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Let's have some flashback about S04E04, When a white walker brings one of Craster's son to Night King. So, the scene goes like this, [WikiPedia] Later, a White Walker retrieves Craster's son. The Walker travels to the White Walkers' fortress in the Lands of Always Winter and lays the child o...

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Bael the Bard

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Q: Did David Benioff & D. B. Weiss just retcon the show's canon?

In the Inside the Episode of S08E01, the showrunners (David Benioff and D. B. Weiss) said: ... Yet Sam's older brother was not a bad person,... It's clear to anyone that Sam is the older brother. Why did they say this?

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Aegon

07:04

@djsmiley2k Eyrie should be important, Along with the Neck. It was really stupid to make the last stand at Winterfell. There are no natural defenses at Winterfell. Oh wait, they only had to kill one guy to get rid of the "Greatest threat" to mankind, right.

JAD

@Aegon I don't think the neck is too good. first of all, it's made for the other direction: attackers from the South. Second, the swamp probably doesn't deter wights as much as it does living things. Third, the idea is to rain arrows from the towers. Those didn't appear to be too effective against the wights to be honest. They run out and all that jazz.

Aegon

07:20

@JAD Sure it ain't Eyrie but it is better than Plains of the North. Of course I don't think they should have won there, we discussed it after 3rd ep.

I felt it would have been better to have them retreat to the South like Rohirrim to Helm's Deep, make their stand at the Neck

Get defeated, fall back

Only to find Cersei's army behind

Deal with Cersei

And then make the last stand in the King's Landing

Keeps the excitement and action up.

@JAD Now speaking of terrain, it's all marshes and swamps. Surely that'd hamper their movements. You're correct though that it ain't much use for stopping an army coming from the north though.

JAD

07:43

@Aegon it'll hamper their movement for sure. For the first layer of wights. The rest will walk over them :P

but they won't get sick, bitten by snakes, killed by the bogmen as easily

Aegon

07:56

Heh, the Trench all over again

Heroic dead men, giving up their er, death/life for their fellow dead

Napoleon Wilson

08:15

Makes quite some sense, though.

From the current standing probably still one of the better solutions. The White Walkers won't come back to freeze the Iron Throne anyway.

The Bronn thing is obvious bullshit, though.

Aegon

Think they just added it for giggles and stuff

TheLethalCarrot

That and just to get another character out of the way

Aegon

"Gib BrOn a CaStLe" is a big meme in fandom after all.

TheLethalCarrot

This season appears to be full of either killing everyone off or removing them out of the way

Aegon

A guy in this FB group thinks that Red priestess Kinvara or summat will resurrect Rhaegel and Viserion

That's why Euron looks afraid in the next episode's trailer

Idk what stage of grief that is. Still denial?

TheLethalCarrot

08:19

Denial yeah

Aegon

Or some mix of denial and bargaining?

TheLethalCarrot

Kinvara seems to have been added in for no point

Aegon

"Guys why would they introduce that woman if she is not meant to do something? And why would Euron look afraid? He didn't look afraid of Drogon on the Walls"

:D

Napoleon Wilson

People keep complaining about the effin' dragons while simultaneously complaing about the show getting stereotypical.

But...maybe they are subverting the whole drago crap and dragons just...aren't such a big thing, yo.

Aegon

Dragons had to die sure

But not at Cersei's hands

Napoleon Wilson

08:22

Dany and everyone else continously freak out about their dragons. But at the end of the day, they were deceived by the legends as much as every single Reddit complainer.

TheLethalCarrot

Rhaegal's death annoys me cos they had the perfect chance to kill him off against Viserion, in fact everyone thought he had died. Yet they kept him alive to die in such a poor way, the writing in that scene was terrible

Aegon

"Only one Dragon in recorded history has been brought down in the air by a projectile and it was a one in a million shot. A mature Dragon in the air is virtually invincible." - GRRM

So certainly not legends

That's why they should have dealt with Cersei first in the show

Rather than saving her as the final boss

Napoleon Wilson

Very much legends, GRRM's legends. ;-)

Aegon

And let The Night's King kill them dragons to sate their bloodlust

Napoleon Wilson

@Aegon Well, of course, noone gives a fuck about the Iron Throne. It's the White Walkers that ought to end the story. But...that train has left.

At least making one of the dragons evil was a nice idea. Although, I'm sure that's 100% against book cannon, too.

Aegon

08:25

The others can turn animals to their will in the books

But a Dragon, well nobody really knows but it seems inconsistent

If Dragonglass kills the others and breaks their magic

What would dragonfire do?

And if they somehow get one, it'd still be a dragon? Will it still breathe flames?

JAD

@Aegon "one in a million show" or three in a row, eh

@Aegon the blue flames were... visually satisfying. But it doesn't really make much sense

Aegon

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JAD

oh yeah

Aegon

^Courtesy of Carrot

@JAD And they actually said it was still fire.

Napoleon Wilson

@JAD Frankly, the colour of the flames is about the most useless thing to complain about (well, apart from Dothraki fighting tactics maybe). ;-) There's about 5 stupid questions wasted on if it's ice, fire, magic, skittles, or whatever crap. Like, dafuq wut, it's a zombie ice dragon.

TheLethalCarrot

08:32

@Aegon I shall star "my own" image :P

JAD

@NapoleonWilson well, you said it. > flames > ice dragon. What is it? Also, I wasn't complaining. Is even said it looked pretty. And it helped tell a bunch of dark dragons on a dark background apart

Napoleon Wilson

@JAD It's a magical wight dragon thing breathing magical blue fire. That's what it is.

Aegon

Why doesn't the fire burn him inside out and drive whatever evil spirit is possessing it, out of it?

The way it does for zombie men, horses and other animals?

TheLethalCarrot

@NapoleonWilson White Walker dragon apparently

Napoleon Wilson

@Aegon Because it's a magical creature with magical fire?

Aegon

08:38

@NapoleonWilson Does the magic persist when the creature dies?

Winters grew longer when the last Dragon died

Napoleon Wilson

Apparently so.

Aegon

Whatever their magic is seems to die with them if the last dragon of aegon III is any evidence

Napoleon Wilson

Or at least it gets new magic when its revived.

TheLethalCarrot

Aeg you need to try and not apply book logic, or any logic, to the show

Napoleon Wilson

Afterall, undead already need magic to be different from, well, plain dead.

If the flames were normal fire-coloured and he'd spew it on the rest of the undead army who stay unharmed, then we can start bringing physics into the matter. But if it's a friggin weird creature with its own weird blue flames, it makes absolutely no sense for it to take harm from these flames. But call it "jibberwoggles" if the word "flames" or "fire" is too reality-laden.

JAD

08:47

@Aegon No, I suppose that was caused by the magic leaving as the last dragon died. Given that magicians over the world noticed their magic strengthening as the dragons were reborn

Aegon

@JAD They bring/take magic with them. When they were gone, it disturbed the magical balance in the world and as pyromancers and others noted, their spells didn't work as books promised, maesters noticed that winters grew longer. When they came back, the reversal began at least for spells.

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Q: How did Daenerys manage to turn up at King's Landing

In Game of Thrones S8E4, Daenerys went to Dragonstone with her court and the Unsullied when... We see Tyrion and Varys have a discussion on Dragonstone. Some unspecified time later they turn up with Daenerys and some Unsullied at the gates of King's Landing. I am aware that Dragonstone is both...

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Aegon

Now whether they have magic inside them, or they just act as some sort of catalyst for magic, we don't really know

TheLethalCarrot

09:24

Sansa, Arya and Bran find out that they are the last of the Starks in this episode, because Jon is not actually Eddard Stark's son. He is a Targaryen, and his children would be Targaryens.

Sansa and Arya are women, so would take their husband's names and their children would not be called Stark. Bran doesn't consider himself to be Bran Stark anymore, having become the Three-Eyed Raven, and seems unlikely to have children.

Therefore there will not be another generation of Stark children, and the house will cease to exist. Eddard Stark's remaining children are the last of their name.

Seems like that one might annoy you a bit @Aegon

"Sansa and Arya are women, so would take their husband's names and their children would not be called Stark." This just simply isn't correct, woman in GoT do not always take their husbands name, see Cersei Lannister as one main prominent example. — TheLethalCarrot 53 secs ago

I left a comment for you

Napoleon Wilson

Still a nice answer. A little less bland than the accepted one.

Also seems the dude commenting before you said about the same thing.

TheLethalCarrot

The main part of the answer is completely wrong

A few people said it but no one added an example

Napoleon Wilson

Granted. Still an interesting take, though.

TheLethalCarrot

It can be as interesting as it likes, still doesn't change the fact that it simply isn't correct

Napoleon Wilson

Sure sure.

TheLethalCarrot

09:32

And this is the problem with the HNQ and people voting when they don't know enough

Wrong answers that look correct get lots of votes and then incorrect information gets passed around

Napoleon Wilson

@TheLethalCarrot Well, you and the 5 people commenting before and after you are trying to set it straight, though.

TheLethalCarrot

Aye, won't change anything now though

The answers got enough votes and is still in the HNQ that it will now stay with high votes

Napoleon Wilson

Sure.

Arya probably is as likely to run around as a Stark with little Stark babies as Bran is. But granted, Sansa seems like someone to keep her name.

TheLethalCarrot

Arya will undoubtedly not get married and have kids if she survives... at least showverse

Sansa would keep her name and pass it on to her children

And Bran is the 3ER so not a Stark anymore

The title probably has a few meanings, that they are the last remaining Starks but only Sansa is one that would carry the line on

Napoleon Wilson

Well, maybe it is singular afterall. ;-)

TheLethalCarrot

09:38

Well even the last of the Starks would only really refer to Sansa and Arya since Jon is a Snow/Targ and never a Stark and Bran is 3ER

I mean Arya probably meant it to refer to all 4 of them in universe though

Napoleon Wilson

Maybe it's an intentional double entendre based on the lack of plural adjectives in the English language, similar to The Last Jedi.

TheLethalCarrot

Potentially but that seems like too much effort for GoT this season

Napoleon Wilson

Well, it doesn't matter if D&D say "it's obviously plural, dude! Noone gives a crap about no title!", we're not bound to their reasoning when interpreting the show.

TheLethalCarrot

Well sure but in cases like that where they are explaining why they chose a title name then that is the actual answer... you can infer other things from it but it wouldn't be correct as in why did they name it as such

When it comes down to in universe questions things change more

Napoleon Wilson

Yes, I forgot it's a SciFi chatroom.

Though, it seems this room would be the first to acknowledge that D&D are just...full of it. ;-)

TheLethalCarrot

09:48

SFF chatroom or not if you're asking why it's titled as such the only correct answer is the official answer from whoever titled it. Sure we can make other reasons up that fit but they won't be the correct answer to the question

@NapoleonWilson Yeah when it comes to in universe questions I wouldn't touch their reasoning with a barge pole

I mean Dan calls wights zombies and Dany apparently forgot all about the Iron Fleet!

Napoleon Wilson

Your definition of "correct" is quite strict, though. But let's leave it at that, I guess.

TheLethalCarrot

Well I was using correct as in official there but on questions like the title episode name the official answer is the correct answer

Napoleon Wilson

If the question asks "why did the creators title it as such", yes.

TheLethalCarrot

I mean whilst you are correct, "why is the title named X?" is essentially "why did the creators name the title X?" without saying as such

But meh we won't agree on this haha

Napoleon Wilson

@TheLethalCarrot I guess that's where we differ.

TheLethalCarrot

09:54

Well I knew we differed on that point when we started this conversation haha

Don't get me wrong I do like coming up with other reasoning for these sorts of questions as I did above

Napoleon Wilson

Then at least let's just be glad the accept button isn't the undelete button. ;-)

TheLethalCarrot

Lol

Aegon

@TheLethalCarrot Meh left a link for hm if he wants to correct where he went wrong with examples.

Napoleon Wilson

See, I knew your comment wouldn't be the last one now. ;-)

Aegon

Well why does it have to be the last

11,999 people have already seen it

Napoleon Wilson

10:00

Oh, it doesn't. The question isn't titled "The Last of the Comments" afterall.

And at least the link adds something new and fruitful.

Aegon

Don't want the next 11,999 to run around with the vague ideas about matrilineal marriages/One tiny comment about Bael the Bard which doesn't present full picture imo

That's how "Right of conquest", "Law is the sword" bs started

Napoleon Wilson

But it's not like it was unexpected for the ASoIaF room to pile on with reiterations of that comment. ;-)

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Q: Before S08E05 what side are the major houses on?

Which of the 7 major houses or even minor ones are on each side of the upcoming conflict? From my understanding until now it should be: Starks + Arryns with Daenerys and I guess sort of Baratheon since in the last episode But I guess it doesn't really count since he doesn't have any actual h...

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djsmiley2k

10:59

Hmmmm

I see things happening. Dany will take the throne, Jon will have to kill her ala Jamie and the Mad King.

Jon will refuse the throne, Sanza takes it, with Arya as her hound.

War - It never changes.

Kepotx

@djsmiley2k better: gendry sit on the thrones

come back to baratheon on throne: war never changes

Aegon

See you were doing good til Jon murdering Dany

Then you took it too far with Sansa

But hey, maybe you were trying to think like D&D

Kepotx

sansa have ZERO claim for the iron throne

at least cersei was regent/mother queen

Aegon

Heh that's still more than Cersei's claim to Iron throne and Jon's to Winter Crown

Didn't stop them

Kepotx

but as aegon says, could be plausible with D&D

djsmiley2k

11:14

@Kepotx or that, yah

@Kepotx Does any king, really have a claim to the throne? :)

@Aegon oh yah I think the books will go entirely different way.

Still may all end up with a final line 'War, it never changes'.

cc. Fallout 2013

;D

Kepotx

@djsmiley2k of course, the first kings conquer the lands. but each king of seperate kingdoms had thousands year of lineage that give them a good claim

even for the iron throne, it has been centuries know, and even robert had a claim

not the best, as all descendents of Aerys were before him, but he was on line of succession

of couse, becoming a king by inheritence is questionable, but if you accept it, then all families in the begining of GoT/aSoIaF have good claims

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IIRC, the only god we've seen real evidence of is the Lord of Light. We see it when Beric comes back to life, and well as a couple times with Melisandre (birthing the shadow and bringing Jon Snow back). But, has there been any evidence of other gods throughout the series, or, is the Lord of Lig...

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Q: Is there a known justification for why D. B. Weiss was hired as showrunner for Game of Thrones?

Reading the Wikipedia entry for one of the showrunners of Game of Thrones, namely D. B. Weiss, one gets the impression of a struggling and weak writer whose projects got turned down one after another. From the Wikipedia article: Weiss worked as personal assistant on films such as The Viking S...

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Q: How did Varys know about Jon Snow's parentage?

In 8X04, Tyrion makes a remark regarding Lyanna Stark leaving Robert Baratheon that only somebody who knew about Jon Snow's true parentage in the first place, could have made a connection between the two. And Varys does, as evidenced when he immediately asks Tyrion "how many people know". So how...

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Q: Has everyone forgotten about wildfire?

Why haven't the defenders of Winterfell, in S8 of GOT, at least contemplated using wildfire to defend the castle (and humanity)? I just watched 8.2. The defenders of Winterfell have been armed with Dragonglass and Valyrian steel as much as possible. But no-one has brought up wildfire. Why? We k...

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Q: Scorpions and crossbows

Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 4 spoilers ahead. Those of you who have seen Episode 4 already must be very impressed at the capabilities of medieval projectile weapons like crossbow and scorpion. However, I can't stop wondering if these depictions are anywhere close to reality. The crossbow ...

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Q: Why is the Night's Watch so depleted at the start of ASOIAF?

At the start of AGOT, the total number of the Night's Watch is said to be less than a thousand. During Aegon's conquest, the watch numbered ten thousand. (I don't have a copy of the books with me so I can't give a quote). Out of the nineteen castles on the wall, only three are manned. Castle blac...

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