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TheLethalCarrot

08:16

@Aegon Got it and downloaded, not played yet though

Kepotx

08:30

will you play with ASOIAF mod or try vanilla first?

TheLethalCarrot

09:03

Don't know, it'll likely be a while before I get round to playing it anyway

Aegon

09:34

@TheLethalCarrot Nice. Whenever you get around, You should try vanilla first to learn the ropes. After that, get the AGOT mod.

Kepotx

Ireland is a good place to start, as it's lot of small count/dukes. You can become king of Ireland pretty soon, the next step being the unification of Britannia

the old gods bookmarks have also interesting start, either as a viking if you like raids, or carolingian ruler if you like succession lines and coughing sliding staircases coughing

Aegon

10:02

@Kepotx Its Noob Island only in 1066 start though. Before that, the Tribal rulers are harder to handle

But eh, he wouldn't get start dates earlier than 1066 with just the base game

Kepotx

the bookmarks can be change in files, so i suppose he can start with charlemagne and old gods bookmarks, but he just can't play pagans

you can even start earlier, even if there are less and less rulers, so in lika AD1 you have the pope, the roman empire and shatered word

and i don't know if it's still the case but back in the days, you just had to change a boolean in a file to play muslim

TheLethalCarrot

10:42

@Aegon Aye that was my plan when I get round to it

Though currently I'm finally playing through the Half Life 2 episodes, then I have ACO to complete and Far Cry 5 at some point. All the while playing some CSGO, Fortnite and PUBG in between

And I have a lot more on my backlog than that lot haha

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Bael the Bard

11:56

Q: Who does Arya Stark mean when she says, someone has already told her that she is too smart for her own good?

In season 2, episode 7 of Game of Thrones, Tywin Lannister asks Arya: "You're too smart for your own good, has anyone told you that?" She smiles sligthly and says "Yes". It makes me feel like she's referring to something specific, but I can't remember. Does anyone know who first told Arya that ...

game-of-thrones

Bael the Bard

12:13

Q: Where do small folks surnames come from?

So, we know nobles get their surnames from their house (Stark, Greyjoy, etc), which could include commoners with names from fallen houses (eg Brown Ben Plumm) We know acknowledged bastards get a regional surname (Snow, Waters, Flowers, etc). We know that subsequent offspring of acknowledged ...

a-song-of-ice-and-fire

Kepotx

i don't think it's a duplicate, this question ask how did janos choose the name "Slynt" and allar the name "Deem "

TheLethalCarrot

Well it's asking if commoners have surnames but uses those as an example of their thought process.

Kepotx

the question would be "how do you choose the name of your new house"

janos ain't smallfolk anymore

TheLethalCarrot

No, I think that's been asked before though

I'll have a look

JAD

I think there are more examples of surnames that are not nobles

TheLethalCarrot

12:21

Probably but the chosen ones are nobels

JAD

One example that comes to mind is Jeyne Poole. I don't think the Pooles were nobles, but it's not obvious what the name is based on either

Kepotx

hot pie?

TheLethalCarrot

I'll have a look

JAD

Pie as surname is quite obvious, as he's a baker

also, mfw my 2 liner harry potter answer almost has 60 upvotes on M&TV

Kepotx

asearchoficeandfire.com/?q=slynt&scope%5B%5D=agot

seems right, janos was a Slynt before being noble

TheLethalCarrot

12:29

Though was he a Slynt before being high up in the Goldcloaks

Likely because he was commander of the City Watch when we meet him so he's already made a name, not sure

Kepotx

but was it a nickname or a surname?

TheLethalCarrot

Could be either

It isn't spelled out for us

Kepotx

and a high officier is not really small folk, but not noble, so nobles are not the only one to get surnames

TheLethalCarrot

Speculation seems to suggest a middle class using surnames and it could even be that names are custom not law like with bastard names

Paul

Bastard names are also custom, not law. At least, GRRM said, “Custom decreed” several times when explaining bastard names.

TheLethalCarrot

12:43

That's what I said

Welcome to TQAT anyway to all 3 of you (being lazy :P)

JAD

@Kepotx in a world where there is no explicit register of citizens, is there truly a difference?

TheLethalCarrot

Not really

Kepotx

and in lot of cultures, lot of surname came from nickname

JAD

and I guess that especially in the towns, it makes sense that there is the need for more than just first names

So a Winterfell, King's Landing, etc

Kepotx

we couldspeculate that it's the same in planetos, where nickname and surname have the same function : distinguish jon the butcher from jon the baker

TheLethalCarrot

12:46

Side note Poole is a noble house

Paul

I’ll revise my question shortly, though, it hadn’t occurred to me to consider these folks as middle class

TheLethalCarrot

Well I think that might be an answer

Though speculation rather than anything concrete

I've just posted one but I'm not entirely happy with it

Kepotx

as I see: random small folks, no need for second name, particular/middle class folk : nicname/surname, but not necessary hereditary (Tom Sevenstrings, maybe Janos Slynt before being noble), noble: surname is the House name

TheLethalCarrot

Seems like a good conclusion but it's not clear if this is intentional, maybe I'll tweet E&L

I may have rambled a bit in my answer, if so let me know where I can be clearer :)

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TheLethalCarrot

20:58

Finally won my first game of Fortnite, solo too

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