, but I can't for the life of me remember where from.

Paulo Cereda

12:45

@mhelvens That poem was from a tattoo, I guess. :)

mhelvens

Well, it's beautiful.

Look at this beauty:
\let\asterisk*
\mathlig{*}{{\mathchoice{\times}{\times}{\asterisk}{\asterisk}}}

I bet @JosephWright never would have helped me with \mathchoice if he knew I would abuse it like this. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

14:34

@egreg: mom is preparing tortellini for tomorrow's night. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Good job!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I'll try to take a picture. :)

But it won't be al sugo. :)

Paulo Cereda

14:47

@egreg: actually, it will be al sugo, but not al brodo. :)

Gigili

15:22

Hello people!

I downloaded and installed "TeX Live" and "TeXStudio".

But in TL's folder, I can't find an executable file to run or install.

Any ideas?

@PauloCereda But ... Your name is not Dave!

Paulo Cereda

@Gigili Poetry.

Gigili

@PauloCereda Wrong/irrelevant information!

Paulo Cereda

@Gigili Hm?

egreg

@Gigili What operating system?

user19161

16:12

@PauloCereda Your mum is always making pasta!

egreg

@PauloCereda Our "tortellini" team has prepared 1400 of them before Christmas; at an average of 30 per person (which fill a big cup), it makes for more than 45 portions. :)

Joseph Wright

@Gigili You don't get one executable, you get several of them, in a directory which is named depending on the OS you use

@Gigili For example, on my Mac the binaries are inside /usr/local/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-darwin

Gigili

16:40

@PauloCereda Never mind.

@egreg Windows 7.

@JosephWright You mean in that .zip folder? "install-tl.zip"

Or I am doing something wrong?

Joseph Wright

@Gigili No, that's the installer

Gigili

I followed the instruction in a blog which was recommended here on main.

Joseph Wright

@Gigili Inside the .zip is a batch file for Windows installation

@Gigili You need to unzip the .zip, then run the file install-tl.bat

Gigili

@JosephWright Great, let me do that. Thanks, you're very helpful and you always answer my questions.

egreg

@Gigili Oh, that's a problem; I only use real operating systems. ;-) The path for the binaries is %SystemDrive%\texlive\2012\bin\win32

user19161

16:46

@Gigili Yes, I am very unhelpful because I always fail to give you the answers you need.

egreg

@Gigili But you must have installed TeX Live

user19161

@JosephWright Though she said above that she installed it already.

Gigili

@egreg I thought Windows was a real OS.

@egreg I have, or at least I think I have.

Joseph Wright

@Gigili Long-running 'joke'

Gigili

@JasperLoy When someone is really helpful, that doesn't mean other people are the opposite!

user19161

16:48

Real men use paper and pencil, not computers.

Gigili

@JosephWright I thought Germans didn't like jokes!

user19161

@Gigili Happy New Year! I hope you find your Mario soon!

Gigili

@JasperLoy Thanks, to you too.

user19161

@PauloCereda What a lovely poem!

David Carlisle

@Gigili @egreg hasn't got on to such modern OS yet, he still uses a PDP10

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Gigili

16:57

OK, there is no "install-tl.bat" whatsoever in that folder.

@DavidCarlisle I should have guessed!

user19161

@Gigili OK, let me try to help you. You have not installed it but merely downloaded the folder for installation right?

Joseph Wright

@Gigili You got the ZIP from tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html?

Peter Grill

@JosephWright: I think you were missing two \def in tex.stackexchange.com/questions/88598/…. I edited it but since I don't use plain TeX \def often, please review in case there was a reason for not including them.

Joseph Wright

@PeterGrill Well spotted: was all of course tested only in my mind

Gigili

@JasperLoy Right.

@JosephWright Yes.

Joseph Wright

17:01

@Gigili Let me check the current version is not broken: 2 mins!

Peter Grill

@JosephWright Thanks for checking. Was going to ask you to change them, but it was difficult to describe which lines so thought just changing them was easier..

Gigili

@DavidCarlisle He'll most likely set a new Guinness world record. (using the oldest OS for over seven 9000 years)

@JosephWright Thanks a lot.

user19161

@Gigili Obviously you need to unzip it first, in case you have not.

Torbjørn T.

@Gigili Just downloaded the zip from TUG, install-tl.bat is there.

Gigili

@JasperLoy I don't need to but I did a few minutes ago when @Joseph told me so.

Joseph Wright

17:02

@TorbjørnT. @Gigili Same here, from my local mirror

Gigili

@TorbjørnT. This one: " install-tl.zip for Windows (24mb)"?

Torbjørn T.

@Gigili Yep, that one.

Joseph Wright

@Gigili Could be a dodgy file from an out-of-date mirror, I guess

Gigili

Umm, OK. I will download it again.

Thank you.

Joseph Wright

@Gigili Could you screenshot what you have in the unzipped folder, so we can see what you do have?

Gigili

17:03

Sure, wait a minute please.

Joseph Wright

@Gigili Batch file is there

Torbjørn T.

@Gigili Its the one called install-tl, that is a "Windows batch file"

Joseph Wright

@Gigili Second entry called install-tl, with the cog-like icon

user19161

@Gigili Look under type and you see Windows Batch File! You might want to use install-tl-advanced.

Gigili

What? Which one?

user19161

17:06

@Gigili The ones that have blue.

Gigili

I did click on that one and it opened cmd then nothing happened

user19161

@Gigili Only cmd and nothing else?

Joseph Wright

@Gigili Do you get any text in the Command window?

Torbjørn T.

@Gigili You've hidden the file extensions, so the .tl-part is not show. If you would like to show them, there is a checkbox in the folder settings. See windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/…

Gigili

And an error afterwards saying "Perl.exe has stopped working"

Joseph Wright

17:08

@Gigili Ah, that one

user19161

Ah, it requires perl!

Joseph Wright

@Gigili As suggested, try the install-tl-advanced version

@JasperLoy On Windows, the installer comes with a minimal Perl set up

Gigili

@TorbjørnT. Great, thank you.

Joseph Wright

@Gigili This is a known issue, which no-one really understands!

Gigili

@JosephWright Yes, sorry. I will try the other one now.

Joseph Wright

17:10

@Gigili Not a problem: there is a known issue that sometimes the 'standard' installer fails, but it's not clear why

user19161

I have not touched Windows for 9000 years, so all this is just from memory.

Joseph Wright

@JasperLoy Ah well, luckily I have :-)

user19161

@JosephWright You use everything I remember!

user19161

@JosephWright Why did you change to the duck? I miss seeing you!

Joseph Wright

@JasperLoy Things do change a little over time

@JasperLoy There were some less-than-positive comments about my previous picture from people at work: Which picture is best? The one where you are furthest from the camera!

user19161

17:13

@JosephWright They are just jealous!

Joseph Wright

@JasperLoy Perhaps

@JasperLoy The duck is quite fun :-)

user19161

@Gigili Is the installation running now?

Gigili

It is.

user19161

Best to install everything.

Gigili

OK, thanks.

David Carlisle

17:44

@TorbjørnT. suggesting that the answer is to read the manual, it'll never catch on:-)

Torbjørn T.

@DavidCarlisle No, I guess not. (Good for me though, I've gotten a lot of points from quoting manuals.)

Gigili

Pah, this will take a decade to install.

Thank you @JosephWright, @egreg, @TorbjørnT. and @JasperLoy for your time.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Soon Mountain Lion. :)

!!/help

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good afternoon! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!

Great, the bot is back. :)

@tohecz: Hi Tom! :)

Joseph Wright

18:14

@Gigili No problem

@PauloCereda I have to say I've seen very little difference in the Snow Leopard -> Lion -> Mountain Lion sequence

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I've used Leopard in the beginning, and Snow Leopard had some good additions. When I finally got my ML, I must say I was impressed, the OS is more polished. Maybe because I use gestures a lot. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda The one I use the most is the "why the hell is my cursor moving the wrong way" gesture. !@#$%

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn :-)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn :) It never happened to me. :)

@Alan: I have a trackpad in the left, my keyboard in the center and my mouse in the right side. Gestures are performed with the left hand, while cursor stuff is done with the mouse in my right hand. :)

By the way, do you guys use Apple Mail?

I'm more familiar with Thunderbird.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Same here

Alan Munn

18:24

@PauloCereda I never use a mouse, since I'm almost always working on my laptop.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Have tried it for about 2 minutes each time I've updated the OS, then thought 'no, TB is much better'

tohecz

@PauloCereda 'ello!

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn You'd love vim. <3

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda I use Apple mail for wont of a better alternative. I used Eudora until it finally stopped working when Rosetta disappeared.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I've just got a trackpad to back up my laptop

tohecz

18:25

How're you, @Paulo ?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I'm giving it a try, it's not that bad, but there's an airplane WOOOOOOSH sound that scares the living hell outta me.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Work uses Exchange, so I also need to have DavMail running, but that's OK (works nicely)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Ah. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda As a former emacs user vim is against my religion.

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Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Fine, thanks. And you? :)

@AlanMunn boo!

Joseph Wright

18:26

@PauloCereda No way to switch between plain text and HTML on-the-fly: killer for me

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Exactly. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda I'm okay, my cousin --- IT technician --- has cleaned my notebook fan, so I'm more than happy now ;)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: One cool thing is that Mail is integrated in the notification center. :)

Alan Munn

@JosephWright There's a simple solution. No HTML mail. :)

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Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Tell that to Apple Mail. :)

Joseph Wright

18:27

@PauloCereda I'm still not really seeing the point of the notification business, and with the business at Mozilla don't see TB getting integration

@AlanMunn Doesn't help at work

tohecz

@PauloCereda Apple? no way :p

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I like it. :)

@JosephWright, @AlanMunn: I think gestures make more sense on a desktop, not on a laptop. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I see

@PauloCereda The only desktops I use regularly are at work

0

Q: Finding your own questions with unaccepted answers

I can't find an easy way to review all the questions which I have asked which a) have at least one answer and which b) I have not accepted an answer for.

support

Does user:me hasaccepted:1 work for non-mods?

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda I have mine set to use plain text only.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Yes, quite doable but the problem is when an e-mail comes in that can't be read in plain text mode. I get a few of those at work.

Paulo Cereda

18:38

@AlanMunn Let me see my conf.

Alan Munn

@JosephWright I don't seem to have that problem. There's a setting to match the mime type when replying automatically.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn The issue is usually when I get a mail with an HTML table in it. These end up unreadable in plain text, so I have to check in HTML mode to know what goes with what.

Also, I want something cross-platform so I have more-or-less the same setup at work as at home

Alan Munn

The main thing I don't like about Apple mail is the search function, and the fact that you can't easily move from a message in the search results to that same message in the context of its thread. Nothing could beat Eudora's search.

Torbjørn T.

@JosephWright Works for me.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Never really used Eudora: before TB I used Pine, and before that Pegasus

@TorbjørnT. Cool: I'll post an answer, then

Paulo Cereda

18:44

@AlanMunn: ^

Alan Munn

Right, that's what I have too.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn, @PauloCereda Perhaps I should take another look, then: you two seem very keen :-)

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Not having used TB, I can't comment. I'm using Apple mail because it's free and will continue to be updated, and I haven't seen a better alternative. Not really my definition of 'keen' :)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Altough it's a nice app, I'm more inclined to TB. But since I'm now 100% Apple-powered, I'm going with Mail. :)

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Yes, the situation with Thunderbird is a bit worrying at the moment

@AlanMunn On the Mac, I don't need quite as many of the features of TB as I do on Windows (where I need Lightening, etc.)

Alan Munn

18:48

@JosephWright Also, I've been becoming increasingly unhappy with Firefox (although not yet enough to switch) and TB is related in some way, I think?

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Same rendering engine (back end): ultimately, TB is the mail code from Netscape, while FB is the browser code

Alan Munn

@JosephWright Fortunately I can avoid Windows entirely.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn I'm not keen on the new-version-every-few-months business, I have to say

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn FF and TB have different dev teams, but they share a lot of code (including version numbers).

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Both need the same core components

Paulo Cereda

18:50

@AlanMunn Although I think FF lost a lot of its flame, I still prefer it instead of Safari or (brrrrrr) Chrome.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Well, TB soon won't have a dev team

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright No?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/…

Alan Munn

FF seems to be suffering from major feature bloat. The past couple of versions have been really slow. And I suspect there's a persistent memory leak. But I agree it's still superior to Safari and Big Brother ^H^H^H^H Chrome.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn The memory leak business has been around for ever

Paulo Cereda

18:53

@AlanMunn Trivia (and possibily a delicious treat for linguistics): you know how we call that "desease" in software development? :)

Joseph Wright

(I have 'canconfirm' on the Mozilla bug database, so do watch some of these things)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Featuritis?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn OMG!

@AlanMunn: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep

Personally, I prefer creeping featurism. :)

Never bet with a linguist. :)

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright I'm worried by the state of TB, too. I've even gone as far as installing Postbox, but unfortunately it's incompatible with the current version of Enigmail, so I haven't switched.

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough Don't know Postbox

@Brent.Longborough I suspect a lot of people will be worried

Brent.Longborough

18:57

@JosephWright postbox-inc.com

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough Yes, found it: looks a bit like Mac mail, no?

Paulo Cereda

OK gentlemen, here's the plan: we need a bird name. Then we will write our own mail client. :)

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright I don't know Mac Mail. In the last analysis, there's only ~one way to do email...

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough I'd imagine the Linux community will be the most worried, as they need something open source

@Brent.Longborough Does it handle reply-above and plain text properly?

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright Many years ago, when I used OS/2, there was a lovely email client called PmMail. Later it was ported to Windows 95, but after that never really kept up. I think it stopped working @ Vista

Joseph Wright

19:01

@Brent.Longborough Another one I don't know :-)

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright I believe so, though I haven't exercised it fully, to avoid forward-and-back migration problems.

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough Only used OS/2 briefly

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright Last update on the website is six years ago

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough Saw that :-)

@Brent.Longborough The problem is that 'real' mail clients do seem to be an endangered species: Outlook for 'serious' businesses, webmail for the rest of us :-(

@Brent.Longborough Pegasus Mail is still about :-)

5 rep points to go to the cap: that would be two days in a row!

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright Yes. OK, I'm an old fogey, but I just can't see how webmail alone is a good idea.

Joseph Wright

19:05

@Brent.Longborough No, I don't like it at all

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright Oh, yes, nice, but weird.

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough My first e-mail client, so I'd regard it as 'not so bad'

Brent.Longborough

The font is much too small on a modern screen

For those of us who 'peer' rather than 'look'

Is Eudora still around?

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough I'm quite annoyed that at work we can no longer SSH to the mail server and use Pine

@Brent.Longborough Nope

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright Hrnrn, not sure I'd like that...

Paulo Cereda

19:07

@JosephWright Oh no.

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough Always useful as a backup

@Brent.Longborough During my PhD SSH + Pine was the standard mail method, so I'm quite comfortable with it

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright Well, my backup for that situation is (a) webmail; (b) go down the pub

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough The Eudora people handed over to Mozilla

@Brent.Longborough The problem is that Webmail relies on IMAP, while direct SSH only needs the core server to be working

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright Ay que me duele...

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough Or at least it used to: my place has moved to Exchange with IMAP turned off

Brent.Longborough

19:10

@JosephWright Yes, even today I only use POP -- I always thought, in my grumpy old way, that IMAP was a non-solution in search of a non-problem. The main benefit was that, being more complicated, it's slower, and gives you more time to think

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough No POP either at work

@Brent.Longborough Problem with POP is that you can't use more than one PC

Paulo Cereda

Best thing would be IMAP.

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright That's (almost) very true. I have a strange setup with TB on two machines, but I only use the laptop when I'm away from home, and there's a regular file sync every night. So far, I haven't shot myself in the foot, but it's at the limit of operability

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough I used to have something similar set up at home

Brent.Longborough

@PauloCereda Sorry, no, hate it.

Joseph Wright

19:13

@Brent.Longborough Have to support rest of family :-)

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright LOL. Me too - but they all use pure webmail, thank goodness.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda As I said, no IMAP/POP/SMTP on the work server, so use DavMail (which uses the Outlook webmail API behind the scenes)

@Brent.Longborough Here, webmail definitely the backup option: much too complex for family

Brent.Longborough

@JosephWright It's amazing as one starts discovering family members' internal conceptual models of what's going on.

My Mum, bless her, who's just turned ninety, thought that the lady in the satnav was actually looking at us an telling us where to go.

Joseph Wright

@Brent.Longborough :-)

tohecz

19:28

@JosephWright If I feel my comment discussion with someone is obsolate, should I delete my comments and flag the others so that I delete them?

how to use this code for front matter page numbering? \pagenumbering{xroman} seems not working. Also i tried \setcounter{page}{3} in the front matter codes, it shows still like "iii". — KOF 2 days ago

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Fine

egreg

20:09

@DavidCarlisle Does anybody know where I can download the last version of Firefox for PDP10?

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mhelvens

Good evening! So here's the problem: a document class loads graphicx with the draft option. A package I need then loads it without any options (but with a minimum date specified). So I get an option-clash error. I tried \PassOptionsToPackage{draft}{graphicx} but it didn't help any. So... what to do?

Joseph Wright

@mhelvens If the package needs graphicx with no options at all you are somewhat stuck

@mhelvens Example?

egreg

@mhelvens The class is doing a very bad thing.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Also true

mhelvens

@JosephWright I don't think the package cares if the draft option is added. In this case I need to use the document class elsarticle @egreg: I specified the draft option myself, and it is probably passing it on to graphicx. The package in question is standalone.sty, which (via multiple includes) loads graphicx without options.

egreg

20:16

@mhelvens \RequirePackage[draft]{graphicx}[YYYY/MM/DD] before \documentclass

mhelvens

@egreg Bingo! Though now I'm getting a similar option clash for another package. Let me check...

pgfcore.sty loads the package with no options. I'm now getting the error from there.

Is there like a package version incompatibility in the mix?

To be clear: it's still a clash of graphicx options. This time the draft option is clashing with how tikz->pgf->pgfcore loads it.

egreg

@mhelvens My copy of elsarticle.cls says simply \RequirePackage{graphicx} (no option).

@mhelvens Can you give a small example triggering the error?

mhelvens

@egreg Yes indeed. Still, when I remove the [draft] documentclass option, the error goes away.

I'll write a M(n)WE

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Hm. Tricky. It may very well be my own fault somehow. I'm loading loads of packages. This may take a minute.

Paulo Cereda

20:44

!!/eightball Should @egreg update his OS? :)

Uh-oh. Bot not working.

@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: it is certain.

Done. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda After all the work I did to implement LuaTeX on the PDP10? No way. :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh! :)

egreg

@PauloCereda It's quite fast: less than four minutes for a page.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg No way! You optimized the code, didn't you?

egreg

@PauloCereda Oh, yes! The version without optimization produces five pages a day. :P

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Paulo Cereda

20:48

@egreg LOL

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Q: XeLaTeX - terminal output too verbose

Is it possible to reduce the amount of information you get from running: xelatex texfile.tex The oh so long output: This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-0.9998 (TeX Live 2012/Debian) restricted \write18 enabled. entering extended mode (/home/petr/Dropbox/School/R/3/document.tex LaTeX2e <2...

xetex ubuntu latexmk

A job for arara? :P

BTW, should I consider colour output for arara? :)

kan

Hi friends! I need some suggestions! I am planning to understand Mathematical French. I was suggested to come up with a list of a few hundred words and a few tens of common constructions by reading something I am already familiar with and using dictionary. Any suggestions on how to typeset what I come up with? Some pointers would be very helpful.

egreg

@PauloCereda One of the biggest problem is in finding enough tapes.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Let's use duct tape. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Duck tape!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Quack!

@kan Do you have a sample page of a document?

I mean, which contains the text you want to understand.

kan

20:52

@PauloCereda Here we go: archive.numdam.org/ARCHIVE/SHC/SHC_1950-1951__3_/…

Paulo Cereda

@kan Cool!

kan

@PauloCereda I'll have to come up with something like this: math.umn.edu/~kwlan/documents/french-glossary.pdf

(But the author explicitly put up a note on his webpage saying "Please don't ask for the source".)

Paulo Cereda

@kan: I don't know French, but the text doesn't seem complicated (perhaps due to the similarity of some constructions in Portuguese and French). Maybe if you get a few keywords from the text first (together with the math symbols), then filling out the blanks.

egreg

@kan The more you read, the more easily you understand. However French has some pitfalls (aka false friends) for English speakers. I have an advantage with French, because it's closely related to Italian and we have less false friends.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg The same with Portuguese. :)

kan

20:58

@PauloCereda Sure thing; I am doing exactly. But, I was asking how will I typeset the words I learn, something like what ~kwlan has on his page?

egreg

@kan I bought a book when I went to Romania, a Romanian translation of a book by Šafarevič; I can read it almost without problems.

Paulo Cereda

@kan How about a description environment?

@egreg I had a terrible experience when reading one of Saramago's book. It took me a lot of time to digest some constructs in European Portuguese. :)

kan

@PauloCereda Wouldn't it be a lot easier if I just add the words as I proceed while some code will organise the stuff? (just thinking out loud, please let me know in case you have some pointers).

@egreg Is it Algebraic Geometry? :)

egreg

@kan No, a survey book. Let me check the title.

Alan Munn

@kan It seems that you might want to use the glossaries package.

egreg

21:05

@Kan Fundamental concepts of algebra (in English).

kan

Hmm, I am also looking at the TeX showcase we organised on this site... that looks promising too. :)

@AlanMunn Thank you for the suggestion.

I cannot procrastinate as usual on this one! I need to get this done in less than a week!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg has an account in GitHub, but I won't reveal more details. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda It's happily empty. :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :)

kan

@PauloCereda Is that a hint for me == like he has something on his repo that might help me?

Paulo Cereda

21:10

@kan Actually no. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda The book begins with "cuvînt înainte", which appears unscrutable; but you later often find the locution "în alte cuvînte" and it becomes clear that "cuvînt" is "word". So that is "the word before", "prefation". :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh! :)

egreg

@PauloCereda It's similar to solving a puzzle. Of course, knowing the topic makes it easier to solve.

kan

Reading the mathematical content in another language is not hard for me; but I am doing this more as an exercise to understand the language.

Paulo Cereda

@kan If you are aiming at the language, perhaps that's not the best kind of document to read IMHO.

kan

21:16

(For instance, I have read the one I linked to sometime ago, first from Isaacs and then from Serre...)

@PauloCereda Hmm, sadly I should agree but I just have no time to enroll for language classes, nor someone who'd advise me about what I should pick up and read.

egreg

@kan "Le Petit Prince", of course. :)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg A masterpiece. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda I've never read the original, but I believe its French is not very difficult.

kan

@egreg Let me google...

egreg

@kan ebooksgratuits.com/html/st_exupery_le_petit_prince.html

kan

21:22

@egreg Thank you so much... :)

egreg

@kan It has also the pictures, which are very important for the story.

kan

@egreg and I see some triple integrals! So, must read. :)

Joseph Wright

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Q: What is the name of the bibfile when an extension is given in \bibliography?

When using bibtex, one supplies a command like \bibliography{test} in the document to indicate the use of a bibfile test.bib, and the extension is omitted. However, it is natural for a user also to supply an extension, as in \bibliography{test.bib}. In this case, there is a difference between t...

bibtex latexmk

Anyone got any idea what to say on this?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: youtube.com/watch?v=voQddcbjg88

egreg

@JosephWright Only that using extensions in the argument of \bibliography is not supported

Paulo Cereda

21:27

It's so beautiful to recite Je vous salue Marie.

:)

egreg

@JosephWright I left a comment

I believe that the safest method is for latexmk to issue a warning (or an error) if the argument to \bibfile in the .aux file appears to have an extension. — egreg 24 secs ago

Joseph Wright

@egreg Well quite: that's the syntax that LaTeX defines

Paulo Cereda

The pitfalls of an automatic solution. :)

The human factor.

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