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12:02 AM
Do you still know his chinese variant of “garbage collector”?
 
Oct 18 at 14:58, by Jasper Loy
@ガベージコレクタ I still recognize you even though you changed your name Garbage Collector!
 
@TorbjørnT. Ha, nice catch!
 
@Speravir Just searched the chat for garbage, it was quite high in the list of results.
 
@TorbjørnT. Oh, this I didn’t try! Searching only for the older nicks.
 
 
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user19161
4:09 AM
@Speravir That is not Chinese but Japanese man!
 
@JasperLoy Oops, sorry! And thanks, Jasper or what ever else ;-), for the hint!
 
user19161
@Speravir Anyway, can you actually distinguish between Chinese and Japanese characters?
 
@JasperLoy Nope!
 
user19161
Many of them are very similar, but if the passage is long enough, one can tell the difference.
 
user19161
But Korean is more different, so that one should be easier.
 
4:16 AM
@JasperLoy I’m not familiar with these, but I remember, I’ve seen some texts, where I guessed right.
Bye for now.
 
4:46 AM
@DavidCarlisle correct, that is me. We were hoping to have finished the first version by October but I had some health problems.
@JasperLoy actually, Japanese and Chinese share a section of the unicode plane, so individual characters cannot always be distinguished. The main difference is that Japanese uses another set of characters for its grammar, Hiragana, which are easily identified by being only a few strokes with a lot of curvature. Those characters are used to “glue” words together in Japanese sentences
@Speravir oops, that msg was for you I think
 
5:07 AM
@Speravir When I don't know a word, I always look it up at dict.cc/?s=revamp
 
 
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6:57 AM
Is there any clear sign a macro expansion text in a log file has ended?
\size@update ->\baselineskip \f@baselineskip \relax \baselineskip \f@linespread
\baselineskip \normalbaselineskip \baselineskip \setbox \strutbox \hbox {\vrul
e \@height .7\baselineskip \@depth .3\baselineskip \@width \z@ }\let \size@upda
te \relax
{\baselineskip}
In the above example, I'd like to read the text from \size@update -> until \relax.
Also, will TeX ever output more than two lines in a situation like this?
{into \box23=
\vbox(548.5+0.0)x390.0, glue set 505.11273fil []}
\showboxxy doesn't seem to influence it.
 
user19161
7:34 AM
@StephanLehmke Your photo is one of the most handsome ones on TeX, Stephan!
 
user19161
@Speravir Nah, such things should not be done for user privacy. Anyway, I think it is a she and not a he, but that is just a guess.
 
!!/ texdef \@chapter
 
user19161
@Werner This problem is SE wide. People write part of the question in the title and part in the body. But actually, the body should be self contained and the title a concise yet descriptive summary of it.
 
10:45 AM
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Q: I can’t see the Greek characters using ADOBE reader

AlekosFerYour help will be appreciated for the following problem: I have a tool which converts IBM I (AS400) spool file to PDF. The file has been copied to Windows environment. On generated PDF I can’t see the Greek characters using ADOBE reader v10.1.4. If I use Notepad to display the file, I can see...

Off topic?
 
@JosephWright 'fraid so.
 
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Q: how to include latex preview

AlexI have seen that some users include a preview of how the latex code will be rendered. Are they just including a picture they have compiled and uploaded, or is there a way to do this automatically on this site?

Must have come up several times: anyone find the definitive question?
 
 
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12:12 PM
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Q: XeLaTeX - terminal output too verbose

Petr MarekIs it possible to reduce the amount of information you get from running: xelatex texfile.tex The oh so long output: This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-0.9998 (TeX Live 2012/Debian) restricted \write18 enabled. entering extended mode (/home/petr/Dropbox/School/R/3/document.tex LaTeX2e <2...

Terminal output redirection?
 
12:28 PM
Hi all! Quick question: is there a test I can perform to know whether or not I'm inside a superscript? Or is 'superscript' not a special 'mode' in TeX?
Perhaps I can test for current font size...
But can I make something like that robust? Perhaps some people just like a smaller font.
 
@mhelvens You need \mathchoice :-(
@mhelvens This came up recently on the main site, I think
 
@JosephWright As a matter of fact, I just found it. :-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/87939/…
Why a frownie face? It's a less than ideal solution?
 
@mhelvens Start using \mathchoice and you'll see
 
I will. Thanks.
Hm... Four explicit math modes. TeX is too complex. (It rhymes so it must be true.)
 
@mhelvens It doesn't actually rhyme, I'm afraid: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/17502/…
 
12:39 PM
@TorbjørnT. Yeah, I knew it as soon as I said it. It's like "loch", right?
:-)
 
@mhelvens Yep.
 
Roses are red.
My name is Dave.
This poem makes no sense.
Microwave.
6
 
:-D
Purple Monkey Dishwasher
 
Did you steal yours? I stole mine, but I can't for the life of me remember where from.
 
12:45 PM
@mhelvens That poem was from a tattoo, I guess. :)
 
Well, it's beautiful.
Look at this beauty:
\let\asterisk*
\mathlig{*}{{\mathchoice{\times}{\times}{\asterisk}{\asterisk}}}
I bet @JosephWright never would have helped me with \mathchoice if he knew I would abuse it like this. ;-)
 
 
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2:34 PM
@egreg: mom is preparing tortellini for tomorrow's night. :)
 
@PauloCereda Good job!
 
@egreg I'll try to take a picture. :)
But it won't be al sugo. :)
 
2:47 PM
@egreg: actually, it will be al sugo, but not al brodo. :)
 
3:22 PM
Hello people!
I downloaded and installed "TeX Live" and "TeXStudio".
But in TL's folder, I can't find an executable file to run or install.
Any ideas?
@PauloCereda But ... Your name is not Dave!
 
@Gigili Poetry.
 
@PauloCereda Wrong/irrelevant information!
 
@Gigili Hm?
 
@Gigili What operating system?
 
user19161
4:12 PM
@PauloCereda Your mum is always making pasta!
 
@PauloCereda Our "tortellini" team has prepared 1400 of them before Christmas; at an average of 30 per person (which fill a big cup), it makes for more than 45 portions. :)
 
@Gigili You don't get one executable, you get several of them, in a directory which is named depending on the OS you use
@Gigili For example, on my Mac the binaries are inside /usr/local/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-darwin
 
4:40 PM
@PauloCereda Never mind.
@egreg Windows 7.
@JosephWright You mean in that .zip folder? "install-tl.zip"
Or I am doing something wrong?
 
@Gigili No, that's the installer
 
I followed the instruction in a blog which was recommended here on main.
 
@Gigili Inside the .zip is a batch file for Windows installation
@Gigili You need to unzip the .zip, then run the file install-tl.bat
 
@JosephWright Great, let me do that. Thanks, you're very helpful and you always answer my questions.
 
@Gigili Oh, that's a problem; I only use real operating systems. ;-) The path for the binaries is %SystemDrive%\texlive\2012\bin\win32
 
user19161
4:46 PM
@Gigili Yes, I am very unhelpful because I always fail to give you the answers you need.
 
@Gigili But you must have installed TeX Live
 
user19161
@JosephWright Though she said above that she installed it already.
 
@egreg I thought Windows was a real OS.
@egreg I have, or at least I think I have.
 
@Gigili Long-running 'joke'
 
@JasperLoy When someone is really helpful, that doesn't mean other people are the opposite!
 
user19161
4:48 PM
Real men use paper and pencil, not computers.
 
@JosephWright I thought Germans didn't like jokes!
 
user19161
@Gigili Happy New Year! I hope you find your Mario soon!
 
@JasperLoy Thanks, to you too.
 
user19161
@PauloCereda What a lovely poem!
 
@Gigili @egreg hasn't got on to such modern OS yet, he still uses a PDP10
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4:57 PM
OK, there is no "install-tl.bat" whatsoever in that folder.
@DavidCarlisle I should have guessed!
 
user19161
@Gigili OK, let me try to help you. You have not installed it but merely downloaded the folder for installation right?
 
@JosephWright: I think you were missing two \def in tex.stackexchange.com/questions/88598/…. I edited it but since I don't use plain TeX \def often, please review in case there was a reason for not including them.
 
@PeterGrill Well spotted: was all of course tested only in my mind
 
@JasperLoy Right.
@JosephWright Yes.
 
5:01 PM
@Gigili Let me check the current version is not broken: 2 mins!
 
@JosephWright Thanks for checking. Was going to ask you to change them, but it was difficult to describe which lines so thought just changing them was easier..
 
@DavidCarlisle He'll most likely set a new Guinness world record. (using the oldest OS for over seven 9000 years)
@JosephWright Thanks a lot.
 
user19161
@Gigili Obviously you need to unzip it first, in case you have not.
 
@Gigili Just downloaded the zip from TUG, install-tl.bat is there.
 
@JasperLoy I don't need to but I did a few minutes ago when @Joseph told me so.
 
5:02 PM
@TorbjørnT. @Gigili Same here, from my local mirror
 
@TorbjørnT. This one: " install-tl.zip for Windows (24mb)"?
 
@Gigili Yep, that one.
 
@Gigili Could be a dodgy file from an out-of-date mirror, I guess
 
Umm, OK. I will download it again.
Thank you.
 
@Gigili Could you screenshot what you have in the unzipped folder, so we can see what you do have?
 
5:03 PM
Sure, wait a minute please.
 
@Gigili Batch file is there
 
@Gigili Its the one called install-tl, that is a "Windows batch file"
 
@Gigili Second entry called install-tl, with the cog-like icon
 
user19161
@Gigili Look under type and you see Windows Batch File! You might want to use install-tl-advanced.
 
What? Which one?
 
user19161
5:06 PM
@Gigili The ones that have blue.
 
I did click on that one and it opened cmd then nothing happened
 
user19161
@Gigili Only cmd and nothing else?
 
@Gigili Do you get any text in the Command window?
 
@Gigili You've hidden the file extensions, so the .tl-part is not show. If you would like to show them, there is a checkbox in the folder settings. See windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/…
 
And an error afterwards saying "Perl.exe has stopped working"
 
5:08 PM
@Gigili Ah, that one
 
user19161
Ah, it requires perl!
 
@Gigili As suggested, try the install-tl-advanced version
@JasperLoy On Windows, the installer comes with a minimal Perl set up
 
@TorbjørnT. Great, thank you.
 
@Gigili This is a known issue, which no-one really understands!
 
@JosephWright Yes, sorry. I will try the other one now.
 
5:10 PM
@Gigili Not a problem: there is a known issue that sometimes the 'standard' installer fails, but it's not clear why
 
user19161
I have not touched Windows for 9000 years, so all this is just from memory.
 
@JasperLoy Ah well, luckily I have :-)
 
user19161
@JosephWright You use everything I remember!
 
user19161
@JosephWright Why did you change to the duck? I miss seeing you!
 
@JasperLoy Things do change a little over time
@JasperLoy There were some less-than-positive comments about my previous picture from people at work: Which picture is best? The one where you are furthest from the camera!
 
user19161
5:13 PM
@JosephWright They are just jealous!
 
@JasperLoy Perhaps
@JasperLoy The duck is quite fun :-)
 
user19161
@Gigili Is the installation running now?
 
It is.
 
user19161
Best to install everything.
 
OK, thanks.
 
5:44 PM
@TorbjørnT. suggesting that the answer is to read the manual, it'll never catch on:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle No, I guess not. (Good for me though, I've gotten a lot of points from quoting manuals.)
 
Pah, this will take a decade to install.
Thank you @JosephWright, @egreg, @TorbjørnT. and @JasperLoy for your time.
 
@DavidCarlisle Soon Mountain Lion. :)
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@tohecz: Hi Tom! :)
 
6:14 PM
@Gigili No problem
@PauloCereda I have to say I've seen very little difference in the Snow Leopard -> Lion -> Mountain Lion sequence
 
@JosephWright I've used Leopard in the beginning, and Snow Leopard had some good additions. When I finally got my ML, I must say I was impressed, the OS is more polished. Maybe because I use gestures a lot. :)
 
@PauloCereda The one I use the most is the "why the hell is my cursor moving the wrong way" gesture. !@#$%
 
@AlanMunn :-)
 
@AlanMunn :) It never happened to me. :)
@Alan: I have a trackpad in the left, my keyboard in the center and my mouse in the right side. Gestures are performed with the left hand, while cursor stuff is done with the mouse in my right hand. :)
By the way, do you guys use Apple Mail?
I'm more familiar with Thunderbird.
 
@PauloCereda Same here
 
6:24 PM
@PauloCereda I never use a mouse, since I'm almost always working on my laptop.
 
@PauloCereda Have tried it for about 2 minutes each time I've updated the OS, then thought 'no, TB is much better'
 
@PauloCereda 'ello!
 
@AlanMunn You'd love vim. <3
 
@PauloCereda I use Apple mail for wont of a better alternative. I used Eudora until it finally stopped working when Rosetta disappeared.
 
@PauloCereda I've just got a trackpad to back up my laptop
 
6:25 PM
How're you, @Paulo ?
 
@JosephWright I'm giving it a try, it's not that bad, but there's an airplane WOOOOOOSH sound that scares the living hell outta me.
 
@PauloCereda Work uses Exchange, so I also need to have DavMail running, but that's OK (works nicely)
 
@AlanMunn Ah. :)
 
@PauloCereda As a former emacs user vim is against my religion.
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@tohecz Fine, thanks. And you? :)
@AlanMunn boo!
 
6:26 PM
@PauloCereda No way to switch between plain text and HTML on-the-fly: killer for me
 
@JosephWright Exactly. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm okay, my cousin --- IT technician --- has cleaned my notebook fan, so I'm more than happy now ;)
 
@JosephWright: One cool thing is that Mail is integrated in the notification center. :)
 
@JosephWright There's a simple solution. No HTML mail. :)
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@AlanMunn Tell that to Apple Mail. :)
 
6:27 PM
@PauloCereda I'm still not really seeing the point of the notification business, and with the business at Mozilla don't see TB getting integration
@AlanMunn Doesn't help at work
 
@PauloCereda Apple? no way :p
 
@JosephWright I like it. :)
@JosephWright, @AlanMunn: I think gestures make more sense on a desktop, not on a laptop. :)
 
@PauloCereda I see
@PauloCereda The only desktops I use regularly are at work
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Q: Finding your own questions with unaccepted answers

MohanI can't find an easy way to review all the questions which I have asked which a) have at least one answer and which b) I have not accepted an answer for.

Does user:me hasaccepted:1 work for non-mods?
 
@PauloCereda I have mine set to use plain text only.
 
@AlanMunn Yes, quite doable but the problem is when an e-mail comes in that can't be read in plain text mode. I get a few of those at work.
 
6:38 PM
@AlanMunn Let me see my conf.
 
@JosephWright I don't seem to have that problem. There's a setting to match the mime type when replying automatically.
 
@AlanMunn The issue is usually when I get a mail with an HTML table in it. These end up unreadable in plain text, so I have to check in HTML mode to know what goes with what.
Also, I want something cross-platform so I have more-or-less the same setup at work as at home
 
The main thing I don't like about Apple mail is the search function, and the fact that you can't easily move from a message in the search results to that same message in the context of its thread. Nothing could beat Eudora's search.
 
@JosephWright Works for me.
 
@AlanMunn Never really used Eudora: before TB I used Pine, and before that Pegasus
@TorbjørnT. Cool: I'll post an answer, then
 
6:44 PM
@AlanMunn: ^
 
Right, that's what I have too.
 
@AlanMunn, @PauloCereda Perhaps I should take another look, then: you two seem very keen :-)
 
@JosephWright Not having used TB, I can't comment. I'm using Apple mail because it's free and will continue to be updated, and I haven't seen a better alternative. Not really my definition of 'keen' :)
 
@JosephWright Altough it's a nice app, I'm more inclined to TB. But since I'm now 100% Apple-powered, I'm going with Mail. :)
 
@AlanMunn Yes, the situation with Thunderbird is a bit worrying at the moment
@AlanMunn On the Mac, I don't need quite as many of the features of TB as I do on Windows (where I need Lightening, etc.)
 
6:48 PM
@JosephWright Also, I've been becoming increasingly unhappy with Firefox (although not yet enough to switch) and TB is related in some way, I think?
 
@AlanMunn Same rendering engine (back end): ultimately, TB is the mail code from Netscape, while FB is the browser code
 
@JosephWright Fortunately I can avoid Windows entirely.
 
@AlanMunn I'm not keen on the new-version-every-few-months business, I have to say
 
@AlanMunn FF and TB have different dev teams, but they share a lot of code (including version numbers).
 
@PauloCereda Both need the same core components
 
6:50 PM
@AlanMunn Although I think FF lost a lot of its flame, I still prefer it instead of Safari or (brrrrrr) Chrome.
 
@PauloCereda Well, TB soon won't have a dev team
 
@JosephWright No?
 
FF seems to be suffering from major feature bloat. The past couple of versions have been really slow. And I suspect there's a persistent memory leak. But I agree it's still superior to Safari and Big Brother ^H^H^H^H Chrome.
 
@AlanMunn The memory leak business has been around for ever
 
6:53 PM
@AlanMunn Trivia (and possibily a delicious treat for linguistics): you know how we call that "desease" in software development? :)
 
(I have 'canconfirm' on the Mozilla bug database, so do watch some of these things)
 
@PauloCereda Featuritis?
 
@AlanMunn OMG!
Personally, I prefer creeping featurism. :)
Never bet with a linguist. :)
 
@JosephWright I'm worried by the state of TB, too. I've even gone as far as installing Postbox, but unfortunately it's incompatible with the current version of Enigmail, so I haven't switched.
 
@Brent.Longborough Don't know Postbox
@Brent.Longborough I suspect a lot of people will be worried
 
6:57 PM
@JosephWright postbox-inc.com
 
@Brent.Longborough Yes, found it: looks a bit like Mac mail, no?
 
OK gentlemen, here's the plan: we need a bird name. Then we will write our own mail client. :)
 
@JosephWright I don't know Mac Mail. In the last analysis, there's only ~one way to do email...
 
@Brent.Longborough I'd imagine the Linux community will be the most worried, as they need something open source
@Brent.Longborough Does it handle reply-above and plain text properly?
 
@JosephWright Many years ago, when I used OS/2, there was a lovely email client called PmMail. Later it was ported to Windows 95, but after that never really kept up. I think it stopped working @ Vista
 
7:01 PM
@Brent.Longborough Another one I don't know :-)
 
@JosephWright I believe so, though I haven't exercised it fully, to avoid forward-and-back migration problems.
 
@Brent.Longborough Only used OS/2 briefly
 
@JosephWright Last update on the website is six years ago
 
@Brent.Longborough Saw that :-)
@Brent.Longborough The problem is that 'real' mail clients do seem to be an endangered species: Outlook for 'serious' businesses, webmail for the rest of us :-(
@Brent.Longborough Pegasus Mail is still about :-)
5 rep points to go to the cap: that would be two days in a row!
 
@JosephWright Yes. OK, I'm an old fogey, but I just can't see how webmail alone is a good idea.
 
7:05 PM
@Brent.Longborough No, I don't like it at all
 
@JosephWright Oh, yes, nice, but weird.
 
@Brent.Longborough My first e-mail client, so I'd regard it as 'not so bad'
 
The font is much too small on a modern screen
For those of us who 'peer' rather than 'look'
Is Eudora still around?
 
@Brent.Longborough I'm quite annoyed that at work we can no longer SSH to the mail server and use Pine
@Brent.Longborough Nope
 
@JosephWright Hrnrn, not sure I'd like that...
 
7:07 PM
@JosephWright Oh no.
 
@Brent.Longborough Always useful as a backup
@Brent.Longborough During my PhD SSH + Pine was the standard mail method, so I'm quite comfortable with it
 
@JosephWright Well, my backup for that situation is (a) webmail; (b) go down the pub
 
@Brent.Longborough The Eudora people handed over to Mozilla
@Brent.Longborough The problem is that Webmail relies on IMAP, while direct SSH only needs the core server to be working
 
@JosephWright Ay que me duele...
 
@Brent.Longborough Or at least it used to: my place has moved to Exchange with IMAP turned off
 
7:10 PM
@JosephWright Yes, even today I only use POP -- I always thought, in my grumpy old way, that IMAP was a non-solution in search of a non-problem. The main benefit was that, being more complicated, it's slower, and gives you more time to think
 
@Brent.Longborough No POP either at work
@Brent.Longborough Problem with POP is that you can't use more than one PC
 
Best thing would be IMAP.
 
@JosephWright That's (almost) very true. I have a strange setup with TB on two machines, but I only use the laptop when I'm away from home, and there's a regular file sync every night. So far, I haven't shot myself in the foot, but it's at the limit of operability
 
@Brent.Longborough I used to have something similar set up at home
 
@PauloCereda Sorry, no, hate it.
 
7:13 PM
@Brent.Longborough Have to support rest of family :-)
 
@JosephWright LOL. Me too - but they all use pure webmail, thank goodness.
 
@PauloCereda As I said, no IMAP/POP/SMTP on the work server, so use DavMail (which uses the Outlook webmail API behind the scenes)
@Brent.Longborough Here, webmail definitely the backup option: much too complex for family
 
@JosephWright It's amazing as one starts discovering family members' internal conceptual models of what's going on.
My Mum, bless her, who's just turned ninety, thought that the lady in the satnav was actually looking at us an telling us where to go.
 
@Brent.Longborough :-)
 
7:28 PM
@JosephWright If I feel my comment discussion with someone is obsolate, should I delete my comments and flag the others so that I delete them?
how to use this code for front matter page numbering? \pagenumbering{xroman} seems not working. Also i tried \setcounter{page}{3} in the front matter codes, it shows still like "iii". — KOF 2 days ago
 
@tohecz Fine
 
8:09 PM
@DavidCarlisle Does anybody know where I can download the last version of Firefox for PDP10?
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Good evening! So here's the problem: a document class loads graphicx with the draft option. A package I need then loads it without any options (but with a minimum date specified). So I get an option-clash error. I tried \PassOptionsToPackage{draft}{graphicx} but it didn't help any. So... what to do?
 
@mhelvens If the package needs graphicx with no options at all you are somewhat stuck
@mhelvens Example?
 
@mhelvens The class is doing a very bad thing.
 
@egreg Also true
 
@JosephWright I don't think the package cares if the draft option is added. In this case I need to use the document class elsarticle @egreg: I specified the draft option myself, and it is probably passing it on to graphicx. The package in question is standalone.sty, which (via multiple includes) loads graphicx without options.
 
8:16 PM
@mhelvens \RequirePackage[draft]{graphicx}[YYYY/MM/DD] before \documentclass
 
@egreg Bingo! Though now I'm getting a similar option clash for another package. Let me check...
pgfcore.sty loads the package with no options. I'm now getting the error from there.
Is there like a package version incompatibility in the mix?
To be clear: it's still a clash of graphicx options. This time the draft option is clashing with how tikz->pgf->pgfcore loads it.
 
@mhelvens My copy of elsarticle.cls says simply \RequirePackage{graphicx} (no option).
@mhelvens Can you give a small example triggering the error?
 
@egreg Yes indeed. Still, when I remove the [draft] documentclass option, the error goes away.
I'll write a M(n)WE
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Hm. Tricky. It may very well be my own fault somehow. I'm loading loads of packages. This may take a minute.
 
8:44 PM
!!/eightball Should @egreg update his OS? :)
Uh-oh. Bot not working.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: it is certain.
Done. :)
 
@PauloCereda After all the work I did to implement LuaTeX on the PDP10? No way. :)
 
@egreg ooh! :)
 
@PauloCereda It's quite fast: less than four minutes for a page.
 
@egreg No way! You optimized the code, didn't you?
 
@PauloCereda Oh, yes! The version without optimization produces five pages a day. :P
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8:48 PM
@egreg LOL
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Q: XeLaTeX - terminal output too verbose

Petr MarekIs it possible to reduce the amount of information you get from running: xelatex texfile.tex The oh so long output: This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-0.9998 (TeX Live 2012/Debian) restricted \write18 enabled. entering extended mode (/home/petr/Dropbox/School/R/3/document.tex LaTeX2e <2...

A job for arara? :P
BTW, should I consider colour output for arara? :)
 
kan
Hi friends! I need some suggestions! I am planning to understand Mathematical French. I was suggested to come up with a list of a few hundred words and a few tens of common constructions by reading something I am already familiar with and using dictionary. Any suggestions on how to typeset what I come up with? Some pointers would be very helpful.
 
@PauloCereda One of the biggest problem is in finding enough tapes.
 
@egreg Let's use duct tape. :)
 
@PauloCereda Duck tape!
 
@egreg Quack!
@kan Do you have a sample page of a document?
I mean, which contains the text you want to understand.
 
@kan Cool!
 
kan
@PauloCereda I'll have to come up with something like this: math.umn.edu/~kwlan/documents/french-glossary.pdf
(But the author explicitly put up a note on his webpage saying "Please don't ask for the source".)
 
@kan: I don't know French, but the text doesn't seem complicated (perhaps due to the similarity of some constructions in Portuguese and French). Maybe if you get a few keywords from the text first (together with the math symbols), then filling out the blanks.
 
@kan The more you read, the more easily you understand. However French has some pitfalls (aka false friends) for English speakers. I have an advantage with French, because it's closely related to Italian and we have less false friends.
 
@egreg The same with Portuguese. :)
 
kan
8:58 PM
@PauloCereda Sure thing; I am doing exactly. But, I was asking how will I typeset the words I learn, something like what ~kwlan has on his page?
 
@kan I bought a book when I went to Romania, a Romanian translation of a book by Šafarevič; I can read it almost without problems.
 
@kan How about a description environment?
@egreg I had a terrible experience when reading one of Saramago's book. It took me a lot of time to digest some constructs in European Portuguese. :)
 
kan
@PauloCereda Wouldn't it be a lot easier if I just add the words as I proceed while some code will organise the stuff? (just thinking out loud, please let me know in case you have some pointers).
@egreg Is it Algebraic Geometry? :)
 
@kan No, a survey book. Let me check the title.
 
@kan It seems that you might want to use the glossaries package.
 
9:05 PM
@Kan Fundamental concepts of algebra (in English).
 
kan
Hmm, I am also looking at the TeX showcase we organised on this site... that looks promising too. :)
@AlanMunn Thank you for the suggestion.
I cannot procrastinate as usual on this one! I need to get this done in less than a week!
 
@egreg has an account in GitHub, but I won't reveal more details. :)
 
@PauloCereda It's happily empty. :)
 
@egreg :)
 
kan
@PauloCereda Is that a hint for me == like he has something on his repo that might help me?
 
9:10 PM
@kan Actually no. :)
 
@PauloCereda The book begins with "cuvînt înainte", which appears unscrutable; but you later often find the locution "în alte cuvînte" and it becomes clear that "cuvînt" is "word". So that is "the word before", "prefation". :)
 
@egreg ooh! :)
 
@PauloCereda It's similar to solving a puzzle. Of course, knowing the topic makes it easier to solve.
 
kan
Reading the mathematical content in another language is not hard for me; but I am doing this more as an exercise to understand the language.
 
@kan If you are aiming at the language, perhaps that's not the best kind of document to read IMHO.
 
kan
9:16 PM
(For instance, I have read the one I linked to sometime ago, first from Isaacs and then from Serre...)
@PauloCereda Hmm, sadly I should agree but I just have no time to enroll for language classes, nor someone who'd advise me about what I should pick up and read.
 
@kan "Le Petit Prince", of course. :)
 
@egreg A masterpiece. :)
 
@PauloCereda I've never read the original, but I believe its French is not very difficult.
 
kan
@egreg Let me google...
 
kan
9:22 PM
@egreg Thank you so much... :)
 
@kan It has also the pictures, which are very important for the story.
 
kan
@egreg and I see some triple integrals! So, must read. :)
 
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Q: What is the name of the bibfile when an extension is given in \bibliography?

John CollinsWhen using bibtex, one supplies a command like \bibliography{test} in the document to indicate the use of a bibfile test.bib, and the extension is omitted. However, it is natural for a user also to supply an extension, as in \bibliography{test.bib}. In this case, there is a difference between t...

Anyone got any idea what to say on this?
 
@JosephWright Only that using extensions in the argument of \bibliography is not supported
 
9:27 PM
It's so beautiful to recite Je vous salue Marie.
:)
 
@JosephWright I left a comment
I believe that the safest method is for latexmk to issue a warning (or an error) if the argument to \bibfile in the .aux file appears to have an extension. — egreg 24 secs ago
 
@egreg Well quite: that's the syntax that LaTeX defines
 
The pitfalls of an automatic solution. :)
The human factor.
 
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