The Quill and Tankard

Möoz

03:50

@amflare Oh you think consecutive visits is your ally? I was born in it... Molded by it

amflare

05:07

@Möoz thats not even a month more... I was expecting to be impressed.

Edlothiad

07:19

@the this is the second post I'd said I'd bounty due to insufficient attention, but it has since reached significant attention. If you can find a worthy post, I'll slap another 50 bounty on it

Edlothiad

07:39

scifi.stackexchange.com/q/172558/68872 forgot to link it

Edlothiad

10:18

yawn

Edlothiad

12:50

@Aeg I'm falling asleep here, say something funny

Aegon

@Edlothiad Something funny

Edlothiad

incorrect reading of grammar, not funny

Aegon

13:09

Try this then, not funny but can be used to kill time

reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7b4aip/…

Apparently, Hodor is Lord Dustin in disguise

Rather flimsy, but amusing nevertheless.

Edlothiad

13:26

That was an interesting read

Not the best though

Aegon

Irrelevant, but what do you guys think about Aemon's three tests?

We know about two for sure

When he was a man and when he was an old man

What about the first one?

When he was a boy?

I think it was when his father summoned him to be a part of small council but he chose to serve as a Maester at his brother's keep

Asoiaf university doesn't think that way asoiafuniversity.tumblr.com/post/120149593255/…

Edlothiad

What were the three tests?

Ah Bobby B!

Aegon

Maester Aemon sighed. “Have you heard nothing I’ve told you, Jon? Do you think you are the first?” He shook his ancient head, a gesture weary beyond words. “Three times the gods saw fit to test my vows. Once when I was a boy, once in the fullness of my manhood, and once when I had grown old.”

These three tests

He told about the last one to Jon himself

Mormont told Jon about the second

The first one, I like to think it was revealed in TWOIAF

But many people think that it is not it

Some suspect TV show was on to something with that story about how he met a girl

Edlothiad

Yeah I don't think that Grand Maester one is really a test of his vows, but I see how you may think that it was a test of his respect to his father or something along those lines

Aegon

Tumblr is a weird place asoiafuniversity.tumblr.com/post/167173723627/…

I think that the writer forgot to mention that the Ghiscari are actually credited with being the first empire and first civilization

The only thing that helped Valyrians was dragons

If not for Dragons, Ghiscaris could have won

Besides Dany's mother Civilization was slaver at heart just like the Ghiscari

TLDR, Ghiscari weren't by any means inferior to the Valyrians. Well any non-Draconic means. The Essosi have their own civilizations and cultures.

Edlothiad

13:43

I don't go to tumblr, it's messed up

> themselfs

gg

Aegon

Neither do I. Google however routinely adds some tumblr blog or whatever they are in the suggestions when searching for asoiaf stuff

Edlothiad

what did that have to do with ghiscari though?

Aegon

14:02

@Edlothiad Because apparently some people think that Dany on her anti-Slavery mission is an extension of White-Savior trope

And the POC are uncivilized backward savages

Edlothiad

@Aegon And your argument is that it isn't because... oh okay cuz the ghiscari were just as powerful

I think that the Valyrians were simply the elves of planetos, they made more beautiful things and the dragons made them op

Aegon

@Edlothiad No my argument is, that POC aren't uncivilized savages in the books

Edlothiad

Although Tolkien is just purely WST

Aegon

In fact, it's just as the real world. Essos and Westeros both have their own cultures and accomplishments

And both think of each other as queer and barbaric

So it doesn't appear to be a White-Savior trope to me

That trope usually shows POC as such

You know oppressed, dumb, barbaric and unable to do anything for themselves

Edlothiad

Ye no, I strongly disagree. The Dothraki do seem particularly barbaric, and the Dornish more so than the first men, but say the Summer Islanders seem "civilsed"

Aegon

14:09

@Edlothiad Dothraki are savages but they aren't the only POC there

And how are the Dornish Barbaric?

They built the most exotic and majestic cities on their river

And gave the super-power Valyria a real fight

Then they went into exile and made the desert bloom

Not to mention, the entire art of working Steel is their largest contribution to mankind

Firstmen on the other hand rose from obscure origins, their halls and cities were insignificant, lacked great power, didn't even know how to work steel.

And not to mention, you are ignoring the accomplishments of Ghis of old

And of course, Yi ti and Asshai

Qartheen idk what to make of them tho. They are described as Milk colored but all their customs and stuff seem to remind me more of Persia and Mid-East

Edlothiad

@Aegon More so* not necessarily Barbaric, just less "royal court" amongst the royals than the other southron lords (I didn't mean the first men), but most of that opinion is from Oberyn and the show.

@Aegon Hmm that was the Rhoynar, I was talking about the Dornish (inb4 Dornish = Rhoynar)

Wait you misunderstood my "Strongly disagree" as disagreeing with you, when I meant agreeing with you and disagreeing with people claiming all the POCs are barbaric

Which is why I intentionally ignored Yi ti, Asshai, Ghis of old, the Rhoynar, etc. as I was only listing possible fringe cases that may have given people that idea.

Aegon

@Edlothiad Yeah I was gonna yell Dornish = Rhoynar now. Well mostly.

@Edlothiad Oh right. I thought you were saying that ASOIAF follows the same trope.

Edlothiad

@Aegon Hmm I don't fully agree with that. I will concede that they have heavily adopted the Rhoynish culture, but I would bet that the blood is pretty even

Aegon

@Edlothiad Not really, it is clearly stated that the Dornish people with most of Andal and Firstmen ancestry are the Stone Dornish who are a minority clearly

Reason why I think they are a minority:

1. It's 1/3

Edlothiad

14:24

@Aegon Hmm maybe I missed that, the bit I just read made it sound like Nymeria only really settles at Sunspear or wherever the Dornish were before, and settled into that house but not much really

Aegon

2. They live in the high passes of Red Mountains. That kind of terrain never has a lot of population

Edlothiad

I also thought Nymeria lost most of her 10000 ships on route so wouldn't have had that many people with her

Aegon

She lost many ships but the bulk was burnt by her own command

When she reached Dorne that is

Edlothiad

But I'm saying the other 2/3rds aren't 100% rhoynar, they'd be like 50%

Aegon

And the Rhoynar blood is the strongest in Dorne.

@Edlothiad Nobody is 100% anything

Edlothiad

14:26

@Aegon The Mountain Clans?

I don't they have much of the Andal blood in them

Aegon

@Edlothiad With Stolen Andal women, not 100% first men

Edlothiad

(the ones in the North that is)

Aegon

@Edlothiad Oh those

I thought mountain of the Moon

Edlothiad

Oh no, aren't the north ones called the Mountain Clans as well?

The Wyls, etc

The Thenns are probably 100% whatever they are, some disturbed version of First Men?

Aegon

There are clearly marriage ties between them and proper Northern Houses. Eddard's Grandma was a clanswoman

Edlothiad

14:27

But yeah, I obviously meant 100% as a figure of speech not literally

Aegon

Hence why no one is 100% anything

If someone conducted a DNA test

They would probably find Summer Islander, Ibbenese, Volantene and Pentoshi ancestry for Dany

Er, probably won't

Blood of teh dragon pure hurrr

Edlothiad

Lol, little bit of the Rhoynar there

Aegon

Yeah Daeron's wife

Edlothiad

Maybe Aeg the I was almost 100% Valyrian

Aegon

Could be as long as none of them took Colonist brides from the daughters

Aegon I's mum was a Velaryon

Who knows their family tree

Edlothiad

14:32

Oh ya forgot about that

Aegon

Velaryons are still Valyrians but there is always the marriages with colonists

Edlothiad

They're mostly Valyrian then, hence why it was ok to sexy time with them

Aegon

Who are mixed

Volantenes colonists still have the apartheid IIRC unlike other free cities

Pure blood in, Foreigners out

So Volantenese are probably still more or less Valyrian.

amflare

@Edlothiad The problem with this question is that before I can post an answer, I have to scroll down past @TheLethalCarrot's wall of text (and sword pictures) first.

Edlothiad

@amflare :D

Either way can't bounty that one, need him to find one he deems didn't get the attention it deserves

Edlothiad

14:56

Good man @amf I approve of that rejection!

amflare

15:10

4

Q: What crimes (other than being involved with dark wizards) are Azkaban-worthy?

Of all the people we know, in the books, who were sent to Azkaban, the majority are Death Eaters (Dolohov, Lucius, Crouch Jr, Bellatrix and so on) or suspected to be involved with them (Sirius, Stan, et cetera). They were imprisoned for using the Unforgivable Curses, as well as for being accompli...

harry-potter

I thought about writing an answer to that

the hnq calls my name

but meh... too much work to list them all and provide quote

Edlothiad

Pfft, bellatrix is about to wake up, no point

> The interesting thing about these two events is that we're talking about thousands of people. There's no way they were all killed or captured, but they haven't played a major role in the books yet. Both events happened around the same area in the Riverlands. There is possibly a large force of Northmen still hanging around in the Riverlands who were betrayed by Roose. They also might be collaborating with the Brotherhood Without Banners.
Aegon is invading from the South, which is going to draw Randyll Tarly's army south. Jamie got captured by Stoneheart, and half the Riverlands is openly r…

THE NORTH WILL RISE AGAIN!

Aegon

And won't that be disappointing

Edlothiad

I want the North to rise again! Starks 4 lyf

The North is where all those kissed by fire are

Aegon

Few nits to pick tho.

There is possibly a large force of Northmen still hanging around in the Riverlands who were betrayed by Roose. ??? What force is that?

The rearguards?

Edlothiad

That's covered in the first paragraph, he means the ones who may have run away and escaped the slaughter, as the chance that every single one died or was captured is small

Aegon

15:17

I am coming tot hat

We are talking about the Mountain

Edlothiad

By "Large Force" I think he means less than a thousand though

but large for rebels

Aegon

He is a beast, he cares naught for ransom or such and he needs no labour

So anyone who didn't run is dead

And anyone who ran is now a broken man in all probability

His cause is dead

His King is dead

Why should he carry on fighting?

Edlothiad

Ye but Lady Stoneheart showing up, getting them together

C'est possible

Let a man dream!

Aegon

As much as people like to believe it, Small folks don't care about Starks

They would much rather go back to their homes.

Instead of fighting some more

That too, for a lost cause

Edlothiad

But they're stuck in the river lands

Watch, this gonna be some aragorn level shizz from LSH

Aegon

15:25

So they are, and what do you reckon is their ticket back home? Lay low? Or join a band of bandits especially with war's end nigh? That's one sure way to get hanged

Edlothiad

Lay low and starve to death, or join LSH and her mighty band of misfits

Aegon

Well such are the wages of the vanquished

Such men always resort to robbing stuff from people anyways

amflare

17:50

Yay. I accidently got myself temp ip-banned for exceeding rate limits :/

Apparently SO doesn't like it when you ping their server roughly 500 times per second

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